Willing buyer, willing seller principle to go

Willing buyer, willing seller principle to go

2013-02-14 19:55

Cape Town - Government is to drop the "willing-buyer, willing seller" principle with regard to land reform and restitution, President Jacob Zuma confirmed on Thursday.

"We must shorten the time it takes to finalise a claim. In this regard, government will now pursue the 'just and equitable' principle for compensation, as set out in the Constitution," he announced in his State of the Nation address on Thursday.

Telling MPs that the land question in South Africa was a "highly emotive matter", Zuma said the willing-buyer, willing seller principle previously applied had forced the state to pay more for land.

"The land question is a highly emotive matter. We need to resolve it amicably within the framework of the Constitution and the law."

Zuma said he had been urged to accelerate land redistribution.

"From 1994, we have been addressing the land reform problem through restitution, redistribution, and tenure reform. As stated before, we will not be able to meet our redistribution targets."

Government's mid-term review last year had revealed a number of shortcomings in its land reform implementation programme.

Zuma said there were proposed amendments to the Restitution of Land Rights Act "in order to provide for the re-opening of the lodgement of restitution claims, by people who missed the deadline of December 31, 1998".

Also being looked at were "exceptions to the June 1913 cut-off date, to accommodate claims by the descendants of the Khoi and San, as well as heritage sites and historical landmarks".

Zuma said commercial farmers also needed to be offered better incentives to mentor smallholder farmers.

"Another challenge we have faced is the preference for money instead of land by some claimants, which also does not help us to change land ownership patterns."

  • chedzoylocal - 2013-02-14 20:06

    Oh dear! Here we go.

      andrew.hendrikse - 2013-02-14 20:13

      There are willing sellers but the buyers want everything for free!!

      elgh.elgh - 2013-02-14 20:20

      This is what the youth league was aiming for, strategic move to gain votes....

      Jo - 2013-02-14 20:24

      Get your gun, here the land grabs start. Next it's your bank account that the government will take. Private ownership is a corner stone of democracy, and it's just been undone. They can now take anything and pay you as little as they want. War is coming.

      moose.watt - 2013-02-14 20:44

      Are we heading for another Zimbabwe ...

      debduplessis - 2013-02-14 20:48

      Hello Mugabe (alias Zuma).... Dictatorship is alive and our democracy is now dead under the Zuma regime!

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:53

      tefelo, u will ALL one day eat your own words, sorry did i say eat, ther will be nothing left to eat except your own!!

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:06

      Tefelo, give back the land you stole from the San people when your kind invaded the land

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-14 21:14

      Isn't most of the land in this country owned by government?

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:26

      It is all about scoring browny points for 2014 elections again.

      BatRMan959 - 2013-02-14 22:27

      ..Its about bloody time ..Next.. Increased taxes for companies with less than 4 BEE raings.

      fly.onthewall.54 - 2013-02-15 08:47

      The next land claim will be Nkandla... What will Zuma and the ANC have to say then?

      Jane - 2013-02-15 10:01

      Yip we going to end up like Zimbabwe. Give uneducated unskilled people land they do not know how to farm and equipment they have never seen before and watch this country die of starvation. Very clever ANC, another brainless idea.

  • squeegee.pilot - 2013-02-14 20:06

    One step away from grabbing land for cadres and family...

      yanga.maroloma - 2013-02-14 23:06

      I hope that won't have to happen, I also hope people can accept change and work inline with the general population in building this country. The suprimist, leftist, separatist, racist, are realy pushing toward that direction. We dnt have to go down that path, we can always work together.

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-15 00:09

      Yanga you are one honourable man :) more people should think like you.

      rob.vanjou - 2013-02-15 14:38

      @yanga.maroloma - I hope you are including the racist ANC and the racist Black, Indian and coloured people as well as the white. I don't think you are though.

  • grootrot.vanzyl - 2013-02-14 20:07

    No news in that - we will probably have more court cases on how to determine the fair and equitable value of land than with willing buyer - willing seller. Then it will also be interesting to see how people proof decendancy from the Khoi and the San and they can sommer also say who took their land.

