E-toll debt already more than R543m
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E-toll debt already more than R543m

2014-04-02 12:39

Cape Town - Gauteng motorists have run up more than half a billion rand in overdue fees since the province's e-tolling system started on December 3 last year, according to Transport Minister Dipuo Peters.

Less than 10% of this has been paid.

"I am informed that... as at March 1 [this year] an amount of R543 544 574 worth of invoices were transferred to the VPC [Violations Processing Centre]," she said in a written reply to a parliamentary question.

The VPC is the debt-collection division within the SA National Roads Agency (Sanral) responsible for the collection and processing of overdue e-toll transactions.

Contacted for comment on Wednesday, Sanral spokesperson Vusi Mona said the R543.5m included both those motorists with e-tags who had overdue accounts, as well as those who had not registered, but were picked up by the tolling system.

"It relates to those people who have amounts outstanding, whether registered or not," he said.

Mona could not immediately say what percentage of Gauteng motorists had registered to date.

In her response to the parliamentary question - posed by Democratic Alliance MP Ian Ollis - Peters also revealed that "an amount of R54 735 638 (excluding VAT) has been expended in the collection of the debt".

This figure included R32.8m "for postage and printing of invoices" and a further R21.9m for "the cost of debt collection processes".

However, responding to a second parliamentary question, Peters said of the total of R543.5m transferred to the VPC, only R50 043,487, or 9.21%, had been paid as at February 28.

Comments
  • Donovan Olivier - 2014-04-02 12:42

    Spending 54m to collect 50m is why this system will fail.

      Lian Smit - 2014-04-02 12:49

      The half billion debt together the 300m+ collected equates to almost a R1 billion revenue in 4 months?

      Susan Paul - 2014-04-02 12:52

      I did not ask for e-tolls, why should i pay "Zuma"

      NickvanGraan - 2014-04-02 12:57

      ....feel the pain, we warned you ..

      Badger - 2014-04-02 13:00

      True Donovan. Does this include the farmer in the Free State and his outstanding invoice for his tractor ???

      Japie JJ du Toit - 2014-04-02 13:04

      show me the contract that I have agreed to pay you - my taxes and fuel levey paid for it - dear madam - busta with you

      Stefan Van Der Spuy - 2014-04-02 13:12

      Exactly. And soon they will have to start using registered mail, that is, if they want to summons you for payment. And all those court cases, whoo boy. Sanral collecting about 30% of e-tolls through tags, the rest is building up as debt.

      Alicia Louise - 2014-04-02 13:20

      Say NO to e-tolls! Vote DA!

      Bheki Dladla - 2014-04-02 13:21

      Amandla...!!! We have them by their balls. Lets keep it up and we shall win this one I mean the signs are showing so already. Big ups to all who are against this system, it is due to fail for sure.

      Richard Zanner - 2014-04-02 13:24

      You mean R 50 million to collect R 543 Million but yes the argument you put forward is still valid. It is clear that the system is a fail. In another few months they will be chasing a Billion and spending a R 100 million to collect it. Then will follow crisis management which will lead to higher tolls and higher petrol prices oh and off course our roads will have bigger potholes. Driving to Dulstroom on the week-end was a joke. It was like running the gauntlet

      Freddie Kruger - 2014-04-02 13:33

      E-tolls are just street décor...my kids love it when I drive though them...I'm not paying a cent for that crap!

      Andrew MacDonald - 2014-04-02 13:34

      Hi Richard. no, 540 million has been transferred to the Violations collection agency to be chased. only 50 million has been paid. the collection of this 50 million cost 54 million. monumental co ck up which cannot and will not survive public refusal to play along.

      Dmitri Dumas - 2014-04-02 13:35

      This figure included R32.8m "for postage and printing of invoices" WTF !!!

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-02 13:39

      I wonder how much the total debt is (sanral) so far. There are plenty of e-toll outlets all full staffed, crappy advertising campaigns, lights on at all times of the day, etc.....? PS... if Diphead Pietts says something, there is a lie in there somewher...

