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Pay rise for domestic workers

2012-11-19 11:35

Johannesburg - The minimum wage for domestic workers will increase from December but not by much, the labour department said on Monday.

The new increases in large cities would differ from those in small towns, said spokesperson Page Boikanyano.

In large cities, the rate for domestics workers who worked less than 27 hours per week would rise from R9.85 an hour to R10.48; from R165.94 per week to R285.62: and from R1 152.32 per month to R1 237.60.

The rate of those who worked more than 27 hours per week would go up from R8.34 an hour to R8.95; from R375.19 per week to R402.96; and from R1 625.70 per month to R1 746.

In small towns, those who worked more than 27 hours per week should receive the new rates of R7.65 per hour, R344.30 per week, and R1 491.86 per month.

Those who worked less than 27 hours should get the new rate of R9.03 per hour, R243.83 per week and R1 056.35 per month.

The increases were effective from December 1.

Boikanyano said spot inspections would be carried out to ensure compliance.

Comments
  • mofstok - 2012-11-19 11:48

    Come do a spot inspection you morons. I've not had a "domestic worker" for years because of your ridiculous levels of over-regulation and interference. Take your concept of job creation and shove it, the rest of us make other arrangements.

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-19 11:50

      I second that! The same here!

      braam.groenewald.39 - 2012-11-19 11:57

      guess i will just have to let my maid go then and clean after myself.

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-11-19 12:56

      Braam, if you are not paying way above those rates already, you are the problem.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:04

      Braam seriously If you are paying your domestic less than R130 per day then something is wrong boet. We pay ours 155 per day and all the extras. This is a person that takes care of your home and makes sure its clean. 10.48 per hour is ridiculous and anyone paying that is wrong.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:05

      if you cannot afford 120 rand a day, you should not have a domestic slave, greedy fools. white safas complain so much, but dont realize they often have it better than white people in 1st world countries

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:09

      iwould concede that you have a point if you werent talking rubbish just to back up your arguments. the fact is that you and all your chums can afford 120 rand a day, you just dont want to pay that so you talk all sorts of rubbish about the economy and the unemployment rate. the fact is that anyone who has a domestic worker and cannot afford to pay them 120 a day, should not have one. im willing to bet that the vast majority who have a domestic worker, will have no problem affording 120 a day

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:10

      gianni: what would you rather have: R120/day or R0/day? I am going to ignore the rest of your comment because it is irrelevant trolling.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:12

      @Gianni a SAFFA is a South African living abroad!

      thinus.brits.1 - 2012-11-19 13:19

      I Second that Handy Andy, my maid is earning R1200 per month, working 7 hours a day, twice a week. She is earning almost double what the minimum wage is, and she is an absolute asset to our household.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:24

      Alicia: we are supposed to raise our own children. I had no "second" mothers. I wish people would stop assuming that every maid-employing South African earns the same money as they do. Wake up!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:32

      mofstok, u clearly cannot afford a maid so what are you doing on this forum. 120 a rand for a days work is fair, that is where the s.a economy is at this point considerding how expensive costs of living have become. how do you expect people to survive on 80 rand a day? i guarantee that you have no concept of that, no matter how much you are claiming poverty

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:33

      Alicia: that is not a standard all private citizens have to ascribe or aspire to. That is merely a personal choice or preference. You cannot realistically expect (and I sincerely hope you do not)that all South Africans should comply with your financial norms.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 13:42

      Any hardworking domestic worker/nanny is now earning at least R150 a day, R750 a week. I know because that's what I pay. Once you sit down with your employee and work out the costs they need to cover its obvious no one can get by on less than that. And you should be contributing to a small pension too.

      thinus.brits.1 - 2012-11-19 13:51

      Alicia, what do you suggest I pay, R3000. I am paying R1200, where I should be paying only R586. She is working 56 hours a month, and working the other 3 days at other people. If every employer pays her what I pay her, she is earning R3000 a month, plus starting at 8 and going home at 3. I know of people working much harder than that earning much less than that. I cannot pay her R3000 a month, that would be R53 / hour. Please use your brain before making comments.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-19 14:43

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  • malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 11:49

    Unemployment to increase from December.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 11:58

      Because the government loves causing unemployment. They have zero concept of what economics entail. Idiotic cretins.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:04

      That works out to just under 90 rand a day. You guys telling me you pay your domestics less???

