Government losing grip on finances
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Government losing grip on finances

2013-02-12 08:54

Johannesburg - Financial controls in government departments and municipalities were slackening, Auditor General Terence Nombembe has found.

More than half of government departments were unable to provide "credible and quality information" in their financial reports, Business Day reported on Tuesday.

This threatened the government's ability to carry out its obligations.

Only 43% of national departments achieved clean audits, and only 18% of municipalities, the AG told a public sector forum, convened by the Institute of Internal Auditors, on Monday.

Supply chain management regulations were adhered to by only 43% of national departments and 22% of municipalities.

Accountant General Freeman Nomvalo said for the last three years government departments had doubled their irregular expenditure annually, which created opportunities for public officials to loot funds.

 "It opens the way for tender-rigging to become the order of the day."  

Comments
  • luzukotosh - 2013-02-12 09:02

    look who's talking. same Auditor general that said Minister Mthethwa could not have known where money to build his security fence came from. SMH

      ruan.smith.14 - 2013-02-12 09:12

      Surely this article shouldnt be a shock to the system? I cant remember when last public servants actually did their jobs correctly like serving the public before your own needs.

      john.silver.3572846 - 2013-02-12 09:28

      everyone in power is always a arms length from a bad deal. Always someone else's fault in another dept. Oxygen thieves and paper pushers who wouldnot survive without and ANC employment card

      croix.mactee - 2013-02-12 10:00

      If the "grip on finances slackens" any futher, it'll go into complete free-fall. Friggin' HYENAS!

      D_MAN - 2013-02-12 10:34

      Well this is what happens when you put uneducated ppl into the positions that have only been put there because of the stupid BBEE system. They havent go a clue because they havent passed grade8. Scrap this BBBEEEE and for god sakes put ppl that know what they are doing into these positions. I dont care what colour they are.

      alan.jerrold - 2013-02-12 11:04

      Only 18% of municipalities had a clean audit????? What a freaking disgrace. And as for the 'government losing grip on finances', the only grip they ever had on public finance is the one that moved billions into their own pockets. That is the absolute truth. Viva Another New Corruption - vivaaaaa.

      fussed.anderson - 2013-02-12 11:07

      Can the gov go into DEBT REVIEW?????

      Concerned86 - 2013-02-12 11:55

      Who took over the presidency round about 3 years ago?

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-02-12 13:07

      Government you are thief's. you will never loose anything. just use the JZ method and all is done!

      jerome.rothman - 2013-02-12 13:28

      Whoever you elect as president. Whatever spirit that leader has he brings over the nation. Zuma has been implicated in Corruption, crime and rape and also did not complete his schooling. We as a nation are seeing increased corruption, rape,crime and lowered educational standards. The ANC has chosen another 5 years of this by electing Zuma back into power.The ANC as a political party has a responsibilty to the nation to elect proper leaders into postion of power. Tehy have failed South Africa and their own members suffer the most.

      eish.eish.5 - 2013-02-12 22:33

      The folks who are getting free stuff, don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff. The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting! Now... The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist. So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place. We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

  • patrick.buckley.712 - 2013-02-12 09:02

    HUH????? This must be the understatement of the century!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2013-02-12 13:04

      The government has lost its grip on everything in this Country not only finances !

  • bafana.ndlovu.9026 - 2013-02-12 09:09

    The government is not to look after finance, this is the job of the finance minister

      thepatrickwinter - 2013-02-12 09:18

      You really are on a level all of your own.

      uwe.klopfer - 2013-02-12 09:26

      wrong, it is every department and municipality's' own responsibility. The department of finance manages the big pool where all the other entities get their funding from. the department of finance is not the financial department of each and every OTHER department. Why do you think each has their own CFO ? Chief Financial Officer ???

      bafana.ndlovu.9026 - 2013-02-12 09:27

      Trevor manual does not have time to concern himself with these finances, its a waste of my tax rands

      BatRMan959 - 2013-02-12 09:29

      Thats like saying, you shouldnt worry about your bank account.. That is the job of the bank? - But don't worry, there are millions like you out there, contributing the to the debt crisses...

      bafana.ndlovu.9026 - 2013-02-12 09:31

      The banks were the reason for the financial crisis of 08, not people

      mariuskowie - 2013-02-12 09:32

      Who is the finance minister employed by? Christmas Father?

      laughton.martin - 2013-02-12 09:32

      eish,why couldnt ignorance be a fatal disease

      Bongeka - 2013-02-12 09:37

      Who is the government Bafana? Government is not a big man sitting somewhere in parliament and collecting our tax money as we grew up believing. Find out who the government is, then make a sound comment.

