Report: Workers could get half of farms
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Report: Workers could get half of farms

2014-04-06 11:36

Johannesburg - Farmworkers on commercial farms could own half of the farms according to a new proposal government was considering, Rapport said on Sunday.

The proposal meant expropriating half of every commercial farm in South Africa and handing it over to farmworkers, according to the report.

The newspaper was in possession of a document named "Final Policy Proposals for Strengthening the Relative Rights of People Working the Land", which was discussed with agricultural organisations on Monday.

The historic owners would retain half of their farms and the state would pay for the 50% taken for the workers, Rapport said.

The money would not be paid to the farmowners but into a trust aimed at investing and developing the farm for all shareholders of the farm.

Unworkable

Farmworkers get shares in the farm based on the number of years of service and on the basis of their contribution in the development of the farm, according to the report.

The document was met with mixed reactions with Congress of SA Trade Union welcoming it while AgriSA said drafts of the policy proposals had already been opposed by them and other organisations in the sector.

AgriSA deputy president Theo de Jager said it was unworkable and probably unconstitutional.

"They could possibly lead to disinvestment in the sector and also threaten food security," he was quoted as saying.

Comments
  • ZNiPER - 2014-04-06 11:43

    Wtf !!!!!!!!!!!

  • ZNiPER - 2014-04-06 11:43

    Wtf !!!!!!!!!!!

  • NicBrink - 2014-04-06 11:43

    Clueless

  • Dagga Movement - 2014-04-06 11:44

    that is only fair

      Hawkeye Pierce - 2014-04-06 12:22

      Dagga, 2 Questions; Has it worked, does it worked, and have you done the math? 1; go back to Russia and the Communist revolution. They tried it and millions starved. The tried it in N. Korea and millions are starving. They did it in Zim the former "bread basket" of Africa and except for the millions who are now in SA they too are starving. #2 It's not working with "willing seller" and "willing buy" because the people getting the farms (upwards to 90%) don't want to be "commercial farmers" and you need commercial farmers unless everyone wants to farm and produce their own food. And for that you have about 40 million too many people in SA. So they either have to immigrate or die. #3 Same thing there isn't enough here to take from 10,000 commercial farmers and give to the 54,990,000 people. So the answer to all three is; IT DOES NOT AND NEVER HAS WORKED. So do you keep doing the same thing over and over again hoping for different results? Yes it sounds fair and great, but it just DOES NOT WORK. SA has so much to offer why not try and create more rather than take what is there and redistribute? SA could be a home to international companies. It could be training workers for new jobs that would result when those companies open up shop in SA. SA could create new farms through irrigation from desalination plants along the three sides of the country that have oceans. They could take gov. land and make farms. Don't do the same old thing do something new.

      Marlene Black - 2014-04-06 12:39

      Really? Ok, so you guys get half the farm, you have to pay half the wages, half the cattle feed, half the electricity. Half the taxes half the bond owing on the property. Does this still sound so nice? Get off your bum and go earn an honest living!!

      Marlene Black - 2014-04-06 12:40

      Hawk eye, why do you think they are suggesting it if it has not worked? Do you think they have not researched it?

      Bob Saint Smith - 2014-04-06 13:12

      So you can grow your crop of hash, you hash brown!

      Skyline Liao - 2014-04-06 13:15

      marlene, the word 'honest' does not exist in africa

      Clive Robert Jones - 2014-04-06 13:51

      ALL parasites act in this way,never realizing that weakening their hosts,will, lead their own demise. Parasites come in all sorts of shapes and

      lacrimosewolf - 2014-04-06 14:28

      Yes Zimbabwe also 'researched' it for 20 years. Now they need US$90m in food aid or 2mllion people will die of hunger

      Ronald Gibson - 2014-04-06 14:31

      Marlene, did they do the research on e-Tolls? Apparently not. Did they do their research on the effect Nkandla would have on the opinion of the population? Apparently not. The same goes for their changes in education and health. If they did, they would have seen that trends in the rest of the world where these policies were implemented were mostly a fiasco.