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:10

      iwould concede that you have a point if you werent talking rubbish just to back up your arguments. the fact is that you and all your chums can afford 120 rand a day, you just dont want to pay that so you talk all sorts of rubbish about the economy and the unemployment rate. the fact is that anyone who has a domestic worker and cannot afford to pay them 120 a day, should not have one. im willing to bet that the vast majority who have a domestic worker, will have no problem affording 120 a day

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 13:10

      @Jason - Who says I am commenting on my own domestic at all? Or that I even have one for that matter? I am making a general comment as to how this move will impact the *entire* country, leading to further unemployment and moving us further in the wrong direction economically, not on how it will (it won't) impact my personal household. That this needs explanation sadens me, it should have been pretty obvious.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:11

      Jason: I pay mine nothing. I do not have one because of the over regulation of unskilled and uneducated labour in this country.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:20

      The fact still remains that the minimum wage is far below the current accepted standards. Therefore the whole article is a mute point yes?

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 13:32

      @gianni - With all due respect I think you have actually missed the point. The people who can afford more are already paying more, I think the other comments to this article make that abunduntly clear, where many "wealthier" people point out how much more they pay and how disgusted they are etc. This change in law will have no impact on this group of people (or their maids) whatsoever. On the other end of the spectrum are people who are not that wealthy (as you bring my chums up let me use him as an example) he works an average job in the navy who does not pay him very well, him and his girl friend are putting everything they have into paying a small place off and surviving. For people in this situation if they can afford a maid it really might be *just* and any increase mght really force them to have to reconsider. Now contrary to popular belief there are more people like this then their are wealthy people.. Many of these maids are likely to loose their jobs an outcome that does not help them at all. There is a small third group, those that are rich but still pay as little as they can. This is who this law is targetted at, and in these limited cases the maids actually will benefit. However I highly doubt that the maids in this group outnumber the maids in the second group and therefore in general this change will cause far more harm than good, by seeking to punish those few rich people who pay less than they should they instead punish many decent hard working people.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:44

      Malcolm I agree with you however we also need to be mindful of the Governments responsibility to the poor workforce and to ensure we dont end up like China with sweat shops and slave labour. So as inflation increases so the government must increase minimum wage. I dont have a permanent Domestic or Garden chap wouldnt be cost effective for me to have such a luxury. But i rather pay R130-150 for 1 day a week than 80-90 2 days a week.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:46

      malcolm while i agree with what you say and appreciate the mature and respectful tone with which you make the argument, the fact remains that if you cannot afford to pay your domestic worker the minimum wage then you should not have one. if the minimum wage was simply unaffordable for a middle class family (those who should have a domestic) then i would say this is not practical, or the governmetn should subsidize their wages, as in Europe. but i do believe that any family that insists on taking on a domestic should pay a minimum of 120

  • aroka.murombe - 2012-11-19 11:51

    Still they haven't done a thing...

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:27

      No, you are supposed to raise your own children.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 13:52

      Oh you two just shush! Some of us working mothers don't have a choice but to hire help because one salary isn't enough these days. Even if you work from home you can't do without the extra help in running a household. I work so that I can afford private education and medical aid. But I make damn sure my nanny/housekeeper/office assistant is paid well and I send her on training courses. Charity begins at home and this saint of a woman and her family are part of ours.

  • thunder.clap.587 - 2012-11-19 11:51

    Still...

  • djim.bie - 2012-11-19 11:52

    Will they not burn our houses down?