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-14 20:29

      According to genetics we are all descended from them Lol

      BatRMan959 - 2013-02-14 22:29

      @maria.rot the word "them" is what seperates us...

      Michael - 2013-02-15 10:10

      Not really batrman, in this case what separates is your desperate need to take offence wherever you can find it. I hardly think that in this case the use of the word 'them' should take any significance whatsoever. What do you feel she should have said huh?

  • JAJAJA - 2013-02-14 20:13

    zuma go f... yourself. no balls, same bs as before!!!!!!!!!

  • john.breakfacet - 2013-02-14 20:16

    So why don't you buy the land that is commercially available?

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-14 20:31

      So why don't they use the land the Sate owns? There is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

      mandla.dlamini.524 - 2013-02-19 15:39

      it was not available to be forceful dispossessed from the owners, the truth shall set you free.

  • warren.carne.9 - 2013-02-14 20:20

    Willing investor,economy to go #stop corruption

      mandla.dlamini.524 - 2013-02-19 15:47

      corruptible economy of using stolen land, with exploiting the former owners of it, as slaves, it better to starve in your own land than to be in hands of slavery traders, just look ramphele form the party but saying nothing about the crucial issue of land, may she still used by british, oh in wrong time we now no more asking our forefathers land but need it that all, there after we can talk about people shall share in land they live in, it will be fine.

  • khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2013-02-14 20:20

    Good news for a change, it must go, after all who benefitted from it, maybe the farmers, but definatetly not the natives of this country. It must be thrown away without any shame or apology. Investor or no investor, a begging bowl or not, we say land first then all shall follow, thats what the colonisers did when they first landed their thieving paws in africa, they didnt care for anybody or anything else, but the land. Alluta!

      KReddy - 2013-02-14 20:29

      Yes but what happened to the land already transferred? It's become wasteland from successful farms. And what about people requesting money instead of the land? Shows that they do not want it back. Land reform is not so easy as just taking it back and giving to claimants as the entire economy hinges on lands successful management. Imagine no food, no jobs, super inflation and all the social ills that spin of as a standard of such economical collapse? There is a bigger picture and its not about white verse black and colonialism. Move forward, not backwards. I'm all for successful land reform, but follow up measures to control the economic maintenance of farms is a must and this is where the state lacks in epic proportions

      timgaulza - 2013-02-14 20:30

      Khethu, I hope your family is the first to starve when the farms stop producing. I will be in Australia laughing!

      fanie.weldhagen - 2013-02-14 20:33

      if you like this then why dont you just go to zimbabwe.... they have already done this on a even "beter" scale!!! Honestly cant you think 5 minutes into the future.... just think about this. And choose one side, if we are not welcome in this country then why is every product created by people like us welcomed in this country, such as your car....

      maria.roth.589 - 2013-02-14 20:34

      When mielie meal costs six times as much they will be selling the land back to commercial farmers. I hope the relocated people lay a land claim against Nkandla. It has been well developed they'll make a killing.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2013-02-14 20:42

      @ irukandji, u double idiot, out of all ive said, the idiot in u just picked out alluta? U r giving nigerians a very very bad name.

      sthembiso.jali.50 - 2013-02-14 20:50

      im just glad the president has finaly seen the light, farmers brace yourselves, here we come .

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:51

      by your surname U R MOST DEFINATELY NOT NATIVE, go back to west africa where u came from

      KReddy - 2013-02-14 20:56

      @Stembiso, out of the 75 odd percent of black people in SA with a limited ammount of land available for reform purposes, how exactly are the we you talking about all going to benefit? And FYI, land owned by all races that has been claimed will go this route. Does not mean a black farmer is safe if there's a claim on his land. See the double edged sword?

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2013-02-14 21:04

      Irukandji, if u r here 4 da thumbs up, then leave me be, becouse our reasons vary soooo much, m not hop nopping for any one, my thoughts are my own, probably u were not here when the land was wrestled from our fore fathers, when they were kicked out of their homes to the homelands, and now here u are, far away from your own country, telling south africans not to want their land back, just for u to freely push whatever you are pushing here, i have no feelings to goofies such as you.

