Govt set to implement ANC land decisions
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Govt set to implement ANC land decisions

2014-09-04 14:11

Johannesburg - Land reform resolutions adopted at the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung in 2012 will be implemented, Minister Gugile Nkwinti said on Thursday.

"We are here because we are saying to South Africans, these are the resolutions we are implementing now."

He was speaking at the start of a three-day national land tenure summit in Boksburg, on the East Rand.

"On Saturday when we [leave] here, we want to say we are moving closer to implementing the resolutions adopted in Mangaung 2012."

In its policy document the party proposes, among other things, that farm labourers assume ownership of half the land on which they are employed.

This would be "proportional to their contribution to the development of the land, based on the number of years they had worked on the land".

The "historical owner" of the farm "automatically retains" the other half.

According to the policy proposals, tabled by Nkwinti, with a deadline for feedback of April next year, government would pay for the 50% to be shared by workers.

This money would not be paid to the farm owner, but go into an investment and development fund, to be jointly owned by the parties constituting the new ownership regime.

On Thursday, Nkwinti told reporters farmers would need to be rewarded for the contribution they had made to the land.

Workers would have to be trained on how to manage the farms and keep them profitable under their own administration, as they already knew how to take care of the land.

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Comments
  • Lynn Hugo - 2014-09-04 14:18

    does government pay of all financial loans or does the farmer spread the load to the new owners> eg 50/50

      Alecia Calla - 2014-09-04 14:29

      It's about time!

      VUsi Davusi - 2014-09-04 14:40

      @Celeste that is where you wrong, they actually manage the farm there the ones who plant and harvest, the books can be done by other people they can hire a person to do the books if not get an educated person to do the job, and its not possible until its done always remember that.

      Gerhard Labuschagne - 2014-09-04 14:52

      Less than a month ago they told us that this 50% ownership idiocy was just a 'proposal' and would not be implemented.If they are actually going to try and do it they are more mindnumbingly stupid than I thought.

      Rowan Maulson - 2014-09-04 15:05

      Someone needs to get Acm Joinsa a new tinfoil hat.. theirs obviously isn't working so well anymore.

      Gerhard Labuschagne - 2014-09-04 15:40

      What about domestic workers,shouldn't they also get a percentage of every house they clean or perhaps the right to live in each house one night per week or have an area to grow their veggies,and what about gardeners...the list goes on if you think about it.Idiots.

      Mike Heyns - 2014-09-04 15:51

      @ACM: Well said! Also the reason why all their cronies who were caught are already "out-of-town" and now ambassadors?

      Mike Heyns - 2014-09-04 15:53

      @Reuben: Please read ACM's comment again and spot your misperception!

      kevern.upton - 2014-09-04 15:59

      If how they managed the fuel levy is any indication of how they will manage the development fund then this is going to be a royal f@&$ up.

      kevern.upton - 2014-09-04 16:01

      Take take take take take take take take take..... When are you anc retards going to give both the tax payer and the economy something back?

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-09-05 10:54

      This will be a total disaster. A 50% split it means that you will have a stalemate whenever there is a disagreement between the farmer and the workers. And in most cases you will have ongoing disagreements as the workers will not want to invest money into the operation and will want to suck as much money out as possible until there is no more money left to operate. Today farms are companies and no company employee scheme just allocates 50% to employees. If you want to give this scheme some chance of success make the percentage much power e.g. 20% so workers and get some benefit while ensuring that the farm stays viable, rather 20% of something than 50% of nothing. If workers want a bigger share they must pay for it out of their own pockets.

      Japie JJ du Toit - 2014-09-05 11:51

      I think the dear minister watch to much 50/50 episodes, and thought it was a good idea. Just a pitty that is where it stopped.

  • Celeste Terblanche - 2014-09-04 14:19

    will never work. Workers is not farmers, they can take instruction, but managing the farm is something else!!

      Mike Heyns - 2014-09-04 15:47

      They better hurry up, they are quickly running out of time!

      Japie JJ du Toit - 2014-09-05 12:21

      here is a stupid question. Let say you employ 30 persons, and each of the 30 need to get 50%. How will you share a 650 hectar farm. My math doesn't make sense.

