Fin24

Whites earn 6 times more than blacks

2012-10-30 10:33

Cape Town - Incomes of black South African households have surged 169% in a decade, but whites still take home six times more money 18 years into all-race democracy, a national census showed Tuesday.

Census 2011 put the country's population at 51.8 million people, an increase of 6 950 782 million since the 2001 count. Nearly eight in 10 people are black and less than one in 10 white.

"(In) 2011, we have 51.8 million people in South Africa," said Pali Lehohla, Statistician-General of Statistics South Africa.

Overall, household incomes more than doubled in the last ten years.

The average now stands at R103 204, up from R48 385 in 2001.

The statistics point to a growing black middle class with the majority race group's yearly household incomes showing the fastest growth of 169.1% to R60 613 from R22 522 recorded in Census 2001.

But the country's biggest wealth and employment figures are still sharply skewed in favour of whites.

"Black African-headed households were found to have an average annual income of R60 613 in 2011," states the report, with incomes followed by mixed race and Indian and Asian households.

"White-headed households had the highest average household income at R365 134 per annum."

Nearly two million people still live in shacks, which has risen by more than 100 000 since 2001, and more than nine million people live in a house.

The number of outright homeowners has grown from 4 625 300 to 5 970 852 homeowners of whom 4 919 563 are black owners which is an increase by more than one million since ten years ago.

Expanded unemployment among blacks was nearly 50%, while only around 10% among whites.

Comments
  • marc.rule - 2012-10-30 10:40

    I work hard for what I have and don’t b!tch or Strike like the masses and I’m thankful for what I have.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-10-30 10:41

      Now this is something that must be fixed!?!

      foe.no - 2012-10-30 10:47

      There's nothing wrong with bitching or striking... Its a case of wheteher you an opportunity you had to "work hard" in an office or whether you only had the opportunity to "work hard" in a mine as a rockdriller!!! So yes you may work hard, but you sure as hell dont seem SMART!!!

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-30 10:50

      It can be fixed if more people are working, we can't allow too many people getting "money for nothing".

  • siyabonga.khumalo.108 - 2012-10-30 10:40

    THE TRUTH HURTS

      jonathancfarrell - 2012-10-30 10:47

      That's because they work 10 times harder

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-10-30 10:47

      Whites are now going to claim that the Census figures are cooked.

      ludlowdj - 2012-10-30 10:48

      What truth, that the wrongs of apartheid are being fixed? that blacks are climbing up the ladder even if their own government still hinders that growth through its failures in education? Or are you one of the people that believe that whites should be thrown out on the street and that wealth and property should be handed to you on a plate?

      rontheogre - 2012-10-30 10:49

      No, it doesn't as I am too busy working my a$$ opening and running my own business instead of crying because I could not "GET" a job, so I created my own.

      george.larkins.14 - 2012-10-30 10:51

      The truth is,I think, that most of the goverment officials are still overpaid for what they achieve.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-30 10:51

      What do you expect when they are 10x more intelligent..? NOW THAT REALLY HURTS... Before my comments gets removed - kindly note the household income of a person in Germany versus a person in Zimabwe. Then kindly explain why it is the German's fault that he/she earns > 50x more..?

      gerhard.nel - 2012-10-30 10:51

      Makes sense. Higher education = more money. The only way to solve this problem is to focus on education.

      frank.vankaapstad - 2012-10-30 10:54

      Instead of throwing racial slurs around, everyone should be asking why isn't the education system working and who's fault is it? It is also interesting to note that whites still earn 6x more in spite of the ANC's RACIST policies. That boils down to attitude and willingness to work; not expecting free handouts like the majority of this country.

      siyabonga.khumalo.108 - 2012-10-30 10:54

      i dont know why you guys are attacking me! i read something and it hurts me coz its the truth. this reaction clearly supports my comment THE TRUTH HURTS

      jonathancfarrell - 2012-10-30 10:55

      The truth is Germany was down in the dumps after WW 2, they got over it, moved on and became one of the strongest and most powerful economies in the world and in Europe... Why? Because THEY MOVED ON, built a new life and got on with it!!!!!!!! In SA we still renaming benches and streets and fighting for a "struggle"

      rejeanne.nel.33 - 2012-10-30 10:58

      This figure obviuosly include all the black South Africans that unemployed too. Like for instance the construction industry in Limpopo that has grinded to a halt because the ANC has stolen R2 Billion from the government coffers. So the poorest of the poor will stay that way because the top ANC officials will steal all the money leaving nothing for those who need it most. Oh and by the way... Construction on the Limpopo High court (A R500 Mil project) has been halted half way because the whole R500 Mil is gone. Yet more black South Africans that are unemployed right before the Christmas Holiday Yes Siyabonga the truth does hurt.

      Andrea - 2012-10-30 10:59

      you say nothing about the blacks being 5 x more like to be a homeowner?

      kieron.beets - 2012-10-30 11:00

      Dont be so stupid, that is why this economy is "moer toe"! That is a 1 million whites vs 50 Million blacks comparison and that is why the averages... Why not release the top class blacks average earning, then you'll see that they pay more than 10 times more than whites... Just to show you how much "care" the ANC has for its own people! So the ANC keeps you suppressed and depressed and then just lets blame the whites for your conditions.... This really irks me. And it a country that prodominitly advantaged to the Black Society, shows you that even when given everything, they still don't want to WORK. WORK and you will get payed, dont just wait for the next government handouts, cause that only happens before elections, so a 4 year wait every time. Take your iniative a vote for a party that actually do what they say and create jobs, because believe you me, there is ample growth available in South Africa, but I guess it must be left to the whites to develop so that the blacks can claim that with some mickey mouse policy, like they currently in place!

      sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-30 11:00

      Absolutely true and its not hurting me! If we took these stats worldwide you would find that whites in Europe, US, & Australia also earn more than blacks? Has that got something to do with Apartheid as well? What these stats show is that whites make it happen for themselves not only in S.A but worldwide. Perhaps you need to start looking at what we are doing instead of turning things around into a pity party. Take your cupped hands out of the air and make it happen for yourself dude!

      sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-10-30 11:01

      Morning Claudia, i think you mean 10 times more educated. Intelligence is not the sole prerogative of Caucasians, as you repeatedly demonstrate here on news24.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 11:01

      @ jfarway1- That's because they have had an unfair advatage and still do

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 11:02

      @ Claudia_Meads- LMAO you always amuse me with your racist bile hope the bitterness gives you ulcers.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-10-30 11:05

      Of course they do, they keep South Africa running.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-30 11:06

      And the stupid ANC are only enriching themselves instead of filling our pockets like the NP did for their whites. I also want to claim that I am intelligent than whites in the future. I now support corruption and will be joining them soon. I need my tender too.F^(k what the hell.

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-30 11:12

      It's because they study, they pride them in their work, they don't strike, they are prepared to work without forcing overtime pay, and most important is that they can normally do the work that what they were employed for. Blacks strike, they don't work one minute without overtime, they get qualifications that they did not earn, and so one can go on. Now don't say you know a white who can't do his work because I can also show you a few blacks that can work!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:13

      Exactly Ronald My dad earns a lot, but he worked his a$$ off for 7 years for him to get his business off the ground, to be able to earn that salary. For some reason, some people just want a quick fix, a super high salary on day 1 of work or opening of a business.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:16

      Ugh these racist attitudes and comments are so boring. Really? Is that all we can focus on?

      stephen.reeves.908 - 2012-10-30 11:18

      Claudia, you're stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-10-30 11:19

      Claudia is suffering from SALT, she needs a man to neutralise her v....a it is too dry.