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:06

      You stole land from the san people, please give it back

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-14 21:18

      Since every single human being has ancestral genetic links to Africa, how will this land be split up between 7 billion people? Each person gets 10m2? Or do only certain people benefit?

      fanie.weldhagen - 2013-02-14 21:19

      Bloody hell, Khethu learn to spell please....that will be a great start.....

      pete.white.7796 - 2013-02-14 21:19

      If it weren't for the "colonisers" you would still be in mud huts. If you want land so badly, work for it like the rest of us!

      john.cryink - 2013-02-14 22:37

      khetu remember blacks stole the land from the San/Khoisan

      yanga.maroloma - 2013-02-14 22:57

      'Its better to die for an idea that will live, that to live for an idea that will die' Ya'll can hate on the Spelling and grammar all you like, Mr Ndlovu is right qha qwaba!! Intimidations and suprimist hate will change nothing, the land is ours to take. Pre94 you said SA will be like Ethiopia in the hands of the anc, it ddnt, now you say it will be like Zimbambe, guess what, it won't!!! SA is going to prosper, with or without you. Learn to respect the ANC then we can move forward together. KILlBOT7 and Co. Shake away the superior complex, its not working anynmore. WE ARE VERY MUCH CAPABLE, LIKE IT OR NOT we will take this country forward. Its not like other people were using magics anyways, we are as capable, SINK THAT IN. You will have less problems.

      donovan.hall - 2013-02-15 15:04


      patrick.mbense - 2013-02-20 13:41

      Khetu you having 50 friends on Facebook! No surprise!! you a blady uneducated joke!

  • bradleybrits - 2013-02-14 20:24

    This is extremely concerning knowing the ANC's track record when it comes to doing business. If there's R200million available they will spend R180million on presidential compound homes and fancy cars for the ministers and the R20million that is left will go to buying 100 farms whether the farmer likes it or not. This is clearly just a way of buying votes from their supporters as they're losing support. The problem is agriculture is the foundation of any successful country and they're about to destroy ours. Very worrying times.

  • blessing.khumalo.90 - 2013-02-14 20:33

    who is they,that is where the problem lie lets work together

  • rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:33

    oooo ha'ka'gee'kaa, hier is dit nou

  • tintwer.ngcobo - 2013-02-14 20:34

    Do you see who is celebrating now?

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:48

      who shuld tintwer, u idiots who will be suffering the most after all is gone or u idiots who think u have whon the battle (revelotion)...good luck in explaining to your offspring who's at fault here...

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:08

      The criminals running the country? The voters who condone racial hatred and corruption? Please give back the land you stole from the san people you are also an invader

      pete.white.7796 - 2013-02-14 21:26

      They'll be too stubborn / stupid to even know what happened Riana. They've had almost 20 years to change things and lo and behold it got worse - big surprise. Are you tax payers Tintwer, Blessing, Tefelo, Kheto or leeches like the 40-odd million non-tax paying "citizens" of South Africa, leeching off those who actually deserve a place in this country?

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:37

      No Pete they are probably working as ''PUBIC servants'' not a spelling mistake.

  • blessing.khumalo.90 - 2013-02-14 20:35

    this is zumas country of birth u go yourself

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:43

      no its not you dumb fart idiot, u ol migrated from west africa after u spoiled it to further your lazy-ass doings!!!

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:14

      And its mine too dickhead

      fanie.weldhagen - 2013-02-14 21:21

      idiot, if you guys want to achieve anything in life.... be the first to create something....anything at all, because i cannot think of anything at all.... just a thought

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2013-02-14 21:47

      Can you even trace your forefathers? Mine arrived here in the 1700's. Do you actually want to prove that because of the Colour of your skin, you have more rights than me? Have you read the Constitution? You are shaming Mandela and all the people of this Country. Do you want all the Africans to return from Europe and America, the Indies, Jamaica, in fact: the whole diaspora? Because they are Black? Or medium Black, or Blacks with straight hair, or President Obama? You HATE on your own Colour from across the Border, you hate on you own Women and Children, you hate your own Grandmother. That is why this Country is in such a mess. Black men can't rule. Black women CAN. And you hate the fact. That's why you rape and kill the people that could be your very salvation. I am sick of mediocrity. I am sick of entitlement. I am sick of lying in my bed waiting to be raped and killed. You are part of the problem.

