SA becoming 'extractive society'

2012-07-12 13:03

Johannesburg - Honest citizens and civil servants should fight corruption in the government tendering process, Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan said this week.

"We are in danger of becoming what many call an 'extractive society'," he told the SA Institute of Professional Accountants conference in Boksburg.

Those stealing from government for their own benefit were doing so at the expense of poor people.

"It is time for the majority of honest civil servants, civic societies and business to take a stand on this destructive trend," Gordhan said.

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  • victor.windsor - 2012-07-12 13:14

    or when in rome do as the romans do !!!!!

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-07-13 04:37

      The government doesn't have any money. It's OUR money they're stealing. Bunch of fools the lot of them.

  • - 2012-07-12 13:19

    I love that stealing from government I'm sure the government is stealing from us!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-07-12 13:56

      So set yourself as an example - 2012-07-12 13:58

      How is that possible? I mean if you give an alcoholic a drink hes going to drink it, it is a weakness. If you put an ANC official in charge of billions of rand and the poor SOB has never had anything, he will steal it, even if it means going to prison. But the bastards know that's not going to happen and the whole lot of them are stealing. The only way you can stop this is to get rid of the whole damn ANC administration and their thieving leader. - 2012-07-12 13:59

      Zipper has started a trend and all his little pawns are following suite.

  • Karel du Toit - 2012-07-12 13:23

    How do you suggest we do that. The people we complain to is just as corrupt?!

  • Henk - 2012-07-12 13:24

    Says the person who never takes on anybody corrupt in government.....VIVA ANC!

  • oomkrummel.krummel - 2012-07-12 13:25

    And this took you how long to work out!!!!????? They won’t change as long as they feel that they have some sort or "right" to do what they are doing..As long as they are different to the rest of us, as long as they are protected by the draconian sense of ubuntu amongst COMRADS, and as long as there is BEE and affirmative action....don’t expect ANYTHING to change..!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-07-13 22:43

      ...In my days of working and I was an IT manager of a very large company it was a pre-requisite that H.R. (human resources) did an integrity inquiry into all new applicants. Seems now that a pre-requisite that you must have some sort of criminal record before being employed. Thank God that I turned to "self employment" Viva DA VIVA.. for a better life for all

  • James - 2012-07-12 13:25

    Hey I'm not a thief, I'm an Extractor. No law against that.

  • gillian.wilde - 2012-07-12 13:35

    Isn't it the government that is stealing from the people ?

  • riad.mahomed - 2012-07-12 13:36

    Remember that a fruit always rot from the in out, hence do the cherry pickings from your tree before looking at the next……

  • errol.wagner - 2012-07-12 13:41


  • kevin.kramer111 - 2012-07-12 13:55

    "Theft from the government"...? Should this not read "Theft by the government"...?

  • johan.maree.5036 - 2012-07-12 14:07

    I see, ANC tactic blaming someone else for everything THEY do wrong, its not ANC or Government, its the people who are steeling from the government, BS! The ANC steels from the poor! SICK!

  • lourens.rossouw.3 - 2012-07-12 14:07

    Pravin Gordhan, what are you smoking? It must be good stuff. The honest citizen must do everything (fix potholes, build schools, and so on and so forth), while these bastards can just do what they want. It is time for you and the government to give your finger some air and take these people to task. What, next week you will ask me to run your department for you while you just sit and cash in the whole time.

  • ben.rootman.3 - 2012-07-12 14:22

    Well said! We should all follow Pravin's advice.

  • corne.coetzee.92 - 2012-07-12 14:22

    POT SAY WHAAAAT????????

  • mikenortje - 2012-07-12 14:22

    How about you the ANC start with the 7 travel gate MP who have been promoted instead of fire them and sending them off to jail for fraud

  • chris.khanye - 2012-07-12 14:28

    Pravin - Cadre deployment and elected public representatives bidding to attain government tenders - it's insider trading. A crime in any democratic society. But then Pravin what we have here is Institutionalized Corruption instigated by your ruling party. Government Institutionalized Corruption has relegated South Africa to a near failed state. At your recent policy conference you were only able to come up with cosmetic resolutions to combat rampant corruption. ANC is a recipient of large donations from tenderpreneurs of Khulubuse Zuma and the Mpisanes for example. The ANC must stop their ponzi scheme politics which have relegated our people to illiteracy, unemployment, non-service delivery and abject poverty.

      Dee - 2012-07-12 14:46

      An excellent post!!! I wish you would email Pravin your 100% correct assessment :

      arthur.hugh - 2012-07-12 15:26

      Chris - this country needs more people like you!

  • theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-07-12 14:31

    "Those stealing from government for their own benefit were doing so at the expense of poor people". No Mr Gordhan they are stealing at the expense of ALL South Africans - not just the poor. All money the Gorvernment spend is coming from us tax payers .... wake up !!

  • antin.herinck - 2012-07-12 14:35

    One can see that Pravin too has read Buttonwood's article in The Economist. And he has adopted his neologism of extractive elites, but given it a local flavour -one of corrupt tenderpreneurship. So he has sees now that his government allows stealing. (from society NOT the ANC gov!!!!) Question is: now that Pravin found out what we know for almost two decades, what is he doing about it -seeing that his ANC-comrades are so, handsomely benefiting from said set-up?

