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Outa laments poor e-toll attendance

2012-11-14 12:41

Johannesburg - Public meetings on the e-tolling of Gauteng freeways are being poorly attended, the Opposition To Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) said on Wednesday.

"The notification of these hearings has been typically dismal and as such, only around 60 people arrived at this first of three sessions," Outa head Wayne Duvenage said.

"A number of those present only knew about the hearing after seeing this on the Outa... and Facebook site[s]."

He said the handful of people who attended the first meeting held in Kempton Park on Tuesday night voiced absolute rejection of the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) and government's plan to toll Gauteng's freeways.

Duvenage said public sentiment showed that people were not willing to register for e-tags.

"Outa encourages the public to participate and engage when and where it can, thereby sending a clear message to the authorities of their rejection of this inefficient plan, and waste of taxpayers' money."

Last month, the government and Sanral announced new tariffs for e-tolling of Gauteng's freeways.

The announcement, made on October 26, marked the beginning of a 30-day public consultation process.

After this, 14 days would be set aside for Transport Minister Ben Martins to "apply his mind", and another 14 days for the gazetting of the final tariffs.

This would mean e-tolls could come into effect four days before Christmas.

The Sowetan newspaper reported on Wednesday that members of the public walked out of the Kempton Park meeting, as they were not satisfied that their objections to e-tolling would count.

Almost half of the 60 people who had attended complained that government had not consulted them before the toll gantries were erected, the paper reported.

The people disrupted the meeting after they were told that the meeting was not to hear objections but was an information sharing session, the Sowetan reported.

"We have poor communities who have been registered as indigents by the local municipality. Government should have collected the register from the municipality to see if they should not be exempted from paying," said Russel Baloyi, one of those who attended the meeting.

The Congress of SA Trade Unions said it was disappointed with the way the meetings were handled.

"Residents at the meeting... were angry that having at last had an opportunity to discuss the tolls, they were told that Cabinet had already agreed to the proposal and that these meetings could not change that decision," said Cosatu's Patrick Craven.

Another public meeting would be held at the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) in Pretoria on Thursday.

 

Comments
  • guy.rice - 2012-11-14 12:54

    e-Tolling is not transparent and the public are unable to make any assessment of it whilst Sanral is not willing to make public the agreement with ETC. These talks are a sham! We close our petition on Thursday 15th for SANRAL to publically make available the contract with ETC. Make your opinion heard at : http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Freedom_of_access_to_information/

      steve.barrow.104 - 2012-11-14 13:10

      Signed

      christopher.rogers.39566 - 2012-11-14 13:34

      Hey Guy long time. Agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. Has anyone seen the economic impact assessment done with regards to business in the Gauteng area? Everything will go up relative to the price of the tolls - impacting the poor and costing jobs, but they would have thought about that already, or is their cognitave ability that lacking. regards Chris

      nicholas.graan - 2012-11-14 13:44

      Most people know that these public meetings are a sham that have been reluctantly done out off necessity of law. My guess is that people will make their feelings known by simply not paying should this criminal theft mechanism be forced through despite the public's objections.

      guy.rice - 2012-11-14 14:29

      If you need wording to send to mphahlet@dot.gov.za Dear Sir, I wish to lodge my objection to e-Tolling: 1) SANRAL has spent a large amount of money advertising the registration process for e-Tolls but has spent very little on informing the public about where and when the public consultative processes would take place. In my opinion the pubic consultations are a sham and are too little too late. 2) I have no objection to paying for the upgrade to Gauteng roads. The method of collecting the money via e-Tolling is too expensive and the fuel levy should rather be used. 3) As a member of the public I would like to see the agreement with the Electronic Tolling Collection company made public. SANRAL committed on national television to make complete disclosure to COSATU and the DA. SANRAL handed over some of the contracts to COSATU only and had blanked out much of the information. As a member of the public, I cannot make an informed decision around the fairness of e-Tolling as SANRAL has not been transparent and has not communicated all relevant information on the matter to the public. Yours sincerely......