  • afrikeni - 2012-11-19 11:56

    Time to sort out what expense is a "need" and a "want" - domestic workers may fall into the later box, eish unemployment to come to some just before Christmas!

  • Lourens - 2012-11-19 12:01

    Sorry old Grace. A few years back 5 days a week became 3 and this will now become 1 day a week.

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:06

      How much do you pay your Char per day??????

      jason.children - 2012-11-19 13:23

      Gideon dont be a chop I merely trying to engage in a debate. I can pretty much guarantee you that most of the people reading this immediately thought that it was going to cost them more etc. when infact we all pay above minimum wage. Well i hope we do.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:28

      The problem is that government interference is reaching ever more ridiculous levels. That has to stop for the sake of jobs being created in our economy. Raising any minimum wage leads to job-losses, that is a fact.

  • ashleigh.ronaldon - 2012-11-19 12:01

    That min salary is actually shocking. I pay my maid and gardener double that.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:06

      The principle is the problem. I am glad you can afford to pay your staff well, not all of us are fortunate enough to be in that position.

      jacques.smit - 2012-11-19 12:16

      I havent seen anyone of my friends or family paying a domestic only R85pd... Ours gets food etc, gets fetched and delivered from taxi rank, and gets almost double of that.. not that we can afford it, but that definately not the going rate..

      jacovniek - 2012-11-19 12:18

      I agree... mine gets around double that as well. R1800 for my 3-day-a-week housekeeper (not stay-in) and R200 a day for my gardener. Anything less, in my humble opinion is a shame.

      ryan.glenn.758 - 2012-11-19 12:20

      I agree ashleigh. I also pay more than that per hour, even though they only work once a week. This is a problem with South Africa and it amplifies itself into the corporates. For a happy, reliable,honest worker they need to be happy and comfortable at home. We/us/business have all become very greedy and try always to pay somebody the least amount we can. It filters down from the top and we are all affected by this mentality. Alot of problems would be avoided in this country if people were paid fairly.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-11-19 12:47

      I agree, these minimum wages are low but you cannot set the minimum wage too high as many employers cannot afford to pay more. Those people who can should pay more. Also I do agree that a minimum wage must be set by the labour department as domestic workers do not have unions or any other bodies to represent them.

      davenewza - 2012-11-19 12:49

      Same. We pay ours R150 per day and give her a good lunch. How could people pay R85?!?!

      peter.j.cock - 2012-11-19 13:15

      If I need a casual worker, he gets paid R100.00 + meals for the day. That is better than minimum wage.

  • laura.levatte - 2012-11-19 12:05

    Err isn't this less than what the "farmworkers" who are rioting earning ? So the farmworkers receiving more than this plus added perks of accomodation, no elec bill etc etc should be exceedingly happy for their jobs ? Their "qualifications" are the same as domestics no ?

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 13:57

      I was thinking that too... Demanding R150 a day when you are generally being taken care of and provided accommodation, transport etc is a bit cheeky. Or are the ones striking the seasonal workers and not permanent staff? Anyway good nannies in the city get R150 and up per day.

  • mehluleli.majajini - 2012-11-19 12:06

    I m already paying her more than that for sitting with my remote control whilst watching all the Nigerian movies you find on DSTV. She let my son watch wrestling with her even if I warn her against exposing my son to violence

      noedig.greene - 2012-11-19 12:44

      I WONDER WAT YOUR EMPLOYER HAS TO SAY ABOUT YOU, WOULD U LIKE IT TO BE PUBLISHED ON A NEWSPAPER? HOUSEKEEPERS JUST LIKE U THEY WANT BETTER PAY&GOOD WORKING CONDITIONS. WORD OF ADVICE U DONT WANNA BE MEAN TO SUM1 WHO IS WATCHING UR KIDS.

  • thomas.paine.946517 - 2012-11-19 12:07

    Come on ous - this happens every year and R120 pm more is hardly going to break the bank. With the fuel price going up rest assured your domestics are paying much more than this in increased taxi fares.

