Why Steyn City is not the answer for Joburg
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Why Steyn City is not the answer for Joburg

2015-03-13 12:58

Cape Town – The benefits of developing a multi-billion rand estate won't be sufficient in addressing socio-economic issues facing millions of people living in a fragment and ruptured society, scholars and researchers said in reaction to the launch of Steyn City in Johannesburg.

The estate, which was developed with former president Nelson Mandela’s blessing, is set to go on market on Saturday with freehold stands starting at over R2m and fully designed houses going for R17m.

Former SA Planning Institute (Sapi) president Yusuf Patel told Fin24 that while the investment was excellent for the city, he was concerned about its impact on the spatial fabric of the city.

Ignoring the corridors of freedom

Speaking in his personal capacity, Patel said he was concerned that policies around Johannesburg’s “corridors of freedom” and its urban core were being ignored in favour of large private projects, which didn’t engage with the bigger picture of solving the city’s fragmented past.

“When these sorts of developments take place in isolation from the bigger special plans of the city, then they do become … a bit of a challenge,” said Patel, who is the former deputy director-general in the department of co-operative governance.

Patel said that Johannesburg was focused on spatial transformation. He quoted mayor Mpho Parks Tau as saying that the city had drawn up policies to “re-stitch the spatial fabric” of the city and aimed to get more development in the urban core, while overcoming spatial inequalities of the past.

“We know the city is committed to that, but for whatever reason they have approved this development,” he said. “We need to understand what the base has been upon which such a development has been approved.

“There is the issue … that it attracts investment… and the developers have probably committed to developing a lot of the infrastructure.”

Listen to the full interview with Patel:


How is Steyn City re-stitching the city?

“It does become a challenge when we can’t see how such developments are integrated in the much broader spatial fabric of the city and how is it trying to contribute to re-stitching the city.

“These developments just cater for a high-income category individuals [and] they do tend to create isolated places of residence,” he said. “It is going counter to the kind of character we’re trying to establish and the kind of city we’re trying to establish.

“We’re trying to build a more integrated and inclusive city, [so] it does become a challenge when these sorts of developments are done in isolation and when they don’t integrate different income groups.

“There are … societal costs attached to creating these developments. Even though the developers are creating and contributing to some of the infrastructure, at the end of the day there are certain socio-economic costs attached to it, in terms of spatial fragmentation."


Definitive spatial master plan needed

With that level of investment, he asked if we could have created the development in a more integrated way... perhaps closer to the urban core?

“What kind of cities do we want to live in going forward? Do we want to live in cities that are going to perpetuate this kind of fragmentation or do we want to live in cities that are more integrated, where there is more public space and … an overall better city life for everyone?

“If Gauteng as a province doesn’t come up with a definitive spatial master plan for the city and how we want to see our cities work and function, I think you’re going to tend to get these sort of isolated developments that are linked to specific land opportunities … that makes sense for private developers.

“The logic of what gets installed in that space tends to be driven entirely by the private developers’ logic, rather than a more integrated logic that looks at the city-making concept that ensures that whatever is being developed will work within a more organised spatial restructuring that the city’s after.

Patel questioned how developments like Steyn City and Modderfontein would link up into the corridors of freedom to enable a city with a better flow and public transportation, mobility and connectivity. 

A visual tour of Steyn City:
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Affordable housing is needed more than luxury estates

Patel said the issues around Steyn City affected the biggest challenge facing Johannesburg, affordable housing.

Affordable housing, he said, was not only a social issue, but economically it had huge potential for the city. “You can start to create all sorts of interesting mixed-development opportunities and catalysing local economic development in a much more interesting way.

“If these development are only catering for the high-end market, you tend you see the shops there … begins to cater to a particular segment.

“We know the biggest need in South Africa is around affordable housing.

“With many people in communities living in informal housing [with] inadequate shelter and with that sort of need in place, how does a development like this accommodate affordable housing?

Persistent inequality contributes to high levels of crime

International research tended to show that persistent inequality contributed to high levels of crime and violence, according to Gareth Newham, head of governance, crime and justice division at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS).

“For example, a recent HSRC seminar highlighted that ‘internationally, persistent inequality, rather than poverty per se, is increasingly regarded as a major correlate of various social ills’ (Kaufmann D, Kraay A, & M., 2010; Wilkinson R & Pickett K, 2010),” he said via email.