  • rohin.jadin - 2012-11-14 12:55

    this article would be much more helpful if it would add details of the next public meetings to be held.

      guy.rice - 2012-11-14 13:14

      Go to http://email.dotjwt.co.za/t/ViewEmail/j/178EF2198207E616/A4A5641626C457FEC67FD2F38AC4859C

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-14 13:26

      OUTA urges the public to attend the remaining two public information sessions on the e-Toll tariff and exemption notices - at one of the venues listed below. These opportunities for society engagement should not be overlooked or ignored and we encourage an expression of views and input to the authorities on the tariffs, exemptions and processes related to e-Tolls. Wed 14 November 2012 CSIR, Meiring Naude Road, Brummeria, Pretoria, Starts at 18h00 Thu 15 November 2012 The Focus Rooms, The Core, 1st Floor South, Cnr of Kikuyu & Leeuwkop Str, Sunninghill. Starts at 18h00

      yvonne.cawood - 2012-11-14 13:27

      The Department of Transport and SANRAL will be holding a public engagement session tomorrow, Thursday 15th, at which they will be presenting on the e-Toll Exemptions and Tariff regulations and where the public are able to also hand in written submissions and raise questions/concerns. Please Support: Sunninghill Venue: The Focus Room The Core, 1st Floor South Cnr. Kikuyu & Leeuwkop Str Sunninghill 18h00

  • alan.gernet - 2012-11-14 13:15

    I agree with Outa - if you cannot attend the meetings, at least email your comments to the Dept of Transport, otherwise you will get what you deserve for complacency. You can email comments to :mphahlet@dot.gov.za or find a link on the Dept Transport website.

  • dean.berzen - 2012-11-14 13:15

    Excuse me outa, these things are in kempton park, people must travel far and wide to get to them, there are only 130 seats and no-one had heard about these meetings until yesterday or today....... These forums should be online, through twitter and all other channels not just a public forum at a venue

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-14 13:55

      sign the Avaaz petition above then, and email the Dept Transport to air your objections. Whatever you do, do something!

  • roy.a.remy - 2012-11-14 13:18

    "poor e-toll attendance" - "the handful of people who attended" ... "voiced absolute rejection" That's because there but one voice on this matter.

  • Neil Alberts - 2012-11-14 13:19

    if i had to attend these meetings i would definitely be locked up! cause i will not stand for the arrogance of some cadre deployed anc boetie who in the first place has no level of education. i will end up putting my fist down his damn throat! No to bloody corrupt toll system!!!!! u stealing from the poor to enrich the rich

  • eugene.klopper.33 - 2012-11-14 13:22

    Our government loves throwing due process in the public's face - which is generally based on meetings at weird and wonderful places and times, rather than being flexible and allowing for feedback through multiple channels. Worst of all, they do not listen to feedback/input. Even if they do provide detailed information upon which feedback could be given - however this information is not forthcoming. Amazingly, the tax payers who are obliged to pay their dues, are not allowed to voice their dissent in a constructive (non-strike/violent) manner which meets their needs - the "due process" does not work, so let us barricade roads, burn vehicles and destroy the infrastructure.... Government must realise that the people vote them in and they are suppose to serve the people - constructive, transparent engagement will do wonders. We realise that government is paying penalties due to the non-implementation of the e-tolling system, but proper, transparent engagement PRIOR to the implementation (therefore planning) would have done the trick - that would have been responsible, servant-based governance

  • yvonne.cawood - 2012-11-14 13:24

    The Department of Transport and SANRAL will be holding a public engagement session tomorrow, Thursday 15th, at which they will be presenting on the e-Toll Exemptions and Tariff regulations and where the public are able to also hand in written submissions and raise questions/concerns. Please Support: Sunninghill Venue: The Focus Room The Core, 1st Floor South Cnr. Kikuyu & Leeuwkop Str Sunninghill 18h00

  • jaco.bruwer.73 - 2012-11-14 13:29

    I don't even know when and where the 2nd and 3rd meeting will be. There are a lot of people that don't know about place and time of the meetings. If someone could list them, the number of people present will increase.

      pieriewaaier.zooms - 2012-11-14 13:38

      Jaco, see above and you'll get the info you need to attend. Or go to http://www.outa.co.za/site/outa-urges-public-participation-at-e-toll-tariffs-sessions/

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-14 13:56

      whaahaaa haaa haaa - love the name Nkandla Spearshaker!!! Brilliant!!!!

