E-toll bill can't stop licence renewals
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E-toll bill can't stop licence renewals

2014-04-02 19:16

Cape Town - Unpaid e-toll bills cannot lead to the withholding of vehicle licence registrations.

This clarification was given by the director of licensing and prosecutions of the Johannesburg metro police department, Gerrie Gerneke.

Speaking on Talk Radio 702 earlier this week, he explained that “there's no legislation which prohibits motorists from renewing their vehicle licences if they have outstanding e-toll bills”.
 
"His explanation clarifies that the failure to pay an e-toll bill was not a traffic infringement, and that the traffic authorities have no jurisdiction over non-payment of e-tolls bills," said the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa)
 
“This is the first unambiguous statement from any authority that we have heard on a major issue of confusion surrounding e-toll bills,” said Outa spokesperson John Clarke.

Ambiguity clarified

“It will not please Sanral to have the ambiguity clarified, as the ‘threat’ of a withholding of a vehicle licence, along with bad debt and criminal records has caused many motorists to contact Outa seeking reassurance.”

Clarke regretted that Sanral had "opted for the big stick approach by legislating that the non-payment of e-tolls would be regarded a criminal offence".

“Applied together with exorbitant punitive tariffs, Sanral thought this would give the state sufficient clout to force users to submit to the system,” said Clarke.

“It has totally backfired."

So far nobody has been charged or arrested for non-payment of e-tolls, according to Outa.


Comments
  • Rhenus Malovhele - 2014-04-02 19:24

    Am just not paying. ...

      Wehr Wulf - 2014-04-02 19:33

      There you go. It's been clarified. The two matters are separate. Keep not paying folks.

      UNITY - 2014-04-02 19:39

      I did not ask for e-tolls," so I cannot pay for something I did not ask for" taken from JZ .The ANC has failed by trying to force this system onto people by signing it into law. They will run GP province into ruins with this system!

      Godfrey Welman - 2014-04-02 20:01

      Yep, so much of "a good story to tell" LOL

      Mc Segal - 2014-04-02 20:47

      Depends....if they tried that stunt...how much or many motorists would not be paying their licence fees??? 400 000 cars @ say R300.00 per car = less money for E natis..

      Rob Martin - 2014-04-02 21:23

      Sanral should get derailed.

      Eugene Meyer - 2014-04-03 07:30

      I like how they say the 9c petrol levy wouldn't be fair for motorists in other regions of the country, but its ok for Gauteng road users to foot the bill of a R2 billion control centre which will monitor other regions???? Well Im not paying a cent...just saying.

      DerekMain - 2014-04-03 10:09

      Just like they said "the user must pay", so too Zuma should pay for Nkandla as he and his family are the users - why should the rest of us pay for that. Keep up the good fight Gautengers - you are an inspiration!

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-03 10:18

      Now that people can see that the vast majority of people are not paying for e-tolls even more people will join the boycott. The threats of jail are so pathetic that the resistance against the Sanral will just grow more. We still do have a legal system in SA so due process has to be followed and Sanral cannot just 'throw people into jail'.

      Lesedi Lebese Lesedi Lebese - 2014-04-03 15:37

      I need a favour from everyone here. Please take a screenshot of this awesome article EVER or copy the link then send to everyone you know! Print it out and send via post if you have to. Lets educate one another. Morse code it or smoke signal it if you can.

  • Valerie Vale - 2014-04-02 19:25

    SANRAL go to hell!!!

  • Lourens Smith - 2014-04-02 19:26

    Good!

  • Mavhungu Chris - 2014-04-02 19:27

    tanx 4 de clarity i was on my way 2 buy

  • Desiree Rowe - 2014-04-02 19:28

    HaHAHAHAHA!! See what happens when you under estimate the South African eventually we have enough and start fighting back our way.

      Mc Segal - 2014-04-02 20:48

      Agree Desiree but why wait until we are really in a corner????