“In South Africa, this is particularly the case in respect of social unrest and violent crime. For example, the escalating service delivery protests (particularly in urban informal settlements) have been attributed to, among other things, stark socio-economic inequalities between different sections of the population and between different geographical areas (Alexander, 2010)."

Commenting on a claim that Steyn City had created over 11 000 jobs in the low-income community of Diepsloot and Cosmo City, ISS crime hub manager Lizette Lancaster said that in order to make any claims that urban developments such as Steyn City resulted in an overall positive impact on the poor, it would be necessary to undertake a thorough socio-economic impact assessment.

“Typically developments that are not specifically aiming at uplifting the poor, seldom do,” she said via email.

Watch the official tour of Steyn City:

Low levels of social cohesion

“Diepsloot probably has some of the lowest levels of social cohesion in the country,” said Lancaster.

"[That is] because this township was formed through very rapid urbanisation by people from different parts of the country and Africa.”

“It means that cultural strangers ended up as neighbours,” she said. “Therefore, traditional forms of neighbourhood organisation found in the older townships do not exist at the level required to curb many forms of social disorder.

“Increasing feelings of social and economic marginalisation could have negative consequences over time, unless there are overall improvements in services such as early-childhood development, education, employment and other forms of social assistance and government service delivery.  

Daily exposure to inequality

“In essence, Steyn City may have some benefits for some members of the poorer communities, but this development may also contribute to marginalised communities’ daily exposure to inequality (seeing how those with greater access to material wealth live),” she said.

“Moreover, if the jobs are menial then, while there may be temporary positive benefits to those individuals who  receive opportunities to work or gain skills, these individuals still need to go home to their shacks and RDP houses.

“Here, they will continue to face challenges such as poor sanitation, drinking water and electricity,” said Lancaster.  “In addition, there will be no prospect for their families to improve their overall material conditions so as to move to a better serviced area.

“However, their proximity and awareness of excessive inequality may be heightened along with the feelings of helplessness and anger that this can cause."

Steyn City as model for others to follow is questionable

The head of the Steyn City’s skills centre, Bafana Mokwena, said at the media launch that their strategy to uplift low-income communities should be created as a model for others to follow around Africa.

Lancaster responded to this claim, saying that “given its location, Steyn City would make for a good case study on the impact of urban development in areas of structural inequality.  

“Until we see the methodologies and results of independent impact studies on the surrounding poorer communities, we could not  assume that there are overall benefits for these communities or make comment as to whether this is a worthwhile model for other African contexts. The research to date seems to suggest otherwise.”

Lancaster said that recent research from Mexico demonstrated that job creation alone would not necessarily reduce crime and social instability unless it was accompanied at the very least by improved education and a decrease in inequality.

“Temporary menial labour may benefit households in the short term and may lead to some degree of up-skilling,” she said.

“However, as such jobs do not guarantee permanent employment, instability can occur if the jobs end and people find themselves once again unemployed.”

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Comments
  • Fafrican - 2015-03-13 13:20

    No such thing as bad publicity ....

      Gary Guy - 2015-03-13 13:49

      Yes Peter...agreed. To answer the question posed in the article "Do we want to live in cities that are going to perpetuate this kind of fragmentation or do we want to live in cities that are more integrated". I'd like the fragmented option please with pockets or security and excellence.

      Shelley Pembroke - 2015-03-13 14:27

      I'm pretty sure we have the right to safety, and if the government can't provide it, and Steyn can, then yeah, we're going to use our hard-earned money to get in there.

      Helen Jackson - 2015-03-14 17:33

      Why are some people insisting on having the right to go anywhere they please. They even jump the palisade around private properties to take a shortcut to wherever it is they think they are entitled to go.

  • Danie Smith - 2015-03-13 13:32

    Rather go stay there Andru.

  • Stefan Roets - 2015-03-13 13:36

    Let's not kid ourselves - Steyn City is a massive exercise of self-gratification for Mr Steyn. he clearly intends for it to be his legacy so that his name will never be forgotten which is why he is adamant on using the horrible "Steyn City". Geez, even Douw's Place would've sounded better.

      Joe Coetzee - 2015-03-13 14:00

      Ostentatious cr@p. Why is this news. Seen headlines for weeks.

