Manuel: Income gaps worrying

2012-10-30 15:42

Cape Town - The most startling figures in the Census 2011 results are on income distribution among race and gender groups, Planning Minister Trevor Manuel said on Tuesday.

Although he found the gaps in earnings high, he was not surprised.

"It confirms our worst fears and I think it represents us with an enormous challenge...," Manuel told reporters in Cape Town.

The census showed the gap in income between white- and black-headed households was still significantly high.

Black-headed households had an average annual income of R60 613 in 2011, the census statistical release revealed.

White households earned on average about six times more a year, R365 134 per annum.

Households headed by women were worse off in terms of pay.

Female-headed households earned on average R67 330 in 2011, compared to R128 329 for their male counterparts.

Manuel said it was important for organs of state, business and civil society to use this information in making decisions.

The most surprising figure for Statistics Council chairman Howard Gabriels was the rate of growth in Gauteng and the Western Cape, which he said was faster than he expected.

"If you look at all the models developed over the last two years, provincial distribution of population estimates were lower for both provinces," Gabriels said.

The third census undertaken in post-1994 South Africa showed some major shifts in population between provinces.

The greatest appeared to have been in Gauteng. There were 7.6 million people counted in that region in the 1996 census. This had grown to 9.2 million by 2001 (a 20.4% increase), and to 12.3 million last year, an increase of 33.7% from 1996 to 2011.

The population of the Western Cape grew by 28.7%, from almost four million to 5.9 million, in the same period.

  • kappaj - 2012-10-30 15:52

    You Trevor - some people want to work and earn a lot, the others strike, burn down destroy and don't earn a lot. Still haven't figured out why the two groups earn differently????

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-10-30 15:53

    The private sector is trying to make a difference but the ANC is making it impossible to do business! Hence a lot of property developers are moving their focus to Africa because it is easier to business there. If the ANC could pull its finger out is ...... we would be able to see changes in South Africa.

      andre.vaneeden.14 - 2012-10-30 15:56

      I agree, I know of a lot of developers going to Mosambique espesialy

      michael.maluleke.14 - 2012-10-30 16:15

      Cheap labour and runing to occupy land in africa . Dont come back running to south africa , it is better to go back europe especially greece to do business

      thepatrickwinter - 2012-10-30 16:55

      So were these figures grossly misrepresented and taken out of context intentionally for propaganda reasons or were the figures manipulated on purpose, It is hard not to smell a rat, the trust base is in shatters.

      tasneem.sattar.5 - 2012-10-30 17:32

      Greece even with its crisis is still better off than us dude.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-10-30 18:10

      Me to, between you and me????????

      fussed.anderson - 2012-10-30 18:11

      Why do you earn more than me?. Please answer me

  • heinrich.spreeth - 2012-10-30 15:53

    education education education!

      malose.lekalakala - 2012-10-30 16:22

      Education is not the difference. I know a lot of under qualified white people that are holding high positions. Especially in the Mining and Construction Companies. The government need to regulate these 2 big industries to ensure compliance.Because of corruption companies pay backhands to the inspectors to turn a blind eye on checking the qualifications of white people. I did ask for everybody's qualification and I got a shock discovery that the black people in these industries are more qualified than their white superiors as 90% of the whites came up with all the excuses why they can't supply their certificates.

      Roulon du Toit - 2012-10-30 16:33

      @malose buddy, I think you're talking a lot of rot there

      kirsten.a.foster.100 - 2012-10-30 16:56

      Malose- it's ALL about education. We're talking about a change among people my age. Not old people in high positions that they earned. You would have the "haves" stripped to make things equal. The youth would have the "have nots" uplifted to the status of the "haves" through education. I'm so irritated with people like you!

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-30 16:59

      Seriously Malose? I work in construction and I promise you there are not that many black engineers out there... it is a simple exercise to figure out why. very few black kids pass matric maths on the higher grade. This is a fact. these kids then rather become doctors, lawyers, engineers, accountants. not many are prepared to become maths teachers. So you end up with underqualified maths teachers trying to teach kids in the townships maths. this is what is called a vicious circle. therefore you have more and more kids with maths literacy, and less and less kids with maths that is actually worth anything. So we don't get many black kids going to varsity to study engineering....

      ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-30 17:07

      Malose you are speaking such crap.

      terry.burne - 2012-10-30 17:42

      @malose - your comment demonstratess the failure of the black community to understand the difference between education and qualification. The ANC government seems fixated with qualification, which is why you have so many young kids coming out of school with a 'Matric' qualification, but absolutely no education - they can barely tie their own shoelaces, and are mostly unemplyable other than as labourers! I am not blaming these kids - it is because of the grossly incompetent education system foisted on this country by the ANC government.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-31 09:05

      Sad truth is you could have qualifications as a rocket scientist but if you don't have experience they won't even look at you... That was my biggest hurdle after university. And the fact that I didn't have a driver's license. But I had been a waitress for four years through varsity and would tell them about the skills in service delivery that gave me :)

      james.howlett.54540 - 2012-10-31 11:44

      Agreed, Heinrich, it's all about education. The statistic regarding the matric education is particularly telling. What one needs to bear in mind is that these statistics are comparing the 'average' black household to the 'average' white household. If you take the average black, not having a matric and compare him to the avergae white, more than likely having a matric and probably a tertiary qualification as well, there will naturally be a difference. For example. Should a cleaner (be they black or white) earn as much as a chartered accountant (be they black or white)? For those who can't figure it out for themselves - if you're uneducated you're going to end being the cleaner in my example. Now if you were to take the salary of a black chartered accountant and compare it to the salary of a white chartered accountant you would probably find that he earns more than his white counterpart as he is no doubt considered a scarse commodity in that he can fullfill a company's BEE requirment. Now that would be a meaningful comparison.

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-10-30 15:54

    Trevor, I thought you were quite a bright spark, surely you can see that if your govt was educating its electorate, the picture would be quite different. You cant look at its face value, or are you just paying lip service to your colleagues.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-10-30 16:17

      The whites are always at fault. Clever Trevor, what do you earn? More than me I bet.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-10-30 22:11

      Can you just be truthful to yourself and ask yourself if you are being honest or if you are being ignorant. Every time the realities and challenges SA is faced with are addressed , you guys will start throwing every weapon and all sorts of abusive words against everyone who differs with you. Yes, failure to provide quality education by our government cannot be condoned but to think that blacks earn less because they are not educated is nonsensical.

  • Priesterb - 2012-10-30 15:55

    I don't think the census took into account the huge number of white men who left the country to work internationally due to AA. These men still have their families in SA and earn their salaries in foreign currencies. Maybe this is the reason for the difference in income groups.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 15:59

      The difference is this government is not creating jobs for 50% of the black people. They are doing nothing, sitting in the townships, living off welfare grants. You won't get rich off welfare grants.

  • wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 15:57

    Your socialism doesn't work. You get richer starting your own business. Everyone could have told you that even in 1994. And 50% of the blacks are unemployed. No wonder their income is not growing - your ANC government is not creating jobs for them. It is time to switch to free market capitalism and to abandon the welfare state.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-30 16:27

      You can also get rich when you save and invest 30% of your monthly pay, but most don't want to wait 40 years.

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-10-30 15:58

    What is most worrying is that Manuel sees these stats in isolation and not in context. Time to dust off those Stats101 book Trevor.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-31 07:39

      He is a moron.....EDUCATION mister Manuuel.....educate the masses and they will be able to start their own business, obtain better jobs etc......eish Doesnt he understand the 11 year old girls are not contriubuting to the economy by falling pregnant for the grant? BLOODY HELL!!!

  • andre.vaneeden.14 - 2012-10-30 16:00

    by there calculations of an earlier artical the whites earn about R 31000.00 a month, I am a business owner and whish I could earn that, some months I dont even take a salary.

      andre.vaneeden.14 - 2012-10-30 16:04

      Sorry, forgot to mention that I did not complete that part of the forms as I myself dont even know how mutch I earn, I am prety sure a lot of people did not, as it is none of there business anyway, wonder where they got there figures from

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-10-30 16:25

      Thumb Suck?

  • ben.spreeth - 2012-10-30 16:00

    Depends on what type of work you do. Why not compare your own salary to that of an attendant at a filling station.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-10-30 16:27

      Clever Trevor earns a million a year, a petrol attendant?

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-30 16:00

    Mr Manual the problem is the gap in education and the small white families vs overpopulation thriving in the non-white households.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 16:13

      Manuel created the South African welfare state when he started giving luxurious child support grants to millions. He actively supported the black population boom in exchange for votes.

      dewalds3 - 2012-10-30 16:26

      5.6 Million under the age of 4 - most of them with very little hope of a decent education.

      daan.vandenberg.773 - 2012-10-31 09:01

      @dewalds3 - Now watch the "EXPLOSION" when this 5.6 million start "pumping" away to qualify for a grant in 10 years from now!!

