World won't end because of e-tolls - Sanral
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World won't end because of e-tolls - Sanral

2013-12-02 13:14

Johannesburg - No irreparable harm will be caused if e-tolling begins on Tuesday, the High Court in Pretoria heard on Monday.

"When they go under the gantries tomorrow, the world is not going to end... they will just pay tolls," said David Unterhalter SC, for the SA National Roads Agency Limited.

He said there was no urgency for the application, and that it should be struck from the roll.

The Freedom Front Plus has made a last minute application to try and stop the implementation of e-tolling, which is due to start on Tuesday.

Jeremy Gauntlett SC, for Transport Minister Dipuo Peters, said the application was irregular.

He said information contained in the affidavit by the FF Plus suggested that the minister rigged the e-toll implementation date to December 3.

"It is a dangerous allegation... and an abuse," said Gauntlett, asking that the application be struck from the roll.

Comments
  • Patrick Buckley - 2013-12-02 13:17

    Oh yes it will. Your world will soon be coming to an end!!

      Kiss123 - 2013-12-02 13:26

      people are queuing up at Cresta to buy e tags WTF. ..and then there are those !

      Badger - 2013-12-02 13:40

      "When they go under the gantries tomorrow, the world is not going to end... they will just pay tolls," said David Unterhalter SC, for the SA National Roads Agency Limited.. You are right, the world won't end. However, YOUR CORRUPT organisation will burn to the ground. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

      Johan Uys - 2013-12-02 13:45

      "World won't end without e-tolls either".

      Gavin Venter - 2013-12-02 13:45

      unlike the chumps at Satanral, my salary isn't going to magically go up by the R400 e-tolls are going to cost me. I don't have a tax payer sponsored credit card to pay this bill and my bond didn't magically pay itself off. so you'll excuse me if I'M A BIT MAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Zuma, Nazi, Dipou and Sbu belong in deep, dark hole, where sunlight and air get mailed in.

      SaintBruce Bruce - 2013-12-02 13:46

      Tolling a Freeway is irregular. Calling a road to be tolled a Freeway is irregular & misleading not building alternative suitable roads is irregular lying repeatedly to the public is irregular Want irregular dear Unterhalter? The whole thing is irregular and I rule it OUT OF ORDER!

      WollieVerstege - 2013-12-02 13:47

      Simple sum: 2 000 000 cars @ say R100 per mont for e-tolls each MINIMUM = R200 000 000 removed from disposable income per month = R1.2 bn removed from disposable income per annum. And this has no effect on the economy ... Oi vey!

      Arno Gouws - 2013-12-02 13:49

      Everytime you go under a gantry, stick your hand out the window and flip it off. Ask for every picture

      Liana Loots - 2013-12-02 13:53

      you are predicting your own future SANRAL.

      Alan Smith - 2013-12-02 13:58

      Correct. The Earth will still rotate around the Sun, however the poor will be even hungrier and the ANC fat cats even fatter.

      Bheki Dladla - 2013-12-02 14:27

      Im still not getting that freaken e-tag and there is nothing anyone can do about it. There more we all refuse to be abused like this the better the chances of us winning in the end. NO TO E-TOLL

      George Wood - 2013-12-02 14:43

      Eastgate E-Tag Shop Watch NEWSFLASH ! Someone has just walked into the shop people....We might have a sale.....No wait.....No it's just the cleaner.....Again!!!!!

      James Smythe - 2013-12-02 14:43

      It is up to us, the road users of Gauteng to bring the world of SANRAL crashing down. Their arrogance is breathtaking and will be punished by us! Remember also the names of these craven money-grubbers who have represented SANRAL et al in various court actions against the people of this Province - and do whatever may present itself as an opportunity to demean and denigrate them also. They are greedy traitors to the people as are the judges who have been too cowardly to hear the cases previously brought for fear of their lucrative jobs and position. Consider your attitude towards those who will go along with and have gone along with this money-stealing plan of tolls, those who have bought an e-tag already. They too are traitors who have sold out to save a little money. How will you view them and treat them? Do not expect any help from the courts - the ANC has spent 19 years appointing their own comrades and cadres and intimidating the rest to make sure that the courts are their vassals and will almost always do their bidding - there is no justice, only law! If we stand together and show some civic courage in failing to comply with the demands of SANRAL we will destroy their scheme of plunder.

