Donations could cost BEE points

2012-11-01 08:20

Johannesburg - Businesses could lose black economic empowerment points for making donations to charities which do not have 100% black beneficiaries, it was reported on Thursday.

This was according to amendments to the BEE Codes of Good Practice, on the trade and industry department's website, and available for public comment until December 2, The Star reported.

"All stakeholders who have concerns and objections are requested to make use of the 60-day period to make their submission," the department said.

Bridget Brun, a Durban BEE agency head, told the newspaper: "This amendment will have a huge effect. It means that if the charity benefits any Indian, white, coloured or even a Mozambican or Zimbabwean child, companies will not be able to claim points on their BEE scorecard. We are going to have segregated facilities."

Childline head Joan van Niekerk said BEE laws were becoming ridiculous.

"We don't know the race of the child who phones us. It's inappropriate to ask, 'Are you black, and how black are you?' This is a different kind of apartheid."

  • lulama - 2012-11-01 08:26

    BEE is no longer relevant, lets do away with this thing.

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-11-01 08:36

      BEE has just become another name for legal extreme racialism

      chris.gill.9849 - 2012-11-01 08:42

      And we all know where these donations go when they're given to BEE companies. How many 100% BEE companies does Malema own again?

      maree.cassie - 2012-11-01 08:45

      Agreed! Charities are people in need! No matter what the color of their skin is! This in Insane!

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-11-01 08:49

      All in favour of BBBEEEE or what ever the hell they call themselves now is racist, SAY I

      george.outremer - 2012-11-01 09:05

      Indeed, this issue needs to be tabled with the Constitutional Court for a legal precedent. We all know that BEE serves only to enrich the black elite and government cadres.

      bruce.williams.1044186 - 2012-11-01 09:07

      What a joke! Are these people sane in the heads. Surely any charity can be seen to be helping underprivileged and assisting a minority!! idiotic

      matli.mokoena - 2012-11-01 09:11

      Lulama, clearly you didnt read the census results released yesterday. BEE is still very much relevant. Though it needs to be implemented better.

  • frank.vankaapstad - 2012-11-01 08:27

    More racist ANC policies!

  • Rob Allen - 2012-11-01 08:28

    ya well congrats to the ANC, SA is now more racist than ever

  • frederick.nel - 2012-11-01 08:29

    Wow simply amazing.. i give up on this country!

  • noelle14 - 2012-11-01 08:31

    Now the kids are suffering! I am gonna paint all the coloured kids I support BLACK now! Flippen hell ANC.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-01 08:39

      Noelle : Colourds ARE Black for BEE purposes --Thats hoe Farcically nonsensical this whole thing is !! I refuse utterley to make ANY Large Purchase from BEE Accredited Coys ---I simply ask "are u BEE Accredited" --If they (proudly) say YES I go elsewhere . WE should all do it .

  • ben.spreeth - 2012-11-01 08:31

    Good to know who the enemy of the people is.

  • dewalds3 - 2012-11-01 08:31

    Eish - from ludicrous to downright pathetic!

  • Marcel Mozzy Bolzli - 2012-11-01 08:32

    Companies will eventually just stop giving donations it's as simple as that.. A charity/donation should be seen as a type of an investment.. Businesses should have the right to choose where their money is invested

  • EthanDade - 2012-11-01 08:32

    for crying out loud it is a charity!!!! who should give a damn about the colour of the skin

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-11-01 08:34

    So in effect the govt is dictating which causes an organisation can support and ensuring that human beings in dire need do not get assistance just because they are not black. Imagine if WHO, UNESCO, Red Cross etc adopted such a stance. IMHO this is a gross human rights violation and needs to get off to ConCourt ASAP.

      robbie.crouch - 2012-11-01 08:41

      Absoulutely! This should be brought to the UN's attention as well.

  • john.dough.5836711 - 2012-11-01 08:37

    Screw you cANCer, charity starts at home and if it never did it will from now on.

  • mrova.blaza - 2012-11-01 08:39

    If a white man is married to a black lady and they have kids, does those kids qualify for BEE ?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-01 09:00

      Probably not.... unless they benefit from a charity. They will qualify for AA though

      tobydt - 2012-11-01 09:03

      Tokyo's kids are BEE accredited (He married a white lady).