      Mitesh Dahya - 2014-04-02 13:44

      ...And we still AIN'T gonna pay...

      Pierre Pretorius - 2014-04-02 13:46

      e-Toll/SANRAL will soon implode if we just keep on delaying payments. Also, is it considered debt if you "owe" it to criminals?

      Wehr Wulf - 2014-04-02 13:49

      Gee, who saw this coming. Which part of " go fck yourselves" did they not understand? As for the 10% who paid, you are cowards.

      Ryan Styles - 2014-04-02 13:55

      Amen to that

      James Santam - 2014-04-02 13:59

      I'm running out to buy post office shares!

      robespear - 2014-04-02 14:04

      How can any amount be outstanding when SANRAL have not issued any valid tax invoices? Get ready SANRAL & Treasury the rating agencies are going to take you to the cleaners!

      Gavin Venter - 2014-04-02 14:15

      if Zuma can write his response - why can't we ? user pay or loser pay ? you can all send your letters to Zuma c/o nkandla, please don't use any big words, letters in crayon with images are preferred.

      Martin Pienaar - 2014-04-02 14:17

      Victory Party at NKandla open day on June 16!

      Lee Parmenter - 2014-04-02 14:18

      Exactly - not a great business model.

      Badger - 2014-04-02 14:28

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      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-02 14:30

      To all those that got intimidated into getting the tag, please remove it today and stop paying Sanral. As you can see there is hundreds of thousands of people not paying and it will be totally impossile for law enforcement to procecute this number of people. The system is collapsing and the sooner it collapses the lower the amount of money that flows off-shore to Kapsch.

      Michael Kleber - 2014-04-02 14:33

      They sent me an invoice for R6 , i kid you not

      Fiwals West - 2014-04-02 15:07

      Now imagine the cost of prosecuting us, once again, we did not ask for this we had 3 lanes on the highway you did a sh*t job anyway as this highway is crinkling wait till the end of the year, traffic is not better, even after the heavy traffic I damage my car on the normal roads. COME ON CITIZENS OF GAUTENG WE OWN THIS COUNTRY ITS A DEMOCRACY!!!

  • Beata Rossudowski - 2014-04-02 12:44

    I did not ask for it, I will not pay for it!!! LOL

      Omgeklits DeMaaifudí - 2014-04-02 14:48

      Such a positive news story for a change amongst the bad news.

  • Freddie Miller - 2014-04-02 12:45

    ...and counting...

  • Makhosonke Mqikela - 2014-04-02 12:49

    Wow you'll have to sweat to get mine because I do not have :P

  • Matches Matthews - 2014-04-02 12:49

    The motorist did not agree to this blatant stealing - so therefore there is nop debt. If the infrastructure is for the public then let the public vote on how and what and where their money should be spend.

      Freddie Miller - 2014-04-02 14:26

      You will get your chance on 07 May. Don't waste it.

  • Harley Quin - 2014-04-02 12:50

    Proud to say i am one of the debtors :)

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:22

      And you didn't have an agreement with me! Keep it up! They can ask Zuma to pay back our tax money first!

      Bheki Dladla - 2014-04-02 13:26

      me too and it feels f**ken good

      Missmizz Sabath - 2014-04-02 13:26

      Me too, and always will be!!!

      Shaun Neveling - 2014-04-02 13:34

      So this is how freedom feels? It's good.

      Lebogang Modukanele - 2014-04-02 13:43

      me too, I think they will build a prison "Nkandla style" to lock-up all of us who are not paying the e-tols.

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-02 14:23

      Ditto

  • Celeste de Lange - 2014-04-02 12:50

    The collection costs were always going to be more than the actual tolls itself. That was the whole argument from the start. Now they see it black on white. And we still won't pay for it as we did not sign a credit agreement with them. As Vusi admitted recently, they are not a financial services provider so they cannot blacklist you.