      Kalari - 2012-10-30 11:21

      In the job market you get paid what you are worth so why would the truth hurts.

      freddie.miff - 2012-10-30 11:22

      Differing levels of education. Plain and simple. Once more blacks get a decent education their income levels will increase. They cannot all be tenderpreneurs, some will have to actually work.

      lwazi.zibi.7 - 2012-10-30 11:22

      So what next... Its not as if this FACTS are going to change... Why is our public transport dominated by blacks... Because our Collogues earn 6 times higher for the same work sometime even for junior level...

      tobydt - 2012-10-30 11:22

      "Less than a third in SA have matric"

      gstatu - 2012-10-30 11:25

      I agree. The "victims" will refuse to see this as the truth. they will find a conspiracy hidden somewhere in these blatant facts.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-10-30 11:26

      "Educated people earn six times more than uneducated people" is the real story.

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-30 11:28

      no it doesn't - what I earn I deserve as it's based on my productivity - not on the size of the f'ing union I belong too buttwipe.

      fabio.josi.50 - 2012-10-30 11:37

      And we pay 10 times more f*cking taxes!!!

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-10-30 11:37

      @alicia. I think you forgot to mention the kind of Job you do. I really hate it when people makes this unsubstantiated statement, this so typical.

      stephanvdm84 - 2012-10-30 11:39

      It's actually quite simple. The average income of whites is higher, because they are fewer. You'll have the rich people on both sides of the colour spectrum, but 100 divided by 5 is more than 100 divided by 10 000. It's simple math, and to have a headline like this only fuels racial slurs. News24 and Fin24 are only baiting for clicks, and most of the people on this forum have fallen into the trap. Oh, and siyabonga, you're simply troll baiting as well. Had you listened and paid attention in school, instead of picking your nose, you might have been able to figure it out for yourself instead of creating this little storm in a teacup.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-30 11:40

      siyabonga.khumalo.108, et al.., Here are some more statistics.., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:National_IQ_Lynn_Vanhanen_2006_IQ_and_Global_Inequality.png A lesson in 1st-year statistics - even if you took ALL the income from white South Africans and hand it to blacks (as per the ANC pursuit) then black income will hardly change. Rather be more concerned with your country's population growth than the most economically productive sector of your economy. Will STATS-SA also tell us how much of SA’s tax is paid by whites..? JUST ASKING… BTW - the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights gives EVERY human an absolute right to earn according to their abilities. If you feel the average white South African is less capable than what they earn the kindly provide substance beyond obtuse harangue. lorain.maseko.., Some more entertainment: Black wealth is called B-BBEE; white wealth is called RACISM. It is a bit like the difference between capitalism and communism - ie under capitalism man exploits man, under communism it is the other way around... sibusiso.hlongwane.92.., Plse look up “Caucasian” = peoples of the Caucasus region.., I AM A EUROPEAN - the most advanced- and prosperous peoples in the known universe.., statistically speaking...

      thapelo.maleka.94 - 2012-10-30 11:40

      i alwayz put my last cent on growing my business i do not save my money. i take loans which i could afford i can afford R3000pm loan but the banks refuse to loans meas i buy cash, my family member give me R10000 cash and i pay her in two months.

      punungwe - 2012-10-30 11:41

      This reporter is an apartheid apologist. What exactly is the meaning of 'all-race democracy'? Look, apartheid was a white minority dictatorship, simple. It was not any kind of democracy. What we have now is democracy which does not need to be qualified in any way against apartheid. Secondly that whites earn more has nothing to do with harder work, but simply is because the advantages they were handed on twenty silver platters are still in effect. The effects of the system which deliberately disadvantaged blacks while deliberately advantaging whites are going to be with us for several generations. It happened and it can't be wished away. The only important task lying ahead is to prevent it from happening again, even in reverse.

      sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-10-30 11:44

      Hey Clauds, no-one cares where you're from. Now, please dont go take your frustration out on your poor maid and/or garden boy.

      freddie.miff - 2012-10-30 11:49

      "more than nine million people live in a house" Wow, must be really cramped. ;-)

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-30 11:52

      Whites earn 6 times more than blacks To make the above statement true, I have to earn 6x more than Patrice Motsepe? With a wealth of R20.07 billion, I think somebody is talking BS

      siyabonga.khumalo.108 - 2012-10-30 11:52

      Sorry i cannot reply to your comments as i have to WORK.

      apansari2325 - 2012-10-30 11:53

      did they include the money comrades earn in bribe and corruption !!

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-30 11:57

      The richest blacks earn 20 000 times more than the average white.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-30 12:02

      A black person has a 70% better chance of getting work in the government than a white person. Black homeowners outnumber white homeowners 6 to 1. For every 6 black homeowners there is only 1 white homeowner.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:19

      @Everyone,Have you ever lived in a black or coloured community. Apartheid, the brought white supremacy to a whole new level as the rest of the continent was decolonizing following World War II. The National Party government treated non-whites as second class citizens and in the case of Africans, non-citizens. South Africa's apartheid system was enormously costly and ultimately collapsed because the inefficiencies created by apartheid policies escalated as the economy's structure changed. Labor market regulation and industrial decentralization policy inhibited efficient resource utilization, especially as the manufacturing sector became dominant. Apartheid educational policies generated skill shortages. A mercantilistic development strategy distorted trade patterns, exacerbated dependence on foreign capital inflows, and created chronic balance of payments difficulties. The administrative and defense costs of implementing apartheid were onerous and rising. These internal weaknesses enhanced South Africa's vulnerability to capital flight, changes in world prices and business cycle conditions, and political changes abroad. Ultimately, apartheid was abandoned because its costs came to exceed its benefits to white South Africans. The internal dynamics of the system dictated the retrenchment of apartheid, which in all probability would have occurred even without foreign sanctions Copyright 1997 Western Economic Association International.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-30 12:23

      The number of blacks receiving grants outnumber whites at least 10 to 1

      SarelJBotha - 2012-10-30 12:27

      The truth is that I refuse to not feel proud of what I do and my success.

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-30 12:35

      The truth is that there are 40 millon more black people so there will be a lot more poor people in this catagory!! Plus whites don't just expect to have money given to them like a large majority of the black youths (ANCYL). Just the other day I hired a black staff member who said she was desperate for work as she hadn't had a job in over 2 years, 2 days later she quit because she said she doesn't like so work hard!!! Must I say anymore!!

      johan.r.erasmus - 2012-10-30 12:35

      Dear Mr. Khumalo. The truth hurts only by presenting proven facts. We all know that the media exagerates. So before I cry in despair, please present the facts. Have a good day.

      jaco.bruwer.73 - 2012-10-30 12:45

      strange: 10% whites are jobless = 0.495 million 50% blacks are jobless = 20.5 million So they take the average of whites (including jobless) and the average blacks (including jobless) and workout the annual income. fishy I think. I wonder if they take the average of all working blacks and see what the yearly income is, what will it say. And nobody told people to have 10-20 kids at a time. at the current rate SA will have a jobless statistic of 80% at the going rate. But as Shaka Zulu states, we might not be the strongest but majority wins. As the old ANC stated before 1994, we will multiply and force the whites to give in, our numbers are our grates weapon. But now, a 100year+ after Shaka Zulu and 18 years after 1994, there numbers are there grates enemy.

      sean.noble1 - 2012-10-30 12:46

      Truth being in 18 years of schooling less than a third of the eligble population did matric, considering the length of a school career and the time the ANC has been in power, the stats for a succesfull education system should have read 80% of eligible south africans have finished matric, which means 80% of south africans are eligble for semi-decent work opportunities, which in turn means 80% of south africa could have been classified as lower middle class already instead of poor.

      enlightened.bowman - 2012-10-30 12:49

      Yes Siyabonga, the truth hurts.It's the same scenario all over the world, blacks have the highest uneployment rates, lowest education level, highest crime rates and lowest income and everywhere in the world, blacks complain how unfairly they are being treated. Is it the rest of the world it is wrong with? NO other ethnic group anywhere has this universal problem so, yes, the truth hurts.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 12:50

      Whites also have 1.06 children on average. So despite your racist oppression whites are doing quite ok without government help. That must hurt. Your ANC government is useless at creating jobs for everyone. They are communists / socialists and that philosophy of dependence never creates wealth: waiting for government to hand you wealth. You need to start your own businesses, like the whites. Start with a few thousand Rand in your home and start selling your products. Waiting for the ANC to hand you your plush job is never going to happen 5 million can't support 30 million with jobs. You are going to have to become capitalists and work HARD. I work 12 hours + per day. Are you doing the same? Sundays and public holidays too. Even New Years.