      Blameer Boesman - 2014-04-06 16:43

      Living proof that dagga alters your mind to a point of no return.

      Audrey Pearl Meyer - 2014-04-06 18:08

      Fair to whom? The government is clueless and one of these days the country is going to be foodless - but what the hell people are acutally to stupid to comprehend WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Lukas Ekisjouvaader - 2014-04-06 11:45

    And the non-commercial farms? Typical, only want half of something that is already successful.

      Lukas Ekisjouvaader - 2014-04-06 12:09

      Got the answer on my own question - the non commercial farms already belong to the "comrades".

  • Shirley Bisschoff - 2014-04-06 11:45

    SA is in BIG trouble!!!!

      Vérité Un - 2014-04-06 13:34

      This will never be implemented.

  • Lukas Ekisjouvaader - 2014-04-06 11:46

    Another question, after the commercial farm failed (like everything else), does it go back to the original owner?

      Marlene Black - 2014-04-06 12:42

      There is nothing left to go back - it's just barren, poisoned ground.

  • Wehr Wulf - 2014-04-06 11:47

    Start preparations to leave SA. Anybody who thinks this place has a future is very misguided.

      Audrey Pearl Meyer - 2014-04-06 19:03

      Oh I TOTALLY agree with you. NO FUTURE WHATSOEVER - a clown stays a clown

  • chantal.masson - 2014-04-06 11:47

    Eish !!!!

  • Alain Smit - 2014-04-06 11:47

    Boom en daar gaan SA.

  • Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 11:48

    I sure hope our readers don’t just shoot this down. In fact, it may be the solution to the never ending arguments about current government land distribution that obviously doesn’t work. It will provide the best opportunity we will ever have to prove which part of the farm can deliver what farmers are supposed to deliver: food at reasonable prices. I am all for this. Yes, if I had a farm I would offer it as the first opportunity. Just think about having no moiré need for land legislation, ministers, committees, strikes or farm murders. It may be the road to paradise.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2014-04-06 11:52

      Do you own a farm? No? Next it will be your business! Tough!

      Kings Nkosi Sphamandla - 2014-04-06 11:56

      For once someone who thinks before commenting. Thank you sir, it's refreshing to see some people still have the ability to use their brains on this site.

      Bosman Kruger - 2014-04-06 12:22

      Will this then mean I don't have to pay them anymore?

      Rudi Mzu - 2014-04-06 12:25

      IF YOU HAD A FARM ... DUH !! Dizzy !

      Paul Le Roux - 2014-04-06 12:42

      Ike. If you had you farm you say... You don't. So please, stop commenting on something that you don't have a clue about! Please set the example then and give up half your business and let us know in a year's time how that worked out for you. Oh let me guess, you probably don't own one either...

      Marlene Black - 2014-04-06 12:47

      Ike - what are you smoking? They do not have the skills nor the desire to make a success of it. They want the bit that has all the improvements and they want to park off - eat all the produce and then abandon it and demand another piece of land. An ostrich farm was handed to blacks as a successful business. Within months all the birds were either eaten or dead from disease.

      Janneman Poggenpoel - 2014-04-06 12:49

      Ike just overtook Jon Low as the biggest idiot on news24, well done old chap.

      Master Builder - 2014-04-06 13:06

      You will be naive to think it will stop there, the more the majority get the more they take from the whites, they wont stop until its all gone.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:20

      No Armstrong, I don’t own a farm; never wanted to and never will but I live in a rural area and have daily contact with the farming community. From what I have seen around me if I had a farm I would do what I suggest in my comment.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:21

      Thank you, Kings.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:28

      Paul, I worked for big companies in the financial world for just about half of my career; the second half I had my own business. I retired 13 years ago this past February and live in the bliss of self-imposed voluntary poverty. I am on your side, my friend. Do read my comments carefully; it is a solution for the problem and will prove that you are right in what you feel. See my reply to Armstrong.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:30

      Marlene, I am a pipe smoker of 43 years standing. I smoke pure Fox. Read my replies to other comments on my comment and smile.