  • UNITY - 2014-04-02 12:51

    I did not ask for e-tolls, I cannot afford to pay for it! Ever heard of a system whereby in just ove 3 months since implementation, the public in Gauteng is liable for 543 mill? With e-tolls inacuracy in billing the figure can set at over 2 bill in just a year.

  • Christiaan Du Plessis - 2014-04-02 12:51

    Well done guys! Keep it up!

      Vérité Un - 2014-04-02 12:57

      Thank you, it's feels good to know that my contribution is appreciated.

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-02 14:36

      When enough people stand together and go against against a corrupt system, the system will collapse. It is just a matter of time, many of those that got tagged will probably also join the fight when they see that Sanral is loosing.

  • mmatau - 2014-04-02 12:53

    The system is dying a faster death lol!!

  • John Camp - 2014-04-02 12:53

    This is tragic *grin* *smile* *hysterical laughter*

  • Isabel Rodriguez - 2014-04-02 12:54

    Well if Zuma says that he wont pay for something he didn't ask for then I shall follow in his footsteps, I didn't ask for it so I wont pay for it. Stand strong and bring down Etolls, otherwise we will build a Gantry over Nkandla and get back our money.

      Juanita Van Zyl - 2014-04-02 12:58

      Hahahaha - glad to see s many great minds thinking alike! ;)

  • Clive Adrian Hammond - 2014-04-02 12:55

    Eish, two times nkandla! Sorry lol

  • James Rogers - 2014-04-02 12:56

    Well done Gauteng, lets stand together

  • Nana Marang - 2014-04-02 12:57

    Someone please explain this all to me please. How do accumulate debt for something you didn't agree to. If Foshini calls me and offers me an account but I decline, why would I owe them money? Look, I'm not stupid but I fail to understand all this.

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:18

      Nice one & it's true girl! No legal agreement! They can go to hell as far am concerned!

      Jonathan Woods - 2014-04-02 13:25

      Nana he would argue it is because HE gave you a world class road, not one from Malawi, so when you use it you must pay HIM! And if you don't wont to then you must use the other road that is worse than the ones in Malawi. You know the ones where you can get lost in the pothole and never be found again. And he would also argue. Why must he spend money on these others roads when HE is not going to travel on them.

      Leigh-Rose Jenkins - 2014-04-02 13:40

      But, but ... Johnathan, just this morning after turning off the "world class" road, I got lost in and had to be rescued from a pothole. Are you saying the reason this happened is because although I dutifully pay fuel levy (ok, it's not like I can avoid paying THAT one), income tax, license tax, etc, I can only expect that pothole to be fixed if I allow Zoomer and his cronies to put a gantry somewhere along it?

      Lebogang Modukanele - 2014-04-02 13:47

      wake up sister, things are now done Nkandla style

      robespear - 2014-04-02 14:20

      It is legislated... you pass a gantry and you owe the cash. Whether they can get it out of you is another matter. All tax systems rely on citizens playing ball... when citizens actively and passively resist the government en massse - it can only fail.

  • Juanita Van Zyl - 2014-04-02 12:57

    AWESOME!!!!! We didn't ask for E-Tolls just like Zuma didn't ask for Nkandla. Maybe if he pays for Nkandla, I'll pay for E-Tolls.

  • Dylan Taylor - 2014-04-02 12:57

    Someone who wants to make money needs to register those things as advertising spaces because all they are going to become ......Johannesburg's biggest billboards!

  • Adri Vosloo - 2014-04-02 12:58

    Like our Number 1 friend says: We will not pay because we did not asked for it!!!!

  • Zola Rakwena - 2014-04-02 12:58

    Well done gauteng people keep up the good work we did not ask for etoll.Another pyramid scheme by goverment get rich quick while we are suffering

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:16

      Exactly! Enough is enough! If you all get arrested then they will have to spend more money in correctional service department to accommodate all of us!

