Electricity and petrol price increase no April Fool's joke

Electricity and petrol price increase no April Fool's joke

2015-03-22 13:00

Cape Town – It won’t be an April Fool’s day joke next month when both petrol and electricity tariffs go up, directly affecting consumers' pockets.

Eskom announced price increases for its customers at midnight on Friday, while experts have warned of hefty petrol price increases next Wednesday.

Eskom said direct customers will receive a 12.69% increase on April 1, while municipality customers will get a 14.25% increase from July 1, as approved by the National Energy Regulator of South Africa (Nersa).

Meanwhile, the price of petrol could go up by as much as R2 per litre in April, warned Dawie Roodt, economist of the Efficient Group.

The department of energy is set to announce the fuel price adjustment for April this coming Friday.

"Taxes and a higher road accident levy will add 81 cents to petrol, while a (mostly) weaker rand could add as much as a rand. In total petrol could, therefore, go up by as much as R2 per litre. The good times lasted too briefly," Roodt told Fin24.

Read: Petrol price could go up by R2 in April

Eskom said even more increases could be on the cards.

Eskom is looking for a 9.58% price adjustment for electricity in addition to the already announced 12.69% imposed in the 2015-16 financial year, reports the City of Cape Town.

If Eskom’s application was approved, the City of Cape Town noted, this would result in “a staggering 22.27% increase in bulk electricity tariffs in just one financial year, which the city will have no option but to pass on to our own customers”.

Read: Eskom's tariff hike shocker

“[Financial] constraints have necessitated Eskom to explore options for further review of tariff increases for the 2015/16 financial year,” Eskom said in a statement on Friday evening. “Submissions in terms of the Multi-Year Price Determination (MYPD) methodology have been made to Nersa in this regard.”

“Eskom’s current financial position, as a result of historical non-cost reflective tariffs and the lag in recovery of eligible expenditure, does not afford Eskom’s balance sheet the ability to pre-fund further costs that are necessitated by a constrained power system such as short term power purchases from independent power producers and municipal generators and the increased use of open cycle gas turbines.”

Eskom said it had initiated a selective reopener of the MYPD 3 application from the 2015/16 financial year onwards that proposes an adjustment in the tariffs.

“This is due to costs incurred securing further short term power purchases and increased use of open cycle gas turbines,” it said.

“In terms of the Municipal Finance Management Act (MFMA), Eskom is required to first consult with the National Treasury and the South African Local Government Association (SALGA) prior to submitting to Nersa for consideration. Eskom will consider these comments before submitting to Nersa. Nersa will then follow their normal governance processes before making a decision.

“Further, the announcement by the minister of Finance in the Budget Speech of the proposed increase in the environmental levy is yet to be promulgated. This will have an impact on the required tariff and as such Eskom will need an adjustment in terms of the tariffs due to the levy.”

  • Lancelot Arnolds - 2015-03-22 13:30

    This spells trouble double % salary increase, eskom does not deserve a tariff increase rather collect the monies owed to you municipalities and govt dept are the biggest culprits!

      Bertus Pretorius - 2015-03-22 15:00

      And more than half of SOWETO.

      Ian Flack - 2015-03-22 15:24

      As always, the honest man ends up paying.........

      Phillip Havenga - 2015-03-22 17:08

      Lets give a big "Well Done" to the ANC for their "Excellent" leadership. They continue to run the country and the taxpayers into poverty.

      Jacob Zumaasak - 2015-03-23 07:35

      Keep voting Africa Needs Corruption , let's see what you gonna burn down now? Petrol stations?

      Henno - 2015-03-23 08:09

      @Eric You clearly have a very limited understanding on the topic of National Building hence you response. Did I ever mention any form of violent protesting? You assume without knowing all the facts, which reveals that you are either immature (politically speaking) or just very narrow minded. To refer to your fellow black South Africans as barbarians also shows your lack of understanding of the bigger issue facing South Africans, and indeed, it also shows that you are trapped in a colonial mindset Good luck with your journey man