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-30 13:01

      Stanman, If what you are saying is correct (viz the archaic 'copy and paste' you posted) then why is the ANC is doing EXACTLY the same..? JUST ASKING (again)...

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-10-30 13:03

      Funny how they never even came to my house, or my neighbourhood atall. My black neighbour with his masserati. and his kids with very out of proportion cars concidiring the dad is the only bread winner.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 13:07

      @Claudia Meads, now that is just what the National Party and Verwoerd prescribed to, any family links there Claudia...stupid comment to make for sure.

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-10-30 13:14

      Whites are criminals who should burn in locked way in Robben Island for good. Before the democracy government was Inaugurated. The then government and private sectors increased the salary 10 times, if a white man/woman by then was earning R300,000.00 p.a. the salary was increased to about R800,000.00. It is not that whites are all educated but the system and fraudlent activities back then allowed them to be superior. Even now in private sectors, whites continue to enjoy higher salaries, whereas they are not educated, because most of their white folks who are executive continue with this fraudlent activities. We are pushing hard to have a black CE to replace Carrol at Anglo. Aluta Continua.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 13:17

      Lets just see: the ANC government spends 98% of the taxes collected on blacks. Whites are lucky to see 3% of their tax money spent on them. So despite R110bn in welfare a year, free homes, free jobs in government, free BEE contracts, free AA joy rides, free education - 85% of public schools charge no fees, free loans, free electricity and free water in many cases, you STILL can't make it. May I make a suggestion: invest that 98% of the budget in whites and this economy will grow like Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea and provide work for everyone.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 13:20

      @Claudia Meads, for someone that's so advanced because you are European you can't even use grammar correctly " and prosperous peoples in the known universe.., statistically speaking...lol, stupid

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-30 13:23

      @gift.mushi.9 When the ANC Government took over they increased all black salaries to R 5 0000 000. if a black man/woman by then was earning R10 p.a. the salary was increased to about R 5 0000 000. See, if you can talk BS, so can I.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 13:24

      @Claudia Meads, please follow these links and explain to us why your peoples lol are having so many problems, you sounds so American lol, peoples. www.iol.co.za/.../europe-s-economic-problems-slow-vehicle-exports- www.voanews.com/.../europe_economic_woes.../6666 business.time.com/2012/.../that-sound-you-hear-is-the-euro-cracking/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_sovereign-debt_crisis Survey: Economic woes may defy next president Euro Zone's Slide Gathers Pace - WSJ.com Europe's Real Crisis - Megan McArdle - The Atlantic Must I continue?

      palesa.k.lebelo - 2012-10-30 13:28

      hemm?

      pyn.appel - 2012-10-30 13:30

      @ Siyabonga - the truth hurts as such that the black still earn less, which ACTUALY states that EDUCATION is key. They should have added the stats in relation to education. The higher the education the higher the salary ... that's how it works acorss the world, not just in SA! So encourage all to get proper education !!!!

      palesa.k.lebelo - 2012-10-30 13:32

      Truth hurts. They are thieving pirates. Ill-acquired wealth. Soon as your token black icon Mandela bites the dust, we are taking back what's ours. They are so quick to forget their evils. Always pointing out other people's wrongs to make themselves feel better. Dirty!!!

      palesa.k.lebelo - 2012-10-30 13:37

      Well, eric.vanvuuren, with spelling like that I can understand why you are mad that your black neighbour drives a Maserati...I don't know a masserati is that a wheelbarrow or something, and you totally missed the fact that this is a statistic. How do these kids end up on Fin24 anyway? If this is an adult, then I'd be very worried about these people's average IQ. They better go to Australia.

      palesa.k.lebelo - 2012-10-30 13:41

      ludlowdj, we dont want jack on a plate. Forget the plate, we are taking, the picking season is nigh. Wait till we just get rid of moron of a president and we bring Juju back.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 13:43

      gift.mushi.9 I thought your ANC friends held Libya and Cuba up as models to emulate, you know countries where people also didn't vote, where no democracy existed. I guess democracy was never that important to the ANC either. They are still supporting Mugabe too, a dictator.

      andre.esterhuysen.9 - 2012-10-30 13:45

      It's article is racist and hiding behind the freedom of speech is abused in this case. What can this article achieve? Why point out this specific fact when yo mamma earns more on her back

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 13:47

      It will also be interesting to see how many whites are starting up new businesses each year and how many blacks are starting up businesses, even if it is in the informal sector. Those statistics are never revealed because the government doesn't care about business develop as much as it cares about getting votes with welfare.

      palesa.k.lebelo - 2012-10-30 13:59

      hahahahahahaha. Who is this Claudia_Meads person, I absolutely love her? Sheer stupidity, but what's sad is that she really really thinks she is intelligent. I just love how the breaks down the difference between capitalism and communism...she says "it is a bit like the difference between capitalism and communism - ie under capitalism man exploits man, under communism it is the other way around..." This one is always a home run hitter boys. And fact that you guys give her thumbs up, s hows how you are to this poor lady. Go Claudia_Meads, tell em girl.

      hleriche - 2012-10-30 14:14

      The truth doesn't hurt at all mate. Neither would i say the census is cooked. Im proud I earn more than. What's wrong with earning more than most of you? I work my @ss off. I don't demand anything for free. I don't get "special" treatment for being white like AA and BEE. So yes. It's an accomplishment. Something most of the "strugglers" need to learn. It's called work Ethic. Another word specific to my western culture. In fact. Chances are I don't just earn 6 times more than you but add an extra zero to the end of it. And just another fact. Black people in South Africa is in a much greater position than other Africans, and people in other countries, but moan and demand the most you would be forgiven to think they're the most "done-in" nation on this planet. So well done to my fellow white compatriots for setting an example for healthy competition for our fellow brothers and sista's to aim for without any special treatment...

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-10-30 14:30

      @alicia.myburgh.65 Hahahahahah, WTF do you actually do. "...I drive a very small second hand car. I take care of my husband and my 93 year old Dad..." And you call that hardwork, Every black woman does that, you are lucky you even have a car to drive your hubby and dad somewhere, blacks you wheelbarrow. So just shut you don't know what your doing, just lazing around and spewing racist remark on news24 and you call that hardwork, ag please go swim in the river

      phillip.botha.50 - 2012-10-30 14:33

      It is laughable to say that the truth hurts, because less than 1 in 10 is white and the less than one contributes the majority of the tax generated in this country So the only truth that hurts is that the vast majority out there are lazy parasites intenet on drowning our beautiful country in welfare grants Think before you comment and you won't look so stupid

      anri.tredoux - 2012-10-30 14:35

      The truth hurts because in a white and coloured household mom and dad works, kids start working at a young age for extra cash. In a lot of black households there is only one soul provider which everyone else leaches off.