  • Masti M Soomaru - 2014-09-04 14:25

    White farmers just halt farming for 2 years. Bring these morons to your feet!!!! the saying goes " Don't Talk with your mouth Full"

      Bryan McCloy - 2014-09-04 15:03

      @ Buka White farmers stole from who? They took the land by force As did the maurading hords from the North took it by force. From the Khoisan people so we should give the land back to the origional owners the Khoi

      Ashanzi Afrika - 2014-09-04 15:13

      No-one stole land, don't believe the racist propaganda of your politicians. Check the historical FACTS, Buka.

      Roger Pacey - 2014-09-04 17:55

      If the farmer is an employee of the new cooperative he has the right to go on strike if he has grievances

  • Douglas Ross - 2014-09-04 14:25

    I have worked for my company for a while now, just because I know the product and I can code, doesn't mean I know how to run the company. Same thing as with farms. Driving a tractor isn't the same as running the farm

      slipslidinaway - 2014-09-04 14:45

      Yes, and nobody is coming around offering you 50% of the company either. Nor are the government requiring the company to house you... It is not rational no, but then it is not meant to be is it?

      Zimbawean - 2014-09-04 23:01

      @ Vusi. On dying poor, our African Continent seems to have that down to a fine art ! They haven't exactly lit the entrepreneurial fires of prosperity. A few gifted people will with hard work wing it & make a success. However you need a population of well educated people with sound technical skills as a base to work from. Then you need a leadership that keeps most of the money out of their pockets. Then, we might stand a chance.

      Zimbawean - 2014-09-05 11:52

      & there disappears Vusi from the Frame !!!!!!

  • Rowan Maulson - 2014-09-04 14:30

    This will never ever see the light of day, will be challenged in court and thrown out as the monumentally retarded idea that it actually is.

      VUsi Davusi - 2014-09-04 15:07

      Freedom was never going to see the light of day for black people, having black millionaire was never going to see the light of day, implementing bee was never going to see the light of day, so what makes you sure that this wont see the light of day?

      Rowan Maulson - 2014-09-04 15:24

      How about because its unconstitutional and illegal? You know some very basic concepts with the way the country is run. Freedom was always going to see the light of day, for all people in this country Black Millionaires have been a reality since quite a long time BEFORE 1994 btw BEE was always going to happen.

  • Grant LE Grange - 2014-09-04 14:35

    hahahaaa!!! Can't wait! Its gonna be better than the Best SPRiNGER SHOW!!!

  • Venicia Williams - 2014-09-04 14:36

    The workers half of the farm will end up like the minister's PIGGY FARM...

      Mike Immelman - 2014-09-05 09:56

      Presumably their half will be the rubbish land in the first place.

  • Thato Morakganye - 2014-09-04 14:38

    I think its a good move going foward

      Lloyd Gardner - 2014-09-04 14:42

      You obviously dont like food!

      Rowan Maulson - 2014-09-04 14:44

      Do explain to us, in a short coherent form why you think this is a good idea?

      Humbelani Tshipandu - 2014-09-04 15:03

      we waiting for your explanation now

      Andries Du Plessis - 2014-09-04 15:31

      and at the first drum beatings of war 'people' like Thato will run....

  • Lloyd Gardner - 2014-09-04 14:39

    "On Thursday, Nkwinti told reporters farmers would need to be rewarded for the contribution they had made to the land." ITS CALLED A SALARY YOU IMBECILE!

  • Todays Realist - 2014-09-04 14:45

    If a plot of land was assigned to the workers by government and they build RDP houses on the land then that would acceptable way of ensuring ownership/tenure. To steal half the land without compensation is just plain stupid! Farm workers are not farm managers, this will be a disaster just like a lot of ANC Policies. A few farms run by so called Black Farmers have already failed! The workers will only want to work their half of the land and everyone will want to be the managers so what is going to be achieved? The RACIST ANC with stupid ideas to enrich themselves. Ms Porkchop could not run her pig farm. Mandela's cattle farm failed. Let the REAL FARMERS run the farms and keep stupidity out of the equation!

  • James Johnston - 2014-09-04 14:51

    The government took my family's successful banana farm in 2004, and already it is just 100 acres of weeds with about 100 jobs lost. This is the cANCer 62% are voting for

      Christian Evans - 2014-09-04 15:05

      I see blood flowing.

  • Steven Swart - 2014-09-04 14:51

    This should be interesting to watch.

      Todays Realist - 2014-09-04 15:18

      There will be nothing interesting to watch. This is not a GOOD STORY for any farmer. If this happens then everyone can expect to see an increase in food prices!

