Taking land without payment a possibility

2011-07-10 13:45

Cape Town - The expropriation of land without compensation is a possibility in future if the current leadership fails to speed up land reform, Land Reform and Rural Development Minister Gugile Nkwinti reportedly said.

City Press reported on Sunday that Nkwinti told the newspaper it was important to be “realistic” about the call of the ANC Youth League for the forced takeover of land to speed up redistribution.

He said he was not worried about the ANCYL's call for a change of tack in land reform policy.

“I spoke to [ANCYL president] Julius [Malema] on the Monday of the week after the conference.

“Julius says we as the youth league put the matter the way we think we should put it, and says the minister will have to find a way of putting it in government language. That's my job and he was correct.

“Remember these are young people who are also concerned about their future. They are actually saying to us: think about it, it's going to be us tomorrow, what are you going to leave for us.

“I think it's very important that it happens now because you have people in the ANC government and the ANC itself who still have credibility among the people,” he said.

The department's land redistribution programme had been moving slowly over the past few years.

So far, only 7.4 million hectares of the 25 million hectares of farm land the department aimed to distribute by 2014 had been transferred to previously disadvantaged South Africans.

Nkwinti had ordered an audit of state land to establish how many hectares the state controlled, City Press reported.

  • BigMoose - 2011-07-10 13:37

    Forget the Olympics. Here come the Zimbabwe games.

  • crackerr - 2011-07-10 13:42

    If whites control or own an asset it means we the blacks are excluded. We the blacks do not share in the economic benefits the whites generate out of their control or ownership over the asset. Fair summary of the mindset we are confronted with? Yes, it is accurate. What we are seeing is nothing more than asset grabbing by the few. The population as a whole will not become individual land owners. The land audit must also include the skin colour of the current controllers/owners of land. The minister should consider investigating the circumstances and reason for the slow transfer of land AND the current productivity of land that has been transferred so far. Exactly what is it that they (blacks) fear will not be left for them and how many are they? The new individual farmers? They will not even make up 1% of the total population. The other blacks will remain where they find themselves at present or they will be the new land labourers.

      Walker - 2011-07-11 08:30

      I have no problem with land reform, but the current farmers MUST be reimbursed and fairly so for their land. If you give a piece of land to a black farmer, he must produce the same as that piece of land produced previously. If this does not happen it should be given back to the previous farmer BEFORE irreparable damage occurs. This isn't happening at the moment and that is the problem. For a specifics: A citrus farm (I think it was the second largest in SA) has gone to pieces. Only dead trees left. A farm that produced millions of rands a year and there is nothing left. You think that's right? Definitely not.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-07-10 13:56

    And we have the right to defend our property.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-07-10 13:57

    R79bn on social grants and R1bn on land reform.

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-07-10 14:08

    This is worrying!

  • Comrade - 2011-07-10 14:10

    so how much of the land they distributed is currently even running at full capacity?

  • Peter - 2011-07-10 14:16

    How will the problem be solved when the no of people outstrip the land available. There are young girls of 12 years old having babyes just to get the grant

  • LBS - 2011-07-10 14:20

    Watch more farmers being killed now! The ANC is playing neatly into the hand of the ANCYL

      likewind - 2011-07-11 08:31

      Farmers being killed? A bit sensationalist don't you think? Although I agree with you on the second point

  • Yoni - 2011-07-10 14:21

    Before you distribute any further, tell us what is happening on the 7.4 million hectares transferred so far to previously disadvantaged South Africans? Is there any farming happening there? Is any commercial activities going on except from breaking off branches and selling it as firewood? What happened to the larges citrus farm in Africa that was also distributed? Tell us Minister, we are waiting!