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-30 14:52

      that's because were not smoking ganja,chasing the sun around a hut whilst waiting for handouts......if no opportunity comes our way we create our own....this percentage will not change because of the fighting spirit to succeed AA/BEE and the anc has unknowingly instilled in us.......to the detriment of its supporters..... for Africa has its own time....this is a fact that hurts....

      claudia.meads - 2012-10-30 14:56

      palesa.k.lebelo, "...Take back what is yours..." Ha, ha, ha, ha... You mean like a two year old child trying to fly an Airbus A380..? First invent the wheel and your own written language - then try again. Breeding like r@ts, does not qualify as progress, my darling...

      andreas.meyer.12327 - 2012-10-30 15:11

      Not that surprising, but I find the average income figures a bit high nevertheless. Could be because lot's of income actually also stems from investments.

  • raath - 2012-10-30 10:41

    No striking and hard work makes for a higher income.

      paul.c.wadsworth - 2012-10-30 11:08

      I've just been re-clasified, I'm going on strike, I can't spell!! Now I undestand why no-one loves me!!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-30 11:09

      Raath if I even dared thinking of striking at my work, I would out on my ear in a jiffy ! No ifs or buts. That's the bottom line. And I don't get any handouts. I also don't steal the firm's tea, coffee , and box milk sugar to up my salary ! I have been working at the same Company for over 30 years and have never been off sick once ! Never mind striking !

      Steven - 2012-10-30 11:09

      Raath, that's spot on mate. As a foreigner, I find it astounding the number of times people strike per year here. I mean, how does one expect anything to change when you're not willing to put in the hard yards? Lack of education in South Africa is the number one cause of the widespread poverty, unemployment, crime and racism, yes racism. Over 50% of the majority have no formal education or qualifications. Yes the history of the country plays a huge part, but the lack of push from the government to educate the masses is almost criminal. Incomes will always be skewed in favour of the more qualified, it has nothing to do with race. I say to the people claiming one race is more intelligent than the other, that argument hold no truth. Maybe in South Africa because os the above mentioned but all that does is further alienate and divide your already divided country. Just my opinion though.

      clifford.sithole.5 - 2012-10-30 11:44

      Because they klaim to be more edukated than us..

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-10-30 11:49

      Its also stop having so many kids that you cant afford and work harder.

      raath - 2012-10-30 13:23

      @Clifford. Working hard and having good work ethic has nothing to do with education. And by the way, it is spelled "claim" and "educated".

      christopher.shining - 2012-10-30 13:37

      Well done whites. You make me proud to be one!

      andre.esterhuysen.9 - 2012-10-30 13:47

      Yea and white sex workers make more money that blacks so that is a direct reason for this result.

  • maretha.mineur - 2012-10-30 10:41

    Once again not comparing apples with apples. What is the skills level of the white households compared to the black households? Education, the current government's biggest failure!

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-10-30 10:53

      We can't because apartheid have created Apples (whites) and Pears (Black). Apartheid deprived Blacks' to education. Blacks imposed to Bantu Education while the minority (Whites) occupied first class education. If you are black seeking good education, you need to immigrate somewhere in the world. When Black pass matric their education should be in FET's college, Nursing college or teachers college. Remember that is for 100 of years. Give us sometimes maybe only now 15 years, we will be able to compare apples with apples because democracy have allowed our children to access any institutions.

      lynette.venter.12 - 2012-10-30 11:00

      tsss tsssk @ gift. Apartheid has been gone 18 years... that is the time it takes to finish school from Grade 1 tot Matric... so if it's all apartheid's fault, then by your argument ALL blacks should now have matric coz it's 18 years past... SJO! Is that a light bulb I see above your head, or is Eskom screwing with me? It IS the Government - stop balming the whites, we're not the root of you problems, it's the idiots you guys vote for!

      rouxan.boshoff - 2012-10-30 11:06

      Disagree with you Gift! Apartheid is not keeping you from any form of education! YOU have to make it happen... no one can expect education falling into their laps. There is hundreds of resources enabling people to be educated. If you work HARD you WILL get a education and job! if you are lazy and expect everything to be given to you, you WILL be UNEMPLOYED!

      ilsewepener - 2012-10-30 11:06

      @ gift - I know of numerous black people who went to school in the sixties and seventies and even attended (in the seventies) the University of Natal and became qualified medical doctors and some of them were female as well. So please don't blame your stupidity on so-called black education. If you want something you have to work really hard for it.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-30 11:15

      gift, please don't blame Apartheid for lack of learning and education. My best black friend who has retired now went through the Bantu education system in the 50's and 60's. She became a teacher as did her husband. They were at the same college. They are very succesful people. So basically you could have gotten an education albeit not the same one as the whites at the time, you could have gone to school. Now take a look at our schooling now for instance. What has changed ! Nothing ! Pupils do as they please, teachers strike ! Is that a good example to set? I think not !

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:20

      Aaah yes, was waiting for someone to use apartheid. Typical. I suppose the hurricane in New York is apartheids fault too?

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-10-30 11:29

      @ Mushi, you have had 18 years to sort out the education system yet you still cant deliver textbooks to schools. Start looking at the present for the reasons, not the past

      Klaus - 2012-10-30 11:29

      @gift.mushi.9- Hitler the National Socialist came to power in 1932, committed suicide 1945 having destroyed Germany (in power for 12 years) 10 years later / 1955 Germany was already on its way up, 18 years later 1963, Germany was & is still humming, why? Education, Education and hard work and a intelligent work force. Nb: University is for the top intelligence only, if you flunk first year you are out!

      sean.noble1 - 2012-10-30 11:42

      actually your debate about apartheid is null and void look at the Anglo boer war, Afrikaners (a race) was subjected into extreme poverty by the English (a race), less than 18 years later white Afrikaners were successful and have managed to create wealth, by working hard, putting down what was regarded as the best education system in the world at the time. And having an actual game plan, Afrikaners didn't moan and expect handouts from the English, they worked to build an economy and a country. So if you guys start pulling your heads our of your @sse's stop playing the victim, maybe just maybe you will be able to see the bigger picture, and put people in power that will build this country create wealth and opportunities for its citizens. Becuase really the only people still bothered about racism is the ANC as its their primary card to get votes. Racism actually died in the 70's ask your top officials who all worked in "white establishements" from the 70's and 80s and had positions of rank. 50 years on you still blame "the man" in america 100 years on they still "blame the man" stop your victim mentality and go find work.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-30 12:03

      Gift, Bantu education was better than the current education. In the "bad old days" of apartheid the leaders came from different universities, now they seems to have only primary school education. It also does not help the average income from blacks when 50% are unemployed.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-10-30 12:15

      @Gift. What crap are you talking. SA had the best education in the world during apartheid. But then came along your ANC government and thought they be clever to change the whole set up and look where it is now. Pass marks get dropped to 33%?? How can you hire someone that knows only 33%. You can say what you want about the whites, but theres alot of blacks out there driving the big fancy SUV's. Black are not happy when things are not given to them. Its just want want want. You wanna earn more money then work harder. Stop striking and destroying stuff when thing dont go your way and stop having so many babies

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:33

      he ideological framework for Bantu education had its origins in a manifesto crafted in 1939 by Afrikaner nationalists. Based on the racist and paternalistic view that the education of blacks was a special responsibility of a superior white race, this document called for "Christian National Education" and advocated separate schools for each of South Africa's "population groups"-whites, Africans, Indians, and Coloureds. Segregated education disadvantaged all black groups, but was particularly devastating for Africans. In a pamphlet released in 1948, the organization asserted: "... the task of white South Africa with regard to the native is to Christianize him and help him culturally... [N]ative education and teaching must lead to the development of an independent and self-supporting and self-maintaining native community on a Christian National basis" (quoted in Hlatshwayo, 64).