      Barend Hayden - 2015-03-13 15:15

      Even if i had 17mil I will never spend that on a house is gauteng. Never!!!

  • Rowan Torr - 2015-03-13 13:37

    Opulence for the few is a slap on the face for others.

      Juanroux Greyling - 2015-03-13 13:59

      Then we fall back into communism. whats the point of working harder and smarter for your money if you have to share your profits with the lazy and the corrupt? You will reap what you sow. Atleast this Steyn City created proper jobs.....while delivering a proper product....unlike any parastatal in our country.

      Ashanzi Afrika - 2015-03-13 14:13

      It is your right to have what you can afford. There will always be rich and poor in this world, and the rich already contribute towards the poor by virtue of the taxes they pay in relation to the poor. Not a popular concept, but equality is an unrealistic expectation.

      Peter Storbeck - 2015-03-13 16:24

      Another failed communist (which begs the question has there ever been a successful one.

  • Danny Cohen - 2015-03-13 13:37

    Steyn City = Private money. Imagine what the government could have done with the Bullion's wasted on contractors and cadre pocket lining.

      Justin Pretorius - 2015-03-13 14:16

      They would have made fire pools mandatory for cadres lol

  • Dave Mantle - 2015-03-13 13:38

    I think people need look at the bigger development in that area. There is a huge commercial park been developed opposite Steyn City with a business incubation hub that is about to open

  • John Loveland - 2015-03-13 13:41

    Its not Steyn intention nor responsibility to develop low cost housing.... thats the states responsibility, despite their failure with the use of billions of rands. What has Mr Patel in his personal capacity to "re-stitch" society?

      Justin Pretorius - 2015-03-13 14:17

      He did zilch..stitching will never occur as long as the regime needs masses of unemployed for voting

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 09:11

      You are right it isn't Steyn's job to create low cost housing, but it also isn't his job to potentially create infrastructure burdens for the state, to provide transport and accommodation for labour for his development. In any case, he has the political cover for his development, so this is a moot point.

  • William Steven Pearson - 2015-03-13 13:43

    Well then develop something Patel!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if the ANC built a sand castle we would be in the right direction!!!! You guys moan like grannies but do F all.

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 09:19

      Governments around the world do spatial planning and zoning Otherwise the burden of building housing and transport for the working class who get jobs in these areas would fall on the taxpayer. Not to mention the knock on effects of these developments on other areas. In this case, it seems, the ANC is in bed, and we know it doesn't care about the taxpayer, so it is up to people like Patel to raise the alarm.

  • Juanroux Greyling - 2015-03-13 13:52

    Its not the private sector's job to ensure socio economic goals are reached. The problem is, as soon as the people who are responsible for socio-economic levels do not do their job, through corruption and theft, then the public will start living in a means to themselves as they feel that their tax money that is suppose to be their contribution to the country's problems, are being wasted. Why waste more money on trying to solve a problem that was suppose to be solved by the government. It is not my responsibility to help every single homeless person (even though i would have if I could have) but that is exactly why I pay tax: to pay for people with skills to implement policies that stimulate economic growth leading to more jobs. Thus less homeless people. Douw Steyn can do with his money as he likes...and anyone that badmouths him does not have a clue on how the world works. Then I can go to anyone with a luxury vehicle and tell him that the purchase of his luxury vehicle is not very socio-economically responsible. What a load of drivel. If I work hard for my money (not through easy tenders) then I can do with my money what I please. My taxes should address the socio-economic problems faced by the country. You cannot save/help everyone.

      Juanroux Greyling - 2015-03-13 13:55

      one last thing - People tend to forget that the building of Steyn City actually led to more jobs being created.....thus Douw Steyn is creating more jobs than our ol' President Mr Zuma. People need to use their brains. C'mon its not that hard. Think before you speak

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 09:07

      The government needs to provide a regulatory framework for development. This is the case around the world. The problem with far-flung developments for the rich is that the workers who need to support these developments need to either get transport, or move closer to work. In both cases it creates infrastructure burdens for the state, and therefore the taxpayers. So doing "what one pleases" with one's money can create negative external effects. Also, richer, more educated people living nearer to others provide other types of cohesion-they are more involved civically, and this leads to improved services. But such concepts don't work in a country like this one. Good luck to Steyn In creating his city.

  • Kevin Jones - 2015-03-13 13:58

    What a well written article. Let me summarise. "It's not fair that some people can afford to live in an area without crime." "I want a house there too but cant afford it.".