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:38

      THE 3,5 million whites were also probably born here what are you saying? Blessing should have been called CURSE>

      greg.martino.33 - 2013-02-15 11:39

      FYI Its every black white, pink and purple person that was born in this country's place of birth. And before you get on your high hores, If you are born in America,you are A M E R I C A N, if you are born in Europe, you are E U R O P E A N. Therefore if you are born in Africa, you are .......? Yes well done you said it! A F R I C A N.

  • paul.vermeulen3 - 2013-02-14 20:37

    They shot themselves in the foot when they "e-valued" the properties, to get more from rates. Lets hope they reverse that process.

  • denny.cray - 2013-02-14 20:38

    Nkandla getting a bit heated so time to kick the hornet's nest. What as we all scurry around! If this gets the go ahead and we see farm land grabs - I'm leaving the country.

      matimu.milwood - 2013-02-14 20:46

      Ha ha ha can't wayt, y not now anyway?

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:41

      Go now we do not need cowards we need fighters.

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-14 23:47

      Oh gosh always threatening to leave. You think it's greener overseas? Feel free to leave

      denny.cray - 2013-02-15 07:18

      @Matimu - Because I enjoy my life here. It would also involve selling my house and business. I would lose my lifestyle and many friends and family connections. My employees would potentially lose their jobs. @Sipho - You are suggesting I fight the government? Violently? @Hom - No, not always threatening to leave. I did however spend some time in Europe in my 20s and have an EU passport. It isn't perfect in the EU but I wouldn't have to worry as much about having my possessions forcibly taken. Zimification appears to be speeding up. Everyone would do well to prepare.

  • francois.viljoen.12 - 2013-02-14 20:38

    This from a fat bold idiot with out a shower cap or Metric...goes figure

  • blessing.khumalo.90 - 2013-02-14 20:38

    everyone not happy let us use proper channels to challange the state disrepect vulgar language wont help

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:45

      u know whaT, after u've raped the country its your own that will suffer the most, idiots

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:09

      Neither will racial hatred towards white farmers.

      anthony.cowen.50 - 2013-02-14 21:26

      Well said Mphondini!

  • Trenthodges - 2013-02-14 20:40

    Um... Its Matric

  • teboho.martin.3 - 2013-02-14 20:41

    Zuma u lost your balls, you are too soft to these afrikaaners and too hard too blacks like u.South Africa is our beloved motherland and we want our great fathers land back to us .stop nagging u fool .

      Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:16

      Bring it dickhead, i fight better in close quarters, racist filthy pig, go burn in hell you cnut

      pete.white.7796 - 2013-02-14 21:36

      Zuma is soft to the Afrikaners because he knows we are the ones paying most of the taxes, idiot. See my comment earlier - go back to middle Africa where your actual ancestors came from. Yes, the ones that killed the actual inhabitants (Khoi San) of South Africa way before the white man came from Europe. Now the uneducated, black plague decide to rape and kill and destroy - worse than animals!

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-14 23:12

      I will repeat myself, only to "enlighten" another racist. What have YOU done for your Country? Did you fight in a War to protect it against Communists? Did you build up a farm, from scratch, were only inedible bush grew? Did you help to build a road, a mine, are you a paramedic or a committed teacher? Do you hand over your hard-earned money to a sadly corrupt government, or are you excempt because of your way of doing business? How hard is it to do business, Teboho, if you apply your mind and work hard? I quote: Can you even trace your forefathers? Mine arrived here in the 1700's. Do you actually want to prove that because of the Colour of your skin, you have more rights than me? Have you read the Constitution? You are shaming Mandela and all the people of this Country. Do you want all the Africans to return from Europe and America, the Indies, Jamaica, in fact: the whole diaspora? Because they are Black? Or medium Black, or Blacks with straight hair, or President Obama? You HATE on your own Colour from across the Border, you hate on you own Women and Children, you hate your own Grandmother. That is why this Country is in such a mess. Black men can't rule. Black women CAN. And you hate the fact. That's why you rape and kill the people that could be your very salvation. I am sick of mediocrity. I am sick of entitlement. I am sick of lying in my bed waiting to be raped and killed. You are part of the problem.