  • BigBrother24 - 2011-07-10 14:28

    Politicians trying to Usurp the Constitution and the Bill of Rights ----- Just Like Zim. The SA Bill of Rights says that no person may seize immovable property without an order of court. This is a standard {problem} - {reaction} - {solution} scenario. First you create the {problem} in many instances your secret plot (to cause the problem) is disguised by good public intentions ... but secretly you're actually stalling, delaying, deceiving, in order to elevate the problem. Then you elevate the {reaction} Create chaos carefully designed to polarize the problem til it becomes urgent. Then, at the correct time, you provide the {solution} In this case - the solution is to achieve the one goal that was not obtainable through normal democratic, fair process - Change the Constitution & the Bill of Rights to suit your own needs. Seize all property in conflict with the Bill of Rights - and the Constitution. This conduct is a clear insult to the persons who wrote the Constitution. “I think it's very important that it happens now because you have people in the ANC government and the ANC itself who still have credibility among the people,” he said. Oh yeah .... who ?

  • Yankee - 2011-07-10 14:34

    Devastating news!!

  • Nuck Choris - 2011-07-10 14:37

    Are these people a bunch of animals. Do they not realise that the land they propose to take, was bought and paid for, and made worth something by the owners. This would be stealing. But then again it is what they are all about anyway.

  • jonessierob - 2011-07-10 14:40


      ANC-FTL - 2011-07-11 09:41

      Only once the last bag of maize has been taken of the shelve will these ANC idiots know what they have done, and again who will suffer?

  • thetruth - 2011-07-10 14:41

    high time this happens...some farmers sit with thousands of hectares of land that lies empty-absolutely non productive...Instead of giving it to black farmers who need to be taught to farm,rather hand it over to a partnership of black and white productive farmers(the former learning 4rm his counterpart)...I visited game farms near hammanskraal this week,and most farmers there have about 2 buck for every 10 hectares of land...these are the farms that the govt.should take,and give to farmers who are prepared to feed the nation...the game farmers employ minimal number of employees and hold on to huge farms...

      rasta7109 - 2011-07-11 09:02

      thetruth: you forget that these same game farmers contribute more than R2 billion to the GDP. You also forget that 99% of the farms that were redistributed, are an epic fail. South Africa's and Zimbabwe's land reform programmes are a shining example of political ideology and reality are not compatible. It is on record that the state owns on average 40% of land in South Africa. Now there is land that is not utilised. Why does Government not distribute that massive landmass to the people, and leave the active contributors to the economy to feed the nation?

      Peter - 2011-07-11 09:22

      One of the main reasons that the farmers have moved over to game farming is so that they don't have to employ hordes of lazy,demanding,unionised workers (read:families)who they can never get rid of when there are problems.Also the game farming/hunting industry is one of the top forex earning resourses there is.If you hand these farms over they will just be cut up into non-economic units,the game will all be killed and eaten and then the "farmers" will move back to town as life is "easier"(read:"closer to bottlestore,free/stolen electricity and water). Look at all the other dream farms that have been destroyed in Mpumalanga.It is not in their nature to be production farmers.They are only subsistance farmers.Look at the whole of Africa.

  • renesongs - 2011-07-10 14:42

    I think that Everybody in government from the president down should be required to read, understand and pass an independent exam on the South African Constitution before they take office and make asinine statements

  • Eric West - 2011-07-10 14:55

    The minister is very quiet about the fact that 99% of the farms, which have already been transferred, have failed dismally!

  • G0ldf!nger - 2011-07-10 14:58

    Greatest threat facing humanity in the 21st century : Lack of sufficient productive agricultural produce suppliers to help feed a growing population currently at 7Billion. Greatest threat facing productive agricultural produce suppliers in South Africa and Africa : Government policy geared toward taking these farms away with no compensation, and handing them over to friends and cronies with little or no experience in running a successful agricultural operation.

  • jakethepeg - 2011-07-10 15:00

    And so it continues, the inexorable march to a one party state and a change in the constitution to enable us to match Zim as a failed state.

  • Shivermetimb - 2011-07-10 15:00

    The government is sensitising whites and the West in general to the inevitable. Hopefully, the West will be a little harsher on SA than they were on Zimbabwe.

  • Peter - 2011-07-10 15:05

    has an audid been done on the land already handed over. and every one that gets land going to farm?

  • Lisaman - 2011-07-10 15:27

    When looking at other countries. What is the percentage population that own land and the proportion of land that is owned. Remember all over the world farmers own land huge amounts of land. Why shouldn't our farmers own land!!

