No Zim-style land reforms for SA, says Nkwinti

No Zim-style land reforms for SA, says Nkwinti

2014-10-16 16:21

Pretoria - The law will not allow South Africa to embark on a land redistribution process similar to that in Zimbabwe, Rural Development and Land Reform Minister Gugile Nkwinti said on Thursday.

"In South Africa it's not going to work. Even as we say the 50/50 [proposal] farmers say 'we don't agree'. They say 'no, it's wrong'. They send me smses. They put it as bluntly as that," he told reporters in Pretoria.

"They say it's unconstitutional, and they are right. That is the beauty of our country. Our country is a constitutional democracy."

Nkwinti was at an Agri SA summit, where an alternative proposal to the government-mooted redistribution model was presented.

The 50/50 proposal involves giving 50% of farms to farmworkers and was widely criticised as ill-considered and unacceptable.

"When we published the 50/50 proposal, the very first call I got on a Sunday morning was from the secretary general of the ANC Gwede Mantashe. He said 'I have bought myself a farm for R2m and now you want to nationalise R1m'," said Nkwinti.

"He said he disagreed with me. On TV I also saw the treasurer general of the ANC saying the resolutions of the ANC do not speak to this thing [the 50/50 model]."

Nkwinti said he welcomed engagements with commercial farmer organisations like Agri SA, and would want to engage others.

He commended an Agri SA proposal, which he said had a social component, on how farm workers would benefit in land redistribution.

"The social component is where it matters most. How do we deal with the social conditions of the people working on the land?

"It couldn't have been easy for Agri SA to reach this point," said Nkwinti.

Agri SA president Johannes Moller said the organisation was willing to constantly negotiate with government on land redistribution.

"The Zimbabwe situation is not impossible, but it is improbable and highly unlikely. Once the Zimbabwe government started destroying commercial farmers, it hurt its value chain for commercial and emerging farmers," he said.

"The farmers who suffered most in Zimbabwe are the emerging farmers. Their production dropped more than the production of the commercial sector. I think our government understands that concept."

Agri SA has a technical task team to advise it on approaches with regards to the controversial land reform issue.

The Pretoria conference maintained that land restitution held a risk for sustainable agricultural production.

In June, Moller said Agri SA would not accept accusations that it was not prepared to support land reform.

He said land reform had suffered due to policy confusion, evident in government's uncoordinated approach.

"It can hardly be expected to produce a nationally agreed-upon plan or plans," Moller said at the time.

During the past five years there had been indications that the formulation of a meaningful plan was impossible.

Previous efforts at land reform had been fruitless. The restitution process had a record of failure.

The National Development Plan already indicated that 20% of land within a specific district could be acquired through contributions from farmers for reform purposes, Moller said.

In addition individual farmers were already participating in land reform efforts.

Moller said Agri SA had been part of talks on sustainable land reform that was economically viable.

  • John Williamsii - 2014-10-16 16:30

    We create a law and you give 50% of your wealth.

      Gerhard Labuschagne - 2014-10-16 16:40

      No understanding of course of the damage caused by the idiotic 50/50 statement in the first place.

      Mike Heyns - 2014-10-16 16:41

      Do they then also pay 50% of the cost? (Eg. salaries, running costs, taxes, etc.)

      Melck van Rensburg - 2014-10-16 16:53

      And who do you think believes you or are going to believe you ???????

      Douglas Hollis - 2014-10-16 18:40

      One or two desperate land grab supporters tinkering with the thumbs down as if their future livelihoods depend on it. Lmao.

      Piet Swart - 2014-10-16 19:04

      Mr. Nkwinti is in a tough spot. He does not only represent the interests of the farmers. He also represents the desperate majority that cannot see any hope at the end of the tunnel. The 50/50 proposal was ill considered, but in a way was a message that "something needs to be done". He is now talking very good sense, reaching out to Agtri SA. He should be commended for that. But us White South Africans seemingly only know one response - bitter criticism.

      denise.coates.98 - 2014-10-16 19:44

      Yes Piet, you make a valid reply. The communicating with Agri is positive

      Judge NJury - 2014-11-10 10:29

      This should put things in perspective: It is not about land, it is about politics

  • Made-In SA - 2014-10-16 16:36

    Go and look at the land under the control of the Chiefs and Kings.There is only subsistence farming.Destroy our commercial farmers,and there will be no food for the country to eat.

      Mike Heyns - 2014-10-16 16:47

      And when you tell them that, they will probably answer: "Then we will go to Checkers and buy some!"

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-16 16:49

      It happened in Mozambique. Google Machel nationalized all Mozambican land, including abandoned houses and businesses It happened in Zambia. Google Zambian President Kenneth Kaunda announces nationalisation of copper mining companies It happened in Tanzania. Google Tanzania nationalised its banks in 1967. Just like in Ghana, saving declined sharply. It happened in Kenya Google 1 July 1964 – Kenya Broadcasting Corporation was nationalised It is happening in Namibia Google US expert fears Namibia mineral nationalisation It is happening in the Democratic Republic of Congo DR Congo nationalises one of its largest copper mines We are just walking the road they walked. We are dealing with the same people, with the same intellectual development as they have. So they cannot run a country, then they seize the assets.