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-11-19 13:37

      I agree this is too little I pay more than double that for 7 hours a week I pay taxi fare and give breakfast and lunch For this I receive pleasant polite and thorough service cheap at the price.

  • lielie.smit - 2012-11-19 12:15

    I have to say, my domestic eats three meals with us every day, works from 7 till 1, afternoon she is just around because the kids are home, lives for free, gets all the old furniture, curtains, clothes, bedding, you name it, and R1000 per month, and still she does half a bloody job, gets drunk over weekends and cause disturbance. But, I won't fire her, because I am at work, and I know I don't have the time or strenth for dishes, washing etc everyday. But if they keep this up?.... two teenagers are going to start earning the pocket money they now get for free. And that will be bad for Irene, as she is alone with 4 kids and 3 of her sister's kids.

  • lulama - 2012-11-19 12:16

    Wonder if this law applies to these guys too? http://www.news24.com/Multimedia/South-Africa/Naked-cleaners-20120502

  • lindi.dique - 2012-11-19 12:16

    My domestic gets more than the average pay. Bring on the inspection!!!!

      nukki.green - 2012-11-19 13:06

      I pay R220 p/d, whole year round. If we go away on holiday (somtimes 1-2 month) she gets paid as well. she been with me for 26 yrs, I want her to be happy!

  • ilsewepener - 2012-11-19 12:16

    Why are all the comments so negative? Firstly, the minimum wage is SHOCKING, I pay my maid much more than that. Secondly, it is really not going up by much at all.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:22

      It is the principle that is disgusting: the government merely pushes up the minimum wage with zero consultation of the affected parties. We have a huge number of unemployed people in this country, as a factor of production they are not a scarce resource. This government needs to sort out their labour policies and create jobs for higher wages to be justified.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 12:26

      It is not negative it is just the truth, when you forcefully raise the price someone has to pay for a service the end result is that some people will choose to go without the service. No amount of pretending to be positive and or singing kumbayah will change this fact anymore than doing so would stop gravity from working. Hating the messenger or calling them negative is like hating Newton or calling him negative, it won't make the truth any different, the truth is not negative or positive it is what it is. While government is (or pretend to be) well meaning when they do things like this without thinking things through all they really end up doing is hurting people. Only by growing industry and creating jobs can we truly help the poor, artifical inteference like minimum wages does nothing but cause more harm (and make well meaning but stupid "liberal" people feel all happy about themselves and how much they are "helping")

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:31

      Thank you Malcolm, that is very succinctly put.

      gungets.tuft - 2012-11-19 12:35

      Thanks Ilse - I was hoping I would find a comment like yours. Seriously - does anyone think that R1700.00 a month is too much. Hell - we live in a sad country if you complain of a monthly increase of around R121 a month. Thst is the price of a case of beer, or two bottles of wine which you drink while watching your domestic slave away. Utterly ridiculous, most of you would not get out of bed for that much in a day, let alone a week. Yet people like mehluleli.majajini who are happy to leave their kids in their care all day. You abdicate the raising of tyour child to someone whom you value at R1500 a month. Astonishing. I am not making myself out to be a martyr but my housekeeper gets more than double that. She gets double pay at Christmas, she get 2 meals a day, she gets 1 day off a month to go to the clinic for her diabetes meds, she gets a months leave a year. She has a pension plan that will allow her to retire at 65 with the same benefits she gets now. I still feel as if she is not getting her shot at a decent life but I can afford no more. Why, why, why does our help deserve less than we would expect for ourselves. Are we not human too?

      ilsewepener - 2012-11-19 12:53

      I agree with you gungets.tuft. Everything around us go up every year, some things even monthly. mofstok and malcolm - you have serious rage issues or you just want to stir up some sh@t.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 13:04