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-10-30 16:03

    This is an unfair comparison, take into account the different education standards and skills involved. It is like comparing Jacob Zuma and a municipalty street cleaner earnings. Until such time as the schooling and education standards are at the highest level disparities will always be present. Zuma and Manuel make out as if this country is the only such place where huge salary gaps occur.

      johan.pienaar.144 - 2012-10-30 16:40

      I bet you the cleaner as more education and skill behind him than Zuma.

      terry.burne - 2012-10-30 18:11

      I think the municipal street sweeper compares quite favourably with Zuma - at least the street sweeper is qualified for the job and knows what he has to do to meet the requirements of the job!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-10-30 16:04

    After 18 years, and acknowledging the improvement it is still clear that a lack of education for whatever reason it still the primary divider and not race, you earn according to your level of education and dedication. time for the ANC to get a grip and start rolling out quality education, and to stop stealing the money meant to facilitate this. And for the record the stated white salary average is nowhere near accurate and simply proves that using average calculations is misleading and does not reflect reality in any way.

  • jpstrauss - 2012-10-30 16:14

    Female-headed households earned on average R67 330 in 2011, compared to R128 329 for their male counterparts. Try this: a female-headed household usually is a single-parent household, whereas a male-headed household has two parents, hence will be more likely to have two incomes...

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-10-30 16:14

    I saw a movie in which Obama's brother was interviewed in Kenya, he openly stated that he wished the whites had been able to stay there longer, they would be far better off. Just saying...

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-10-30 16:22

      Well SA having the biggest economy in Africa and also the most whites is no coincidence.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-10-30 17:39


      jpstrauss - 2012-10-31 20:48

      *Second biggest economy. Those scaley Nigerians are richer than us now.

  • acm.munro - 2012-10-30 16:18

    The income gap due to population explosion. In 1937 the our population only totalled 9 million - 75 years later its 51,8 million!! The cake is not big enough to go around. There just arent enough jobs and nobody in the Government will admit this - they are too scared they are going to lose votes. All the poorest countries in the world have the highest birth rates - are we going to join them?

  • dieter.dedekind - 2012-10-30 16:19

    Quote "Census 2011 put the country's population at 51.8 million people, an increase of 6 950 782 million since the 2001 count. Nearly eight in 10 people are black and less than one in 10 white" Gee, a average taken over 41 million blacks and and about 5 million whites. Take 1 billion rand and divide by whites (+-5 million people) = +-R200 per white Now take 8.2 billion rand and divide it by 41 million blacks +-R200 per black. The media need to understand statistics before they report and give false information. For the stats to reflect accurately, they need to compare the lives of 1 million whites vs 1 million blacks, that will give a true reflection.

  • nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-10-30 16:21

    R360 000 a year for the average white man? Why don't I believe this?

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-10-30 16:33

      I wish.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 16:33

      They didn't even ask people's income during the census. They just said: you have such and such a job, with so many years experience, we estimate that your income with so many years work in such a career is such and such.

      acm.munro - 2012-10-30 17:16

      We werent home when they came around, so the two of us never counted, nor our meagre income as 'whites' placed on record, yet the sticker on our front door reflects that we have been counted!!

  • alananthonygreen - 2012-10-30 16:21

    Anyone taken into consideration that millions of blacks still live in rural areas. This would be more accurate by measuring income gaps in specific areas. I am sure areas like sandton and other metropolitan areas will show very different results, let's hope the planning commitee doesn't try to correct it by bringing larger income homes down but rather lifting lower income homes up.

  • kevin.ian.583 - 2012-10-30 16:24

    The income gap is going to get worse: The unskilled whites are immigrating out (increases average white income). Unemployable Africans are flooding through our northern borders. Education is at an all time low. The best solution is to split the white population further and really increase the racist discrimination. "The Jews" "The dutchmen" "Souties" "Lebs" etc. Once you have bought down the average white income all should be ok

  • dewalds3 - 2012-10-30 16:24

    5.6 Million children under the age of 4 and 15 Million under the age of 14 - Mr Manuel - there is you problem - not the income gaps... It is going to get worse, and nothing of you black-vs-white rhetoric is going to change it.