  • Kagisho Dark - 2014-04-02 12:58

    Tax payer prepare yourself

      Leigh-Rose Jenkins - 2014-04-02 13:05

      For what? The collapsing of the gantries? We're already well prepared for that!

      Vaughan - 2014-04-02 13:07

      For what? That the government actually performs its core function and uses tax payers money for the maintenance of roads?

      Wesley Green - 2014-04-02 13:08

      exactly, we gonna pay for it anyway. but keep it up Gauteng! you doing great

      UNITY - 2014-04-02 14:03

      As taxpayers, we are already paying for all the mistakes installed by the ANC government. Recover the 226 mill from Nkandla to foot this bill, its taxpayers money!!!

      Leigh-Rose Jenkins - 2014-04-02 14:20

      Unity. They need to recover the R30 BILLION that they lost, stole, misspent etc, before I'll start to take them seriously...

      Ntsieni Takalani Nemakhavhani-Khoza - 2014-04-02 14:30

      My brother, you are very lost!! Nkandla is we're you belong!!

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-02 14:44

      The GFIP debt was always going to be paid with tax money as most of the money collected through e-tolls will hardly cover total running costs. Turning off the system will actually save the tax payer money as we will end up subsidising the failing e-toll collection system.

      Joey Barton - 2014-04-02 14:47

      Kagisho Dark - You are right, they are always looting our tax.There are so many good things we can do with our taxes. The cost of building the gantries etc, could have been used to building schools.The money they get from building and maintaining the roads already come from the license fees we pay for our cars etc.Then there is that stupid fuel levy which we don't know where it goes to.Zuma is a rapist,he is shagging us terribly.

  • June Francis - 2014-04-02 12:59

    I will not pay - take me to court.

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:14

      No worries they won't have time to take u to court & hope no money too!

      James Smythe - 2014-04-02 14:22

      And when they start that crap, then we start to duck and dive like crazy - to make sure it costs even more to chase us into court than they could ever imagine! By the time they are done they will spend R10 to collect R1! Phark 'em!

      Joey Barton - 2014-04-02 14:48

      June Francis - there will be a very long line for that court.

  • Bra Pi Thami - 2014-04-02 13:00

    Mona and the "gang" thnk they can hold the people of Gauteng resposible for somethng they "didnt ask for it".they must swallow their bitter pill or ask for a refund 4rom Nkandla n settle dept......

  • nthabiseng.magatikele - 2014-04-02 13:00

    Great,now it will be impossible for some people to build more swimming pools!keep up the good work motorists!bbmhugs#

  • Bianca Lottering - 2014-04-02 13:00

    Do not pay, all the other provinces stand behibd you.

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:10

      Gauteng will support you! Don't pay at all.

  • Kobus Hattingh - 2014-04-02 13:02

    ROFL

  • Dan B Pheelwane - 2014-04-02 13:05

    breasttaking figure i must say

      Shaun Neveling - 2014-04-02 13:23

      breasttaking? Interesting choice of words, more impressive than breathtaking

      Ray McLellan - 2014-04-02 14:02

      breasttaking is just so accurate .. they trying to milk us fo sho ..

  • Roger McFall - 2014-04-02 13:06

    bwaaahahaaahaahaaa......thats almost 2 Nkandla's!

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:12

      They planned this e-toll to steal more money from us! Hope it double up Inkandla amount

  • Stiaan Jonker - 2014-04-02 13:07

    ask the government to pay for it, they wanted it, and signed for it, we did not want it!!

      Africa Peterson - 2014-04-02 13:09

      100%! They can print invoicing as much they want! No one request that too!

  • Celeste de Lange - 2014-04-02 13:07

    In February Nazir Alli went on public radio to say that R300million have been collected by then. Liar liar pants on fire!

      Leon Schnell - 2014-04-02 13:09

      Celeste, if you read the article you'll see the R50 million figure was paid from the bad debt transferred to the VPC ... NOT total payments (i.e. from e-Tags working as designed).

  • Celeste de Lange - 2014-04-02 13:08

    And they do not have the funds to take you to court!