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:34

      Bantu education served the interests of white supremacy. It denied black people access to the same educational opportunities and resources enjoyed by white South Africans. Bantu education denigrated black people's history, culture, and identity. It promoted myths and racial stereotypes in its curricula and textbooks. Some of these ideas found expression in the notion of the existence of a separate "Bantu society" and "Bantu economy" which were taught to African students in government-run schools. This so-called "Bantu culture" was presented in crude and essentialized fashion. African people and communities were portrayed as traditional, rural, and unchanging. Bantu education treated blacks as perpetual children in need of parental supervision by whites, which greatly limited the student's vision of "her place" in the broader South African society (Hartshorne, 41)

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:34

      Bantu education schools suffered terribly from government's neglect. Enormous disparities in funding between white and black schools and student-teacher ratios adversely affected the quality of education for black students. The Bantu Education Account of 1955 made matters worse by mandating that African education be funded by the general poll tax collected from Africans rather than from the General Revenue Account used to fund white education. Even after the separate account was abolished in 1972, education of African children still remained grossly under-resourced, receiving one-tenth of the money afforded to whites and struggling with 56:1 student-teacher ratios (Hartshorne, 41).

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:35

      Dilapidated school buildings, overcrowded classrooms, inadequate instruction, poor teacher training, and a lack of textbooks plagued African education. Students struggled to learn under such conditions. As former teacher Eddie Daniels observed, even the sports fields at white schools were far superior to those at black schools: "the first thing that strikes me at both [white] schools was these huge stretches of green fields. Hell man! And in black schools you've got nothing, and I look at this it's just vast. You've got huge playing fields, tennis courts… It's painful, painful." Watch Daniels interview segment]

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:35

      n an interview in 2006, Obed Bapela described his experience in overcrowded Bantu education schools in Alexandra township (in Johannesburg's northern suburbs): … the school that I went to was an overcrowded school, there were quite many of them in Alexandra that were overcrowded, there were not enough schools to take care of all of us so we used to share classes. There would be a morning class that goes up to 11 o'clock and then we'll go home and then other kids of the same grade will come after 11 o'clock up to 2 o'clock and therefore the teachers will then run two sets of class … in some situations they will even use a tree in the schoolyard… We were around 70 to 80 [pupils in class] when I was in grade 1 and grade 2.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:42

      If you not black, coloured or Indian then you will never know what we went through, never ever ever, no electricity, you had to use toilets outside because that's how they were made us, using a car battery to watch tv, no street lights, seeing sign boards that don't allow you to go certain places, chased and beaten by cops because you demonstrating against apartheid, wash in a bucket because we did'nt have hot water, you had to use a cadac gas burner for food and hot water and ironing clothes, candles for light so that you can study at night. The list goes on and on, trust me, White South Africans would understand if they endured the hardships that we did

      pyn.appel - 2012-10-30 13:46

      @Stanman - one thing that I can remember when I grew up (with my black friends on the farm!) their school was always vandalised and eventually burn down to the ground. We looked after our school and took pride in it ... big diffirence. My uncle was a bantu educator but he got so frustrated that the kids wanted to learn but the ADULTS kept on sweeping them up against the whites ... Taking responsibility is a big part of life ... stop blaming and take responsibility for your own actions!!! (no matter what race!)

  • adriaan.pieterse - 2012-10-30 10:42

    Wow, I wish I was in the 365k annual bracket.

      nicolene.kotze1 - 2012-10-30 10:50

      Yeah, me too! Then i would also be a homeowner...

      john.fourie.18 - 2012-10-30 10:59

      Or in the bracket that owned their own homes outright.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-30 10:59

      me three

      ilsewepener - 2012-10-30 11:03

      Yes, not too sure where all these statistics come from!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:21

      I don't earn enough to buy my own car or house... maybe they only took census on the super wealthy whites???

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-10-30 11:52

      I don't even get 1/2 of that... [goes away to hunt for a job]

      bertus.muller.96 - 2012-10-30 12:26

      What most people don't realize is that the odd 100 rich whites like the Ruperts and Oppenheimers ect pushes up the average income of whites. While the odd coulpe of million unemployed pushes down the average black income. In reality most whites are middle class and earn less than the average. Black middle class 3 times larger and growing fast. So, what's the problem?

      johan.viljoen.925 - 2012-10-30 12:38

      365k per household, not per person. Now make your calculations

      sb.prins1 - 2012-10-30 12:56

      Household incomes, not single incomes

      adriaan.pieterse - 2012-10-30 13:17

      Wow, I can read. My HOUSEHOLD income is not that seeing as I live by myself. Seriously prats...

  • Sphiwe - 2012-10-30 10:44

    No wonder anc boys so corrupt they want to reach that target

  • wendy.craig.9655 - 2012-10-30 10:44

    Possibly because they are 6 times more productive?

      siyabonga.khumalo.108 - 2012-10-30 10:49

      wow!!

      marc.rule - 2012-10-30 10:53

      more than 6x more productive

      peter.ndamase - 2012-10-30 11:03

      Rubbish!!!

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 11:05

      No Holly probably because they have always had an unfair advantage and still do, right now our company has just hired a new HR manager,do you know what her previous experience is? Scuba diving instructer,do you think they would have done that if she were black? No they would'nt they would ask for 10 years experience

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-30 11:24

      @lorain. "Scuba diving instructer(sic)" Probably to wade through all the crap you are talking. Why didn't you apply for the job ??

      richardjs - 2012-10-30 11:27

      Oh Lorain... unfair advantage? “South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others.” http://my.telegraph.co.uk/baytree/haymaker/1428/london-times-quote-of-the-week%E2%80%8F/

      richardjs - 2012-10-30 11:28

      a word recently coined to describe South Africa’s current political situation: Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. http://my.telegraph.co.uk/baytree/haymaker/1428/london-times-quote-of-the-week%E2%80%8F/

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 11:43

      @ andrez.kolesky I'm not in HR that's why, but fact is if she was not Afrikaans she would not have got the job,shes not even ashamed to say she knows nothinmg about HR,she has to besent for training regarding everything

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 11:47

      @ richardjs if it wasnt for affirmative action would black people be getting jobs? you were brought up to believe that even if a black person has a degree from harvard,as an Afrikaaner with your grade 10 you are still better that them because of pigmentation

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-30 12:05

      @lorain. Herewith some info: Learnerships registered with Department of Labour FET Certificate: HR Management & Practices Support (ID 49691) Level 4: L/Ship Number 21Q210014331404 National Diploma : HR Management & Practices (ID 49692) Level 5: L/Ship Number 29Q290032402495 National Certificate : Productivity (ID 49793) Level 5 : L/Ship Number 13Q130049161245 Get off your @ss, stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something for YOURSELF ..... It's ALL for free ....