      Henno - 2015-03-23 08:48

      @Eric Again you assume some sort of violent protest. Why? Do you expect the middle class to resort to violent measures? Tell me, are your familiar with the Pots and Pans Revolution? You say you know what is right and wrong ... so tell me, is it right that Brain Dames and the Eskom board increased his salary nearly 100% on a yearly basis? Have you been following the calls of no-confidence in Zuma? The "legal" way of doing things. Have you noticed how it didn't work because the majority of the members or parliament is in league with Zuma & Co.? The poor black South Africans have a right to clean drinking water, affordable electricity and other basic services such as a flushing toilet, it is a "universally" accepted basic human right, and I don't know about you, but I hate to see people suffer. So their demands are valid, given the amount of time that has passed since the fall of Apartheid and the amount of money which has went into projects like RDP. These "barbarians" as you call them also know what is right and what is wrong, but what other options does one have as one of these so called "barbarians"? Legal discourse? With what money? The frustration of the poor is real, and it will spill over into every facet of society unless we pull together now as a Nation. Also,as a matter of fact, please check up on the austerity protests around the globe, where acts of violence are perpetrated by "non-barbarians" aka white folk ... don't generalize my friend

      Tumelo Eisenhower Tsatsi - 2015-03-23 09:33

      We need more citizens like HENNO in this country

      Henno - 2015-03-23 11:05

      @Eric Your reference to the poor black populace of South Africa (your fellow countrymen) as "they" signify for your personal disdain when dealing or engaging on the topic of black South Africans. The "they" mentality should change my friend, because "they" are part of "us" as citizens of South Africa. In any case, the idiotic grants like the Baby Grant is a failed policy, we all know this and it encourages black youths stuck in absolute poverty to make babies to get their hands on some money. But, that is not the topic of this specific discussion, the discussion here is to mobilize and become active citizens in your country. So with all due respect Eric, get with the program and become and active Citizen of South Africa, or just shut up ... rants about Government wont fix Government, action will fix Government

  • VoxPopuli - 2015-03-22 13:35

    What happens when oil goes back up to $100 a barrel? R20 a litre?

      Bertus Pretorius - 2015-03-22 14:59

      You see, they actually didn't think so far ahead. We faced a (yet again) failing RAF and the state's wallet running dry with bailouts, inflated salaries like the president's and a gigantic number of state employees all demanding more. Solution(or opportunity) : hike the levies since the citizens are not paying that much for petrol anyway. A yet again short term solution to a very big problem that actually needs brains and clean hands. And with this lot, cronyism unfortunately determines who is making hard decisions.

      Michael Moolman - 2015-03-22 18:38

      No Voxi; when oil goes back up to and around R100/barrel, the Rand will strengthen against the USD, just enough so the price of fuel can stay in the region of the R13 to R14/ litre mark. We will NEVER EVER see cheap fuel prices in our lifetime again, just as long as the levy on fuel is any governments primary source of income. R9.90/ litre we paid a few months ago (only for a month), was an aberration.

      Deiter Mussett - 2015-03-22 20:41

      Oil is sold in dollars, not rands, and when oil price goes up again demand for dollars will increase and dollar will strengthen against rand, not become weaker.... Just makes sense! And you can cling to that pipedream of R14 again if oil prices goes back up, but additional levies in last budget speech tell me that will never happen! So pray that this global slowdown persists, at current rate of production US onland storage should reach capacity by May, and excess will flood the markets and bring oil prices down a little more!

  • Hordeum Ordeum - 2015-03-22 13:36

    At least voters know who to blame for it all. Votela ANC right?

      Nkosana P Pindi - 2015-03-22 14:19

      @mike ..................u need love,

      Mike Heyns - 2015-03-22 14:22

      Coming to think about it Renier, he is actually right? If the "whities" did not bring electricity to SA, there would not be an Eksdom problem, would there? Also no vehicles, thus no fuel increases?? And through corruption they would all buy black racing horses with someone running in the front screaming: "Blue, blue, blue, blue, bl.....!"

      Jon van der Heever - 2015-03-22 20:00

      Not to mention that 90% of South Africans who pay taxes didn't vote for the ruling party. There are over 50 million people living here, and only about 7% (3 million) of us are carrying the country! This is a SCARY thought, yet these clowns are milking us dry...

  • Monika Evans - 2015-03-22 13:41

    This whole government is just a big joke. Not even a funny one at that.