      Lynette Venter - 2013-12-02 14:54

      "When they go under the gantries tomorrow, the world is not going to end... they will just pay tolls," Uhmmm... no we won't.. Saying something a thousand times doesn't make it true. The truth is simple - WE WON'T PAY.. Skryf dit op jou magie en vee dit af met jou e-tag

      Joan Wassermann - 2013-12-02 15:13

      Please enlighten me. I pass thru 1 gantry get off at the next exit so how do they know what kilometres I drove

      Dave Ueckermann - 2013-12-02 15:24

      I would love to know if the SANRAL employees including Allie are going to pay their own toll bills or are they subsidised by us, the taxpayer

      Andre Jacobs - 2013-12-03 12:21

      They are just getting all suckers hooked on e-toll with a low starter maximum---next year it will be double and taxis will also pay more. These rich guys are out of pace with what is happening on the ground---but then if you earn 1,2 mil per year then R400 plus is peanuts.

  • Ridwan Halim - 2013-12-02 13:19

    Arrogance in the first degree! Keep on digging....dig deeper....

      Rory Neil Price - 2013-12-02 13:48

      Ridwan, the deeper they dig, they will hit gold, they have been robbing you blind for years, and SA will guess what SA will be screwed silly

  • Bryan McCloy - 2013-12-02 13:20

    But it will be the end of you & the cANCer

  • Clint Warren - 2013-12-02 13:22

    Why bring in such big guns Sanral for a delay of just one day? Who is going to pay for Gauntlett? The tax-payers, no doubt.

      Lynette Venter - 2013-12-02 15:00

      Of course

  • Prince Ramalia - 2013-12-02 13:23

    Even if is scraped the world won't end, so just scrap this rubbish . No means No to e-toll

      Ricky Correia - 2013-12-02 13:28

      Totally agree Prince. Whether E-toll is scrapped or whether we don't pay for it the world will also not end so why all the fuss Sanral ?

      Jim King - 2013-12-02 13:36

      tolls will lesson the cars that ride around !! come on ppl use common sense for once and take a taxi if you dont wanna pay ..stop moaning

      Lynette Venter - 2013-12-02 15:03

      @Jim .. i like my life thank you very much.. I'd rather be safe in my own car, not feeding the trolls either, than risk my life in satan's wagon on Gauteng's "free"ways.. seriously..

  • Dave Elmore - 2013-12-02 13:25

    Ours wont, yours will

  • Richard - 2013-12-02 13:26

    Wonder if Untherhalter SC has bought his E-Tag.

      Willem le Roux - 2013-12-02 13:35

      Nah, he stays in Cape Town like all proper Austrians!

  • SoNot Impressed - 2013-12-02 13:27

    Our world wont end cause we wont pay, but your world will...Down with Scamral

  • Christa Campbell - 2013-12-02 13:27

    "When they go under the gantries tomorrow, the world is not going to end... they will just pay tolls," um, I don't think so.

  • Jurgen Eksteen - 2013-12-02 13:28

    Only a couple of millions people's worlds will end ... that's all.

  • Toolsie Muis - 2013-12-02 13:30

    F you and F your e-toll. I will not pay.

  • Thabo Mabilisa - 2013-12-02 13:30

    If I can owe and avoid Edgars then you Sanral stand no chance. I will be driving through those things like I paid.

      Jimmy Don - 2013-12-02 16:57

      I like your style!

  • Brad Smith - 2013-12-02 13:31

    I honestly CANNOT believe that the ANC is pushing the through 5 months ahead of the elections. Couple this with Zuma and they are going to bleed big in Gauteng next year.

      Bob McMillen - 2013-12-02 14:15

      Brad, I hope you are correct, then it will be worth every cent, I'll pay R 400.00 etoll per day if it see's the end of this thieving corrupt ANC

  • Clintleeh - 2013-12-02 13:34

    WOW - the arrogance are astounding.

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-12-02 13:36

    Will not budge. Will not get tagged. Will not pay.

  • Willem le Roux - 2013-12-02 13:38

    I have never seen this before where the Government (elected by the people for the people.... hahahaha) just shows the people they can get paperclipped.

  • Elsie Palmer - 2013-12-02 13:40

    TAXI'S must also get etag. This way Zuma is deviding the country and the people. That one reason people are also upset. Free for one free for all.

      Yuseerah Simjee - 2013-12-02 14:25

      He is scared. He knows if they pay they will burn those things down.

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-12-02 13:42

    And comparing etoll to the end of the world is just childish, sanral. Seems you have run out of stories to tell. Get lost.

