SA farmers looking north
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SA farmers looking north

2012-11-20 08:51

Johannesburg - More than 50 farmers a month are inquiring about Agri SA's involvement with agricultural projects elsewhere in Africa, Beeld reported on Tuesday.

During the last two weeks, countless farmers from the Western Cape had also made inquiries, Dirk Hanekom, executive head of AgriSAMoz, told the newspaper.

According to Hanekom, around 950 South African farmers already had farming interests in Mozambique.

"Around 60% of them are actively involved... in a wide range of farms, the biggest of which I'd say are sugar, banana and cattle farms," Hanekom said.

South African farmers had also moved to Botswana, Zambia and the Congo, while 28 other African countries had asked Agri SA to become involved with ensuring food security for their economies.

Agri SA vice president Theo de Jager said there were several reasons for South African farmers wanting to move north.

"Land claims result in uncertainty. There's not a single banana farm without a land claim, and running costs, in particular electricity, and labour costs are extremely high.

"In Mozambique, electricity costs a fraction of what it costs here," De Jager said.

Comments
  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:01

    Once the farmers have left we will have to import food. Thanks cANCer you stuffed up again.

      jonathancfarrell - 2012-11-20 09:11

      Can we import electricity from Moz too? I think that will even be cheaper to import then Es"Con" conning us with their excessive increases

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-20 09:18

      More than half the food consumed in SA is already imported. Nothing new.

      pieroleroux - 2012-11-20 09:21

      Moz is probably getting their power from South Africa, making a profit and still be a quarter of the price of Joburg power

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:21

      We already import electricity from Moz.

      jacques.devilliers.16 - 2012-11-20 09:27

      Blip where do you get that info??? Its not true

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:47

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-20 10:01

      Electricity is like Stainless Steel. We export it to Japan etc., re-import it, and it is still cheaper than Iscor steel. Somebody has to pay for the unproductivity of our labour force.

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-11-20 10:03

      No where in this article does it mention the farm murders as one of the reasons.....

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-11-20 10:49

      Dont blame them. Besides the "economical" factors,they are walking around with a bulls eye on their backs. They are just targets for murder.its no longer a case of if but rather when!

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-11-20 12:22

      semonatenate: Even if you are wealthy enough to afford the inevitable price spiral upwards because of the global situation and SA's dependence on imported food you will not be able to ignore these effects on the millions of people in SA who are not so well off. Consider also people who are sufficiently mobile to move to a better environment, who will go because the situation here becomes untenable. Do you have any idea how violent people become when they cannot afford food? Further spiral down.... BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR...Chinese Proverb!

      bullet.proof.9400 - 2012-11-20 17:06

      Can't blame the farmers. The cANCer hates them intensly and is waging a low key genocide against the whites. just to remove them from the land. When they are all gone see how food prices rocket and there will be massive shortages as the rand will be too weak to pay for imports. Then the cANCer will blame the whites and apartheid and Hendrik Verword etc but never themselves. The cANCer is the worst thing that happened to this country. They dragging everything down with the the scum bags> I wish they can just F Off

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-20 09:01

    Can the govenrment not understand that if the farmers leave South Africa is done??? I really can't understand how the ANC can allow this to happen. They are just after money and power now and with Zuma at the head of it all South Africa is looking grim.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-20 09:21

      Whatever makes you think SA is wholly dependent on local food production? Half of what is eaten is imported already. We export minerals and we import food. These days airfreight brings thousands of tonnes of overseas food to your table even fresher and cheaper than local produce.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-11-20 09:21

      Is it not strange how the rest of Africa have woken up to the fact the certain skills are needed, thus asking our farmers to come and assist them. I suppose it is a matter of you do not not what you have until you do not have it anymore. And how far will the ANC go allowing the destruction of our country to continue before they see the light.

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-11-20 09:28

      Hey, at least they'll have their land to keep them warm and fed! So short-sighted. Whilst the rest of the world worry about future food production, the ANC are knowingly destroying SA's.

      rebecca.sepiwe - 2012-11-20 09:42

      @blip.noodlum yes, we do import a lot of food, however, the labourers of the other countries that send food here alos do not get paid a lot. Do your research. If we lose our local produce, then we will have to import more food and I can garuantee you that that will cost more, especially for more rural communities where people rely on the produce of local farmers. Running costs are killing our commercial farms and subsistance farming cannot feed the majority of the country. If we do increase all the running costs, we also have to increase the product prices. Unfortunately this is how economies work, wether we like it or not. It is a horrible cycle. Government should subsidize local farmers more, that way they can pay their workers more and land claims should be finalized soon to allow the commercial farmers a sense of security, irrespective of race - old land owners keeping their land can continue as normal and new land owners can start a business.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:47

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-11-20 09:58

      People wonder why post independent African countries go down the hole. The ANC is showing you blow by blow how it is done.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-11-20 12:06

      I live in Kenya and most of Kenya's organic vegetables goes to SA as well as their flowers. Packaged, priced in SA rand - heading straight to the shops.

      rontheogre - 2012-11-20 15:13

      Blip, you need to do your research. The DTI and World Bank states food imports to SA as a percentage of total imports is 5,84%. We also export 30% more foodstuffs than we import.