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 09:42

      No, urban planning is something that goes back thousands of years, to the Indus Valley Civilisation. To glibly dismiss concerns about the impact of Steyn City on the urban fabric of Gauteng as "jealousy" is intellectually bankrupt and lazy.

      Mc Apple - 2015-03-17 12:05

      @Delfin Williams106: Then wouldn't you say government needs to up its game?

  • Sisie Indola - 2015-03-13 14:10

    So if Steyn City is not the answer then neither is Waterfall Estates. And if Douw Steyn wants to this luxury estate as a legacy to himself he is very welcome to. Its his money after all. I didn't see the same sort of nonsense on Waterfall Estates in Midrand.

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 09:25

      Waterfall Estates is on an existing growth corridor between Sandton and Midrand (and Pretoria) with improving transport links including the Gautrain. It has its problems, but it is also filling in an empty piece of land between two heavily developed areas, rather than extending the sprawl to a less developed area with poorer infrastructure.

  • Merlin Walowitz - 2015-03-13 14:12

    Brilliant concept. Currently disadvantaged people that is empowering them self through knowledge and foresight to isolate them from crime. Human nature is to protect himself and his family. Unfortunately this is not a reality in this country due to crime that cannot be contained due to failed leadership and the vain ideology to integrate cultures. Steyn realised this and delivered. I hope other private developers will follow in his footsteps.

      karen.r.tannahill - 2015-03-13 15:33

      But this "protection" is not for the average person. It is for the rich top percentage of people who can afford 2million for a stand!!!! You are deluded to speak of them as disadvantaged. The problem in this country is that the rich keep getting richer and the poor poorer - regardless of colour, and just think what could be done for all the people of this country, not just the rich with this sort of money. I think Mr Steyn owes this country more than this meglamaia

      FaceRealFacts - 2015-03-13 16:06

      @Karen I tried to state my comment as diplomatically as possible but I see you misunderstood it. By "Currently disadvantaged" I refer to the population group who do not benefit from the current structures in place under this government i.e BEE and AA. I refer to people with knowledge that are being pushed out of their jobs to be replaced by people based on their skin colour at the expense of progression in this country. This tendency comes from your government with its vain ideologies that is placed above all, instead of the important things like crime prevention to name one, and this is causing all services, what is left of it, to erode away. The reference is not to rich people. Your non ability to comprehend basic text astonishes me...

      Peter Storbeck - 2015-03-13 16:22

      Well said face on both counts.

      Peter Clark - 2015-03-13 22:11

      Douw steyn made quite a bit of money in SA through his insurance companies but is making a lot more with his insurance company and comparison website in the UK called compare.com its good that he is reinvesting the money in Sa where its badly needed. I agree with you. Face

  • Justin Pretorius - 2015-03-13 14:15

    Even Zuma does not live with the "people". He has a huge mansion and a nice fire pool! Time to stop the ideology and ask why people with money would want to live in a place like this. If you want "integration" then the following must occur: 1. Education system must be overhauled and excellence must be rewarded and mediocrity ridiculed 2. Stop punishing businesses for employing people 3. Drop BEE 4. Stop corruption 5. Stop paying people to sit at home and have babies 6. Privatise liabilities such as Eskom, Transnet and SAA Imagine what Nigeria would be like if they had what we have or even Kenya?

      Wullie Mack - 2015-03-30 20:57

      And the R700 billion that has gone missing in the last 21y ..2 cars per minister,2 homes per minister,,,think of what we could have in this country with this money,,

  • Jacky Van Laack - 2015-03-13 14:34

    It is private investors,putting their money where their mouths are.No taxpayers money to pay of corrupt officials.Performance the only bases.How does the government think they will attract private investment for their ideal city,when the cities they manage now are unable to provide peace ,security and good schools.Millions of taxpayers money disappears yearly in the black holes of deficieny.So private cities are the result of underperformance in the public departments across the board

  • Etienne Rossouw - 2015-03-13 14:42

    I think it's more a question of how Douw approached this whole thing, riding on Madiba's name, I again say Madiba did not envision a walled city on 855 hectares of land for the super rich, next Douw would probably quote the book of revelations, where the New Jerusalem will have walls around it, the rest would live in the Boondocks outside, I again say he could have built a new hospital with well trained staff & put his name to it, that's a legacy not a city that will scar the already fragile state of affairs we find ourselves in already.