      You refuse to address any actual points yet instead resort purely to ad hominem when your view point is challenged, yet you have the cheek to accuse others of "rage" problems, how ironic. I'm curious, do you actually deny that people will lose jobs based on this move? Do you disagree that more people with jobs is a good thing which we should be moving towards and not away from? Have you just not thought about these things at all and ignored my points, or not read them at all other than seeing that I disagree with you? Why exactly do you disagree with that I have said? Please do tell... (If you can put your emotions aside long enough to actually do so)

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:07

      Not everyone earns your monthly income and lives in the suburbs Ilse. Your accusation proves your are out of touch with reality as to what real South Africans earn. No man is an island, especially not for millions of unskilled and unemployed "workers".

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-19 13:08

      malcolm iwould concede that you have a point if you werent talking rubbish just to back up your arguments. the fact is that you and all your chums can afford 120 rand a day, you just dont want to pay that so you talk all sorts of rubbish about the economy and the unemployment rate. the fact is that anyone who has a domestic worker and cannot afford to pay them 120 a day, should not have one. im willing to bet that the vast majority who have a domestic worker, will have no problem affording 120 a day

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-11-19 13:09

      gungets.tuft - Thst is the price of a case of beer, or two bottles of wine I was ok with the increase until you said this.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 14:00

      Mofstok is just feeling like a d))s because he is not paying his maid a decent living wage. Now its all about principles etc. LOL

  • martin.wohlfarter.5 - 2012-11-19 12:16

    Sounds like the Rodriguez song; "..I lost my job two weeks before Christmas..."

  • cindydebruyn - 2012-11-19 12:19

    Wait, so the majority of 'commenters' want someone to work in their house EVERY day and pay them less than R1240? You SHOULD be cleaning the house yourself in that case.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 12:29

      Thats the attitude! Lets see if we can get unemployment above 70%!

      vambozha.vanmutemi - 2012-11-19 12:31

      i agree, clean it yourself if you cant afford to pay them a decent salary

      brian.exmachina - 2012-11-19 12:38

      It's really a catch 22 isn't it? Nobody forces a domestic to work at their homes, it's a mutual agreement. The person obviously feels better off with that R1240 (and in some cases free food and accommodation) than without it. Not sure where I stand on this issue. I can both see that people can't thrive on that money, but I also understand that our country is a 3rd world emerging economy with an abundance of desperate unskilled laborers that can't find other jobs. It's a long term problem methinks.

      Anton - 2012-11-19 12:44

      We did and guess what Soap coffe milk food etc.stayes in our house and not in her bag when she leavesafter work. Ourclothes does'nt get burned anymore Wow a small price to pay to save alot of money

  • lulama - 2012-11-19 12:28

    Some people have their priorities screwed up...How do you pay someone who looks after your most precious valuables i.e. house and kids so little? Without 'maids' some of us would not be where we are now...so give a little

  • melanie.s.hendricks.3 - 2012-11-19 12:29

    Oh gosh, just reading all your comments makes me physically sick!!!! you freaking try living on R1400 per month or R1700 per month, you would NEVER be able to do it. freaking spoilt brats!!! this makes me so angry. some people think NOTHING on spending R1700 on a new designer item of clothing yet they moan about theres maids pay increase!!! wow

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:35

      I clean my own house: it gives me R1700 to invest in my retirement so I do not have to be a drain on the welfare system when I am old. You can thank me in a couple of decades.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 12:37

      Try living on R0 per month, after which R1700 a month might seem rather appealing, but hey don't let that little fact get in the way of your attempt to send people on a guilt trip. If anything we should be begging more people to hire maids (or anybody for that matter) at any price, even if its 1/2 of what the current "minimum wage" is, because at least thats better than nothing. The only way to defeat low wages is to defeat unemployment.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 14:10

      funny that it's two white guys bitching the most... Possibly the laziest segment of the erm 'domestic' market? South African men generally do boggerol at home. I can't even get mine to unpack the dishwasher. But if my sons think they are going to be like that they have some nasty surprises in store... :)

      matshidiso.rantai - 2012-11-19 14:27

      @mofstof why are you influencing this piityfull people who clearly need this helpers. If you cut thier hours they wil proberbly heve more employers and get paid more than R1700 you think they dont deserve. I know someone who let go of a good employee and got one who was chicky and left with all her belongings. And I hope you are planning to retire at an old age.