      leslie.erasmus.1 - 2013-02-12 09:42

      The finance minister is in the government, Trevor Manuel no longer is the minister,3 years now,u really are a dumb stirrer,try playing marbles

      michael.tetley.35 - 2013-02-12 09:44

      @bafana. Trevor Manuel hasn't been finance minister since the last election. That job now belongs to Pravin Gordhan, you ignoramus. Get your facts right first before spouting your drivel!

      annman - 2013-02-12 09:46

      @Bafana: Please go read up on the MFMA (Municipal Finances Management Act), it's a LAW, not an option. Trevor Manuel is Minister in the Presidency, NOT Finance Minister... that is Pravin Gordhan. Sheesh, do some homework before just running one's mouth off...!!!

      bafana.ndlovu.9026 - 2013-02-12 09:47

      The seperation of powers of the finance and government is enshrined in our constitution, we should not blur the lines.

      leslie.erasmus.1 - 2013-02-12 09:55

      The seperation of THE RESERVE BANK and the goverment,old saying,a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all...

      hans.dewaal.5 - 2013-02-12 10:00

      LMFAO Bafana. Did you get hold of a fancy book somewhere. I am surprised that you can read at all. You are probably the most ignorant idiot I have ever seen commenting on these pages. You should focus on breathing and learning to tie your shoe laces

      Jo - 2013-02-12 10:26

      @Bafana - Another one that fell off the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

      bafana.ndlovu.9026 - 2013-02-12 10:28

      Thanks for proving my point Leslie, the powers are to be seprated. Government and the finance does not mix.

      Don.Tandy - 2013-02-12 10:42

      bafana - sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. Methinks it is because the government employs people like you with no inkling of finance, that they are in the dwang like they are.

      louiseferreira13 - 2013-02-12 10:46

      All Heads of Department and municipal managers are designated as accounting officers in terms of national legislation. That means, they have to take ultimate responsibility for any irregular and wasteful expenditure. It is their duty to ensure that funds allocated to them by National Government (or Provincial Government in the case of municipalities) are used for authorised expenditure and that procurement requirements are followed.

      CliveK - 2013-02-12 11:05

      bafana: congratulations, you have just made the most stupid comment ever seen on this website. You show total - and I mean TOTAL - ignorance of how govt is supposed to operate. Your ignorance is confirmed by the fact that you think that Trevor is still Finance Minister. The finance minister allocates funds after submissions from ALL govt depts, and it is up to ministers - the govt, pal - to ensure that this money is correctly spent, not wasted, stolen, lost, misappropriated, whatever. If you really are taxpayer, and are not concerned about the tens of billions unaccounted for over the past few years, then you really do have the govt you deserve. Most of us want better.

      CliveK - 2013-02-12 11:13

      bafana; I have now read some of your later comments, and is is utterly clear that you really don't understand a damn thing about how govt finances work, so you should rather keep quiet. I note with interest that there is not a single thumbs-up for any of your comments. Leslie's comments on the SARB proved you wrong, not right. Go onto the Reserve Bank's website and read its mandate - it has nothing to do with controlling the country's budget or finances. Leslie, this guy doesn't have even a little knowledge, so don't boost his ego by saying he could be dangerous!

      denny.cray - 2013-02-12 11:47

      Lol, nice trolling Bafana. (Don't feed him guys)

      jerome.rothman - 2013-02-12 13:28

      Whoever you elect as president. Whatever spirit that leader has he brings over the nation. Zuma has been implicated in Corruption, crime and rape and also did not complete his schooling. We as a nation are seeing increased corruption, rape,crime and lowered educational standards. The ANC has chosen another 5 years of this by electing Zuma back into power.The ANC as a political party has a responsibilty to the nation to elect proper leaders into postion of power. Tehy have failed South Africa and their own members suffer the most.

      eland.snitbul - 2013-02-12 13:38

      bafana must be the biggest moron on news24.. ive never read so many post without considering the fact that he has no clue what his talking about.. looks like a trol

      jacques.duplessis.501 - 2013-02-12 13:41

      Bafana this is the second article which I have read today, whereby you have proven you stupidity. I would like to suggest that you should maybe first gain some knowledge/brain before you decide to comment again and humiliate yourself like this.

      maredi.mello.75 - 2013-02-12 16:53

      You are absolutely stupid. Why did you comment when you don't have anything credible to say, dumb ass!

      attie.stone.3 - 2013-02-12 18:39

      Excellent understanding of the situation bafana;.....that's exactly why the country finds itself in this position.