      Sheilan.Clarke - 2012-11-01 09:32

      Yes. The kids will be Coloured. Coloured folks benefit (or supossed to benefit) from BEE.

  • rlong1952 - 2012-11-01 08:39

    Ok, this has got to be the sickest thing I have read in a long time, shame on you ANC, you are ruining our beautiful country with its beautiful people. You nauseate me.

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-01 08:39

    If you will pardon the pun, this is BLACKMAIL! The cANCer is a farce.

  • tony.king.148553 - 2012-11-01 08:40

    Why can't we just all love and care for each other whoever we may be instead of all these rules and regulations ? If the government encouraged business without all these terms and conditions like for farmers with BEE and Land Claims, for example, it would create more of every thing for everyone. It's the rules that is stifling growth !

  • arthur.halse - 2012-11-01 08:40

    And the children are the ones who suffer. Well done anc.

  • Francois Steyn - 2012-11-01 08:41

    As long as skin color is relevant in our day to day practices we will not rid ourselves of racism.

  • john.allers.98 - 2012-11-01 08:41

    Racist bastards!

  • Brandon Ashley Bosman - 2012-11-01 08:41

    why why why this BEE thing is geting out of hand

  • avanwyk2 - 2012-11-01 08:41

    This is funny. Lol! What will happen if u give money to animal welfare? Must the animals also be black?

  • ianthe.exall - 2012-11-01 08:42

    What if they decide to donate to the SPCA- how will that work? Black dogs and cats only! What a load of government hogwash.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-01 09:04

      Lol so true!!!! Or what happens if they want to donate to Hospice? The poor cancer patients aren't black enough? Skin colour or BEE status shouldn't matter one bit, it is at everybody's discretion who they donate to.

  • damien.bako - 2012-11-01 08:42

    Screw BEE let them take the points and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. If you give good service in your business you will do well. Ironically many companies in Africa does not want to do business with our BEE companies as they say the service is below par. I have a few friends that tried doing the BEE thing and they ALL got their fingers burnt.

  • ester.venter.3 - 2012-11-01 08:42

    the new definition of apartheid: BEE... Two things: if you're BEE status is that important to you, then please don't even bother to make a donation; and since when does goverment think they can prescribe me who I should bless if I have the means...!?

      Katleho Mdlalose - 2012-11-01 08:58

      no one is telling u who u should 'bless' with ur wealth

      Katleho Mdlalose - 2012-11-01 08:58

      no one is telling u who u should 'bless' with ur wealth

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-11-01 08:42

    They go too far now.

  • Melecia Boonzaaier - 2012-11-01 08:43

    Ok so let the SPCA know the donations are for black dogs and cats only. AA an BEE should have been abolished a long time ago. You only get strong by earning what you have not by getting hand outs!!!

  • andriette.bergakker - 2012-11-01 08:44

    Seriously? People and children of all colours find themselves in disadvantaged positions and should not be selectively given charity or help based on skin colour.

  • irma.white.9 - 2012-11-01 08:45

    What rubbish! Like White, Coloured or Indian people don't need help too! Like poverty only affects black people? What the f man. Who the hell makes these rules- ANYONE should be praised for helping a charity, not punished!

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-11-01 08:46

    Who the hell give you the right to tell businesses which charities they can and cant give too. It's there money and they can give it to who ever they want wether it be a white, coloured, indian, mozambican, zimbabwean and ect ect. The blacks here get given enough charity and it gets wasted or put into the back pockets of the charity managment never to be seen again. This BBBEEEE or what ever the hell its called to day is ridiculous and racist. You cannot threaten these companies just to make you pathetic BBEEE. Down with BBEEE, BBEEBBEE, BEE or whatever the hell you call yourselves.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-11-01 08:48

    Holy Cow. How long do they still want to ride this black thing. The whites are carrying this economy. Is it not easier to simply say all whites must get out but no that would not be good coz then there are no businesses to hijack. I am so sick of this racism. IF the Government did not steal all the money there would have been more than enough for upliftment.