  • Timothy Tanzer - 2013-12-02 13:43

    Attornys should refuse to brief this man for helping SCAMRAL.... David Unterhalter SC

  • Timothy Tanzer - 2013-12-02 13:44

    Jeremy Gauntlett SC is also helping SCAMRAL

      Mike Olwagen - 2013-12-02 13:47

      Off course he is making a killing from govt. work.

  • Adriaan De Jager - 2013-12-02 13:45

    I wonder why the president would give in so easily on the E-tolls... Maybe SANRAL sponsored a nice pool @ Nkandla or maybe a tar driveway?

      Bob McMillen - 2013-12-02 14:17

      No need to, we the tax paying public already sponsored all that.

  • Khensani Maluleleke - 2013-12-02 13:45

    The world won't end if E toll is strucked off

  • Mike Olwagen - 2013-12-02 13:46

    Rich coming from 2 SC's that probably charge R25k+ per day to the taxpayer.

      Timothy Tanzer - 2013-12-02 13:50

      Jeremy Gauntlett is more like R 40,000-00 a day

      Odette Van Zyl - 2013-12-02 14:42

      R25k too little. Their charge out rate per hour most probably rate =- R6k-R8 per hour and normal appearance will be +-R25k - urgent will be much mroe

  • Solomon Lebelo - 2013-12-02 13:47

    The fact remains,we wont buy etags,no backing down

  • drsparky - 2013-12-02 13:49

    Not for we it won't... but for SANRAL, definitely. :)

      Kamogelo Toxictemptations Sekgobela - 2013-12-02 16:10

      Dis etoll thing is such a shame 2 de ppl of SA,well dis is 1 of those strategies implimented by de britain n england 2 drain our ppl dry,jst lyk wat they doing with our Gold n watsoever,so de ANC is jst 1 of them n believe mi they njoy every minute of it coz they knw dat we as South Africans r gna end up killing 1 anada in de process n living ppl in more debts, de ANC should change their slogan 4rm<<(2gether we can do more) 2>>(2geda we can do more crime)

  • mantlekilo - 2013-12-02 13:49

    The gantries can be brought down now....the Chinese will pay top dollar for scrap steel.

  • Gerald Beer - 2013-12-02 13:54

    Wait for the 10th when you have to start invoicing, then we will see what stops and what doesn't.

  • foxiloxi - 2013-12-02 13:54

    The arrogance is astounding, they have no clue as to how people are struggling already and now with these and the knock on effect with food prices increasing again is going to put people even further in debt, considering Nazir earns over 2ml per annum excluding bonuses, it obviously means bugger all to him!

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2013-12-02 13:56

    I am going to steal money from a bank...then I am going to tell the judge, hay..the world wont end because of my wrong doing..

  • Piet Viljoen - 2013-12-02 13:59

    Idea: in the place of the E-tag stick a note to your windscreen with the following words on it: F*ck you SANRAL/ANC

  • Jessica Kruger - 2013-12-02 14:02

    Pls tell that to people like single parents and those living just under the bread line.

      rrstemmer - 2013-12-02 16:52

      What bread line?

  • foxiloxi - 2013-12-02 14:03

    1) After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters.

  • foxiloxi - 2013-12-02 14:03

    2) Should SANRAL surprisingly, after a lengthy period, comply with (1) above, then send them a second CERTIFIED letter by registered post, requesting that they send you a photograph for every single gantry you have passed under for that month, proving that is was your car you that is being invoiced.( Perfectly legal and reasonable request from any motorist ). Such photographs obviously, you must request to also be sent by registered mail to ensure delivery. Also takes weeks to collect such registered mail, should it in the unlikely event, ever be posted. Explain that you have heard that certain motorists are using illegal false number plates and you therefore require the photographs to prove that it is definitely your cat that is being charged. Such a request could takes months to be settled, or if you are very fortunate, never. Consider the sheer volume of requests they should by now have received. If their system is not set up for such requests, which I am almost positive is the case. (Hope I am not wrong on this one) Can you imagine the difficulties and problem they will have, in trying to MANUALLY comply with the thousands upon thousands of similar requests received. To be really difficult, how about querying some of the less clear photographs taken at night. Even if they come back to you asserting that the photographs are in their opinion, all perfectly readable, further delays will have been successfully applied.

  • Colin Craig Broadfoot - 2013-12-02 14:03

    The world wont,t end. You will get richer, the poor, poorer and 20 mil will hate you.