      pieter.oosthuizen.988 - 2013-02-16 00:24

      Hey you fool, you dont have a land. Shaka chased you all away during his Dfeqane. Your liberation before education, schooling has left you illiterate. Wake up, and smell the REAL history, not terrorist ANC propaganda.

  • Rooinek007 - 2013-02-14 20:42

    One headline says that Zuma says that the economy needs to grow threefold to create more jobs, and another headline says that land redistribution needs to be sped up. The two don't really go together do they?

      rianasemail - 2013-02-14 20:46

      no they dont Stephen, and they will suffer the most after all is done (undone)...

  • Eterni80 - 2013-02-14 20:44

    ah, so nationalisation is BACK on the table it was supposed to have been taken off ay JZ..

      yanga.maroloma - 2013-02-14 22:36

      Its now Strategic Nationalisation, name change_same ideas!

  • gavinoleary68 - 2013-02-14 20:46

    another nail in the coffin of the SA economy. and he wants to grow the economy threefold to create 11 million jobs? watch it go the other way.

  • jaco.prinsloo.370 - 2013-02-14 20:47

    What is it with them and their land fetish??? I for instance do not own a single peace of land, I live in a great Town House which I rent with my spouse and dogs. I live a very happy life and are not bothered about owning land??? I work hard, exercise regularly and love traveling...a peace of land is the last of my worries...Seriously isn't the modern black middle class family more concerned regarding education and getting a good job and to live in work in a city??? Do they still want a piece of field were they could sit all day and stare at their goats??? I don't get it!!

  • Rustic - 2013-02-14 20:53

    Pursuing the principle of theft.

  • zeenat.allie.16 - 2013-02-14 20:55

    You dear sir are an idiot. Your argument is fundamentally flawed..., if the colonial powers never landed here, you would still be swinging from a tree, huddling in a cave and wait for lightning to start your fire..... Wake up and for once realize that the struggle to end apartheid needs to carry on and not reverse racism being applied. This current load of government officials have no other agenda but to enrich themselves and continue to feed the masses their scraps..... Go and enlighten yourself and I am almost convinced that you should go down to your local video store and rent a cartoon called "animal farm".... The book might just be a bit too heavy for you.,,,

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2013-02-14 21:15

      And i would be better off without the heart diseases, your cancer, asthma, etc, so get up get moving, a tsunami is on its way. Idiot.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2013-02-14 21:24

      you are just a joke from your mother worb,how many whites have enriched themselfs during die groot krokedile

      pete.white.7796 - 2013-02-14 21:44

      Khethu you don't make sense. First you say you would be better off without heart disease, our cancer, asthma etc. and then you complain that the whites enriched themselves. If you don't want our "diseases" or enrichment, leave! You guys have f'd up enough countries in Africa - leave the last good one to the whites who actually took care of it and made it one of the top countries in the world before you took over and started f'ing it up. The tsunami may be on its way but it'll take you along with it because without us, you'll start raping & pillaging the land until there's nothing left. Where to then, idiot? Into the sea? Across the waters to the other "colonial" countries to start your crap all over again?

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-14 23:56

      Khetu you are really one of those people that are f**king stupid. Any bet you praise Jesus or Allah too. You think something like cancer was brought to Africa by whites? How about you do some research before talking sh*t... Every human on the planet naturally has cancer cells. It is not a virus or bacteria. The same goes for heart disease. Just shut the f**k up.

  • zeenat.allie.16 - 2013-02-14 20:57

    Previous post at "blessing khimalo".... Can't quite figure out what you were blessed with.....

  • zeenat.allie.16 - 2013-02-14 20:58

    And Kheto...

  • zeenat.allie.16 - 2013-02-14 20:59

    And tefelo.....