  • peter.j.cock - 2012-11-19 12:33

    YAY !!!! A pay rise at last. I do all the garden work, help my wife with the housework, do the cooking 4 days a week and get paid nothing.So now I will get double nothing. :) Don't trust domestics........

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-11-19 12:40

      At least you sleep with the madam ;-)

      peter.j.cock - 2012-11-19 13:07

      Payment enough :)

      sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-11-19 13:13

      You da man, Pete!

  • alana.dewet - 2012-11-19 12:36

    Anyone who pays their domestic workers the minimum wage should really be ashamed of themselves. These people have families as well and they pay transport to get to thier place of working. Mine lives in and I pay her double the minimum wage with a cellphone, food etc included. Really if you do not want to pay for a service do not utilise it in the first place.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-19 12:42

      Should people who don't employ a domestic be more or less ashamed of themselves then those who pay the minimum wage? At least the people paying minimum wage are paying the person something where otherwise they would earn nothing? Why exactly is that something to be ashamed of? How about people who only employ one domestic, should they be ashamed that they don't employ 3 or 4? Where do we draw the line? I await your informed and enlightened answer to these difficult questions.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:42

      Nice moral high-ground considering there are genuinely people out there who cannot afford to pay the minimum wage. In current times employees at companies have taken pay cuts too. What would you rather take? R1500/month or R0/month?

      alana.dewet - 2012-11-19 12:57

      Malcom, I agee with you that to employ someone is better than not employing them at all, but unfortunately the issue is not that, the issue is a moral issue that if you are not prepared to clean your own house or look after your own children do you now expect someone to do it for very little money just because you cannot afford to pay more? My domestic worker have a SITA accredited qualification as a Domestic worker, obtained whilst in my sevice from the goverment in 2004. I am just as apposed to Unions as the next person but there is a principal of rewarding just work with just pay and if all of us plead poverty and expect workers to work for less than the minimm wage where does that leave the workers who will be exploited? I am dead sure if you were unemployed and found work at less than the minimum wage you will still take it just to feed your family but you will be on the lookout for something better, the same with domestic workers. People expect the world of them in terms of the hours they work and the sacrifices they make in terms of family live etc but still expect them to be 100% loyal and happy just because they have a job. Just because you have a job does not mean that you have to happy with it.. Secondly if you read the employment act it actually makes provisions for employers to account for a portion of the pay as benefits if the domestics stay in, thus there is many ways for people who cannot afford it to actually afford a domestic worker.

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-11-19 13:16

      alana, I can just just afford over the minimum wage, will it be better to let mine go because I don't like to feel ashamed?

  • melanie.gardner.7528 - 2012-11-19 12:38

    my domestic takes leave in december....believe you me, after a week or two I would be willing to pay much higher wages than i do!! easy to say "i will do it myself". after a hard days work and insane traffic on the way home there is no friggin way i could still handle cleaning up!

  • reinette.berg - 2012-11-19 12:39

    What can a person do with R1 491.86 per month? If you moan about this, please clean your own home.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:45

      What can a person do with R0/month? I clean my own house.

      tony.angel.3975 - 2012-11-19 13:12

      What can they do without R1491.86?

  • markus.ippy - 2012-11-19 12:41

    Are there really people in this country that pay there domestics that little ? Shame on you guys is all I can say .

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:46

      Yes, because all people who have domestics live in nice, rich suburbs and hold jobs that earn them more than R300'000 per annum. No poor people empoy domestics at all, and if they do: shame on them! Since they pay them only minimum wage.

      surfing.sam.9 - 2012-11-19 13:17

      Markus - I can just just afford over the minimum wage, will it be better to let mine go because I don't like to feel ashamed?