  • Romeo Dickason - 2015-03-13 14:44

    Bwahahahaha!! I don't think you'd find the words 'socio-economic' anywhere in their business plan, mission statement or any other Steyn City document. This is what R6 billion can do in the private sector vs the same amount in the hands of government officials. Imagine what Steyn City would've looked like if it was 'developed' by government with the same amount of money... So get over it!

  • Peter Clark - 2015-03-13 14:55

    This is an ideal opportunity to create employment. At the present moment SA is struggling with a high unemployment rate. If you take an average of approximately 30 people working on each house and approximately 300 houses are built by different companies that is 9000 people in employment. There is also indirect employment that will happen also with this project. If its marketed overseas then there will also be foreign investment coming in. Another huge incentive to invest in this project.

      Justin Pretorius - 2015-03-13 15:10

      I concur. I would like to see the numbers of jobs created by most regime projects

      Peter Clark - 2015-03-13 20:02

      Depending on the size of the houses they might need a minimum of 5 bricklayers, then they have the labourers, then tilers , then roofers, then plumbers and electricians then the plasterers.etc it all adds up.

  • Gerhard van Niekerk - 2015-03-13 15:44

    Us thieves? You racist idiot go check statistics.

  • Etienne Holder - 2015-03-13 16:05

    Hell, it's their money to spend as they wish.....stupid comments from jealous people

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 08:48

      It is mer complicated than that. The state has an important part to play in providing infrastructure and spatial planning. The fact that the ANC is too weak (to put it charitably) to enforce its own policies, doesn't change this fact.

  • 8fe65ee1-89ce-43c8-a253-501f4c5c81d9 - 2015-03-13 17:07

    Spare me socialists who have this illusion that they can uplift the masses. History is littered with the failures. Steyn City and more of them is what we need aspiring to the highest common factor rather than the lowest common denominator of the socialists who never create anything with their own investment

  • Neels Minnaar - 2015-03-13 17:27

    What is he expecting, shacks on the fairways?

  • Ettiene Jacobs - 2015-03-13 17:32

    For those who can afford it well done to you, for those who can't something to aspire to. It a case of supply and demand. Our honorable president supplies the poor safety and security and Steyn City supplies the opposite. Not bad investing the money he has made in the UK in SA ! He has also invested in road infrastructure upgrades in the area and supplied a massive reservoir that services Diepsloot and surrounding areas. SA needs more entrepreneurs and less

  • Everton Bouwer - 2015-03-13 17:47

    How much,in terms of new taxes, will this exclusive estate benefit the City of Johannesburg?I certainly can't afford even the smallest plot at this estate,but I don't begrudge those who can.Why should I?The issue of integrated communities is a thorny one and tough to implement at that.Why would a billionaire pay to live in the same suburb as blue collar folk?Call the man/woman whatever you like,he/she pays their taxes and can choose to stay wherever they can afford to.That's the way it is.You can try forcing the issue and allow low cost housing to be erected near,or even on their premises,but I can guarentee you that soon,if not immediately,the French Riviera,Soho and Fisher Island Miami will soon be receiving enquiries for the availability of their real estate.Also,remember,with the billionaire goes his billions.A double edged sword is what this is.

      Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 08:52

      There are other issues to consider, such as the lack of infrastructure in surrounding areas. Where will the workers for Steyn City live, and how will they get to work? Both factors create infrastructure questions that need answering. It goes beyond the rich, and towards those who service them.

      Everton Bouwer - 2015-03-15 10:15

      Delfin Williams,do we not pay taxes in order to address such issues?Is that not why our government has Minstries of Public Works,Human Settlements and Transport?I'm not rich,not by a long shot,but I do not expect those that are to fix all our countries' problems.I've seen coloured and black South Africans become millionaires post 1994.Does that responsibility fall on their shoulders as well,or are they exempt because they didn't have six figure bank accounts before 94?The fact that someone is willing to build such an estate in 2015 is a positive thing for SA.The way I see it is that there are still people willing to invest in this country and honestly,we need more of those around.They are the ones who open factories and create employment in the private sector that adds to the GDP at the end of the day.The government can only do so much.