  • Jan Kuhn - 2015-03-22 13:44

    To add to this, we just had an interest rate hike. Must say, the state of the nation is bleak. Not to mention the Rand. Pity that 62% of the nation don't understand anything about this.

      Rehan Pretorius - 2015-03-22 14:50

      Zanele lol you are a idiot, fix it from the inside hahahahaha funny

      Bertus Pretorius - 2015-03-22 14:53

      Zanele - the good done by the anc outweighing the bad ten fold? The only ten fold happening is the fall of the Rand, increases in petrol and food costs and deterioration of state owned entities. I have also yet to see how SA is climbing tenfold up the international ranking when it comes to quality education and public healthcare. Our government also outweighs other countries' in size, yet it delivers the least service. Our president's salary also outweighs other first world countries' presidents'. And yet he sends in the deputy president to fix SAA and Eskom. Where is the leadership in that? Or is it a simple realisation that he simply lacks the means to actually take lead and not enrich himself with a R256 million house? Are you talking about a couple of shoddy built RDP houses being handed out, just before election time? Or a few food parcels perhaps at rallies? But please, educate me where the ANCs good outweighs the current crises facing SA?

      Paul Lessing - 2015-03-22 15:10

      Haha Zanele.... Hold on to that dream. The ANC is the master of its own destruction. Go and educate yourself about economics, and then come back and read your comment again. Stop being emotional about the ANC and start thinking rationally. Maybe then you will spot the difference. Fact is pre '94, the Rand was at about R1,50 to the Dollar. That is a 120% decline, in 20 years

      PeterJJhb - 2015-03-22 15:17

      Zanele... U have made a valid point! But ure wasting ure time trying to explain it to the narrow minded ones! As a white South African, I have to say... I am embarrassed by the stupidity of some people!

      Sterling Ferguson - 2015-03-22 15:57

      Zanela, the ANC led government didn't invest in Eskoms to increase the production of electricity, they put the money in the W Cup. The economic production continues to go down and the Rand is catching a beating. So, unless there is growth in the SA economy, there will be very little to share. Speaking of the sixty two percent, the people in the rural areas are told how to vote by the tribal chiefs and they are afraid to vote against the ANC. You don't have a voice in the government because the voters can't elect nobody to office.

      Bertus Pretorius - 2015-03-22 18:58

      Being called narrow minded for saying "Enough corruption and incompetence!" Brilliant.

      Bertus Pretorius - 2015-03-22 19:07

      I have absolutely no issue with people finally rising to their potential. But it will mean nothing if there is no electricity, infrastructure or education. Then we might as well just open fruit stalls and spaza shops next to the road. Currently the middle class is taking punches, which means those who just rose out of poverty will just fall back. And fancy cars will mean nothing if you have to park outside a shack.

      David Khumalo - 2015-03-23 08:15

      @Zanele, you raise the deficit issue, when the ANC took over it was at 80 billion rand it is standing above 2 trillion now, who do you blame the Nats ? What about the 700 billion of state money lost since 94 who do you blame the Nats ? What about the quarter of a billion spent on one mans house, who do you blame the nats ? Your blind following of the ANC is clouding your judgment they gave us freedom but they are failing this country horrible.

      Revelgen - 2015-03-23 10:06

      Zanele,I am thrilled when I see Black folk doing well on merit. We need millions more of them. But their occupation has to be based on ABILITY. The ANC have severely bloated our Civil Service to create 'employment', paying higher salaries than the private sector. But that is not 'employment', just a recycling of our taxes to make the ANC look good. We have a larger Civil Service than a country like Britain. And frequently staffed by incompetent people. Would you care to disagree with me? If not, why is SAA in such a mess, constantly relying on massive bailouts? Or Eskom, not planning ahead? Or our disastrous public health system - massive queues, stolen sheets, disagreeable healthcare professionals, who xenophobically dislike treating Africans of other countries? Truly, Zanele, the ANC have stuffed up South Africa. 144th out of 144 countries in Maths and Science. 95% of ALL taxes here paid by just 3 million people (I can give you the numbers, if you like). And 16 million on grants, often claimed by young girls who make babies just to get the grants.. I do not care WHAT the colour of people in leadership is, just so long as the have MERIT, ABILITY. Which by far the majority of ANC leaders do not have.