  • Ambani Netswinga - 2014-04-02 19:31

    Like it

  • Thamsanqa D't - 2014-04-02 19:33

    Lol..... so they have nothing against me

  • JohnDe - 2014-04-02 19:35

    Seen an apt photo recently; "Send the E-Toll invoice to JZ in his personal capacity".JZ introduced this horrible unethical system, and he yet "he" personally owes SA tax payers R246m for vandalizing SA tax payer funds for renovations to his homestead; his personal home. JZ and his new ANC (NEC too) are an embarrassment to SA to the rest of the world.

  • Asseblief Tog - 2014-04-02 19:35

    Stupid brain-dead morons! I am so happy to see this. Think I will take a drive NOW on that highway. There is a man I have to see about a camera... an e-toll camera

  • MrG - 2014-04-02 19:37

    Withhold license is obstruction of justice...tell them to beat it. Come live in KZN the place to be

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-03 08:51

      Remeber if Sanral win in Gauteng, you are all going to get tolling... So in the interest of national unity, please bog down SANRAl wherever possible...

  • ProfAndyZulu - 2014-04-02 19:44

    Sanral is sooo true to the colours of most "metro-cops"... (1) Step 1: They stop you (2) Step 2: They threaten you (3) Step 3: They say they can assist (4) Step 4: They solicit a bribe. Translation: if you are threatened by any traffic police, automatically assume they want a bribe. Solution: (1) Step 1: look suitably guilty, perplexed and frightened (2) Step 2: Wait for them to ask for money (for lunch, for cool-drinks, for their "christmas box", to check your wallet, etc) (3) Step 3: 3.1 Pull out your wallet and show them you only have R20... 3.2 Say "give me the fine"... 3.3 Say "are you trying to bribe me?"... (4) Step 4: Wait for reaction 4 (5) Step 5: Drive away

  • tshililo.siobo - 2014-04-02 19:44

    SANRAL need to erect a new e-toll to Zuma's homestead in Nkandlha.

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-03 08:53

      And that is a brand new highway, not a minor change to an existing highway...

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-03 10:01

      Problem is that he will just pay for the Nkandlha toll fees with our tax money. Do you think he pays for one cent when the whole motorcade of 20 vehicles drives down the M1.

      Maureen Claridge - 2014-04-14 14:36

      but the e-toll must bill helicopters as well

  • Mike 881 - 2014-04-02 19:47

    I do not support corruption thus will never get an e-tag! Had goverment adopted a 9c per litre increase, instead of the perpetual debt of e-tolls the entire highway improvement would have already been paid for. Their argument of user pay priciple is a load of bollocks as the fuel companies are going to have to increase the fuel price to cover the etolls cost of transporting fuel to the filling stations - thus increasing the fuel price anyway to the detriment of everyone! Stupid, stupid, greedy, corrupt government!!!

  • Theunis De Jongh - 2014-04-02 19:47

    And the other threats will disappear as well. SANRAL chose to lie to the public they are supposed to SERVE, and used baseless intimidation tactics. Shame on you SANRAL. We are all embarrassed on behalf of RSA - the franchise you are supposed to promote - with achievements of excellence!

  • Mopapa Tshwikiri - 2014-04-02 19:47

    Those with e-tags must seriously consider paying a lot more to make the outstanding difference of the R543m that was invoiced. Only 10% was paid. The e-tag holders should just pay 9times more to make up for the outstanding 90%

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-03 08:55

      Good point Mopapa - increase the e-toll rates for all those that have e-tags to cover the bad debt ....

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-03 10:04

      Excellent idea ... but seriously, any private individual who got a tag and is paying must be feeling really silly now> I'm pretty sure that many have already stopped paying or will now that they realize that a million or more other people have not paid.

  • Rofhiwa Ronald - 2014-04-02 19:51

    E-tolls is another loose bomb with a faulty fuse like nkandla that refuse to explode to the designated target . thanks god e-tolls now backfires to the big shot of ANC who implement this thinking of its going tob lucrative

  • Vivian Donnelly - 2014-04-02 19:52

    You have to pay your outstanding traffic fines before you can renew your license. Speeding fines for instance

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-04-02 19:58

      You are dead wrong!

      Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat - 2014-04-02 20:25

      Nope. They don't check for any of that.

      drsparky - 2014-04-03 07:47

      I actually pay my traffic fines... I was wrong. E-tolls... never ever!!

  • Nicoleen Mia Steyn - 2014-04-02 20:06

    They call it a FREEway for a reason.

  • Clive Adrian Hammond - 2014-04-02 20:20

    Go ahead, blacklist 70 percent of gauteng too! Wake up!

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2014-04-03 10:13

      Sanral cannot blacklist anyone ... even if they could all rating agencies and financial institutions would simply ignore any e-toll debt as they don't want to loose business through something as stupid as that.

  • jacques.h.kirchner - 2014-04-02 21:00

    I recently moved to JHB. My cars have Cape Town plates and I just renewed both of the licences. Got to admit. Thought they were going to try and nail me that way...Think I might go on a wekkend drive now trying to hit as many of those gantrees as I can! FU Sanral!

  • jacques.h.kirchner - 2014-04-02 21:00

    I recently moved to JHB. My cars have Cape Town plates and I just renewed both of the licences. Got to admit. Thought they were going to try and nail me that way...Think I might go on a wekkend drive now trying to hit as many of those gantrees as I can! FU Sanral!

  • jacques.h.kirchner - 2014-04-02 21:00

    I recently moved to JHB. My cars have Cape Town plates and I just renewed both of the licences. Got to admit. Thought they were going to try and nail me that way...Think I might go on a wekkend drive now trying to hit as many of those gantrees as I can! FU Sanral!

  • thozi - 2014-04-02 21:03

    I just saw people come with big machines and erect funny structures over all over the highways we use regularly. Now they say we have benefited and want us to pay... I ain't paying nothin', I never asked for no tolls.

  • Drexlar Mutant - 2014-04-02 21:51

    These bandits from Nkandla have underestimated us, we are gatvol beyond belief! I don't think they predicted this non-compliance, but this is what you get when you don't read academic research and case studies. These dum-dums were warned about the system, and they ignored expert opinions. The bottomline is; F*ck Off!

  • Martin Jansen - 2014-04-02 21:54

    Zuma said he didn't ask for Nkandla, so he's not paying anything. We didn't ask for e-toll. What is the difference?

  • chesterwa - 2014-04-03 04:21

    Like our president said, I did not ask for this, so why should I pay for it. It the government fault. Lead by example.

  • Angela Heywood - 2014-04-03 05:45

    Sanral expected JHB citizens to "do the right thing!" and pay up for e-tolling - but guess what happened - nothing!! And nothing, will continue to happen as far as paying for this corrupt, unasked for & money grabbing scam! Well done to those who contributed to Sanral's R500m+ outstanding unpaid invoices! Let's hope it keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger until SANRAL are swimming in this (slimy) debt! Sanral clear your ears and LISTEN to the public for a change - WE DO NOT WANT AND WILL NEVER (GET IT N E V E R) PAY FOR E-TOLLS! So YOU do the "right thing" and scrap it once and for all!

      drsparky - 2014-04-03 07:57

      People in cars are the educated, tax-paying middle-class citizens. The ANC support base is *mostly* uneducated, poor people (i.e. those getting grants, etc.) that cannot afford a car. The ANC is used to their unwavering, unquestioning support and acceptance of policy. The middle-class individual is a different breed... They were not expecting this kind of resistance.

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-03 09:00

      Yer Drsparky, but remember the commercial guys have already included the additional costs into their goods, so it is probably hurting the poor more than anybody else..

  • Jimmy James - 2014-04-03 06:28

    Zuma no longer president. Why he did not pay his e-toll bill!!!

      Klaus Walter - 2014-04-04 01:25

      U drunk??