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 12:24

      @ andrez.kolesky-you are a darling thanks for that but i'm stdudying towards a legal degree,HR doesnt interest me and no i'm not feeling sorry for myself I feel sorry for all the other black people that were probably qualified for the HR job and were sidelined just as a favour for the Afrikaans speaking scuba diving instructor

      vlammie.pilot - 2012-10-30 12:46

      @lorain I agree it is very unfair that you are black. You must go and ask your mom why she made you black because it is now very unfair towards you. Us whites were made by our white parents, yes it is very unfair because 50million blacks hate us because they are not white. Sometimes life is just unfair. You must learn to live with it, there is absolutely NOTHING that you can do to change your colour. Carry on with your numb racial ideas, you are demonstrating to us why the HR job was not even offered to you, not because you are black, but because there was actually a white candidate applying for the job. And before I forget, you must stop listening to your black friends who seem to be experts on apartheid but nothing else.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-30 12:56

      @lorain. "you are a darling thanks" quite a fresh breeze as to what I've been called before. GOOD LUCK with your studies. (Sincerely). She is now your Afrikaans colleague; be a darling and lend a helping hand.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-30 13:38

      @ vlammie.pilot- How old are you? coz if you are 10 then your comment makes sense.

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-10-30 13:58

      Lorain - I was going to say that i can assure you that the company I work for does not employ unqualified people based on skin colour and then I realised that because of BEE and EE we actually do! Then we train them up and give them opportunity to improve themselves – and the ones who grab that opportunity with both hands don’t care about skin colour because they are succeeding for themselves. However, your case sounds more like nepotism – your scuba diver is more likely to be related to someone or sleeping with someone. It is not always about race.

      andreas.meyer.12327 - 2012-10-30 15:31

      Compare this also to other countries. In that scenario Whites in SA earn far less then their White counterparts in White countries. Blacks on the other hand earn far more then Blacks in other Black countries. So the system is unfair to Whites and benefits Blacks (like it already did under Apartheid).

      wo0two0t - 2012-10-31 11:54

      Lorain - I would blame BEE... for me BEE creates an entitlement among black people that makes them lazy – not everyone. As an employer why would I want to employ someone just because of their skin colour in business that shouldn’t even be a consideration? I would rather employ a white person for many reasons… they generally have a better business sense than black people, they get on better with colleagues, they generally aren’t as lazy, they get the job done without me having to follow up every 5min (You give them a warning they work well for the next few days then back to the usual uselessness MICRO MANAGING) attitude, you owe me mentality so much more. I know that’s not the case with all black people but that’s what BEE and AA or the ANC are incentivising their people to become now why would an employer pay more for that please explain?

  • johanna.vandokkum - 2012-10-30 10:44

    More ANC propaganda-mythology which has NO relation to the reality on the ground.

      yossarian.crake - 2012-10-30 10:55

      Come on.....Johannea...really. No relation to what is happening on the ground?.....really…. I think you may be falling for your own propaganda. There is 101 logical reasons why this is the case, but denying the income gap all together? The results does not surprise me at all. By allowing our education to disintegrate, our government has sabotaged the only sustainably way for the majority of our population (i.e black) to rise out of poverty and earn a decent salary. Whites denying it exists though, wow…. If you need to confirm this data with your own eyes…take a walk in Sandton city, and then take a drive 2km to Alexandra Township.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-30 11:04

      Firstly yossa. SA is the on country where BEE benefits the majority, secondly people living in Alex do not pay for water and Elec. thirdly I drive a corsa light to to escape the fuel hikes where as i've seen many black people driving Jaguars Audi A7s BMWs you name it. Maybe there is a gap but look at the benefits as well. PS i wish i was earning in 300 000+ per year.

      yossarian.crake - 2012-10-30 11:31

      Seriously? Seriously??? Firstly: BEE does not benefit the majority of black population. It benefits a select few of the black people who have connections. Also gives the qualified black man a free ride. The balance are pretty much unemployable and face little to no opportunity. The government is not helping, and it’s a failed policy. Secondly: Really…people in Alex don’t pay for electricity and water? WOW, so the fact that they have pretty much no opportunity, live in cramped spaces and horrific sanity conditions is outweighed by the fact that they get water and electricity for free. Thirdly…. I don’t know where you live, but the majority of black people I see are either walking, in taxies, on the back of a bakkie, begging or just sitting on the side walk. Yes, I would say in the luxury car category I will admit that there does seem to be a 50/50 split between whites and blacks, but that my friend is the black elitist, and does not reflect the entire population. That again a sign of the ANC failings. Finally, I might need to explain to how averages work. It does not mean everyone earns 386k a year, it means that about half of whites earn below that figure and the other half earn more. Well that the median, an average is actually a pretty dam skew measurement as people like the CEO of shopright (Annual salary of 25m) would skew the data. I thought this was obvious? Or would you prefer to embrace this victim mentality? Your under 30 and not earning more than 385k…boo hoo.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-10-30 11:33

      One figure which is never forthcoming is the distribution of black wealth. I'd like to see how much black wealth is owned by a tiny handful of priveleged (black)people. THAT is the problem that needs to be addressed, not continually harping on about the past.

      yossarian.crake - 2012-10-30 11:35

      Agreed DrGonzoSA.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-10-30 12:25

      So blame the Government do not coming running to whites and blaming them for every thing, I have no victim mentality. I will work for what i want...not beg. And while you at it please tell the ANC gov. to stop handing out social grants girls at a young age are becoming pregnantx5 just to get money and where does that lead...over population.

      gerrit.vanrooyen.37 - 2012-10-30 13:44

      @DrGonzo Stats-SA do calculate the wealth distribution of blacks and as one can expect the income disparity among blacks is greater(and rising)than for the other population groups. @yossarian I share your sentiments. How anyone can give you thumbs down is baffling.

      andreas.meyer.12327 - 2012-10-30 15:56

      Bear in mind that the Census only counts what is taken into it. It doesn't count or take data from those that aren't counted. I wonder how many Whites in squatter camps were actually counted.

  • wil.kapstok - 2012-10-30 10:44

    Serious disparity - worth at least 10 times more. Maybe the affect of unpaid leave should have been taken into consideration for all our striking workers.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-10-30 10:46

    It will be madness to expect blacks to earn more than whites in 18 years time into democracy. It will mean something illegal was done to bring equality. I'm more interested in the number of black people with university qualifications. Educate the masses and the injustices of the past will take care of themselves.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-30 10:49

      100% correct Sibusiso. Also the average number of kids per household would be interesting - if you have 1-3 kids in a household, you can provide a better education and life for them. If you have 5-10 kids, forget it.

      Jeremy - 2012-10-30 10:50

      Probably the most thoughtful and sensible comment here!

      adriaan.pieterse - 2012-10-30 10:50

      Sibusiso good point, education is the key to economic freedom! Everybody will have equal opportunity if they are educated!

      thepatrickwinter - 2012-10-30 10:52

      Well said, education, productivity and your real value to a company will determine your salary. Otherwise, why are they employing you ??

      peter.ndamase - 2012-10-30 11:06

      Good point, the ruling party is not worried about uneducated masses. This is where the votes comes from, a person who sees an RDP house as a favour from ANC will always be loyal to the movement. Those who complain about the differences in salaries must just educate/re-skill themselves so that you have a base when you argue. You get paid for what you worth.

      butch.poulter - 2012-10-30 11:13

      Sibusiso for president.

      abra.kadaver.1 - 2012-10-30 11:20

      Well said , it shouldn't come down to race but levels of education.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:23

      And Sibusiso deserves a Bells! :) This man knows that it ain't skin colour or apartheid, but a lack of decent education that causes this disparaging situation.