  • Justin Pretorius - 2014-09-04 14:55

    What about all the risks taken? Will all risks be equally shared or will the marxist state only allow successful farms to be broken up? What utter lunacy

  • Mthobisi Cilo - 2014-09-04 15:02

    This is good, the current owner will then teach the worker the other side of the business. He will also consult before making decision, the worker can continue working the farm,but this time he can determine his salary. White people will have no choice but to transfer skill now. At least the black farmer is taking half and not the 100% proposed by EFF

      Andries Du Plessis - 2014-09-04 15:28

      You are spoiling for a war son.....

      Rustic - 2014-09-04 15:31

      Mthobis: Why would I teach the workers when gvt steals half my land? This is a messy wet-dream from the ANC side. As the farm owner, pay me my price (for all of it) and negotiate a salary for me and my management team to teach and help promising Workers to upgrade themselves. Where that is not possible, bring in talented Managers. When, in a year or three, the farm runs unsupported, then I will gracefully leave. By the way, if you use all the profit to increase salaries, then the farm goes down.

  • Andrew John Becker - 2014-09-04 15:10

    Ok so they get 50%. That's good. The current LEGAL landowner does not get remuneration for the investment made on that 50%. Not good. Now the farm workers farm on their 50% and the farm owner mechanises or he gets new workers to help on his 50%. Then I suppose the new workers would eventually also want 50% and so on. So in 5 years there are no more commercial farmers to grow crops, the economy goes down the drain and malema is president. That sounds like a royal f#ckup to me.

      kevern.upton - 2014-09-04 16:31

      Yup, sound about right as a continuum of the current "good story".

  • Vince Muller - 2014-09-04 15:15

    Haha... this is going to backfire, like everything else the ANC tried to thus far... What about land obtained by foreigners after 94... this is not good enough... we want 50% of Gupta's property, 50% of all businesses, 50% of Nkandla, etc, etc...

  • Ashanzi Afrika - 2014-09-04 15:16

    It's going BACKWARD, fool.

  • Stefan Blou - 2014-09-04 15:22

    Idiocracy. If farm workers get half the land they work on, would not all workers be entitled to half of their employer`s land? Would it be logical to give a Eskom worker half a turbine after a set amount years in service??? Totally backwards..

  • Chris Felton - 2014-09-04 15:25

    What happens in the event of the following. The farm workers are given 50% of the farm, 1 year later that farm is listed in a land claim. Do the farm workers then have to give up their farm to the land claiments. I see huge issues arrising from this.

  • Stefan Blou - 2014-09-04 15:32

    Idiocracy! If farm workers would receive half the land they work on, does that not entitle any worker to half the land of their employer? Its like giving a Eskom Employee half a turbine for a set amount of years work. Totally backwards...

  • Kratervark Karools - 2014-09-04 15:38

    War!!! That is what they are pushing for! I wonder if the fatcat politicians are going to give up half of their farms...

  • Plastiek Spies - 2014-09-04 15:39

    Farmers get rid of your farmworkers now and mechanise your processes. This is what the Americans do, they use machines to do everything.

      Roger Pacey - 2014-09-04 18:01

      Or sell the productive assets to a family member who leases them back to the farm

  • Kratervark Karools - 2014-09-04 15:39

    Mthobisi you are a parasitic idiot! But we'll talk agaun when ure kids are dying of starvation....

  • Masti M Soomaru - 2014-09-04 15:51

    Farmer's are the most important people in any country! Lets use common sense when dealing with land issues. Doesn't mean that you have a qualification, that you can farm. Neither can you farm even if you have been working for a farmer for 1000 years, Farming is Hard work! Most of the people are lazy! When they get the first money they use it for parties, buying cars, stuffing their face, who cares about the next season's crop! Then ask government to fund them again. ITS Proven that Blacks cant farm, look at the whole of afr

  • Dave Andrews - 2014-09-04 16:03

    STUPID GOVERNMENT. Here is a prediction. First the money will be stolen. Second, the "workers" will receive no mentoring or assistance. Next, the land will become unproductive and due to financial mis-management, the farms will become insolvent. At this point, the assets will fall into disrepair and the land abandoned. then the workers will look for work on commercially viable farms while their land lies fallow. This will result in a food supply crisis - after which, the land will be leased back to the original owners until back to sustainability. Then the cycle starts all over again.