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-10-30 16:25

    I would love to earn R360 000 a year. Sheesh!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-10-30 16:34

      Me too.

  • FinalJustice - 2012-10-30 16:26

    What is worrying Mr. Manuel, is the way you interpret the statistics: You should add a category for 'Government Officials' and compare THAT with the others, not only the famous black v/s white all the time. May I also mention that your estimated R365k annual average for so called 'white' households is more than likely WAY out - meaning that the way in which these samples were measured is clearly not representative. An recent article published in Time Magazine stated that a mere 2.5% of the global household average income rates above 35,000US$ - which is about R300,000 per year ... Check your figures!

      abner.malema - 2012-10-30 17:35

      SA stats not US stupid born educated. \r\nI'm earning R1000 a month that is R12000 per anum. But our average is R60000. Let me teach you born educated, average means the total earnings divide by number of the sample taken(no of people used)

      FinalJustice - 2012-10-30 19:42

      Never mind @abner, I'll spare you any further analysis. Not bad for someone that earns R12k per year, though. Must be quite an experience using both your brain cells at the same time. Just beware of a surge ...

  • wwrer.ww - 2012-10-30 16:30

    Millions of Zimbabweans have fled Zimbabwe to live in South Africa in Gauteng. So you are responsible for South African black people not having jobs - your quiet diplomacy towards Mugabe, you wanted him to remain in power, you created this mess of unemployment in South Africa. 6 million poor Zimbabweans in South Africa taking away jobs of other South Africans. We are also supporting financially broke Swaziland, Lesotho, Namibia, Zimbabwe, also Mozambique. You created this mess. It's not the fault of whites. You wanted open borders.

  • owen.walker.7165 - 2012-10-30 16:32

    In the 1960's the ANC said freedom before education. They still don't realise (3 generations later) that education is the only way to freedom.

  • brucemgiles - 2012-10-30 16:37

    Just out of interest, what income do u think tenderperners put down, I wonder how that impacts. The discrepancy needs to be balanced, for that to happen fit means the education or at least attitude towards a strong education and work ethos does too, as right now they are both conversely world apart. In my view strong eduction with hard work reaps rewards. That is not a view I see shared often enough for the gap to close.

  • alan.mcnab.35 - 2012-10-30 16:46

    How about the Government making an effort to ensure that basic education , with schhols with teachers , roofs , desks , textbooks and working sanitation , is a human right ! This is the first step then vocational training to teach skills . Without any basic education and skills training the poor in our society have no hope of improving their livestyles .

  • abner.malema - 2012-10-30 16:46

    DA is against BEE.our fellow blacks agree with them. Are you bewitched or what. Wake up

  • abner.malema - 2012-10-30 16:57

    Last year and this year I attended graduation ceremonies at various universities and most graduates were blacks. But stats says employers hire white than blacks. And every time commentators in here claim blacks are uneducated whilst their people does not want to hire them. The only way is BEE

      acm.munro - 2012-10-30 17:19

      A degree does not make you capable of doing a job. Its just a bit of paper. People should rather attend 'technicons' where they are trained to do a specific job.

      acm.munro - 2012-10-30 17:34

      What I meant to say was that engineers can earn more than pen-pushers.

      abner.malema - 2012-10-30 18:58

      Being white makes you capable of being employable. Cause you are born experienced to do any work. But in reality where I work black people teach whites after a month they are their supervisor and earn double. Whilst blacks are never and will never have experience no matter their level of education

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-10-30 19:30

      If black people are educated bit their people don't want to hire them, who do they hire? - 2012-10-31 08:11

      Abner, the difference is this. White people do not strike, burn down their places of employment or incite violence when they want to get a point made.

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-10-30 17:10

    Clever ahole trevor - why would whites aspire to be poor. They are only going to go backwards if you and your spear ANC ahole buddies take what they have away. The secret is to educate the poorer people so they have a chance to shine and be wealthier. I must say the ANC is the most disgusting political movement ever - or should we just call it what it is - The Communist Party

  • terry.burne - 2012-10-30 17:35

    I think you will find the income gap closely correlates to the education gap, and as long as your incompetent corrupt ANC are running education in this country, it will probably stay that way - but then again, that's exactly what the ANC want ...... an uneducated majority that are ANC voting fodder to keep them in power!