  • george.larkins.14 - 2012-10-30 10:46

    You get paid what you are worth.As simple as that.

      kgakgamatso.phatlane - 2012-10-30 11:19

      what about two people doing the same job achieving the same targets, is it fair for them to earn different salaries?....i don't think it's that simple....at least when there this little thing called 'patronage'.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:24

      I ain't worth much then... lol

      gwynneth.rowe - 2012-10-30 12:20

      @Kgakgamatos: Can we also start harping on about how women doing the same job as a man still gets paid less 90% of the time? And I assure you that women being oppressed has been around longer than Apartheid. But guess what? We don't harp on it and pout and throw little hissy fits - we work harder and prove that we're worth it. And as an aside - a company is more likely to pay a higher salary if they think that the person will be loyal and remain with the company for a longer time. Its often the case that women leave when they marry or have kids so the company doesn't invest in them. Its similar with black staff (I know from experience) - the second they see what they think is a better post they bolt. I refuse to use a huge chunk of my businesses resources to invest in someone who is just gonna jump ship with the first "better offer"

  • michael.hein.7374 - 2012-10-30 10:47

    If this is true, then all I can say is us "whites" are underpaid as we generally do the job 100x better!!!!

      michael.hein.7374 - 2012-10-30 11:40

      The idea is to work smart not hard!!! we do this as we are capable of doing so!

  • markus.hagedorn1 - 2012-10-30 10:48

    I don't really care if that 365k bracket is dominated by white or black people. It does nothing for the uneducated, unemployed people, black, colored and white, so who cares what color rich people are.

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-30 10:48

    The differnce lies in the unemployment figures (50% - 10%).

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-10-30 14:00

      Exactly, the headline is very misleading as it implies that whites earn more than six times than blacks. The fact that a very large percentage of the black population is unemployed means that their average household income is almost zero. The reason for the high black unemployment figures can be attributed to a largely disfunctional educations system, policies like BEE which are discouraging economic growth as well as a workforce who is very unproductive and militant.

  • jeanlouis.naude.1 - 2012-10-30 10:49

    I suspect that there are outliers that are influencing that figure. Let us see the facts. There are less whites than black people. This will already give a higher average. I am not arguing that there aren't rich white people , but the figure that was posted is not a true reflection on the majority of the white population. What they should do is say how many people earn above the average for a true reflection .

  • kritzinger - 2012-10-30 10:49

    Well when you have unemployment to the extent that we have, plus a huge majority of black people vs white people, it doesn't take a mathematician to figure out that more black people will be unemployed than white, meaning the average household income will be a lot lower. Stats don't always tell the whole truth.

  • nishaatf - 2012-10-30 10:49

    Also what about the coloud people living in shacks , just saying , Stop this RACE game ,And grow up

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 13:09

      Curriemafia it is your own fault. You allowed 10 million Zimbabweans into South Africa to take your jobs. You supported child support grants, encouraging blacks to have far more kids than they can now support. If you want to have 4,5 kids or even 11 kids per family like those of Marikana, then you have made your own bed, now lie on it. Smaller families are stronger families. You focus your money and energy on a few children. So I expect whites to earn 7 more than you do in the next census.

  • Jakkals Venter - 2012-10-30 10:49

    So go and learn get a degree then you can also fall into that bracket.Stop striking and do something with your live then you can also benefit.

      tshepo.kekana - 2012-10-30 11:02

      sometimes educations is point less, certain things will never change. It's not about a degree, as long as you work for someone..things won't change

      KevvyW - 2012-10-30 15:03

      Jakkals, my mede kommentator. As jy ni flippen brood op jou tafel heti, hu de joos mut jy study. Hoekom sponsor jy nie een of twee swart studente met die geld wat jy en meeste van jou broers ge erf het nie. Nee jy koop eerder 'n quad bike of not 'n 4X4. Shame of people like you. Ek voel siek

  • annelie.steyn.10 - 2012-10-30 10:49

    Does this census include all the government directors and employees? Because their income bracket is more than R1 mil per annum. And I don't recall any white ones....? Just wondering...

  • george.lyon.756 - 2012-10-30 10:52

    They got to because they also support at least 6 black families

  • denny.cray - 2012-10-30 10:52

    I am now in my 30s. I went to a good school. The majority of my school mates have gone to England or Australia. Those that remain have either started their own businesses and succeeded or have joined existing family businesses. In short - high income earners have remained while many of those who were aiming for middle of the road incomes have found easier/better places to be middle class where they don't have to compete against AA/BEE policies and don't have to worry as much about crime etc. My sample size is pretty small but I'm fairly sure others here will have noticed a similar trend. This *increases* income equality and contributes to our brain drain. Another backfiring government policy.

  • gelliott007 - 2012-10-30 10:53

    Ok - Always playing the race card - 8/10 people in SA are black, so we have 10 million whites and 40 million blacks. In all honesty, the figure will be so high as the 1000's of black workers working in the mine falls under the lower class and will surely have an impact. Figures twisted yet again to suit government in ensuring anarchy in SA

      trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-10-30 11:17

      LOL..you forget the coloureds, asians...etc...more like 5mill MAX of whites in SA now.

  • Rob Allen - 2012-10-30 10:53

    interesting maybe the ANC should take and nationalize every effing think then the Blacks will have the same?.......bwahaaaa for about 3 months then fkall....eish now we need help again!

  • anja.jansevanvuuren - 2012-10-30 10:53

    Ons werk 10 keer harder as hulle, en ons het 2 kinders op die meeste, nie 4 of 5 nie. En asb..... wie kry die meeste werk in S.A.... nie blankes nie.... nee daar word gese jy mag nie werk nie, die pos is uitgesit vir n Swart dame of man... NOU WAT NOU......Almal kry swaar hier nie net die swart mense nie Hallooooo skrik wakker

      KevvyW - 2012-10-30 15:12

      Anje Anje, ek dink die een wat moet wakker skrik is JY. "Julle werk 10 keer harder, jy lieg - Julle rykdom kom van slawerny. slawerny gebring deur swartes wat pikkie en grawe en troffels moes hanteer sodat julle 'n "Confy" lifestyle kan leef. Ek wil nie bombasties raak nie, maar ek dink as alle witmense soos jy dink, het ons land 'n helse probleem. Mense soos Jy. Ook nie mense soos jy nie, maar mense wat dink soos jy. Die enigste mense wat tien keer harder harder gewerk het, die swart populaise van die ,onse land. Jy weet nie wat dit is om te werk nie. Jy sit tien teen een agter 'n lieflike lessenaar of iets en verdein daai 6 maal meer. Wat 'n jammerte....O my Land Suid Afrika.....

  • Werewabbit - 2012-10-30 10:53

    What an ambiguous statement! lets rather compare like with like before making statements like that: I bet teacher salaries ar the same, entry salaries for jobs etc. the vast majority of workers in South Africa are black, completely skewing these stats. all that that like this does is allows politicians to make outrageous statements

  • lee.bromley.39 - 2012-10-30 10:54

    I can't believe these are the first numbers that the SA Government decide to push, whilst telling us to let go of Apartheid in the same breath.

  • rodney.currie.79 - 2012-10-30 10:54

    The emphasis being on the word earned .

  • thedbz - 2012-10-30 10:55

    Ja well the government that the blacks vote into power are not capable of creating any opportunities for black people to create wealth generating mechanisms for themselves. So yes apartheid is responsible for part of the problem but the ANC is to blame for not being able to effectively start solving the problem. The ANC has wasted 18 years at the helm of this country. Poverty has increased since 1994. The truth hurts @siyabonga.khumalo.108

  • garth.breytenbach - 2012-10-30 10:55

    Pity the idiots writing this crap get paid!

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-10-30 10:56

    Census just a scam by ANC government to use against whites and use the apartheid card again. Getting sick of it. Reality check! Education opens doors. Strikes closes them forever. Stop living a life of entitlement and start your own business. Stop waiting for pay day!