  • Robert Robinson - 2015-03-22 13:45

    They can up the electricity price i dont care i took my house of the grid with solar much beter and alot more pure power than eskoms i hope that pretty soon every one would have done the same

      Noah Noah - 2015-03-22 13:56

      yes robert i dont have R200 000 just lying around you know.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2015-03-22 14:13

      Robert Robinson. not everyone can afford to do that. Maybe we should hope the TESLA battery comes our way.

      anke.engelke.35 - 2015-03-22 14:16

      That seems to be the intelligent way forward. Would be great if you could also feed back into the grid and get paid for it. This would be a nice incentive as it is quite an investment initially.

      Selborne Collins - 2015-03-22 15:28

      Noah, if you can't afford it in one go, at least you can do it in stages. I started doing that in 2008. And already picking the fruits.

  • Jan Kuhn - 2015-03-22 13:46

    Get the outstanding money from Zim.

  • Danie Smith - 2015-03-22 13:47

    50 a litre,yes go tha anc

  • Michael Waverley - 2015-03-22 13:51

    So happy I get paid in dollar. Go the dollar!!

  • sthembize.zulu - 2015-03-22 13:55

    Meanwhile salaries will go up by a mere 4.5% on average ....

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2015-03-22 13:56

    Why are we all so worried about these matters of little consequence in our country? Don't you realise that the statue of Cecil John Rhodes has to come down, for heavens sake! This crucial life and death message our future leaders at UCT are trying so hard to bring to our attention, but we're just not listening to them - please don't make their vital contribution to society all for nothing!

  • Tebogo Nkwane - 2015-03-22 13:57

    Proudly brought to you by ANC!

  • Peter Webb - 2015-03-22 14:06


  • Caiphus Ndlovu - 2015-03-22 14:08

    just bought solarpanels and iam going to use them for lighting .radio.tv cellular charging iwill save a lot

      Jane Warrington - 2015-03-22 18:32

      How much did it cost you? Because I understand to go off grid totally is hundreds of thousands (panels, batteries, inverter etc)

  • Sam July Sibande - 2015-03-22 14:11

    The future looks bleak, very bleak.

  • Mluleki Krwempe - 2015-03-22 14:13

    Eskom must get back the money from municipalities they should use what they get from us for all these things and should review the. free electricity to the poor some people still earn

  • mica gogome - 2015-03-22 14:15

    I said it before that SA will never become right in the hands of Zuma,now we have to help him pay back the Nkandla money thats why all this rough increase.Thats my opinion.

  • Laurence Weyers - 2015-03-22 14:20

    Noah Noah you should change to cooking with gas and buy gas heated geyser. Total cost of stove, geyser and 4 filled gas bottles about R 8000. The gas stove and geysers you can buy on terms at any large hardware shop. Gas use about R 300 per 3 months. You should save about 60% on your electricity bill.

  • Matshane Seleko - 2015-03-22 14:37

    Well,only the middle class...and everybody else below them will be hit hard in the pocket.To politicians and corruption gurus,it'll just be a piece of cake.

  • Andrea van Niekerk - 2015-03-22 14:38

    Well....there you have it! It seems the the expression,better the devil you know,then the devil you don't have a new meaning lol...oh man,oh man,this will surely cause more strikes and dissatisfaction among the overall population and we all know what happens then...let's see how long this ride will last untill there is no tracks left.

  • Andrea van Niekerk - 2015-03-22 14:47

    @ themba....sir,can you please reconsider your statement???There is no need to fall back to the stone age and by no means is this problem small.These "increases" will effect everyone!So please get off your hi horse of political propoganda and start being part of the 'south african people'.Please tell me,how old are you?

  • Andrea van Niekerk - 2015-03-22 14:58

    and @ themba menyuka.....Please note the following....as far as I understand the ANC is the ruling party in the GP province,right?So please bear with me,the GP province has etolls,right?So who do you think employees these foreigners?When you want to make wild statements,you must also be willing to ride the wild horse....that means,falling down and taking the hits as they come!The ruling government is dropping EVERYONE!!!!So please understand that people WILL complain and have the right to do so!