  • rudi.jansen.9275 - 2013-02-14 21:04

    "re-opening of the lodgement of restitution claims, by people who missed the deadline of December 31, 1998" It is 15 years later! It is all about giving the white land to the NEW claimers or should I say voters that want it all. Zimbabwe here we come. We need a new government. Please black voters. See the light or go down like Roberts country!

      andrew.m.grant.75 - 2013-02-14 21:29

      Wishful thinking. The only way is the 50 year cycle of 'kick out the whites', descend into abject poverty / civil war, hold out the begging bowl, get the whites back to fix everything on World Bank funds.

  • Killbot79 - 2013-02-14 21:05

    Then you must return the land to the khoi san, you also invaded the land, its mot yours by right either

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:50

      Killbot please you are Killjoy, haven't you go anything else to say except Khoisan. Hah?

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-15 00:01

      He repeats himself true... But he is correct. Facts are facts. Another fact is every single human being on this planet has ancestral genetic ties to Africa (yes, even Asians and Europeans). So what exactly is the point about fighting over land that MIGHT have belonged to someone hundreds of years ago? How do you know my ancestors didn't own Kenya 30,000 years ago, that was stolen? Where is the line drawn?

  • johann.enslin.9 - 2013-02-14 21:08

    Farming takes big money to make a small profit. Hope they ask the Chiefs to give back the land they have controlled for so long. More land held (not title for normal folk) by chiefs than any other. Time to pay the fiddler. Take it and be damned. That is the outcome.

  • difa.mashwama - 2013-02-14 21:14

    pls mr president fight corruption first..

  • erich.vonstalhein.14 - 2013-02-14 21:15

    The San did not own any land. They did not settle anywhere. They were hunter gatherer, pastoral wanderers.

      bra.tabs - 2013-02-14 22:10

      Oh, so that makes the settlers the rightful owners. Really?

  • matimu.milwood - 2013-02-14 21:18

    Good call cde ZUMA its been long overdue!

      andrew.m.grant.75 - 2013-02-14 21:25

      Shame. Do you think you and your mates are each going to get a free farm? I have some bad news for you. The only people who will benefit here will be the cronies of the upper echelons of government. The average black person will get zip. Other than the instant gratification of seeing white people chucked off their farms but this will soon be replaced by famine and all it's consequnces. Then 'the whites' and 'the colonialists' will be blamed again as the begging bowls come out.

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:52

      Bunny Chow never more a true word spoken.

  • malcolm.stevens.129 - 2013-02-14 21:21

    If I purchased a farm 5 years ago and paid R10 million on the open market, government can come along today and say "We're buying it from you for redistribution because it was taken from aboriginal people without compensation" and then pay me what they determine the market value to be. This might be below what I paid since a) the market has dropped and b) they determine fair value. This could very well leave people seriously out of pocket and they cannot stop it. Government needs to safeguard against this somehow; I'm not saying they cannot do what they're saying or stop going ahead, they just need the right measures in place to ensure they're not screwing over people who might have purchased land fairly on the open market.

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:55

      malcolm welcome to earth I do not know which planet you are from but, and this is a big butt (alomost as pig as piggy Nkonsana Dlamini Zulu's butt),Government and fairly as you used them in one sentence just does not go.

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-14 23:18

      People inflate the prices - so does everyone doing business with Government. The executors of my father's will did the the same. I don't know who are the worst skelms: Government or big Business. In the meantime we are all screwed. There are many forms of rape.

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2013-02-14 21:22

    Government pays too much... while justifying a R200 million compound. The world is seeing the banana republic we are becoming, and they will take their investments and dont care. Brace yourself, SA. Dark days are coming. And this will not be a prediction like post apartheid war. Then we had Mandela who handled the situation as best possible. At the helm now is an uneducated, power driven leader. A leader who has not flinched when a convicted rapist, he pardoned, raped again. A leader who's involvement in dodgy deals and scandals were never tested in court. His means to keep it out of court has also been questioned. That is our leader.

      nketso.kgwadi - 2013-02-14 21:24

      Pity u whites have been saying this since 94 and piet is not coming!