      Judge NJury - 2014-11-10 10:14

      Williamsii: "We" are also walking the road to depending on UN food aid, just like all the countries you mentioned.

  • Freddie Miller - 2014-10-16 16:37

    For now... Investors beware!

  • Freddie Miller - 2014-10-16 16:40

    The 50/50 threat is nothing more than blackmail.

  • konfab - 2014-10-16 16:44

    The solution is quite simple. If a farmer wants to sell his/her farm, government should be allowed to step in and buy it into a trust. The farms in the trust can then be used to train students in a farming academy of sorts. Every year the best performing graduate of the program in the country gets allocated a farm that they then run for X amount of years. If the farm returns a profit under the graduate, they get to use the profits to buy it back from government.

      denise.coates.98 - 2014-10-16 19:50

      Nice idea

      Mike Immelman - 2014-10-17 13:21

      The best performing students are able to get decent jobs everywhere in SA. The problem is with those who want land because they are not capable of success in any form of education. Your suggestion is a bit like the BEE problem where the few competent people are getting all the big bucks, this does not solve the problem of the vast, useless remainder.

  • Beyond Reasonable Doubt - 2014-10-16 16:46

    20 years in democracy and there is still a lot of people who have not seen the fruits of democracy. Instead of delivering services and building a economy which create jobs for the masses the ANC is busy with corruption and maladministration (Billions wasted in unaccounted and fruitless expenditure). I wonder what will help when the masses wakeup to the reality that the ANC is not going to deliver the "better life for all" which they have been promising. The ANC might be forced to use desperate tactics to calm the masses in a bid to hold on to power. This is when chaos will start reining in SA and things like land grabs will no longer be such a far fetched idea. There is a growing army of unemployed black youth in SA which is a ticking time bomb. Something must be done before it is too late.

      Mike Immelman - 2014-10-17 13:46

      The white people are also waiting for the fruits of democracy. So far all they have done is give and give and give ! In 94 they gained freedom from the black millstone, the majority took responsibility for themselves, and since then the blacks have continued to behave like adults who won't leave home. The black adults must find/create jobs and accommodation for their own children , since 94 this is no longer the responsibility of the white minority. Whenever the whites create a job for their own children the blacks come along and try to steal it.

  • Trevor Legoabe - 2014-10-16 17:02

    who taught the boer to farm in the first place?

      Dienkie Taute - 2014-10-16 17:13

      Oh that's an excellent question! Why don't you go google agricultural history and enlighten yourself? Europe had stock markets and commercial farming practises while the African continent was still moving around from hill top to hill top, plundering their way through life.

      Bruce Gatland - 2014-10-16 18:11

      Er Zuckerberg, I think you got your dates wrong. Van Riebeeck only landed at the Cape in 1652. Groot Constantia was established by Simon van der Stel, the 2nd governor of the Cape, in about 1686. I don't think the Khoisan were farming commercially at Groot Constantia before that.

  • Mark Smith - 2014-10-16 17:11

    I often ask Zimbabweans how much land they got after Mr.Mugabe redistributed the wealth and they just laugh,I then ask who they voted for and they say Mugabe.

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-16 17:23

      There's no intellectual development, De Klerk must say: "That's it. Here we draw the line. We go our separate ways. We establish our own country. Enough is enough. It is not working out, they want to nationalize, no matter what. Let them nationalize as much as they like, in their own land. Give us our freedom, we go our own way."

  • Hennie Barnard - 2014-10-16 17:14

    @treverson are you suggesting black people taught white people how to farm? Because that would explain the higly efficient farms in europe and north and south America and Australia and new zealand and parts of asia.

      Judge NJury - 2014-11-10 10:21

      Hennie: Take the idiot statement from who it comes... AN IDIOT (Treverson, that is)

  • Duane Morris - 2014-10-16 17:15

    Brilliant idea knofab

  • Mark Smith - 2014-10-16 17:52

    The thumbs down troll service is up and running.

  • Hennie Barnard - 2014-10-16 18:09

    @Tieho will you be willing to make place for all the black people in USA and Brazil to come live here so that they can come back to Africa? Do you consider an African American as part of your identity? Well it is the same for us whites, we have no where to go in Europe and do not have much in common with them besides our skin colour, but our morals and humour are worlds apart. We are stuck with each other, we can fight each other or accept each other. One ends with a lot of death, the other doesn't.

  • Hennie Barnard - 2014-10-16 18:17

    We brought sheep here. In fact we made a new breed called the dorper

  • Mark Smith - 2014-10-16 18:21

    @Stoffel Take it easy you know better than that.