  • Pumlani Mkhencele - 2015-03-22 15:03

    The bottom feeders are f*cked as usual why cant goverment subsidize petrol for all tax paying South African it would be the first decent thing that this goverment could truly be proud of Waging war against high petrol prices if that was only thing this goverment focused on than i would personally shake Mr Double Head Zuma's hand

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:33

      Not subsidizing but just charge the cost price + transport + admin + VAT 14% and + an average COST, no lawyers fees, of RAF. The Price for petrol on the pump will come down and the SA taxpayers could save min R 500 mill per day or R 180 bill per year. No, this greedy anc government need troughs to feed on. Crap!!!

  • Frank Talk - 2015-03-22 15:05

    So when do South Africans come out in their millions against this?

      sthembize.zulu - 2015-03-22 15:51

      There is an 'educated civilised' group who only protest through blogging on media sites. You never see them marching to demand change

      Jaco DeBeer - 2015-03-22 18:34

      Mageba - unfortunately, most have to go to work to earn money to get through the month and also keep their jobs. Many, like me, will lose their jobs if they just leave to go protest.

      sthembize.zulu - 2015-03-22 22:07

      Jaco. People everywhere in the world march to protest, France recently comes to mind following terrorist attack. I think this particular group here is full of themselves, self important

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:34

      Please tell me when and where, you can count on me and my family!

  • PeterJJhb - 2015-03-22 15:10

    Stop allowing illegal elec connections!!! Dumb idiots!

  • Ayanda Ace Malusi - 2015-03-22 15:17

    This is what happens when we have an uneducated idiot as out President. I think Ramaphosa should take over, at least his business minded and he knows a thing or two about the economy and business!

      Tumelo Eisenhower Tsatsi - 2015-03-23 09:41

      Ramaphosa and Zuma ....same difference

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:41

      Don't forget Marikana. Zuma is a communist and Rapaposa a capitalist. The last are even MORE BRUTAL, look at YouTube "police actions in America".

  • Gavin Boltman - 2015-03-22 15:17

    The high price to be paid for incompetence.

  • Stuart Irvine - 2015-03-22 15:22

    It's amazing they give out ultra extravagant bonuses to their useless executives and we Joe the consumer must pay for their ..... ups

  • Tyronne Panaino - 2015-03-22 15:25

    It seems its time for gas and solar

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:44

      Join each other on the streets and PROTEST!!!! Stop paying any cent to this anc government. Let them prosecute you like Zuma is prosecuted, after 10 years still not a cent.

  • Sandra Snyman - 2015-03-22 15:28

    When workers demand a 22% increase. Companies cant afford to pay. Means more strikes , more jobs losses , more poverty. Only the president and his cadres can afford electricity.

  • Joe Black - 2015-03-22 15:29

    And still the real problem... Those who do not pay... Is not addressed.

      Jaco De Witt - 2015-03-22 16:45

      And why should it as it forms the majority of their election base

  • Duncan Gohl - 2015-03-22 15:36

    If you think the Nats left the cupboard bare, watch this lot of thieves………..

  • Karen Christensen - 2015-03-22 15:47

    Why are Municipal customers being charged more?? More money for what? Bonuses, corruption???

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:47

      Cost of one KW about R 1, Cost for one KW on my electricity invoice R 12,- An increase of 1200% per month!!!!!! For who? Under one umbrella: CORRUPT CRIMINALS!

  • GraemeMusto7007 - 2015-03-22 16:08

    Viva ANC viva.... Satans

  • Hennie Thompson - 2015-03-22 16:13

    This is blatantly theft, oil the lowest in many years, it runs less than 50% of the average of the last couple of years, yes the rand dollar a concern, but not a R2.00 per liter concern? if Malema van say lets destroy all apartheid symbols, I suppose we can say, let us refuse to pay it, d what they did in England some years ago, and boycott the high fuel price, lets stop complaining and do something?

      Donovan Dunn - 2015-03-22 19:17

      You forget this includes the 80c levy increase already

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 11:48

      Let us meet on the streets!

  • Hennie Thompson - 2015-03-22 16:19

    what is the purpose of Sasol, Natref, PetroSA? was that not build to subsidize our fuel levy's? this government are abusing the Nation, open your eyes South Africa, you are building 10 Nkandlas, you only know about 1?

  • Jan Mare - 2015-03-22 16:29

    Esdom meet money for bonusses, please .