      dbo.kacebisa - 2012-10-30 18:08

      Im afraid to say this but man you are damn right, you hit the nail on the head

  • john.cryink - 2012-10-30 18:02

    manual lead by example 1 Decrease your salery to say R80000 a year 2 To show your solidarity to the people move to a rdp house 3 make use of goverment hospitals 4 use taxis and public transport. then as a politician talk about the income gap. Just tell yous cANCer buddies to make it movement's standard (cANCer is a movent not a party)

      dbo.kacebisa - 2012-10-30 18:10

      Say he does it that wont help cos he'll still claim it as tax rebate

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-10-30 18:43

    CEO of Eskom R 4 992 000, CEO of Sabc R 3 096 000 per year. How's that for a gap Trevor? More than 10 times the average white combined earnings which in turn is 6 times the black combined average. Care to tell us what your and wife's combined income is Trevor? Compare that to the average voters income and then you will get a massive fright.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-10-30 19:39

    so tell us, Trev, what's the gap between your income and the squatters down the road from you? What's that? You don't have squatters living down the road from you? I wonder why.

  • kosie.nel.14 - 2012-10-30 21:26

    There are no substitutes for brains!!!!!!! Whites plan, whites have two children, whites spend money on the education of their children, whites study to get scarce skills, whites do not strike, whites are reliable, whites are therefore more in demand, whites therefore earn more! You get the picture, now say after me...........................

      abner.malema - 2012-10-31 05:14

      No subsitute for stupidity and arrogance and born racists. If you were fed with black hatred you won,t changa

      fumani.khosa.10 - 2012-10-31 09:56

      It's people like you who continue to haunt this country after apartheid. Your own mentality will continue to make yo live like a ghost in this country. A white person doesn't have better brain compared to his black counterpart. Favour has made a white person in this country to accumulate a bit. Now that favour is removed did yo see how some of your fellow whites are struggling to survive since then!. If they had better brains I don't think they would be struggling like me today with my smaller brains. Who knows when your turn is coming for that last hope you have to be removed...

      fumani.khosa.10 - 2012-10-31 09:58

      It's people like you who continue to haunt this country after apartheid. Your own mentality will continue to make yo live like a ghost in this country. A white person doesn't have better brain compared to his black counterpart. Favour has made a white person in this country to accumulate a bit. Now that favour is removed did yo see how some of your fellow whites are struggling to survive since then!. If they had better brains I don't think they would be struggling like me today with my smaller brains. Who knows when your turn is coming for that last hope you have to be removed...

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-10-30 21:40

    Problem is that whites hold high positions in companies and it very easy for them to pay black and white employees differently. Education or lack of it is just an arrogant and selfish excuse not to pay people fairly. It does not help to deny what is happening in the work place. BBBEE does not mean blacks feel inferior or are inferior to whites. Without the legislation whites will continue were they left off just before 1995. Same with land redistribution it cannot be done away with.

  • zelda.gerber.9 - 2012-10-30 22:49

    Anybody who knows something about maths/statistics would know you can't compare 'n small group to a huge group, it has to be the same size! So this is not a accurate comparison to compare black and white income.. And if this was true and whites earn more, how come black people own more houses than the whites? Doesn't make sense!

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-10-31 07:36

    Comparing incomes of the poor with those of any Black African manage country, will show even more worrying facts. Was SA black people living standard higher than black people in any other African state? If so , does it show that apartheid, was actually better for economic ( migrant miners), Educational ( other African counties students study at apartheid universities MEDUNSA, Fort Hare and other) Medical (other african countries citizens treated in SA state hospitals better quality and cheaper than what was available in their own countries)? Did apartheid actually do better for poor black people than black African manage coutries ? If so Why?

  • maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-31 09:14

    The disparity in earnings is a problem because we are sitting on a bomb that is already smoking with all the trouble in mining. And it will affect the welfare of everyone if the economy goes down the toilet due to civil unrest. Fastest way of fixing this is to appease foreign investors so that they bring money, businesses, jobs and skills training into the country. And that's why education is so important. I can understand that these miners are furious but they need to see the bigger picture. You cannot keep demanding money that a business simply doesn't have to give you. Look at our government, they are the biggest employer in the country. They just keep employing more and more people, without a thought as to where the money is going to come from. And then the strikes start because the pay is not enough. But ja they took EMS out of the intermediate phase school syllabus when it was at least teaching kids from a very young age to be entrepreneurs! Rather than employing people not qualified to do their jobs effectively the government should be putting it into small business loans and business training because private sector is not prepared to loan small amounts without collateral. And while they at it how about free creche services for moms from poor neighbourhoods so that they can go out and get a job or go back to school?