  • Marius van Rooyen - 2014-04-02 13:09

    Did not ask for it, will NOT pay it!

  • Roger McFall - 2014-04-02 13:11

    Its only five hundred and four thousand, three million...fifty four thousand, three....five hundred forty million thousand....

  • Ygivadamn - 2014-04-02 13:11

    If there's 1 topic that unites SA its common fight to resist the e-tolls. Just looks at the "likes" on all comments....Once again thank you ANC for unifying us you. #DONTASKDONTPAYetoll

  • AJ Scheepers - 2014-04-02 13:12

    hahahahahahahahahaha

  • James Williams - 2014-04-02 13:12

    They should just charge everyone etag rates and write the rest off to the greedy extortion line on their income statement. But even then most will be unwilling to pay the lower fees for a draconian, ridiculous system which is collecting more than is necessary to main the roads.

      James Williams - 2014-04-02 13:13

      maintain the roads...not main the roads!

  • Ceba Mlandu - 2014-04-02 13:12

    hahahaha

  • AJ Scheepers - 2014-04-02 13:12

    Hahahahahahahahaha

  • Percy Mabunda - 2014-04-02 13:14

    Nkandla was build before eTolls so Zuma must pay first and we can maybe start talking about eTolls.

  • Solly Masilo Wa Monepja - 2014-04-02 13:14

    lol...we "can't pay sumthng we didnt ask for"

  • Aaron Vusi - 2014-04-02 13:14

    how can we pay something we didn't ask for they build e,toll without telling us we won't pay it because we didn't ask for the money that was supposed to be paid by Zuma they must pay e,toll with it

  • mathew.krog - 2014-04-02 13:18

    I am a proud non payer!!! Screw scamral and the ANC!!!!

  • Carl Botha - 2014-04-02 13:18

    Well, South Africans are infamous for their inability to stand together and rather go home to their family and be happy. But for the very same reason this way-of-life could sink E-Toll, BECAUSE WE ARE JUST GOING TO WORK, AND ARE DOING NOTHING ELSE!

  • Spike Farrell - 2014-04-02 13:19

    I'd like to know how they are going to overcome the numerous false number plates going through the system, the logistics alone are mind-numbing! This is turning out to be a cock-up of the first magnitude!

  • Riekas Lebaka - 2014-04-02 13:20

    We are not going to pay for sumthing we did not ask for.sorry sanral go home there is no money for you here they lied to you

  • Greg Saunders - 2014-04-02 13:20

    First world technology in a third world country...

  • ramasela.vumile - 2014-04-02 13:22

    Let them take 241mill from zumas nkandla and pay those etolls.

  • Missmizz Sabath - 2014-04-02 13:23

    SANRAL - WE TOLD YOU SO!!!

  • Bennie Bester - 2014-04-02 13:24

    Nzair was talkin crap "In an interview with John Robbie of Talk Radio 702 last Friday, Alli thanked “the over 1 million users of the roads who had registered”. He said that Sanral was now receiving “over R300m per month, exceeding our target of R200m” and was therefore “meeting our obligations”." did the ANC take the rest? rofl

  • Renier du Toit - 2014-04-02 13:25

    Pathetic! I have paid more than R1000 since December already via the internet with the correct reference, but still it doesn't reflect against my account. I pray they take steps against me!

      Jonathan Woods - 2014-04-02 13:32

      Renier you are a good man. But sometimes doing the right thing for the wrong reason is ends up as being wrong. Do youself and everyone else a favour. Deregister and stop paying.

      Missmizz Sabath - 2014-04-02 13:49

      Sorry mate! Your picture looks like an intelligent person. I'd have thought you saw this coming before you registered, and I agree with Jonathan - deregister!

      Ray McLellan - 2014-04-02 14:08

      I also thought his pic looked quite intelligent ... but then never judge a book by its cover eh?

  • Hlanganani Rikhotso - 2014-04-02 13:25

    I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it.