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-15 00:04

      You keep generalising and making out all whites to be the same. Is that right? Would it be r

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-15 00:05

      ... Be right for me to say all blacks are thieves? No... I cannot possibly know how each and every black person is, therefore I do not generalize. Can you not do the same? Or will you forever be stuck on race?

      mandla.dlamini.524 - 2013-02-19 16:04

      it very painful to those who honoured themselves as god ordain, to stole our land, to practise slavery in most farms R69 a day, to stole gold and diamond to day america have most reserved of gold. yet amagusha asitshena i rubish they are not apologetical with what they did, but now is time, but the truth shall set you free vagabond,

  • anthony.cowen.50 - 2013-02-14 21:24

    Come to the Eastern Cape all the Farms taken over by Ciskie are dead not one land has got any grass growing in it pathetic,as for Transkie that's just a place for keeping your Pets

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-14 23:21

      Your pets? Are you insane? Several trucks carrying livestock overturned there in the last two years. Legs and joints were hacked off while the animals were still alive. People just dump their offspring there and hope they survive.

  • pws69 - 2013-02-14 21:27

    Must be an election next year. Desperate times call for desperate tactics, hey Zoooommmer? Here is a little advice, once you have given away all the silver, the mob will turn on you, and then your only choice will be military suppression. What am I thinking, you wouldn't have a problem doing that. It's probably part of the plan.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2013-02-14 21:33

    "Another challenge we have faced is the preference for money instead of land by some claimants, which also does not help us to change land ownership patterns." Yes, mr Pres. How do you propose to change it? After your government fed people with quickcash for babies and free houses to keep them quiet? When the skills base is almost non-existent, while you expect Farmers to do the training for you, and the minimum wage is set at R105? Are you familiar with the term "Appie?" It is an institution in many industries. You work for nothing until you gain the skills to have a future. If you have a Std 3 - or no education at all, you can still be judged by your proficiency. An apprentice works hard, needs to be judged by industry standards in his particular field, and gets paid a stipend. Enough for beer money. The problem is that the average 30yr old in SA has swallowed your philosphy wholeheartedly. Why work, if your girlfriend(s) earn enough to pay for your boozing? Why work unless you have to?

      pete.white.7796 - 2013-02-14 21:50

      Well said, Tania! Money will be worth nothing if this continues. What's the point if a loaf of bread costs R100 but the average wage is R150? If all farms fail, we'll need to import everything and this from other "colonial"/"white" countries. Will they complain then or stick out their begging hands just happy for some food?

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2013-02-14 21:52

    Long overdue.

      sipho.mathabula - 2013-02-14 22:58

      So is a bullet to your brain retard.

      HomOwen87 - 2013-02-15 00:06


  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2013-02-14 22:06

    Where did I make it about race? It is a shame that people like you like to play the race card when a spade is being called a spade. If Zuma was white, I would still not choose him as a leader. On merits and by his track record

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2013-02-14 22:08

    When did I make this a race issue? Even if zuma was white, his merits and track record shows him lacking as a leader.

  • Lindo Ntanzi - 2013-02-14 22:26

    im not racist but a realist! iam neutral and just when it comes to fairness,but tell me where were all normal white citizens before 1994 that have just came up to be patriots when it comes to fighting for what is theirs of which was even taken by force and against claiming back what was takan by White gorvenment from S.A blacks decades ago,where was white youth during black youth struggle?what was white communities saying or doing about oppression of innocent black citizens,id say most were enjoying the apartheid benefits,wow its hard to be on your side cause for all i know you are only still fighting for the old benefits and land for your own but not for the country and equality...the sins of the fathers will fall to next generations thats what is happening now...thers nothing can be done for you while mourning like this at this moment you just have to comply because its fair for the whole country what is happening.thank you,you can shoot all types of comments as you want, its time to face the truth as it is.

      isaac.tapfumaneyi.5 - 2013-02-14 23:13

      you are the first pan africanist i know.you are intelligent and articulate in your writing.continue to stand by wat you say coz it will come true.viva to our land as africans viva.