  • sam.e.scapes - 2014-10-16 18:50

    Minister I think the banking industry probably had a little chat to you and explained to you about the debt principle, someone probably also told you that this little proposal has had a bad outcome on our economy, not to mention the fact that we will be facing food uncertainty. There are much better ways of doing this thing. Farmers aren't unreasonable and are willing to help each other and are open to training and educating. They do understand the need for community upliftment. I know many farmers who had programs running for their workers including literacy etc, if you alienate them you loose all their skills and the workers will be the only ones to suffer. Please spare a thought to the fact that our farmers are very sought after by other African nations who would love to have them. We as a nation can't loose more skills.

  • Umesh O J Mahadeo - 2014-10-16 19:26

    Lol you a joke.

  • Themba Wa Ka Mfundzi - 2014-10-16 19:31

    Mantashe u steal our tax money .to buy a farm . eff is coming madala

  • Khaya Sikhundla Ka Miya - 2014-10-16 19:58

    Why is this government hell-bent on pleasing the so called "white" farmers? When are they going to reassure South Africans that they really are committed to land reform.

      denise.coates.98 - 2014-10-16 20:11

      This government knows that white farmers are feeding the likes of you and your tribal brothers. Farming is a very highly intelligent job. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!!!

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-16 21:55

      There's the entire Africa. The whites also helped you with jobs. No other African country is in the technological position. You can THANK the whites on your knees. Beg them for forgiveness for making you the most educated, most prosperous in Africa. If you can't govern, can't create jobs, that's your problem. If you want to have 10 kids, then that's your problem. Whites have 1.

      Mike Immelman - 2014-10-17 14:10

      If you really wanted land reform you should have stuck with the National Party. They gave away Transkei,Ciskei,Bop,Venda,Ingwavuma to Blacks, white farmers were forced out of these areas. Probably by now they would have handed most of the remaining area as this was apartheid policy. If you look at a rainfall map of SA you will find that these are the best farmlands in the country , which is why they were settled by the largest tribes in the first place.

  • Ian Murray - 2014-10-16 20:00

    No kidding? What brain dead minister actually thought that this 50/50 bollocks was going to be well received by anyone? You?

  • Michelle Van Zuydam - 2014-10-16 20:19

    Our country is so beautiful and abundant. We were all born here, we all belong here. Stop the hate! Bottom line is that the ANC is running the country into the ground and in the process they are adding fuel to the racial fire. Whites are becoming angrier for being the scapegoat for all that's wrong.... blacks are becoming angrier because they still feel cheated and it's all because of bad governance. How many people are in need that could have been helped with what the corrupt have stuck in their pockets? We need forward thinking, not throwing insults back and forth between strangers on News24!

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-16 21:49

      The EFF is fuelling it, you can see the votes are even manipulated electronically.

  • Tiri Tiriwatewe - 2014-10-16 20:23

    Both sides should be positive about sharing or else it would be another land grab.landowners shld be for willy buyer willy seller. In Zim willy buyer willy could nt work and gave rise to Land grab.

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-17 00:24

      The farmers are willing to give and to help, but the ANC wants 50% once off.

  • Mazizi Bobby Valashiya - 2014-10-16 21:50

    Gugile has no sense of history. the land must be returned. that is a matter of natural justice. if we fail generations to come will take it

      Jaco Barkhuizen - 2014-10-16 22:33

      Yeah, great idea! Go back to North Africa and give the land back to the Koi San.

      John Williamsii - 2014-10-17 00:26

      All the land belongs to the king. You had no private land.

  • Riaan Robbeson - 2014-10-17 06:14

    WTF @Tiri?? 'Willy buyer, willy seller....' Joker

  • Reinhild-Heimo Böhmer - 2014-10-17 06:54

    “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.” Narcotics Anonymous AFRICA OH AFRICA !!!!!!

  • PoliticallyIncorrect - 2014-10-17 09:08

    Theoretically the law also does not allow farm murders, and we all know how that is going...

  • Lungisa Ntaka - 2014-10-17 10:02

    Puppets of the western countries, they didn't come with land and yet they claim the land to be their!!!

  • Conrad Marshall - 2014-10-17 10:09

    the thumbs-down on this article is ridiculous..... N24 ANC trolls at it again....

  • Justice Willprevail - 2014-10-19 20:03

    I am "white". I grew up towards the end of apartheid. I was 14 when Mandela became president. We were wearing our older brothers' clothes because there wasn't always money to buy new ones. In fact I went to school without lunch many a time and sometimes even to bed with a little watery pap for supper. We didn't own land! I matriculated single handedly taking care of my younger brother as my family was there no longer!! Now I am the owner of my own company and doing well for myself, being a "white" male and thus being in the most disadvantaged group currently in SA. So PLEASE tell me how I was advantaged by the apartheid regime? And got everything for free... when I matriculated I had just a small suitcase with a few pieces of clothing THAT'S IT! No-one to ask for help, nowhere to stay... NOTHING. So nobody is going to tell me how I got everything for free...

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