  • cindydebruyn - 2012-11-19 12:43

    So, I'm assuming that everyone who is having a huge issue with these pay rises won't be accepting a pay rise either this year? Sure R1000 is better than no money, but does that mean you get to keep their salaries at a low while you get an increase? There's nothing catch 22 about the situation, you want a yearly increase, they deserve it too.

      morgaporg - 2012-11-19 12:47

      fair comment, but i can assure you any increase will go against all other increases (now debts) that have happened over the past year or so ie petrol, water elec etc...

      cindydebruyn - 2012-11-19 12:57

      My domestic faces the same increases I do though, so why should she suffer so that I can live better?

  • gabrielle.brookstein - 2012-11-19 12:47

    Here is my two cents. Having a domestic worker is a luxury. Ask anyone overseas. If you feel that the rate is too high and cant afford it then dont have one. If someone works one day a week for 8 hours the "salary" would be R72.24 a day! Considering it cost them probably between R15-R30 to get to and from work that would leave approx R40 for basic needs. Come on. " And for those of you who say " fine ill let her go - I say I dare you. Once you wash, iron, dust, polish, clean toilets showers, sweep vacum and all the other crap for a month Ill bet you you will start appreciating just how lucky you are to have someone work for the pittance. I can tell you having my ivy once a month does take a fair bit out of my salary but you know what she is worth it and as soon as I can afford to ill pay her more...

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 12:50

      Completing basic domestic tasks is not rocket science, so about your dare: been there, done that, got the T-shirt, many people doing the same.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-19 12:50

    They are welcome to come inspect here as we have contributed to the number of unemployed long ago and have become selfreliant and self sufficient since the first they started forcing us to pay ridiculous amounts to unskilled labour.

  • francois.delange - 2012-11-19 12:54

    This article has some calculation mistakes. In large cities, the rate for domestics workers who worked less than 27 hours per week would rise from R9.85 an hour to R10.48; from R165.94 per week to R285.62: and from R1 152.32 per month to R1 237.60. Pleas check

  • monika.vermeulen - 2012-11-19 13:00

    i pay my domestic worker double the new rate and i still think its very low for the work done. i think its a scandal that people are expected to survive on R1056.35. and the people who complain about it are an embarrassment to the human race. clean up after yourself then or is that too much effort?

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-19 13:01

    Is that minimum wage? Yoh, im pretty sure my parents domestic gets close to R5000 p/m

      tony.angel.3975 - 2012-11-19 13:14

      Got a job @ your parents for me wesley?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-19 13:19

      Lol @ tony They get paid so well because they do a good job, they work hard, they have integrity and are wonderful people. Today we got an SMS from our helper, Balla. He sent well wishes to all of us, by name. Such a sweet guy. That is why they get paid well. Because they EARNED our respect and are decent human beings :)

  • tmukasa - 2012-11-19 13:08

    if that is the case... I guess I will just have to let my domestic worker go. We both will be at a loss here but I cannot even afford to have her and now with those increases, it will just be too much of a strain. Sorry

  • mondli.khumalo.16 - 2012-11-19 13:09

    They are not MAIDS those are humans who are helping you... Nxa!!!!!!

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:15

      The term is: maid/mad/ Noun: A female domestic servant. How is this not a human being?

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:31

      Learn English and what words mean, and stop trying to berate people for using terms correctly.

      Anton - 2012-11-19 13:33

      @mondi pls go ahead TELL US

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-11-19 14:18

      Why do you call white people pink pigs? Grow up man you are a racist pig with no education and manners. Just because you don't understand English doesn't give you the right to be uncouth.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-11-19 13:10

    Minimum wage is way too low. I am guessing now, but I may not be far wrong: A middle class family of five may spend upwards of R6 000-00 pm just on groceries. How will a domestic, probably a mother, survive on R1 500 pm? Do a little role-play. Put yourself in the shoes of yoour domestic worker...