      TaniaSS - 2013-02-14 23:34

      Lindo, we were treated worse than Blacks by the English. We were put in Concentration Camps by the British, and more than a 150 000 women and children died. People came back to their farms, without wives and children; facing a bleak future. Their farms were burnt to the ground, their animals stolen - there was simply nothing left. They looked up to the Lord, did not lose hope, and built this Country into the Powerhouse it still is today. If something is handed to you on a platter; one tends not to respect it. The ANC were gifted many opprortunities: like the Railways, to uplift their own people, as the Afrikaners did. Everything is ruined. It will take Billions of Rands to fix our Railway infrastructure. Many little towns died as a result of their incompetence. Just look around you in any town or city, and you will see the railway hardware at a standstill, as it has been for the last 20 years. Imagine if you were a small-time farmer, and the train stopped close to your farm, the government was subsidising it, and your produce could reach Market before Dawn? Imagine a child in the poorest places getting a glass of pure milk and an egg provided by the farmers in a 50Km radius? Just Imagine? Stop hating, and start thinking.

  • stephan.butler.14 - 2013-02-15 00:45

    Ok Mr Zuma. Devide the country in two. Give the white Afrikaners 1 province in South Africa. Any province for that matter and divide white and black. U will see the black side going bankrupt and people die from hunger whilst the Afrikaans province sucseed and be better off. Its a fact that comes from 1827. Since 1994 this country is going backwards.

      transkei.native - 2013-02-15 01:19

      does that mean boeres deserve more land than black people??..

      andrew.m.grant.75 - 2013-02-15 08:33

      Hey Steph - do you have a place for us Engelse Rooineks in your grand plan? Or must we go back to England?

  • george.mabena.146 - 2013-02-15 04:56

    It was wrong from the start,lands were not taken through 'willing buyer,willing seller'.So why that now?That was then,this nonsense/perception of saying if the land is returned to the genuine owners people will starve must stop.And please don't lecture us about this nonsensical migration from west africa instead maybe tell us where have you migrated from.You fed our people 'bantu education' but you also got drunk by it,hence the superiority complex.Colonizers manipulated the economies of africa,recently Zimbabwe.Elke hond het sy tyd.

      stephan.butler.14 - 2013-02-15 09:21

      I never migrated for anywhere. I was born South African. My father and his father and his father was born South African. So don't go blame us for that. How should I know who came from where? Where do u come from? U a koi san bush man or a zulu? That's the only people that was in this land before the year 1800.

  • piet.vanderlinde.39 - 2013-02-15 06:19

    Will every Mrs Zuma get a farm now?

  • shawon.tiltman.5 - 2013-02-15 06:25

    ok ....in Africa especially our shining star Zimbabwe where all farms were taken by bob ...given to the rightful oweners ....why then are there more Zimbabwe Nigerian zambian etc blacks comrades. here? ?? in S.A. there are so many that the black population resort to killing them on mass. ethnic cleansing can't think of the African word rite now !!!!!@

  • pete.moore.12 - 2013-02-15 07:47

    And so begins the Zim style land grab...

  • luna.moon.5243817 - 2013-02-15 07:48

    willing buyer/willing seller concept to go? say hello to land grab a la Zim!

      andrew.m.grant.75 - 2013-02-15 08:31

      I don't think it will be Zim style violent land grab unless the farmers try to fight. It will be a case of a white farmer being paid a pittance for many generations of hard work and being told to like it and leave. It will be lauded by the government as a peaceful and rightful re-distribution of the countrys land to "The People" - a very loose term meaning "family, friends and cronies of the ruling party bigwigs". What will be the same as Zim however will be the famine that will follow, sky-rocketing food costs as demand outstrips production and the real sufferers will be "The People" (real this time) who put "The People" (politically connected) into power in the first place. Crazy system huh?

  • david.luis.9822924 - 2013-02-15 08:06

    R.I.P democracy

  • DAppleby - 2013-02-15 09:04

    What a lot of hogwash comments, people in SA of all races spend far to much time claiming what they believe are their rights, if everyone spent more time working to build a better life for themselves they would not have the time to moan and groan about everything within the country.

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