      Ronald Gibson - 2014-04-06 14:50

      It was tried on two of the biggest commercial farms in SA, one producing tomatoes and the other producing world quality tea. Both failed spectacularly despite huge funds thrown at it and numerous attempts at teaching the new owners how to farm and interventions to try and save the situation. There are more if you care to do your research. These farms or shares are given to people that have no experience or real interest in commercially operating a farm, never mind having any formal education at University or Agri College. Just working there is no guarantee of absorbing the knowledge and experience when it is just a job.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:50

      Bosman, who can predict the future in Africa? But it may just turn out that you will be right in the end.

      Angie Swanepoel - 2014-04-06 14:51

      You need yr head read. We had a farm that was sold to the government 3 yrs ago....it was fully productive. Now there is nothing left..pivots broken down. You wouldn't even have known there was any farming ever there. It was given to a mp's friend who has 50 head of cattle.

      Angie Swanepoel - 2014-04-06 14:51

      You need yr head read. We had a farm that was sold to the government 3 yrs ago....it was fully productive. Now there is nothing left..pivots broken down. You wouldn't even have known there was any farming ever there. It was given to a mp's friend who has 50 head of cattle.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:54

      Edward, the ‘eish’ word is everyday colloquialism out our way. I love it when a farmer uses it.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:57

      Dankie Janneman. I won’t tell you what my ex-wife calls me.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 14:58

      Rudi, you lost me on this one. Kindly fill me in.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 15:00

      Master, that’s when you tell them to eat cake or .....

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 15:04

      Ronald, what you say most people have seen but the problem is that some will never understand until they own the farm; when they have to pay the workers and sell the produce to China ….. Give them a chance to learn for themselves what the real world is all about.

      rice.safari - 2014-04-06 16:37

      But you do not own a farm. Idiot.

      Audrey Pearl Meyer - 2014-04-06 18:15

      IKE if you are on pills please do not lose that name - you can become very rich from it. Dream on - this is Africa

  • Alain Smit - 2014-04-06 11:48

    People in SA is @#$ delusional

  • Aquila Ka Hecate - 2014-04-06 11:49

    It's another election-time ploy.

  • Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2014-04-06 11:50

    Half a theft is still a theft! Goodbye food.

  • NickvanGraan - 2014-04-06 11:51

    Just before elections one normally sees these crazy vote catching schemes ..

  • Riaan Nolan - 2014-04-06 11:51

    And after this, nothing will change, no one will be richer, the farm workers will get a couple of hundred, perhaps a few will get a couple of thousand monthly, and the farm workers and the ANC will still say the boer is richer, and then another bill will be passed that takes the other 50% and gives it to the farm workers. And now again no one will be better off. Each farm worker will again get a couple of hundred/thousand more and the boer will be blamed for reaping "all" the rewards and leaving the farm to go backwards and eventually shut down. Go ANC, now you've accomplished nothing. again.

      lacrimosewolf - 2014-04-06 12:28

      I think plenty will change. A whole commercial farm is probably commercially viable. Half is probably not. And if we look at our neighbour who tried something similar, the workers who now own those farms don't have the tools or the nous to farm what they have. So everyone loses - and starves

  • Derrick Shezi348 - 2014-04-06 11:52

    A late April Foll's joke? If true, then it will bring to an end the proctracted strikes in this sector as workers now become owners!

      Riaan Nolan - 2014-04-06 11:58

      Nope, the strikes will continue, because the "owners" will end up getting a monthly "payout" and when that is not enough, they will strike again. It will never stop, unless the "owners" take "responsibility" and that is what they lack when you did not "create" anything.

  • Valerie Vale - 2014-04-06 11:58

    Seriously not going to work!