      Katleho Mdlalose - 2012-11-01 08:55

      i dnt think white ppl carry this economy.

      Gogs Lombard - 2012-11-01 09:04

      Latest census figures support your point. Remove the whites' income from the fiscus and see how the ANC will still blame Apartheid for their inability to run the country

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-11-01 08:49

    And the racial discrimination intensifies.. Its time white people help and support each other more, those of us in need will get no assistance from this racist government.

  • johan.steyn.127 - 2012-11-01 08:50

    As long as there are idiods with less IQ than a pig running our country this will get worse and worse we as tax payers must decide what happens with our country stand up let's get our country to what it should be without corrupt leaders.

  • sharmay.thuynsma - 2012-11-01 08:51

    Apartheid never really left, just reversed. Sad.

  • FourieGP - 2012-11-01 08:53

    reverse apartheid!!!!!!

  • ian.harrison.52035 - 2012-11-01 08:54

    Only Black dogs at the SPCA? What if it has one white spot? Utterly preposterous.

  • pieter.pan.184 - 2012-11-01 08:55

    I understand why BEE is needed at this juncture in our history. What I do feel is that it isn't being implemented in a reasonable way and this amendment is just further proof that BEE is being taken too far. When I donate money to charity I don't ask what race is the recipient. If the cause sounds worthy, then I give. I think this change is a huge mistake. People should be allowed to donate to whatever charity they deem fit. There are also many charities that provide their services to people from any race group. Should charities now turn people away because they aren't black so they can keep getting funding?

  • ceba.mlandu - 2012-11-01 08:56

    So let me get this straight. A hungry darkie kid is more important than a hungry mlungu kid? Or coloured, Indian etc. I thought the main issue here is hungry bambino's than the pigmentation of their skin. Stupid government.

  • lovenergy - 2012-11-01 08:56

    Next thing we will have blacks only shops, seats and areas just like Apartheid! Since when can the Government dictate who you give donations to? Is a hungry black child more deserving than a hungry indian, white or colored child? This Government is getting desperate because they have been stealing for the last 18 years instead of Governing. What a freakin joke

  • customdesign - 2012-11-01 08:59

    So it is open for public comment- how do we go about it? Is there a forum set up for this?

  • justin.pretorius - 2012-11-01 08:59

    Charities should be exempt from any discriminatory laws

  • claire.salmon.5036 - 2012-11-01 09:00

    What twaddle Brdget Brun - Indian Coloured Chinese born pre 1994 qualify for BEE points. Foreigners will never qualify for points no matter when they were born. I work with organisations who serve disabled people of all colours. I find this proposal absurb. BEE points should serve vulnerable people born pre 1994 and I do agree with Joan Van Niekerk.

  • sparks.sanders - 2012-11-01 09:01

    "We don't know the race of the child who phones us. It's inappropriate to ask, 'Are you black, and how black are you?' This is a different kind of apartheid." Sums it up perfectly

  • evidence.dumba - 2012-11-01 09:01

    BEE has proved to be the great grandmother of corruption. It only helps the big guys who are connected.

  • jonvanzetten - 2012-11-01 09:05

    Donate to the Metro Police - BBBEE - Big Black Bottomed Economic Empowerment.

  • denton.estment - 2012-11-01 09:13

    For once I agree with Joan Van Niekerk. Do these people not know that white people also have disadvantaged persons. Maybee the government should follow China as they buy everything there and limit one child. This would greatly reduce the numbers of poverty stricken people.

  • Leonore Engelbrecht - 2012-11-01 09:43

    so if i donate to a sick children's charity, will only the black kid get medicine???

  • samantha.podmore - 2012-11-01 09:53

    Wow I read this this morning with absolute horror and shame.. I am a grant writer for a hospice and we treat all women, men, and children of all races, religions and nationalities...and fundraising is already extremely under pressure from an economic down turn..and now we must compete against what skin colour for the people we will care for and treat.. This is a very sad day for each and every South African, when B-BBEE status is put ahead of humanity and caring for the sick and needy

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