  • Andre van Schalkwyk - 2014-04-03 06:48

    Just to add my voice - I WILL NOT PAY!

  • John Stoltz - 2014-04-03 06:56

    Nazir Ali, now let's see what other trick you can pull out of the hat!! Never before in the history of mankind, did so few, try to steal so much, from so many!! (already over taxed South Africans) May God one day have mercy on your souls!!

  • drsparky - 2014-04-03 07:42

    Dear SANRAL. You have made a mistake. Please admit it... then, let's start using the petrol levy for the role it was envisioned. The gantries can then be used for traffic monitoring/traffic violations/crime prevention. E-tolls are not going to work - we both know it. I am not paying. Not because I can't - but because I have an ethical problem with it.

      James Williams - 2014-04-03 11:50

      100% drsparky. Deep down they know they messed up, just too proud and arrogant to admit it.

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-04-08 11:30

      A deliberate mistake! The real reason is corruption - why else are they fighting tooth and nail to prevent the contract details with Kapsch to become public? But this unworkable system is failing anyway - just don't get tagged and don't pay!

  • Marc Anthony Webb - 2014-04-03 07:57

    Wouldnt matter to me it would mean one less source of income to the CancEROUS thieves...Then I would invite any METRO cop to stop me and take me off the road,the gloves need to come off just simply had enough!!!

  • Johan Davel - 2014-04-03 08:23

    I say keep Zuma as President. He is the worm in the ANC apple. If people see the worm they will throw the apple away. It wont help removing Zuma if the corruption supporting ANC party still rules SA!

  • Deeked De Dose - 2014-04-03 08:41

    Thats nice... still not paying...

  • Lunetic Mental - 2014-04-03 08:45

    Dear News24. "REGISTRATION" OF A VEHICLE, AND "RENEWAL" OF A LICENCE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

  • veektor.vahl - 2014-04-03 09:13

    Da peepel have spoken!

  • Matthew Leslie Charles Carter - 2014-04-03 09:41

    I refuse to pay...but when sanral sends me the invoices the invoices are about a month old, they are a bunch of idiots

  • Martjie Louw - 2014-04-03 13:56

    Received first bill 2 months late! Gave them correct address 3 times, they keep on getting a different address. The R14 bill is now at R500, and they still have an incorrect address for me, but I refuse to call them to correct this for the 4th time. And they say it is my responsibility and I have to pay the late payment fee? They sure have a sense of humour at SANRAL

  • Siphelele Stefane Master - 2014-04-03 14:31

    SO THOSE WHO STARTED PAYING MUST STOP.

  • Siphelele Stefane Master - 2014-04-03 14:33

    ZUNA MUST COVERTHE DEBTS, HE OWES US BIG TIME!

  • Siphelele Stefane Master - 2014-04-03 14:36

    ZUMA MUST COVER WHAT EVER SANRAL NEEDS, HE OWES US BIG TIME!

  • Brad Peng - 2014-04-03 14:59

    Zuma Zuma, who is going to pay for your next compound? XD

      Blantina Seganye - 2014-04-03 20:55

      I didnt ask 4 Etoll de must remove it

  • Tshepo Seabelo - 2014-04-05 00:55

    Viva!

  • Daan van Rensburg - 2014-04-05 07:21

    Share on Facebook!

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-04-08 11:32

      I've done many! Every time some new ballsup is uncovered by No2tolls, I share! Let the world know about this corruption!

  • Raymond Kok - 2014-04-14 18:51

    let them go fly a kite straight through hell, and while you there ,tell the devil i am well

  • DesirĂ©e Lourens - 2014-04-22 10:22

    You know what gets me, we are already paying tax on everything associated with our vehicles and then we still need to cough up more for the E-tolls. Majority of us don't even get annual increases anymore, nor bonuses, but everything keeps going up! How are we suppose to make a living? Feed our families? if we are bombarded from all avenues with pay this, pay that ... Every year you earn less with the inflation, where will it ever end!

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