  • Thobi Milano Pheto - 2014-04-06 12:00

    As sensitive Land redistribution is. Something has to be done. If you oppose the policy kindly back your objection with an Idea cause im tired of hearing land this and land that. The sooner we fix these problem the better. These are the very things that are holding up the growth of our economy..... farmers should sit with the government and come up with logical and best solutions to our countries inequality and poverty

      Riaan Nolan - 2014-04-06 12:04

      Together with this plan, put into law, that you can only get shares once you have graduated from some kind of school or diploma. Ownership goes hand in hand with Education. Education is key to this and somehow it's always left out, sometimes I think, on purpose!

      Carmen Nel - 2014-04-06 12:10

      this is not the solutuon: farms given to workers in our area are dormant and not being worked: we must educate them first, in business management and farming. I want them to be successful not frustrated. They will never agree with the landowner over anything, history has proved that.

      George Slade - 2014-04-06 12:17

      RUBBISH Thobi ! Both Zimbabwe & RSA were the food baskets of Africa when run by White Farmers .It appears the ANC just wont accept ----Sorry to hell with it --I,m wasting my time --OUT .

      Bosman Kruger - 2014-04-06 12:18

      The solution is very simple. The simplest of them all is to go to Propert24. Click on farms for sale. There is literarily 10s-of-1000s of farms for sale by willing sellers nationaly. The Government and ANC are makibg a issue of a non-issue.

      WILLIAM H. - 2014-04-06 12:50

      Thobi, Why should our farmers give up their land???..you people wan't everything for MAHALA!!!!....

      Stephanie Sutherland - 2014-04-06 13:34

      GO ask the government of South Africa to share the land of all the farms they have already bought, that has failed and laying abandoned. Ask they why the people they bought the farms for sold them back to farmers, and now they want to take half again after they already failed once. The government has farms on their books that are laying fallow and without occupants due to being abandoned by the recipients who couldn't do anything with the land to feed themselves. Go ask the government to share those farms with the people before trying to take more farmland and destroying the farms that put the food on the Shoprite shelf for you to buy. But if you want to starve due to another election knee jerk reaction by government, then go ahead, I am not the one that will starve or send taxes to aid you.

      Henning Pantke - 2014-04-06 14:18

      Okey Thobi, you have a houseworker (realistically or hypothetically), now government comes in and tells you, your house is worth R1mio, we will pay you R500k, which will mean half of your house now belongs to your houseworker. Oh yes, just remember, you will never receive the R500k, and the R500k you never received is coming from that tax money you pay, so basically you are paying money towards yourself, which you cant keep, and also loosing 50% of the asset you paid for in the first place. How logical is that?

      Audrey Pearl Meyer - 2014-04-06 18:20

      Yes Farmers can sit with government and ask them stop spending money on partys and Kentucky and luxary cars and mansions and the list goes on and on - sorry but government I do not think can come up with logical and best solutions for any damn thing

  • Juvan Potgieter - 2014-04-06 12:00

    I totally completely disagree with this! What's next your housemate/butler owns half of your house?

      Genet Joobs - 2014-04-06 12:10

      No Juvan, they don't want half a house, they will want the entire house.

  • Gideon Van Zyl - 2014-04-06 12:01

    Campaigning between the poor again I see

  • Jon Low - 2014-04-06 12:04

    Here's the election scam from ANC... Throw on a bit of anti-white vengeance and the lumpens are happy...

  • Imbo Empowering - 2014-04-06 12:04

    This is wonderful

      Genet Joobs - 2014-04-06 12:11

      Do you work on a commercial farm?

      Celeste Terblanche - 2014-04-06 12:16

      Clearly not a farm owner! How would you like it if the state took half of everything you owned without compensation?

      Vérité Un - 2014-04-06 13:36

      Yes, something else you can destroy.