  • jonathancfarrell - 2012-11-20 09:02

    There you go! Look what your strikes, your land claims, racism to white farmers are doing! Now you will have even less jobs

  • fred.murgatroyd - 2012-11-20 09:02

    well done anc. Now we can fulfil your desire of turning South Africa into a typical banana republic (even though no bananas) and we can hold the begging bowl out to the despised west, or China I suppose. From self-supporting to beggars .... I suppose then everyone should be equal, except the anc heirarchy.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-20 09:22

      We stopped being "self-supporting" around the time of World War 2.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:47

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

  • kevin.jacobs.1044 - 2012-11-20 09:02

    Let's not forget about safety and well being of the farmers and their families.

  • shaun.mcclelland.31 - 2012-11-20 09:02

    I am in the market to by a farm. But certainly not in South Africa although I live here. South Africa has becaome an Apartheid State in reverse.

      jacques.devilliers.16 - 2012-11-20 09:47

      Blip are lying about the imported food. Did the farm boys beat you up in school nerd blip or is it Blap...probably you got alot of that. Hehehe!! Its funny how Jealouse you are of white people!! Shame i kinda feel sorry for you.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-11-20 12:09

      @JacquesdV: SA actually does import food, sometimes even maize which is the staple diet of most Safricans.I live in Kenya and most of Kenya's organic vegetables goes to SA as well as their flowers. Packaged, priced in SA rand - heading straight to the shops. Do yourself a favour and read the labels, some might come in their raw form and gets processed here.

  • brett.scheepers - 2012-11-20 09:07

    I have met quite a few SA farmers that are now working or helping emerging farmers in Europe.They seem to be doing very well and happier there.When will the ANC wake up and see that SA can't afford to lose it's farmers?In a few years SA will be on UN food aid programs if this carries on.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-20 09:23

      We already import more food than we export.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:48

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

      delish7564 - 2012-11-20 11:30

      @brettinlux, the bottom line is.....they don't care, because then they will have achieved their objective, to get rid of all the whites, who let's face it are "to blame for everything", apparently or is that just the West collectively :(

  • nico.leroux1 - 2012-11-20 09:13

    I understand guys!! It is clear that the government have no interest in our farmers! Let the next groot trek begin!

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-11-20 09:43

      Blip, what is your pluck??? Nobody wants to be "the baas"? What the hell are you on about?????

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:48

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-11-20 09:56

      @blip. ANC is 'die baas' already, since 1994 incase you haven't realized

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-20 09:17

    Window-shoppers aren't buyers.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-20 09:48

      Blip Blip off, you are uninformed.

      Brian Dorning - 2012-11-20 09:54

      I'd say it more like research, or exploring other options.

      patrick.mbense - 2012-11-20 09:58

      Whats it like to be annoying and hated?? Ask Blip people!! You a knob Blip. Someone who thinks they know everything! Feel sorry for your wife my friend!

      linda.duits - 2012-11-20 11:55

      Blip I see you irritate the living bejeebies of other people too who read Beeld, Rapport and Nuus24. Have you got nothing better to do? If you want to start an argument or state something I think you should do research first.

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-11-20 09:19

    How can they be this stupid, or is there a big picture that eludes me?

      Eze Nwata - 2013-06-30 13:49

      It's obviously the fact dat the govet are absent in the life of people.

  • John - 2012-11-20 09:21

    Is the ANC looking to use local bananas to feed the banana republic??

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-20 09:22

    I see there are no thumbs down here. Where are you vermin? Seeing the the truth? Hating the truth? cANCer must die a sudden death!

  • anthea.lagrange - 2012-11-20 09:23

    I have heard that the farmers who already have moved further north are being treated like royal game because the governments actually appreciate their skills and hard work. They have already been through the learning curve we are still going through now , and value experienced skilled farmers and treat them well.

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-11-20 09:47

      Athena, I think it was about 2 weeks ago on Carte Blanche the president of the Congo actually had a meeting with Carte Blanche on how he applauded the SA farmers moving up and how the government will help with anything they can. In SA the president thinks food just comes from his kitchen.