  • nkadimeng - 2012-10-30 10:56

    Not about hard work or anything, just about Bosses mentality, for instance; a job is advertised and says salary negotiable, so now you got two guys (black & White) viaying for the same job, and are equally qualified with same number of years experience, in the boss's mind, the black guy must be staying in the township somewhere, so he is probably renting a back room there and pays about R600/pm on rental and the white guy must be renting somewhere elite and probabably pays R4000/pm on rental, same goes for transport, the black guy would normally take taxi and the white drives and therefore need petrol money, examples are plenty, depending on what the excact salary is for this jobs (which the employer knows)if it is figured that black guy can actually do the job, he will be offered a job and get screwed on the money.

      john.fourie.18 - 2012-10-30 11:01

      This might be true, but it may also be because the black guy undervalues himself by asking for the R 4 000 instead of the R 6 000. But I have read research somewhere that highly skilled black people are paid more than whites with the same skill set because they are headhunted to get the BEE targets set. They basically have the pick of lucrative jobs. But the emphasis is on highly skilled Black people.

      nkadimeng - 2012-10-30 11:21

      @John, i agree with you on the highly skilled inviduals, nut when we talk of, say entry level job, chances are the black guy would take on anything that comes (chances are they might even non market related salary just to survive, on the other hand white guy might be from a finacially heathy home and would actualy not jump to wharever is thrown at them)but times are slowly changing, and you do get those bosses that look beyond such factors.

      john.fourie.18 - 2012-10-30 11:59

      To be honest, if I budget R 6 000 p/m for a certain job and a competent Black guy stands against a competent White guy and asks for R 2 000 less, I am not going to tell him "Hey, listen, I will employ you for R 6 000." I am going to hire him for what he asked for. On the other hand, I hate these "make up your own salary" type job adverts. They should tell you what they are going to pay and be done with it. Then you can decide whether you want to apply or not.

  • renard.souza - 2012-10-30 10:56

    It's still the white mans fault I suppose, speak to ur government they earning 10 times more than whites, haha

  • mrova.blaza - 2012-10-30 10:57

    Where is Julius Malema when you need him most !!!! I always suspected that I earn less than my counter-parts.

      Vlooie1 - 2012-10-30 11:02

      F juiluis malema is an idoit best part of him when down his mothers legs

      richard.hipkin - 2012-10-30 14:36

      Malema is sitting in his palace sipping Johnny Walker... oh, wait, he's black...

  • gany.mede.752 - 2012-10-30 10:57

    This really is an "ingenious" way of putting things. The "number" of people in the black population is what is making this statistic look so skewed. I'm certain if you took the same statistic in Mexico against some minority group you would have exactly the same. It really has very little to do with race but more to do with the number of people in that race group - In any population in the world with the growth in numbers of that population you get a growth in disparity between income (even in the race group). Im certain if you marked the high ranking ANC officials + affiliates as their own race group and compared that to white and black they would be right at the top of both income growth and high earners. Its not a race thing its an economics thing.

      john.fourie.18 - 2012-10-30 11:07

      I agree. 8 out of 10 people are Black (and I have a suspicion this does not include the constitutional definition of "black", which includes Colored people and Indians, it is just so-called "African Blacks"). If we assume that this country can support, say, 1 million people in the R 365 000 p/a income bracket, it would be interesting to see the demographics of that group.

  • godpray.molebeledi - 2012-10-30 10:58

    We speak of democracy in our own back yard yet an un-educated un-expirience white South Africän stil tákes home 80% plus 15% of whát a highly educated well expirienced black citizen home. do we blame the Unions or our goverment for this? I mean Amaricä made it why cant we?

      FUNKMASTERFLEX.AKA.BAIN - 2012-10-30 11:30

      Maybe cause due to BEE whites have started their own companies.Then whites can employ who they like which makes you point sound just a little true.Also whites have less children....makes a big difference. You cant compare us to america.We dont have their labour laws .I have worked in the states and if u were late more than twice,you could loose your job.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-30 10:58

    Well its true, but they can't stop making noise about BBBEE

  • vandeventer.sarel - 2012-10-30 10:59

    Its getting better. By the next census it will be much closer. Educating a nation takes time, u cant expect more change than that in 18years.

  • ravin.govinden - 2012-10-30 11:00

    The 2 million people living is shacks is foreigners

      David Steyn - 2012-10-30 11:14

      Well said Ravin and yet we hear so little about what these people are costing the country and its people.

  • baldersnatch - 2012-10-30 11:00

    I'm assuming this is because half the country depends on social grants and because the government fails at job creation. This also points to the education gap. You cannot pay somebody with no skills who digs up dirt and a qualified medical professional the same.

  • eric.f.moloi - 2012-10-30 11:00

    In most working places where education is nt a preference,colour bar is an advantage to whites,no matter hw u cn defend it,it will remain like tht,colour is a BIG problem in this country

  • arno.gericke.9 - 2012-10-30 11:01

    The last sentence says it all "Expanded unemployment among blacks was nearly 50%, while only around 10% among whites.", as Zuma would say "That's where the difference comes. . .". That explains it all, whites create value instead of sitting and waiting for the government to do something for them . . .not trolling just stating the obvious. I respect anybody doing their own thing, black - white - indian - asian, what I cannot stand are the guys who keep waiting for the government to look after them and keep blaming the past. Have more respect for the guy selling cigarettes at a soccer match, than the CEO of a company who's put there to window dress because of some bulls#1t law.

  • cage.rattler - 2012-10-30 11:02

    It would be useful to see the median and not the average...

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-10-30 11:03

    28.4% had grade 12 in SA... No skills, no employment prospects and no economical growth!

  • cynic.martian.3 - 2012-10-30 11:03

    Taking population into account, the above means that 'Blacks' earn 67% of all income earned. Thus, I think what is more interesting is how that 67% is divided...

  • bobese.manyani - 2012-10-30 11:03

    Most white people have businesses that is why they take home more money than the rest of other race. Some inherited business and some were given money to start thier own by wealthy parents which is not the case for other races. it will take time and I guess this is the economic freedom Malema was talking about and was shut down unfortunately by his own people. the struggle continues to liberate the black people of SA whilst it has to be said that some are milking the government of every cent while majority are struggling in shacks and rural areas. we cant blame that on apartheid and white people. it must be sorted by those in power currently its their mess.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-30 11:31

      My dad worked for the same company for 30 years. They then screwed him over, so he started his own company with the money he saved up. True some whites get help, but most don't. My dad grew up dirt poor, also on welfare. They couldn't even afford shoe laces. Yet he worked hard to make sure he made a success of things. There are many blacks that do this. Others (there are whites too) are just lazy-a$$es that expect handouts.

  • gordon.turner.37 - 2012-10-30 11:03

    Comparing basic data is the work of a lazy minded reporter / statistician They should compare equally qualified people before they compare race. Comparing a council worker or truck driver to a CA, Engineer or company owner is stupid.

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-10-30 11:03

    Its because they're well educated since most have no option but to go to private schools, cause of a FAILED cANCer education system, and they WEK!!! They WEK very hard and dont simply dance around chanting like animals with spears and panga's!

  • WHMuller - 2012-10-30 11:03

    Now we know why the census was actually conducted... To spread more racial hatred and division.

      zukile.mbengo - 2012-10-30 11:19

      It was not even accurate

      lwazi.sithole.9 - 2012-10-30 13:17

      they done to provide us with a means to see where we're headed, not to find another racial argument...

  • mick.puzone - 2012-10-30 11:04

    and this will increase as more skills leave the country, the population with these skills will keep on earning more. so as long as we have limpopo eduction debacle we will never get the gap to close. BEE, EE, zim laws dont help. you need generations to qualify in meaningful jobs

  • mfana.khuzwayo.1 - 2012-10-30 11:04

    Sad ... 1994-2012, issue still uresolved.