  • brian.dlamini - 2012-11-19 13:15

    Taking a child to a decent day care school is over 2k a month, taking ur laundry to a laundromat weekly will cost u R400 a month. As for cleaning, the effort cost is jus too much. To be honest gov haven't killed the employer in this instant coz if u pay less than th new wage now, u practicing modern day slavery.

  • john.lonsdale.5 - 2012-11-19 13:24

    But what about all the increases I have had to absorb for my live in domestic. Her out of work husband and 8 year old daughter live with her on my property. They live in a very nice 2 bedroomed house on my property, they have all mod cons, flat screen tv, DSTV, they even have a computer hooked up to my Internet for there daughters use. They pay no rates, electric or water, I pay the child's school fees and I feed the family. All of the above bills have gone up over 100% over the last few years, and over the next few years will be doubling again. My domestic does not absorb these costs I do, and I pay her 4 times the minimum rate. I resent some one dictating to me what I must pay with all the benifits the family get, and I certainly won't let anyone on to my property to check, unless you have a warrant signed by a judge to do so, who the hell do they think they are.

      mofstok - 2012-11-19 13:26

      Exactly!

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-19 14:17

      john dearest it doesn't apply to you... It's the losers who are paying minimum wage or less. Sigh...

  • linda.duits - 2012-11-19 13:36

    Mine works 2xdays a week, it's only myself and my husband and 3 days a week at someone else ( I know for a fact this person pays her R1500 a month and buys her groceries as well). She get R1150 a month. I buy her all her veg and fruit she needs as well as her meat, she has 2 holidays a year. I pay her kids school fees, buy them what they need for school. She gets a bonus at Christmas which is double her salary. She is a wonderful person and has been working for me for 6 years. This lady has been of sick for 1 day in the 6 years she has worked for me,if I could do more then I would.

  • rudi.booysen - 2012-11-19 13:42

    I have never employed a domestic, but that's due to my own trust issues, not because I'm afraid to pay a wage. Rather do my own dirty work than get burgled because some scumbag threatened or bribed my domestic. When I moved to JHB in 2008, a residence in my first complex was cleaned out because the domestic handed her gate remote and residence keys to some burglars. 3 kids, burgled at gunpoint, forced into a closet while all their possessions and cars were taken. Sorry, but it's a risk I refuse to entertain.

      Anton - 2012-11-19 13:57

      Totally agree. Ours stole our goods and when she was confronted her answer was " you have enough so i will take the extras you buy" That was about 10 years ago and then received R1500 for a 2 day per week job. Now we as family do the work kids have extra money in their pockets and nobody complains.

  • tracy.edwards.148 - 2012-11-19 13:52

    It's the indirect accusation that all black people are treated badly by all white people that causes some of the ugly comments here. I pay over the minimum wage and will continue to do so but if we are continualy squeezed for everything that we have I might as well stay at home and save the money as soon staying at home will save us more than me actually working. We'll save on our domestic, creche fees, aftercare fees, travel expences etc.

  • werner.schyns.9 - 2012-11-19 14:03

    Tell me are the costs of employing a domestic tax deductible?

  • maria.roth.589 - 2012-11-19 14:04

    The mere fact that we are able to afford a domestic worker at all is because there is unemployment. In a first world country domestic workers are quite rare, unless like in America they are from sub-economic countries like Latin America. In Europe they are mostly from Turkey and the far east. I think that the new rate is the very least that one pay and be human and I don't mean humane. Unemployment is a big problem but all the unemployed are not domestic workers and anyway if you can't afford a full time employee cut down on hours. Saying now we can only afford 2 days instead of 3 at the new rate means the employee is presumably not getting less, just working less and if she is supplied with references can possibly work for others as well. Or she would be able to be productive in her own home. I understand the principle of a free market but paying less is exploitation.

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