  • Clive - 2011-07-10 15:30

    trying to people to realised you have a job, it wont happen

  • windweaver - 2011-07-10 15:33

    One wonders how much of the 7.4 million hectares already transferred is producing as much as it was and how much has become another tin village incapable of supporting the people who know own it.

      Dougalan - 2011-07-11 09:27

      The question is: what will happen to the land after it is transferred? We all know that well over 80% of the farms transferred by the ANC have already TOTALLY failed. The government itself owns many millions of hectares of land. Why don't they transfer these? Or does the ANC want to rob people of what they have built up through many years of expense and hard work? That would simply be wrong - and stupid. So what's your plan ANCYL? So far you haven't shown much real grasp of economics.

  • william.botha - 2011-07-10 15:45

    What guarantee do I have of retaining ownership of farmland if I enter the market now? I think of all threats to SA, this one will be the last straw that will break the camel's back.

  • Pedro - 2011-07-10 15:50

    They are worried about their future? If they steal the land their future wil be the same as Zim. Catastrophe - which is no future at all!

  • Utopian - 2011-07-10 15:59

    "The expropriation of land without compensation is a possibility in future if the current leadership fails to speed up land reform" So basically if you are unhappy with government miss management you have the right to act unlawfully to get what you want. I am so glad that the minister has made that clear, I'm off to steal a house in Clifton because the government has not adequately managed services in my area.

  • Keith - 2011-07-10 15:59

    Oh here we go again another Zimbabwe, where food production falls to an all time low that their citizens stave and aid and food have to be imported. Yes land distribution needs to be address urgently but do it right and ensure those who get the land know how to use it to produce the food desperately need for the country. The ANCYL are moving back into the 1960. What did the world find when Russia and the iron curtain came down a socialist country with no updated infrustructure, bad management of all its growth assest, mining, etc and the navy was a disgrace. Governemnts cannot run mines and banks for once learn from history!!!!!!

  • prsephton - 2011-07-10 16:00

    Taking assets without compensation? There's a name for that: it's called "theft"

  • sean.redmond3 - 2011-07-10 16:05

    Land Reform and Rural Development Minister Gugile Nkwinti reportedly said. "If we had done our work properly and diligently we could have transferred much more land to new owners, but we have been sitting out our fat bums doing nothing and getting paid."

  • Ndlovu - 2011-07-10 16:07

    take my land..and get the bullet!

  • BigD - 2011-07-10 16:15

    Julias wants more money to finish his new mansion he is bulding. Maybe they can go take his land once the house is finished. It should house about 40 people.

  • gmain - 2011-07-10 16:19

    That's a truck load of land still waiting to lie fallow.....

  • grant9 - 2011-07-10 16:22

    The ANC will say anything to keep the youth thinking they have a future in SA. The harsh reality is that after 17 years of ANC miss-rule, 50% of school leavers are illiterate and will be unable to get employment. What can the government offer? Only promises. If they were to expropriate a single mine, farm, bank or business without compensation it would herald the collapse of the country. Did the 69% of voters who voted 'yes' in the 92 referendum know that a Frankenstein monster was to be created? I smelt a rat. I lived through the transition from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe where we also had a vote. The question posed in the '92 referendum was "Do you support continuation of the reform process which the State President began on February 2, 1990, and which is aimed at a new constitution through negotiation?" Two thirds of voters thought it sounded reasonable enough. Little did the suckers realize we would have the country we do today. Sad part is it's too late to change things : Africa never progresses from where it was at the time the majority got the vote.

  • Organist-1 - 2011-07-10 16:48

    Here comes Mugabe with his private police force. Take away the land by force so that you can create more poor people by creating unemployment. Also distribute the fertile food-giving land that was cultivated by experienced farmers to useless uneducated morons to create more hunger and food shortages. Go ahead boys. With your mentality you will NEVER learn and South Africa will become another Zim, in 10 years, begging for money and handouts with the highest unemployment in the world.