      Roger Pacey - 2014-09-04 18:04

      True, unless the farmer receives an income similar to what he received before. If his income is reduced as part of the scheme, he can go on strike

      Rustic - 2014-09-04 20:48

      Well said Dave. Damn frighteningly stupid.

  • Mundus Uys - 2014-09-04 16:06

    By the April 2015 deadline for feedback Nkwinti would have come to his senses. Would have been a good idea though, if all farms were square & symmetrical; all farming operations were equally labour intensive; all farm workers were previously disadvantaged and all farm owners white; if 400 people could share a leadership position and manage the 'investment and development fund' in an honest and accountable manner; humans were bees.

  • Nico Louw - 2014-09-04 16:20

    The end is insight , stupidity has no boundaries. F.W De Klerk van jou sal nog rekengskap geeis word !

  • Pat Aldrich - 2014-09-04 16:29

    I just want to say this. Come and take 50% and see where you will end up.

  • Alton Small - 2014-09-04 17:22

    Hey clown wait with land issues here, first let's sort out hammer heads inkandla issues , the spy tapes then we can discuss your shallow issues wich has no bearing on economic growth.

  • Altus Kirsten - 2014-09-04 17:46

    Will not be go ahead.

  • africanhero - 2014-09-04 18:12

    This sounds like half-land dispossession policy. If accepted by all parties, I think it is smoother than the full blown land dispossession Zimbabwe style.

  • Roger Pacey - 2014-09-04 18:15

    I can't imagine anyone working as hard with 50% ownership of an enterprise as 100% ownership, especially when half of your business has been taken without compensation.

  • Roger Pacey - 2014-09-04 18:29

    The government has already tried to force black ownership on companies by imposing it as a condition of granting licences. In the case of diamond drill manufacturing, the measure collapsed the entire industry. None of the big four companies operating 10 years ago makes drills in South Africa today.

  • mark.mitchley.9 - 2014-09-04 18:35

    I would like to know who would administer the development fund? Obviously, the government and then the ANC comrades could steal that money too. So, the ANC feeds the money through the government and pays it into a development fund that they can plunder at will....like everything else!

  • mark.mitchley.9 - 2014-09-04 18:35

    I would like to know who would administer the development fund? Obviously, the government and then the ANC comrades could steal that money too. So, the ANC feeds the money through the government and pays it into a development fund that they can plunder at will....like everything else!

  • Frank du Plessis - 2014-09-04 19:04

    I bought a farm 5 years ago and the loss to date is R4.2m - I will welcome anybody who will share this burden

  • willem.d.heijer - 2014-09-04 20:20

    Can I please work at Nkandla? If this half-wit's logic applies, our domestic workers should soon own half of our houses and I should pretty soon own 50% of the company I work for...great plan buddy, you must have thought right through the night to come up with this hair-brained idea!

  • Cheryl Lyndie Stofberg - 2014-09-04 21:05

    so in other words the ANC says stealing is okay ... ????? just vote it into the constitutional law so that i don't have to go to jail when i decide to implement my civil rights when i decide to lay claim to my neighbor's "lany" bmw ...!! :)

  • Hugo Monterro - 2014-09-05 08:59

    WHAT A BNABNOONM

  • Charisse Dirr - 2014-09-06 12:57

    So what does the farm owner get out if this? The farm owner has given the worker a job, money, education only to be stabbed in the back and have his land taken away! Gross human right violation this is!!! Honestly, do they (government) have brains? I can't understand how they could possibly 'think' this is a good idea - do they think the farm owner is going to be happy to go along with this plan? Are they (government) wanting to start a civil war, are they trying to make everyone very angry? They (government) are the reason South African's do not live and work together, regardless of race, like they should. Government is responsible for all the hatred between races currently seen in South Africa because of policy's like this!

  • Victor Peachey - 2014-09-08 12:29

    So I owe the bank 2bar when my worker gets his half I only owe the bank 1bar, He owes the bank 1 bar and he then has to pay half the rates and taxes and water etc. I then no longer have to pay him since he is now co owner, so we both have to employ new workers whom will get half of his land and half of mine and so it goes on until we have little postage stamp plots and the government has all of the land and the cash.

  • Victor Peachey - 2014-09-08 12:33

    Sadly these clowns do not see beyond the tip of their noses. If you don't own the asset eg title deeds you cannot raise finance to operate then you are dead.

  • William Steven Pearson - 2014-12-12 01:25

    Is the Ancient ANC MAD!!! You cannot just take half someones land with no compensation!!!! This is theft!!!

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