  • Anthony Richardson - 2014-04-06 12:04

    And what of the improvements? Silos, sheds, tractors, implements, existing loans over the farm? Do they get 50% of that as well? Who will provide the working capital for the next seasons harvest, will the farmworkers carry 50% of the risk/debt if the crop fails? It's a pipe dream so stick it in your pipe and smoke it!

      Lois Bruce - 2014-04-06 17:53

      I agree - people's perceptions that farmers are so rich is soooo far from the truth! Farmers that have started their farms with a packet of seeds and built it up from there - they must give up 50% for free? Never gonna happen, not in this lifetime not ever!!

  • Mashaedos Karabo - 2014-04-06 12:05

    Malema 'we are nt taking away your land, wht we saying is lets share the land you st ole from us'.......lol

      Siyabonga Khombulwandle - 2014-04-06 12:47

      ewe karabo thts our forefathers land lets share it half 4 bass n half 4 me lol

      Kevin Marsh - 2014-04-06 13:30

      Tosser of note .

      Stephanie Sutherland - 2014-04-06 13:37

      So you are Khoi San, because you don't look Khoi San, They own Southern Africa, the Xhosa and Zulu don't come from Southern Africa, they moved and stole land from other tribes killing them and enslaving them. Not your land, San land. Stop stealing what's not yours !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Brad Smith - 2014-04-06 12:05

    Words fail me but its not entirely unexpected. Been seeing this coming and my plans are made and nearly completed. This country wont go quite as far down as zim but I do believe there will be conflict and not between white and black. More between haves and have onus. I also do believe malema when if says civil war is possible.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 15:16

      Brad, that’s hitting the nail on the head; dead centre too. That is the real issue; nothing will be solved until we address that problem. But, unfortunately, that is the secret that the have-nots must never discover. Race and colour has long not been the issue, if it ever was, but it is held out to be the issue by the new-rich fat cats. What a mess?

  • Nkosingiphile Cofu - 2014-04-06 12:07

    This is the most progressive land reform proposal since 1994. Let us hope the govt will be brave enough to implement it.

      Riaan Nolan - 2014-04-06 12:10

      Bravery has got nothing to do with it anymore that Stupidity. The people should be educated, everyone who wants to be eligible should pass an exam, or some kind of diploma.

      Brad Smith - 2014-04-06 12:16

      progressive in what way? certainly not on food production and the inevitable food inflation that I can assure you.

  • johan.vandyk.9822 - 2014-04-06 12:08

    Zuma is so dom hy sal dit maklik probeer solank hy net vir homself kan sorg.

      Ike Jakson - 2014-04-06 16:17

      Reg, Johan

  • Paul Prinsloo - 2014-04-06 12:09

    Great, so can I now get 50% shares in the company I work for?

  • Seek Anfind - 2014-04-06 12:14

    geezuz.. I hope this is a belated april fools joke!!

  • Patrick Mettle - 2014-04-06 12:14

    Wonder if Tokyo Sexwale agrees to this proposal.With a commercial wine farm in Franschhoek worth R20 million, and a wine estate in Durbanville worth R113 million, I am sure his farmworkers must be drooling over this proposal.

  • Bokaba Collen - 2014-04-06 12:14

    Apartheid legacy getting shacked!

  • Woordelys - 2014-04-06 12:15

    Brilliant proposal. Now farm workers will finally share 50% of the worries, risk and liability. Since farm workers will determine their own income, farm owners can stop worrying about salary demands... Let's see how long it takes before the newly redistributed commercial farming land lays barren...

      Muis van den Heever - 2014-04-06 12:43

      I will be rolling with laughter once they realize how low the profit margins are and they all can't buy new X5's. Then they will receive the news that most of that money must go back into the farm to cover production, maintenance cost and taxes. I can see the head scratching with the big wrinkles on the forehead saying "haybo! But it is mine! Wena! I want my money now!!!"