  • Earl O Tool - 2013-02-12 09:11

    ANsteal

      mapepaki - 2013-02-12 10:18

      This is deplorable, for heavens sake out source your municipal and government monthly accounting. That is the only way you will keep your finger on the pulse. The companies you out source to will keep checks and balances on a daily basis, it will wipe out the rot before its begun. It will cost you much less in the long run, because it will stamp out the theft.

  • JohnDough - 2013-02-12 09:13

    cANCer cadre deployment and theft tends to do that and one does not need a degree to work that out.

  • thepatrickwinter - 2013-02-12 09:14

    Yet, we are all under tax reviews to the point of stupidity. RIP Goose.

  • celeste.delange1 - 2013-02-12 09:15

    If they are looking for the money, look in the bulging wallets of the politicians!

  • william.sudding - 2013-02-12 09:17

    It already is the order of the day. How are you only realising what is happening now???

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-12 09:18

    Hahaha are you kidding me. LIER! They have known from as early as 2004. They know that these people can’t even balance the petty cash and I’m not over exaggerating or kidding. Stores is a disaster, finance is a disaster, receipting and vending is a major disaster, client service is nonexistent and lets not even go into meter readings, connections, disconnections and registrations. Once I made a joke to create an account and call it “Account to balance all other accounts” on the financial systems and just to draw journals to that account to make the books balance. Management thought I was serious. I think they actually considered doing it. I will never make a joke like that again.

  • abdul.cassiem.9 - 2013-02-12 09:18

    I'll say it again everything an anithing this ANC government touches its a balls up. Nothing new been like this for more than 3years.

  • derek.allanbarrett - 2013-02-12 09:18

    Nx????

  • pushocapture.maake - 2013-02-12 09:26

    Even the will to fix the problem is not there. Why would they want to close the tab drink drink from

      attie.stone.3 - 2013-02-12 18:48

      Problem..........what problem. Eish

  • moses.kachula - 2013-02-12 09:30

    Fast on our way to being another failed african state, thanks to the anc and their greed

      heini.botes - 2013-02-12 11:22

      No, thanks to the supporters who put them there and are keeping them there

  • SARealist - 2013-02-12 09:33

    The ANC DEPLOYMENT POLICY the real cause of many of the problems. Councils should have a recruitment committee consisting of members from all the polical parties who can shortlist applicants and then interview the shortlsited candidates for the position. All interviews should be conducted by completing a matrix score card and the person with the best score should be offered the job and not some deployed or re-deployed cadre. There are many professional HR organisations who could assist in drafting a effective matrix score card for the senior jobs. Imagine : Have you previously held a similar snr job? Eish, I held the job as ???. Why did you leave? Eish, I was redeployed before the court case......but I did nothing wrong.

      dimitar.kostov.1048 - 2013-02-12 10:19

      Hired... We will pay you 2 million rand a week.

  • makhosonke.mqikela - 2013-02-12 09:34

    There ARE good men and women in the public service have fancial and business acumen,but are discoraged by their 'political bosses' from doing their jobs properly. All that needs to be done is just to SEPERATE politics from public adminstration.

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-12 09:48

      I agree. I have always said that politics and the business aspect should not be intertwined. When politics and business mix there is almost never a good outcome. Things get distorted, things get criminal, broken and the real priorities gets left and forgotten in the dust. This is just a dream since the cANCer is doing its utmost to politicize everything, politicize the positions and make everyone “be in the spirit of things”. That is why I truly hate the word “Challenge”. That word is just a blanket "get out of jail" excuse for failures without pinpointing the exact problem.

      jerome.rothman - 2013-02-12 13:29

      Whoever you elect as president. Whatever spirit that leader has he brings over the nation. Zuma has been implicated in Corruption, crime and rape and also did not complete his schooling. We as a nation are seeing increased corruption, rape,crime and lowered educational standards. The ANC has chosen another 5 years of this by electing Zuma back into power.The ANC as a political party has a responsibilty to the nation to elect proper leaders into postion of power. Tehy have failed South Africa and their own members suffer the most.

  • Eterni80 - 2013-02-12 09:37

    losing their grip ?? will never happen, the ANC counts every single tax rand that enters its trough, as they need to know just how much they can steal.

  • rowan.maulson - 2013-02-12 09:38

    Become the order of the day? It already is the order of the day Mr AG.