  • Peter - 2011-07-10 16:51

    So the minister effectively wants to be a thief. Land grab without compensation. Can the whites then say that all blacks are thieves because they stole the land rather than pay for it. Mark my words. The direction that the ANC is now following will make SA the poorest nation in Africa within 5 years. And then from whom will Zim ask for help because we will also be asking for handouts

  • SaintBruce - 2011-07-10 16:57

    "So far, only 7.4 million hectares of the 25 million hectares of farm land the department aimed to distribute by 2014 had been transferred to previously disadvantaged South Africans" Is this land CURRENTLY being farmed or land that could be farmed and isn't? Why can't politicians give complete information as this statement is possibly misleading to the reader in its lack of detail. Is "Transferred" = simply given, and if to PDI's, how do they qualify as farmers? No point in giving me the land as I don't have a clue how to farm, which is a real skill needing both talent, training and technology. If the department has been so slow to implement its OWN policies, who should be in the spotlight really - The minister? Performance agreements Mr President - remember ???

  • FanieWP - 2011-07-10 17:01

    So , give them the land - and then - they want seed/tractors etc - and the it becomes a desert !!

  • AntoninJNB - 2011-07-10 17:11

    I cannot understand why the Government which has a mandate to buy land, does not do so in the open Market. Some 5 per cent of land is sold every year, yet the Government is not a buyer -why not ? It would save a great deal of heartache and unpleasantness.

  • HONKY101 - 2011-07-10 17:11

    Nail in the SA coffin no 1 !!!!!

  • spikytiger2001 - 2011-07-10 17:17

    Yeah, let's be realistic about turning South Africa into another Zimbabwe...

  • The_Rock - 2011-07-10 17:24

    Another Zimbabwe with a difference the blood will flow here.

  • My5cents - 2011-07-10 17:46

    Then please publish a report on utilization of 7.4 million hectares which have already been distributed to the "previously disadvantaged".

  • My5cents - 2011-07-10 17:51

    Come on, tell us what has happened to the land which has already been redistributed????

  • Sky - 2011-07-10 18:05

    I hope they push hard for this. Something will be the final straw and prompt the white man to finally act. I have a feeling it will be this. They think we are afraid. They think that we are beaten. Just keep pushing.

  • Dirk - 2011-07-10 18:07

    Taking land without paying compensation will spell the beginning of the end for SA. It happened elsewhere in Africa - just read a book by Martin Meredith - The State of Africa: 50 years after independence and it clearly shows where SA is heading if the way the ANCYL talks becomes ANC policy. My statement isnt racist or Im saying this coz Im white - Im saying this because history is repeating itself.

  • peter the gr - 2011-07-10 18:16

    Well, there we go.........

  • Figuerro - 2011-07-10 18:27

    Perhaps a little compensation for costs incurred at improving the land and nothing else. 30 years from now, the new black generation will not have anything to be proud of for this current generation because blacks own nothing and this cannot be allowed to continue unabated. The government has up to now been protecting white interests at the detriment to black aspirations. And whites have been more than happy that the status quo of the past years has been preserved. Glad that this topic is being currently given its due consideration by the powers that be. The thought of blacks owning a decent portion of land and resoucres is something most whites and co-opted darkies will find too ghastly to contemplate

      Ho - 2011-07-12 07:48

      Uhhh...are you the comic book character..? What a load of absolute rubbish! "The government has...been protecting white interests.." The only ïnterests" that the ANC government (read Another Crook) has is in lining its'own pocket...If you can't or wont see that, then you really are the comic book character..

  • T de J - 2011-07-10 18:32

    youth you must perpare for a very bleak future if this starts to happen look at SOMALIA it's not only the draught but the whole way the country is run that is causing this hunger like +- 20 yrs ago . WAKE UP and QUICKLY

  • ian - 2011-07-10 18:48

    QUOTE OF THE WEEK: Affirmative Action by London Times 2011 June 07 15:08:42 | 414 Views "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Source: London Times

      scud - 2011-07-11 10:39

      A similar article appeared in Oz

  • JewelZA - 2011-07-10 18:54

    Govt can stop playing political games with the land they own in the Western Cape and release it to province for development. They keep making provincial jump through hoops of environ impact studies, etc. then delay their decision until study's validity expired - and so on....