  • fumani.khosa.10 - 2012-10-31 09:29

    Wonder what Trevor Manuel would say if one would ask if he believes that he himself is earning too much compared to the majority of the citizens in this country including public servants. Talkin about salary gaps all these years is meaningless especially if you are benefiting from the oppressing capitalist system. Don't claim to be concerned about the system cause you should've done something by this time. You concocted this system forgetting that after effects will affect you more than everybody. Like any other African country we know that when this country fall down to its knees you (ANC beneficiaries) will take your families to Europe where are we taking ours to... Just concerned

  • ruan.cloete - 2012-10-31 10:14

    This supports my theory that BEE and other forms of discrimination will only feed and amplify the hunger of the currently disadvantaged minority to outperform and succeed. As a result, they will always remain high value resources and command higher salaries. My personal reaction to reduced chances of success is to always learn and work harder than my seniors(not peers) until someone notices. If the majority of the currently disadvantaged share this determined mindset, how will the BEE masses ever catch up? The workplace always getting more competivite and BEE graduates are everywhere to be found. Supply and demand? Naturally determined people will always stay determined and you will not BEE them into submission and lives of poverty. Why would you want you? They pay the most taxes. Time to come up with another plan.

  • karen.zyl - 2012-10-31 10:48

    Really, so start doing something!!

  • karen.zyl - 2012-10-31 10:49

    If there where no strikes, there would be no deaths, trucks being burned down etc etc

  • karen.zyl - 2012-10-31 10:55

    Trevor Manuel, for your information, when these censuses were send out, the attitude of people were "it has nothing to do with the government how much I earn and what I have" How can figures be finalized then, cause I did not fill in your census form.

  • dan.kolosa - 2012-10-31 13:16

    Perhaps we should be woorrying about our own people and ANC rulers. The freedom that my fathers and his brothers fought for is becoming null and void because of Zuma and his circus. We canno complain about the widening gap in income. What our struggle leaders taught us is bearing fruit now. We burn our schools, our sisters fall pregnant to make use of the "grant system", we strike and breakdown the facilities that must uplift us, Zuma and his government complain abot income gaps!! Who is to blame? Apartheid is dead. We have our freedom which was fought over for years. Why should we feel inadequate or useless? Because our ANC government let us belief we are to fight the whiteman, while hundreds die of poverty in SA and our prez do improvements of millions to his harem. Is this not why there is such a huge gap in income? because our leaders steal us blind. Wake up you politicos? Work together and stop the blame game

  • doug.evans.56863 - 2012-10-31 14:28

    They should look at the make up of the different income groups not at the races. In every country the poor outnumber the rich and in this country the results are even more skewed. There are as many (Nominal) rich Black South Africans as there are white south africans it is just that there are 37 million impoverished blacks and only 1/2 million impoverished whites. so the money or "average " is a false stat. They should look at the gap between rich and poor regardless of color.

  • denny.cray - 2012-10-31 15:21

    On and on about the income gap as if it exists in isolation. People *earn* income based on the value they can add. This is a result of their skills, experience, work ethic and attitude. All we hear about is moaning about the final result with little regard to the actual underlying reasons. If you must look at an income gap - look at the income gap between people of similar value (as described earlier). I bet that either it is nominal or the impact of AA/BEE skews the gap in the reverse direction.

  • banele.xaji - 2012-10-31 17:07

    White supremacy is the unnamed political system that has made the modern world what it is today. These disparities are no surprise as a black person and a white person doing the same job, do not earn the same salary.Corporate South Africa is to blame for that, it remains largely untranformed, refuses to tranform. But the masses, will and can rise against this flawed economic system, the internation political economy is structured in a way that whites benefit [unfairly] and blacks become deprived of material wealth and hence any real true power to determine their own course in life- that is just how it is.

  • martin.kaschula - 2012-10-31 17:29

    And what about the politicians , are they excluded from this survey???????????? Bloody agents , the whole ANC.

  • dennis.crossman.9 - 2012-10-31 19:58

    Has anybody considered the fact that most intelligent people don't disclose what they earn, so these figures are a joke. Wouldn't it make more sense spending time on rescuing the disastrous education system and putting the hospitals back in the condition they were, than haggling about what people earn.

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