  • Stuart Lidstone - 2015-03-22 16:34

    Basically, fellow citizen, the RDP houses & monthly welfare payments, all necessary to keep the ANC in power, have bled the treasury dry. The treasury owes 40% more than it takes from joe citizen & company xyz in a year. To repay the interest on the loan, plus pay for the bloated government departments, the ANC has to increase personal tax & increase sin tax & increase fuel tax. They could have increased VAT but no doubt the backlash, from the vehicle-less plattelander, was feared more than the income. It is exactly like your monthly wages vs expenditure at home, just with many many 0000's. Economics 101 is that you can not indefinitely spend more than you can raise in taxes & sooner or later you & i will have to pay it back using our taxes. Those who can see what has to happen have left or will be shortly.

  • Rudi de Beer - 2015-03-22 16:36

    Only one option for me. Go off grid. Borrowing money to do so is starting to make sense. In 5 years from now electricity will cost between 60 and a 100% more. I won't be able to keep the lights on. Wonder how many people would. Great idea of government to supply a whole nation with the wonder of electricity if no one can afford it. It will stay a pipe dream.

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 12:01

      Rudi do you remember clown Kader Asmal? He was an anc "professor" and president of the African Association of International Law. About 10 years ago he came with the brilliant idea that people who used rain water, had to pay taxes according the surface of the ground they collected this water. Fortunately for SA, the whole world sent him to the moon as he intended to get this anc ruling applied by all countries. We all must STOP this corrupt and criminal government, sooner than later!!!

  • Hangwanie Craig - 2015-03-22 16:37

    To me this is the Government that promised good life....s**t...living will be like hell for us who cant afford...

  • Hangwanie Craig - 2015-03-22 16:38

    To me this is the Government that promised good life....s**t...leaving will be like hell for us who cant afford...

  • Fiona Ursula - 2015-03-22 16:38

    Ha you told you have to pay more for a product that you must not use. Now this is priceless. Eskom clearly have the worlds most stupid workforce.

  • Bastiaan Mulder - 2015-03-22 17:05

    I thought I was reading an article on Zimbabwe's economy...

      Zahir - 2015-03-23 21:14

      Basically the same except one is further south and has a sea

  • M.Sc Stratman - 2015-03-22 17:17

    I am getting off the grid. Fu@# this thieving incompetent Government and their incompetent cadres.

  • Whiz Bang - 2015-03-22 18:01

    Why is it that drivers who have insurance should pay the RAF? People who have insurance should get a certificate from the insurance company which enables them to not have to pay the RAF portion of the fuel price. Let those without insurance pay the levy.

  • Johan Diedericks - 2015-03-22 18:26

    If the ANC government can just steal a little less none of these increase will be necessary! Get the government to do their jobs and just stop stealing!

  • Herklaas Jantjies - 2015-03-22 19:18

    Seems our income is being nationalized.

  • Alec Louw Theunissen - 2015-03-22 19:29

    Petrol still cheap to compare to the rest of the world esp Europe.

      Michael Evans - 2015-03-22 19:44

      Yes. But our incomes are less too!

      Fred Blaggs - 2015-03-22 23:39

      No it is not.. You are using the exchange rate which is wrong . Use the PPI exchange rate and you'll see south Africa is very very expensive

      lizdon.ferguson - 2015-03-23 02:53

      But I don't live in Europe!? So why do I care?

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 12:40

      Yes and also many taxes are higher, VAT, their vehicle licences etc., BUT in the whole of Europe each and every citizen, even coming from abroad and accepted, are protected from birth to coffin. Look at their social security costs, inclusive medical, unemployment, education, pension, home care for sick and retired, interest rates also for home owners.

  • Nolan Singh - 2015-03-22 19:32

    There are many sectors contemplating to strike. Increase in petrol and electricity will essentially mean a strike. The math is not all that difficult. Increase in electricity + petrol is directly proportional to an increase in strike. Not everyone who has standard 3 will understand this.

      Frans Van Erk - 2015-03-23 12:42

      Please let us join each and every strike. It is the right way to act when we wish to get rid of these corrupt anc criminals.

  • Louis Lee - 2015-03-22 19:33

    I wish we could make the western cape independent. Cause south africa aint no more. Comon Zille!!!!

  • pages:
  • 1
  • 2