  • reynardt - 2013-02-12 09:40

    First thing through my mind when I read the headline: "well duh!!"

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-02-12 09:43

    Anyone surprised?

  • stanley.mabunda.5 - 2013-02-12 09:46

    fast becoming another zimbabwe

  • virginia.barker.37 - 2013-02-12 09:48

    O, PLEEEASE spin me another yarn, this one is all raveled out!

  • john.lonsdale.5 - 2013-02-12 09:48

    For tender rigging to become the order of the day. It's already happening, if you are not connected you don't get a look in on government contracts.

  • stephen.michaels.75641 - 2013-02-12 09:48

    battle of keeping fat cats government posts is WON but the war of fighting service delivery is LOST!

  • bevan.carpenter.1 - 2013-02-12 09:49

    But its the cANCer way, to state the obvious and seem as if they are doing something but actually end up doing f-all

  • Tawizee - 2013-02-12 09:51

    If this auditor guy was doing his job, he would have picked this 4 years ago.

      CliveK - 2013-02-13 08:34

      He is doing his job and he has fingered the same departments for several years. Unfortunately his reports and recommendations are ignored by Zuma and most of his ministers.

  • jason.marriott.75 - 2013-02-12 09:53

    The bleeding of funds starts at the top... Something needs to be done!

  • Richard - 2013-02-12 09:59

    But they want to tax the Graduates.

      luke.dekoker - 2013-02-12 10:29

      Richard, these CancER guys want to tax the Graduates with the hope that the Educated will leave the country. With fewer Educated people the crooks can carry on doing what they are best at (not governing the country)

  • Gideon.Viljoen - 2013-02-12 10:04

    Losing or lost? List grip many years ago. This can almost be printed in history books. Hood luck fixing it

  • hans.dewaal.5 - 2013-02-12 10:04

    Fact is. The current goverment is running this coutry into the ground. At least we hear the trusted old defence of the legacy from the previous goverment being responsible for the mess we are in. \Where do you learn to be a corrupt and devious knuckle dragger. You learn that from your parents AND/OR the socierty you grow up in. What does that say for the scumbags in power? Where do they come from. What values did their parents instill in them?

      dimitar.kostov.1048 - 2013-02-12 10:11

      No... Apartheid told them to steal and loot and be corrupt. It's all apartheids fault. Haven't you learned anything from the ANC speeches. (end of sarcastic rant)

  • thembinkosi.jozie - 2013-02-12 10:06

    Its only going to get worse as long as zuma is still not in prison where he belongs.u can arrest and fire all ministers and managers in these departments but corruption will never stop if zuma is still not in jail. Zuma is a commander-in-chief of the corrupt forces. So arrest him first if u want to stop corruption in this country.The first step is to vote them out in 2014. Even apartheid was better than this anc

      heini.botes - 2013-02-12 11:21

      Till the 'sheepish' supporters open their eyes and vote them out, nothing will change

      tumelo.motloung.779 - 2013-02-12 18:19

      mmmm Thembinkosi, surely you don't know what you're talking about. just trying to impress your friends or you've your head dip in a bucket full of that brown staff

  • paulus.knighted - 2013-02-12 10:07

    What!!!!! You mean the watchdogs put in place to monitor this are now also too busy stealing or awarding tenders to family and friends to care....... They all a bunch of thieves from the grass cutters to the VERY TOP!

  • dimitar.kostov.1048 - 2013-02-12 10:08

    The Auditor General - Tell me what to say and ill say it oh great cANCer.

  • james.rautenbach1 - 2013-02-12 10:09

    43% in National Government and 18% of Municipalities received clean audit. The average of this figures is 30,5%, which looks strikingly close to the SA Grade 12 school pass rate! Any coincidences?

  • Hasani P - 2013-02-12 10:13

    If South Africa wants to succeed we must get rid of people who defend mediocrity in public and private sectors. Look at sport , we have gone from bad to worse. We have become the champion of under performers . It is time we demand excellency in every service. We glorify and praise underperformance. Look at education, health and parastatals it has become order of the day to receive bail outs money from the already financial squeezed tax payer. Things are falling apart . The president is about to give a state of the nation address , but is the nation expecting fulfilment of the promises or is just another talk show?

  • mapepaki - 2013-02-12 10:15

    This is deplarable, for heavens sake out source your municipal and government monthly accounting. That is the only way you will keep your finger on the pulse. The companies you out source to will keep checks and balances on a daily basis, it will wipe out the rot before its begun. It will cost you much less in the long run, because it will stamp out the theft.

      luke.dekoker - 2013-02-12 10:36

      mapepaki, great idea, but you know they will only "outsource" to their buddies..you must have seen what happened with the "consultants" they appointed?