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-11-14 13:33

    Don't worry OUTA, I will not get a tag and I will travel on the freeway daily. sanral can get knotted, the anc can get knotted. We will never comply with this gross injustice..............no to etolling, not now, not ever. They will use the courts with THEIR judges to push this through, but we will not play ball sanral.

      rohin.jadin - 2012-11-14 14:18

      right beside you on that sentiment.

  • aspruyt - 2012-11-14 13:35

    As if we have time to go sit and listen to these government idiots. I have supported OUTA with my wallet and sent emails to the government address supplied. I will not pay one cent for tolls and come prosecution time if it ever comes to that I dare you to come try find me.

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-14 13:59

      I have also supported Outa with donations, and have signed the petition, and have emailed the Dept of Transport. Everybody should inundate the Dept Transport with comments now, so that the Govt. can see how widespread the opposition to tolling is. But as we all know, SA's like to whine and moan, while they sit on their backsides doing nothing constructive. Email : mphahlet@dot.gov.za to object and comment

  • eugene.klopper.33 - 2012-11-14 13:45

    Not only is there no access to information to enable a proper analysis, to in turn form an informed opinion, it seems as though the government is not interested in paying attention to any point of view other than those aired through violent/strike action. Is the general public not being too civil about their protest against the tolling? - does government want the voting and tax paying public to become aggressive and violent?

      alan.gernet - 2012-11-14 14:01

      Well - Cosatu will have a lot of support against E-Tolling from plenty of people if the Govt does it's arrogant thing, trying to bulldoze tolling through.

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-11-14 13:55

    Two cheers for democracy. Lock the stable door after the horse has flown. The tax is unconstitutional and justice failed.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-11-14 14:09

    if you had to build a room to hid all the ANC skeletons in, it'd be about the size of Uranus (the planet that is, not Zumas....) this whole e-tolling story has been very badly handled by the ANC who don't really give a rats bum about the people they supposedly represent. they're only in it for themselves and God help you if you get between them and the money...

  • deonk - 2012-11-14 14:15

    How where we supposed to know... this is he first we are hearing about the meeting!

  • richard.scully2 - 2012-11-14 14:42

    Don't worry Outa, we are with you. I do not, however, feel there is a need for me to travel to a hearing about something I have no intention of paying for, wether it is rolled out or not. They are not getting any money from me. If it means I cannot register my car then so be it.

  • jamesrw.wadsworth - 2012-11-14 15:16

    I will pay 1cent per km, after all, the quality of the road is rubbish and I will only pay what it is worth.

  • John - 2012-11-14 15:33

    We are going to rip you off and you WILL pay and smile while we do it!! Do NOT contract with these THUGS!! SANRAL is NOT government! It is a CORPORATION that needs your signature to CONTRACT. You are the sucker if you do.

  • alan.muir.18 - 2012-11-14 17:46

    OUTA there will be no etolling and that is the message. There is nothing to negotiate at these meetings. NOTHING, NO ETOLLING

  • osmasango - 2012-11-14 17:51

    Really now , what is the point of attending a meeting where you are told that your opinion is noted But the process will continue as planned? I will not buy or pay anything, I hope there is a space enough for 2 million motorist in our jails!!!!

  • roger.wardsmith - 2012-11-17 17:41

    South Africans are such PUSSIES - always complying with any crap the ANC throws at them - YOU DESERVE TO TO GET SCREWED WAKE UP and sign the petition : http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Freedom_of_access_to_information/ SUPPORT OUTA's petition : http://www.outa.co.za/site/show-your-support/

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