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-20 09:25

    Once argiculture falls, the whole country will die a slow and painful death....thanks to the ANC.

      jacovniek - 2012-11-21 10:46

      Any country that cannot generate its own food, falters.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-11-20 09:25

    South African farmers are helping other African countries to export food. Here at home we sing "Kill the boer, Kill the Farmer ..." And we kill our food producers by their thousands. Zim fever has taken hold.

  • kearabetswe.matome - 2012-11-20 09:25

    While I do agree that the govt introduces uncertainty and their inadequate support for farmers of all hues is lamentable, there is a mischievous tendency - if not downright insulting - that farmers are not business people.I have a few family members and friends who farm commercially and the problems they come across are not those faced by farmers in other African countries. A case in point is that cattle farmers in Botswana have a govt subsidy - go ahead and try to bid against her in an auction in Lechtenburg for a stud bull and you'll break the bank. Another example is that the sugar farmers mentioned above get huge tracks of land at rediculous prices to farm in the DRC. Farmers are business people and although I 100% agree that there are push factors, seems the majority of South Africans are oblivious to what other countries are doing to attrack local farmers or worse, think that farming is some sort of selfless calling.FARMING IS A BUSINESS and as such it's participants will go anywhere where the cost of business is lower.

      kearabetswe.matome - 2012-11-20 12:32

      Fair enough Simon My point is that South Africans - or rather, your average n24 commenter - adopts either one of two myopic views. It's either the "govt screws up/caANCer" chorus or the "if you dont like it you must foetsek" stance without a proper interrogation of facts. Whether or not farmers leave because of very bad push factors or - in my humble opinion - very good pull factors, is something that govt must address in equal measure. And priorotise as a matter of urgent (national) security as the other African countries have done.MHO is that govt does stuff up but N24 readers - at least a majority of those that comment - are disingenuous or frugal with the truth or at the very least, are unaware of the huge advantages farming in other countries have .Some of these are 1.very low lease agreements 2.Easier access to markets 3.Low if any cost of insurance.Risk lies with govt rather than a bank. 4.No/ low water costs 5.Unregulated labour market. While this might be an advantage to some, worker explotation is highly frowned upon in some industries and markets as shown by "fair trade" agreements etc. The SA govt needs to actively engage people with farming experience to both benefit emerging and established farmers. To think South African can in future survive without any of these two is a fantasy we cannot afford.

      rontheogre - 2012-11-20 15:27

      Kearabetswe, you do not perhaps have aspirations to become our minister of Agriculture, as you seem to have a good grasp of what is needed to survive as a business farmer locally and internationally. You are quite correct regarding the pros and cons in SA. The SA farmers are playing the farming game with the deck stacked against them, irrespective of skin colour or product that they produce. Most other countries realise the strategic importance of agriculture and back them all the way, be it with funding, subsidies, education, labour, access to markets locally and overseas(including road, rail and air infrastructure), etc.

  • juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-20 09:28

    And so we are losing our national assets little by little. Thanks ANC

  • Carol Benater - 2012-11-20 09:43

    well done ANC and Strikers!!!!!!!

  • kearabetswe.matome - 2012-11-20 09:46

    While I do agree that the govt introduces uncertainty and their inadequate support for farmers of all hues is lamentable, there is a mischievous tendency - if not downright insulting - that farmers are not business people.I have a few family members and friends who farm commercially and the problems they come across are not those faced by farmers in other African countries. A case in point is that cattle farmers in Botswana have a govt subsidy - go ahead and try to bid against her in an auction in Lechtenburg for a stud bull and you'll break the bank. Another example is that the sugar farmers mentioned above get huge tracks of land at rediculous prices to farm in the DRC. Farmers are business people and although I 100% agree that there are push factors, seems the majority of South Africans are oblivious to what other countries are doing to attrack local farmers or worse, think that farming is some sort of selfless calling.FARMING IS A BUSINESS and as such it's participants will go anywhere where the cost of business is lowwer.