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-12 10:48

      Most of the functions are outsourced already even though these institutions already carry a full complement of employees that is supposed to do the job. Now go ask these contracted companies how easy it is to work with governmental units but more so a hostile public that expects everything for free and will use force anytime to achieve their own goals. This all over and above the fact that all these contracted companies has some link to the people in senior positions. Bribery, corruption, nepotism and criminality. That is what should be engraved on the cANCer logo.

  • Don.Tandy - 2013-02-12 10:45

    And the morons have put showerhead in charge for another five years. Unbelievable.

  • CliveK - 2013-02-12 10:58

    Actually they lost control years ago. The AG's comments are totally ignored by Zuma and most of his cabinet year after year. Once again one has to say that "accountability" is a foreign word to this so-called government.

  • singatha.jongihlati - 2013-02-12 10:59

    No s**t.

  • nadia.graf.50 - 2013-02-12 11:11

    I had the misfortune of taking a pensioner to Yusef Dadoo Hospital in Krugersdorp today and, surprise surprise, there were out of stock on most medications. They even had a notice up to say that they were not able to fill two month scripts due to shortages. I have never seen such incompetence. The nurses are the size of mountains and obviously don't look after their own health so, why should they bother looking after their patients. The toilets are in a shocking state. Where does all the money go?

  • david.broadfoot2 - 2013-02-12 11:23

    Pls tell me how can they be losing thier grip on finances when they are grabbing everything they can put their greedy hands on. ;>

  • lungile.ndyibithi - 2013-02-12 11:29

    We here this on an annual basis

  • terence.wessels - 2013-02-12 11:35

    Just look how well everything is being run cANCer supporters. How can you be stupid enough to vote for this crap when you can see how the money is being stolen? Is it because they are a black racist party, or because they are corrupt? Doesn't say much for you.

  • LesleyDGreyling - 2013-02-12 11:43

    its so UNsurprising i am amazed that it qualifies as news. WE KNOW THIS~! and this is why the ruling party wishes to add certain large municipalities to be covered under the Secrecy Act so nobody can report just how corrupt they are and how much money is being lost~! All Governments have issues, all make promises they cannot keep, and all have some measure of deception. Its not a perfect system, but it works best when GOVERNMENTS CHANGE OFTEN~! Monopolies have devastated countries in Africa (like Zimbabwe) and resulted in civil wars; they have created autocracies that create evil things like Hitler and Apartheid. I so wish i could just persuade the people of SA, ALL of them, to stand up for themselves and demand to KNOW what the Govt is doing, and where monies meant for THEM, is going. the money mismanaged and fraudulently used is meant for education, job creation, housing, benefits, medical aid to indigents, fixing roads and providing services.... we would not need eTolling to repay loans we never agreed to take, IF all monies passing through all Government and Municipal hands could be ACCOUNTED FOR~! When did we the people forget WE have the power - we ELECT THEM, they are supposed to serve us and out interests, not their own~!

  • neville.watson.31 - 2013-02-12 11:43

    What?!! What do you mean? OF course they have control. *Sarcasm Font*

  • louwv - 2013-02-12 11:48

    Things in South Africa is deteriorating at an alarming speed while the fat cats are focussing at there own pockets and how they can steal money. It is so sad

  • andre.ackermann.14 - 2013-02-12 12:04

    Yet, the ANC keeps on insisting on the BEE nonsens and keep on deploying incompetant brothers and sistsas and keep on turning a blind eye to the mess SA finds itself in!

  • erns.kleynhans.3 - 2013-02-12 12:11

    The majority of voters should but won't realise that they are creating a huge problem for themselves by ignorantly voting for a useless party. Living costs are escalating by the day and is going out of control... mostly because of poor policy and proper governance from all departments. The majority voters should, but won't, realise that they are going to be the one's most affected by the repercussions of poor governance. Alternatives? Yes, that's a good question, but we should start somewhere.

  • jaun.lombard.9 - 2013-02-12 12:59

    Is nie. Zuma het gese daar is nie probleme in A nie!!

  • hugenote1980 - 2013-02-12 13:02

    "SARS thank you for your contribution to making a difference" Anyone seen that advert? Now post it on top of this article.

  • hugenote1980 - 2013-02-12 13:07

    I am so happy to see that our country is in such wonderfully capable hands. What a great future awaits all of us. Can't wait to raise my children here.

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