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-12 14:38

    So it's not the governments responsibility to make sure corruption and fraud is kept under check? You are the one's with power... how about YOU sort your own mess out?

  • paul.korb.9 - 2012-07-12 14:39

    so the convicted criminals "who have the right to vote" are now Extractors -the 5 million paying for the 45 million syndrome is back! To stop corruption in this country is simple - Start with Citizen Nr.1 -then the rest will follow. Viva ! Extractors! Viva! Banana republic numero uno!

  • james.otter.10 - 2012-07-12 14:45

    How can we, as ordinary citizens, assist the government in the prevention of tender fraud other than condemning it? The players in these transactions are the tenderers and the government. They can collude which they seemingly often do and the successful tenderers can collect the cash and fail to deliver which sometimes happens. They are not doing so at the expense of those poor people who pay no taxes but they are doing so from those people (rich and poor) who actually pay taxes. This is because the government is funded by taxation.

  • steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-07-12 14:51

    I think the following article received sums this and I have had to split it into two to meet the comments lenght requirements; CAN South Africa SURVIVE GIVEN THE FOLLOWING? The folks who are getting free stuff, don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff. The folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop, and the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting! Now... The people who are forcing the people to pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff, that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff, are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

  • steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-07-12 14:52

    Comment continued; So... The people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff, and giving them the free stuff in the first place. We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff. Now understand this: all great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason? The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them. Thomas Jefferson said it best: “Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not”. The number of people now getting free stuff out numbers the people paying for the free stuff. ELECTION 2013 IS COMING... A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-07-12 15:14

    Maybe SARS should impose a Super Tax on corruption.

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-07-12 15:24

    Too little too late boet. Don't come crying to us now, sort your mess out.

  • Alonso - 2012-07-12 16:00

    I just came from a meeting with a client, an attorney. The stories he told me about bribery is just absolutely shocking. I never realized how corrupt our society has become. One can bribe yourself out of a court case, out of jail, out of a fine, into a job, into a government contract, to get a clearance certificate from the municipality, to get a license, f&&& I can go on and on. How the hell did we end up at this point? Seems to me the more "regulatory bodies" the government put in place the more corruption takes place, even these bodies are corrupt. And YES it is not just government officials that are corrupt, many many business & other people are just as corrupt. Ai ai ai.....sad day for me

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-07-12 16:05

    Pravin, do us all a favour and point this out to your buddies the cadres. Let's perhaps start with a certain person with many wives, even more children, corrupt relationships with people no doubt also stealing from you, us and the country etc etc. Phew, thought you cadres were constantly having frank & fruitful exchanges - doesn't seem like it to me. What do you fellows discuss then at all these "get-togethers" where the food and drink flows, and that we pay for?

  • rplescia - 2012-07-12 17:17

    Govt should get their own house in order first!

  • provence.poppies - 2012-07-12 17:59

    Those stealing from government? More like the government stealing from others?

  • Zahir - 2012-07-12 18:57

    Has pravin given this message to his friends in the anc or does it not apply to them

  • lemby.lekganyane - 2012-07-12 20:01

    ANC needs to shape up or get out! Can you really trust them with money?

  • Phillip - 2012-07-12 21:25

    Well, I guess tripe curried makes for a welcome change. Would you like us to see if we can collect some taxes for you at the same time we're holding your government to account, Minister Prav?

  • Vince.York - 2012-07-12 21:50

    The ANC bankrupted SA many years ago, and even this "ex communist" thought they could string everyone on down the line forever BUT well, when the money truly runs out and the cupboard is bare, the streets and youth burn just as they are now! the Arab spring can still arrive in winter! Open your window and smell the tyres, anywhere in RSA, thanks JZ, Gwede and Matthews et al with your reserves in offshore accounts and jets on the ready!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • amanda.victor.92 - 2012-07-13 04:36

    Pravin Gordhan, he who has protected what the ANC has been doing for years? And in any case, they can't steal from government, but they can steal from those who PAY government, us!

  • mark.barker.370 - 2012-07-13 08:19

    Only cure is to stop paying these fools and that includes Finance Moron Gordhan

  • flysouth - 2012-07-13 08:32

    He has this the wrong way round! The 'extracting' is largely being done by government against honest citizens, where government has targeted anybody owning more than a shack for the final extraction of their remaining wealth through unending taxes and levies! They could not get wealth distribution at Codesa 20 years ago, so they are doing this by other means.

  • NrGx - 2012-07-13 08:45

    "Those stealing from government for their own benefit were doing so at the expense of poor people." IS the GOVERMENT that is stealing from us poor citizens, and those companies who inflate tender pricing are FRIENDS of the government. OPEN YOUR EYES, all the ills involving money in SA are traced back to the anc and the government....EVERY TIME!

  • toni.falletisch - 2012-07-13 15:50

    Ha ha , i see the police minister used slush funds to build a wall around his personal residence ... my friend you need only look at your own ANC ministers ... the whole lot are corrupt.

  • courtney.baird.71 - 2012-07-13 18:52

    fire the pre4s.....he thinks he is untouchable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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