  • kerrilee.nelbroncho - 2015-03-13 17:52

    Let the ANC take the 700 billion that they have stolen and then they can build the all inclusive developement of their dreams. If people want to live anyway and any where they want that is their right. If the streets were safe then estates would not be so popular.

  • Hauke Liefferink - 2015-03-13 21:11

    Steyn City looks amazing, creates employment and benefits the whole country. Well done!

  • Geraldo Paluzzi - 2015-03-13 21:13

    Don't knock private enterprise , creating jobs and opportunities!

  • Geraldo Paluzzi - 2015-03-13 21:13

    Don't knock private enterprise , creating jobs and opportunities!

  • Bryan Coulter - 2015-03-13 22:07

    Frankensteyn.

  • Craig De Villiers - 2015-03-13 23:09

    Nkandla asides, exactly how did the arms deal and World Cup soccer actually serve to stitch together this notion of spatial disintegration, help solve the problem of our fragmented past, etc ad nauseum. At least Steyn City helped pay for widening of William Nichol thus allowing at least 8 lanes for taxis including oncoming, fringes, pavements, emergency and turning lanes plus maybe a few more as yet uncontemplated.

  • Daniel Raviv - 2015-03-13 23:17

    before anyone complains, I can assure you there will be over 50% black ownership at the Stein estate. the y should make it self sufficient power and water .even Zuma will spend R100million for a house.

  • Joe Plonker - 2015-03-14 00:01

    Steyn City looks like an every day town in New Zealand.

  • Daniel de Faria - 2015-03-14 02:14

    Eish it's more than 12000ha but it's not a farm and he is a citizen....hmmm no tender either. People sound sour about how an investor wants to invest his own money that has already been taxed. What next?

  • Saul Letwaba - 2015-03-14 02:41

    I love you Mr D.Steyn spend ur money the way you like

  • Ashley Rainbird - 2015-03-14 03:44

    It's like the movie Elysium

  • Delfin Williams - 2015-03-14 08:44

    These sorts of developments are like "slash and burn" agriculture. Move out of an existing area, and go to a new one, leaving the problems behind. Forget infrastructure constraints, including a lack of public transport-all you need is good political connections and things like spatial planning and "urban growth boundaries" can be forgotten. So Patel is right, and he is wrong. In a functioning society such enclaves would not exist, but with a rotten, weak government these developments are to be expected.

  • Truth24 - 2015-03-14 11:10

    If I had the cash I would buy.

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2015-03-14 12:30

    Boy, with those prices we can ALL move there. NOT.

  • Jane Mead - 2015-03-14 12:56

    I work in the building industry and I would agree that affordable housing is needed, BUT your ordinary middle class also want to feel safe, which unfortunately is not a reality in SA, so who can blame people for wanting to be secured off. You can go on and on about the past, but this is the present where you should be.

  • Ashwin Mathoora - 2015-03-14 17:38

    True, well said

  • Ashwin Mathoora - 2015-03-14 17:38

    True, well said

  • Simon Roche - 2015-03-14 19:40

    On a scale of 9 - 10, how stupid is Mathew Le Cordeur? I sincerely hope that his next article implies that the discrete spending of private wealth is bad because when people buy Ferraris they are not addressing the historical imbalance in motor-vehicle ownership. What's more, bring up the matter of re-stitching the social fabric of Johannesburg is well-nigh imbecilic because anyone who has had much to do with the city over the past twenty years, even vicariously, is aware that the deplorable failure of the city is due to very poor municipal management and graft on a competitive scale, not to mention politically-motivated decisions. What kind of an article is this?

  • Bernhard Eigenhuis - 2015-03-15 17:58

    Iesh wena, Patel stop being so lekker jealous !! Don't worry, I cannot afford it as well !

      Martin Ward - 2015-03-16 07:21

      Ha ha - bang on Bernhard.

  • Chris van Rooyen - 2015-03-17 08:55

    This in essence is the difference between Cape Town and Jo'burg. Cape Town works hard to improve its society and with great success, and Jo'burg works hard at fortifying its society with equal success. The decision one is left with is - do you want to live in a free and open society, or do you want to live like Gary Guy, in a fortress. Sorry Jo'burg...but this is a short-term and myopic solution.

  • Johnathen Page - 2015-03-23 07:53

    All that I can say is that you have sour grapes because you cannot afford it. Work hard. Create Businesses and prosper.

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