  • Stefan Jung - 2013-12-02 14:04

    The world will not end, but some people will die. Literally! When the side streets get clogged, there will be road rage like we have never seen before. When the feeways/milkways become clogged due to yet another accident AND you now have to PAY, the road rage is going to explode. The little that the traffic laws are still abided will be thrown out of the window. Statistically you will be able to attribute REAL human deaths due to higher incidences of stress, heart attacks, more traffic accidents due to road rage and the general violence will escalate. The respect for law and order will take a massive knock. And that is a FACT. Forget about civil disobedience, but rather worry about possible civil revolt and anarchy. EVERYBODY is just so gatvol and what these guys don't get is that that pressure cooker may just explode. That blood will be on the Judge's and the Ministers hands.

  • Lauren McKenzie - 2013-12-02 14:06

    So, they're going to spend 100something every week trying to get people to pay, say, R20? Makes perfect sense. No e-tag :) .. And I highly doubt these summons will get to people on time to begin with. Sanral must just stop pointing that gun at its foot.

  • Stefan Van Der Spuy - 2013-12-02 14:08

    The high court must just stop this whole catastrophe today!

  • Danny Berry - 2013-12-02 14:10

    David Unterhalter SC "The world won't end because of e-tolls." Is this now what passes as a LEGAL ARGUMENT these days. And this by a Senior Advocate (SC). All of you can suck it!!

  • Carol Jacobsohn - 2013-12-02 14:12

    Yes use the taxi and asured that you will not live to see an other day. Why don't the ministers send their wife's and kids and grandchildren by taxi. No they won't as the goverment pays the taxio drivers to kill people off, So if you want the public to use taxi's please set an example and use them your self first. But make sure they don't know who you are. That way you get a taste of what Joe public has to put up with. I bet the anc and sanral is feeling very proud of them self. Keeping food off the table and keeping families apart.

  • Chris Whittaker - 2013-12-02 14:19

    Good luck to the people of GP for tomorrow. There will be a march 13 Feb to the union buildings to bring JZ and this gov DOWN. Please be there in numbers. Hopefully it will be a national event. Enough is enough.

  • Kyle TheKing Oelofse - 2013-12-02 14:21

    @Thabo, avoid and owe Edgars! What makes you better than a thief? That is money that doesn't belong to you! COMPLETELY different discussion to e-tolls!

  • Bernadette Dana Sloan - 2013-12-02 14:22

    No the World won't come to an end, but Scumral will when we don't pay 'YOU DUMB @SS' is this what's passing for a LLB???!!! Oh and while we at it let's not pay all our accounts and we can really cripple ever last one of them?

  • Yuseerah Simjee - 2013-12-02 14:23

    And why is the Taxi drivers not paying to use the E-Thief-Tolls?????

      rrstemmer - 2013-12-02 16:49

      Because they would raise HELL

  • Odette Van Zyl - 2013-12-02 14:29

    David Unterhalter SC is most probably one of the most brilliant advocates in SA - what a pity he is for SANRAL. His own pocket will not be touched considering the fees SCs write, however middle class and lower income South Africans are going to just suffer more. South African government officials are extremely greedy and want all NOW, bullying South Africans of what little bit they make on all levels and yet there is no proper governance nor improvement in this beautiful country of ours.

  • Eddie Maleti - 2013-12-02 14:31

    We have replaced outright apartheid with cruel, dodgy, recalcitrant and legitimate one.

  • Trevor Lee Bianchina - 2013-12-02 14:31

    and there it goes again, SANRAL thinking they are GOD. remember Titanic???????? it also went under. carry on been idiots, this country will show you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Odette Van Zyl - 2013-12-02 14:39

    Willem le Roux, I tried to comment directly to your post, but unable to. Unterhalter does not stay in CT, he in fact is part of group 621 chambers in Sandton. Despite him acting on behalf of Sanral and me not liking it, I respect this man fully. He is one of South Africa's foremost barristers, with a leading practice in competition law, trade law, public law (particularly as it applies to regulatory agencies) and commercial law. He is widely regarded as the leading competition law barrister in South Africa.

      rrstemmer - 2013-12-02 16:48

      It's just a job at the office for him. He'll be rewarded as a judge soon

  • Mashangu Harry Maluleka - 2013-12-02 14:46

    failing to listen to the wisdom of the majority caused Jeroboam the kingdom, irrespective of the legacy left by his father, Solomon and King David his grandfather!

  • Ponatshego Sebe - 2013-12-02 14:50

    Sanral aren't just ignorant but patronizing as well,they perceive too be ding this unjustice to poor people and business,whereas the real truth is that, they're protecting those,who had stolen money from loaned money for the project!

  • Shivi Shanda - 2013-12-02 14:50

    Just the Gauteng economy not the world

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