      Sharon Mills - 2014-04-06 13:01

      Yes let's see they want everything but they don't evan know what 2 do with what they get

  • Patrick Mettle - 2014-04-06 12:15

    Wonder if Tokyo Sexwale agrees to this proposal.With a commercial wine farm in Franschhoek worth R20 million, and a wine estate in Durbanville worth R113 million, I am sure the farmworkers must be drooling over this proposal.

      Lizelle Van Wyk - 2014-04-06 13:10

      Well if his farms are in the Western Cape where the DA rules, it won't apply to him.

  • Fonnie Smit - 2014-04-06 12:23

    Do this law imply that white workers will benefit with "black" collegas.

  • Bosman Kruger - 2014-04-06 12:26

    Will this then mean I don't have to pay my labour any more? Or would they still want half my farm, with full pay and only work there portion? If I then employ new labour to work my remaining half will it then again be halved, and so on and so forth?

  • Nic Vin - 2014-04-06 12:28

    Ms Tina Joemat-Pettersson, the Minister of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries,has very few original ideas and is in conflict with the Public Prosecuter. This scheme is another example of clueless thinking. Concentrate on food security and it does not matter who grows the food.

  • Nigel Alfred Jopson - 2014-04-06 12:29

    A late April fools joke?

  • Rudi Mzu - 2014-04-06 12:30

    Do they take over half the bond and capital loans as well ?? Sounds like a plan hey ??

  • Nic Vin - 2014-04-06 12:36

    Something has to be done but this is not workable. The fact is that the number of commercial farmers is decreasing, the cost of food is actually beyond the reach of many people for their very large families, which they did not plan for. In Zambia KK woke one morning and said (rubbing the sleep from his eyes) land has no value, it belongs to the people of this hunanist (whatever that is?) society. Shortly after that Zambia went broke, became a basket case dependent on food aid (just as Zimbabwe is now under Mugabe). However in the fullness of time they woere able to welcome and invite the dispossesed Zim farmers to turn they situation around which they did in just 3 years. to not have read history is to be condemed to repeat it! CAPISCE?

  • Raymond Van Den Brink - 2014-04-06 12:38

    Sounds more like an April Fools joke.

  • Fannie Mashilo - 2014-04-06 12:44

    the question is does the government have stats to prove that out of 100% of the farms that are already taken how much % is productive and how much % is unproductive,and what are they going to do to ensure that this farmers are not going to ruin the already ruined industry.

  • Pat Aldrich - 2014-04-06 12:46

    SARS workers can now demand 50% of the income of the country and goverment officials 50% of the assets etc.

  • WILLIAM H. - 2014-04-06 12:46

    " The BOB SYNDROME "

  • Denise Oosthuizen Wilshire - 2014-04-06 12:47

    So who's dumb idea was that? Tina at her best again or an election ploy. Truly, we have the idiot brigade in our Parliament. Just when you think you have seen the bottom of the destructive barrel, they sink to a new low! GOD BLESS SOUTH AFRICA! We need to get rid of these undereducated racist parasites.

  • Ian Lowe - 2014-04-06 12:47

    There goes our food supply.

  • Janneman Poggenpoel - 2014-04-06 12:48

    Jip, it's coming, in order for the ANC to counter the red berets for votes they are moving fast to a populistic leftist direction. What thy dont know is that they will not be able to deliver on their promises. Hate to say it but the clock to all out civil war just click to 1 minute to midnight.

  • Sean Potgieter - 2014-04-06 12:53

    I can't believe economic policies like this are being discussed in 2014. It is reminiscent of Soviet-era communism. What are the workers going to do with their half? Burn it to the ground when they get tired of working??? Why must farmers who worked damn hard to get their businesses off the ground hand it over to a bunch of unionized goons that strike and dance more than they work???

  • WILLIAM H. - 2014-04-06 12:54

    A strategy to gain more votes!!!!!..This ANC bunch are ROTTEN TO THE CORE!!!!

  • Frans Rabalao - 2014-04-06 12:55

    Good thinking

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