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-11-20 12:36

      But you are maybe missing the point.....and that is that SA is not providing a business competitive environment to discourage farmers from leaving or to attract them back. Also consider that it is not only farmers who are internationally mobile, it is also many other groups who are savvy, educated and qualified. As SA is becoming less attractive (for whatever reason) these valuable resources will go elsewhere, mostly never to return! Whilst it may meet politico-social ideals it is surely the height of arrogance to undermine the countries resources in the service of political expediancy and votes?

      kearabetswe.matome - 2012-11-20 14:48

      ***Apologies for posting the same comment twice*** @criticallyHonesty - THAT IS my point ! Rather than crying buckets about ANC this ANC that (Rightly so, but that's not my point)and besides everything unfortunate happening in our farming communities - I dont think the average farmer will ignore all the wonderful benefits farming in other parts of Africa bring.At least she will consider this as demonstrated by 50 of them ENQUIRING per month.But the average N24 commenter does'nt think of the business opportunities farmers have available. Rather,it's all (and ONLY)the push factors they seem to trump. Other African countries are more and more attractive. And yes, not just farmers ! Africa is becoming less of a cesspool and more of a possible home for many people with all the oil & minerals discovered and for an average South African in the corporate world - SA companies looking more and more North. What the govt need to do is counter this loss of critical resources & introduce new players. The political expediency - especially of the type practiced today in SA - will be our downfall. Many a lamb have been sacrified at the alter of political expediency and I'm afraid skilled farming entrepreneurs are one of these. That said, I'm strongly for the development of emerging farmers and hope they play an equally meaningfull as their white countrymen.This is not expedience but in our country's best interest to have all its people play a meaningful role towards its economic success.

  • zelda.dickson - 2012-11-20 09:47

    I don't blame them. Security is a big issue.

  • Andrew Marriott - 2012-11-20 09:57

    south african farmers are tough. the great trek is still on going :) this is agricultures brain drain, what a loss for RSA

  • jason.marriott.75 - 2012-11-20 09:58

    High labor costs, R7.04 p/h really is that too high?

      jason.marriott.75 - 2012-11-20 12:26

      lol obviously we have allot of people that will work for less than R7.04 here on new24.. or is it that this fact, is one they don't want to hear!

      pieter.nel.kruger - 2012-11-20 14:22

      jason, you forget that they get free housing and food and medical help when working on a farm, I used to work for R6 per hour as a waiter with none of those benefits

      jason.marriott.75 - 2012-11-21 08:44

      LOL Waiters get tips Pieter as well as R6 an hour back when 15 years ago as a student when you still lived at home. Really free housing and food and medical aid... They might get 1 of the 3 the good hearted farmers who aren't racist and give their farm workers soo much! Spin your reality to make yourself sleep better at night!

      jacovniek - 2012-11-21 10:21

      Hi Jason... it really depends. If R7.04 is the ONLY remuneration, it is ridiculous and inhumane. However, take the following into consideration (talking subjectively, from the context of my father-in-law who is a farmer in the Freestate): (1) Free brick-house housing. (2) Free water and electricity. (3) Free portion of land for their own cattle. (4) Free maize each month; a full sheep for every family over Christmas. (5) Free medical and pension assistance. (6) Free transport on Fridays to go to town. (7) Free schooling for the children. Is R7.04 still too little?

  • hendrik.bruwer.3 - 2012-11-20 09:58

    sad to read this. south african farmers are well-skilled and a valuable asset to the country.

  • maria.ferreira1234 - 2012-11-20 10:00

    Good for them..... The whites should all leave. This country would become a war zone and people would die of starvation. Priority is to look after the goose (Our Farmers) that lays the golden egg. They put food on the table. Could be a little too late....

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-20 10:00

    Leave guys because maybe then these idiots in the ANC will see what the country are without you guys. They dont appreciate so let them feel. The way the ANC are treating the farmers are a injustice.

  • lulama - 2012-11-20 10:02

    Good luck to them, maybe our govt will learn to appreciate them. We need these skills for food security in the land of 'Azania'.

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-11-20 10:22

    thats very sad

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-20 10:28

    Petrol is also cheaper in Moz wonder why! cANCer

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-20 10:30

    That exculdes free housing free schools and free food you....

  • vaaldonkie.visagie - 2012-11-20 10:34

    I wouldn't mind checking out Botswana myself.

  • thabo.moela.547 - 2012-11-20 11:05

    In 1994 they ran to ZIM now is Botswana and Congo, i hope they dnt come back running again..

      jacovniek - 2012-11-21 10:10

      Such a troll... :) People with your mentality make me laugh. Have you never mastered the ability of intelligent thought? Too "white" for you?

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-11-20 12:01

    I am sorry to say that I cant blame them. They live in fear every day they are not appreciated and are threated by land reform. If I was a farmer as sad as it is to pull up your roots and leave especially if they are more appreciated and their families are safe, what stupid fool would turn that down. I believe that these countries in question are going to be stealing our business people as well. If there is no change in the leadership we are sure to see an exodus.

  • billyandrew.croucamp.5 - 2012-11-20 12:03

    This is the story of africa......same as Zim...I say let them starve...you reap what you sow.

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-11-20 12:27

    As a child in the UK during the post war period (1940-50s)I remember my parents occasionally receiving parcels of food from family living in the Western Cape. I was told then that South Africa was able to produce massive surpluses of a wide range of products. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT ABILTY??????

      david.smith.127648 - 2012-11-20 12:44

      The ANC happened!

  • morne.scheepers.58 - 2012-11-20 12:53

    Our striker in this country are unfortunately brainless, once all the farmers are left who is going to put the pap on old JuJu and Zuma's table? These idiots are destroying a beautiful country

  • lee.lubinda.5 - 2012-11-20 13:06

    Lol, this was long due, about 15 years ago. Sorry, we have also gone to the same schools for Agriculture and commercial farming. The different have been access to funding. xperience?, well, that is a jst a lame xcuse. Farming is not xclsve to any grouping of individuals....I wonder what qualifications Congo-bound farmers have, and don't tell me it’s in the blood, lol because it’s not; else everyone would be a farmer.

      TdJ01 - 2012-11-20 14:19

      Always an excuse, face it when you are useless you are useless.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-11-20 14:51

      that's right lee! Nooooo funding, even on government owned farms run by blacks. Instead they leave livestock at 6k a piece to die from starvation....... shame, everything has to be handed to you, and even then it won't work.

      noedig.greene - 2012-11-20 15:06

      Lee spot on buddy,well said

  • Brendon Lotter - 2012-11-20 13:46

    Yes, when SA sits without farmers and farms, we'll have to import food and fruit! Costs will skyrocket and then we'll see who cries the most! Other African countries see the value in our farmers and are actually inviting them, giving them land to farm and grow food! They laughing at SA as those countries are now moving forward and SA will become the sad case of Africa, just like Zimbabwe! I say, go for it Boere! Dont stay here and get murdered or raped from your land, go where you're appreciated! Good for you! Hope all our farmers get the opportunity to leave this God forsaken place!

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-11-20 13:54

    those leaving will come back soon...these countries will chase them sooner or later....South African is 1 of the best stable countries in Africa....guys y cant we sit down nd negotiate nd stop blaming the ANC government but work 2gether...to resolve issues pertaining to the future stability of SA economy at large...try to understand our democratically elect government.....putting our heads together for a better SA....

      lee.lubinda.5 - 2012-11-20 14:10

      They "proper farmers" are not intrestd in "for better" SA, profit and cheap labour outmst important to them.... Moza and Congo sure will be the right place...

      Duncan Colter - 2012-11-20 15:45

      The same ANC government which is tearing down houses in Lenasia leaving families homeless while trying to push for a totalitarian rule over SA. Proposed laws to prevent insults (and criticism) to the president for example.

      wo0two0t - 2012-11-21 07:03

      Maybe because we don’t like living in a complete mess called the ANC. Everything from basic services to education are all in shambles and we as the public are just supposed to take it up the tail pipe and say well-done ANC for giving us the tax payer who pays your salaries such pathetic service? Also since when can anyone negotiate with the ANC?!?

      jacovniek - 2012-11-21 10:12

      Sorry Mbuso, it's not true... I've travelled throughout Africa. I'd say Botswana, Rwanda, Ghana and Moz is far more stable. They are slowly getting it right.

  • TdJ01 - 2012-11-20 13:56

    Boy will we be screwed when all the proper farmers have left we will be stuck with the brainless idiots clamouring for "land" and the turn it into desert. Viva ANC!

  • noedig.greene - 2012-11-20 14:39

    The grass is not always greener on the other side, remember people in the medical fraternity had done it and they are now trickling back home with little money in their pockets & with their tails between their legs. As for security it seems farmers are being killed by their own wifes.

  • scott.gilchrist.1291 - 2012-11-20 14:55

    Zimbabwe here we come

  • Jackie White - 2012-11-20 16:33

    I wish these farmers all the best in the countries that have invited them there!! All the crap and greed going on in this cess pit is raping everyone that tries to earn a honest living. So I say go for it and produce where its affordable and appreciated.

  • jaun.lombard.9 - 2012-11-20 16:46

    Seer van Rensburg saw this coming...freedom is near!

  • Simon Maabe - 2012-11-20 18:48

    Don't be fooled by the actions of the anti-progress minority. Where they leave, they open an opportunity for land to be reclaimed, of which is what we want. Let them go, their ancestory line is here!

      phillys.winterbottom - 2012-11-21 08:59

      Simon, blacks taking over the land is REGRESS , not PROGRESS !!! Please please, please prove me wrong?

  • alananthonygreen - 2012-11-20 19:33

    You are an idiot Simon.

  • jacovniek - 2012-11-21 10:06

    The proverb "biting the hand that feeds you", has never been more true.

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