Fin24

Dole system on the cards for SA

2012-12-20 10:41

Bloemfontein - The ANC is set to approve a comprehensive package of grants for unemployed youth that is estimated to cost R30bn a year.

If approved, they will take to 18 million the number of South Africans who receive state support.

The grants are the opposite of a wage subsidy as the money is paid directly to jobless young people rather than to their employers.

Research by various agencies has found that if you don’t find a first job while young, you are likely to be terminally unemployable.

The first grant proposal is for a R450 per month benefit linked to incentive programmes.

An explainer from the social transformation commission, which sat on Wednesday, reads: “The central policy objective is to protect unemployed youth by preventing them from falling into destitution while promoting education and skills development, and developing labour activation programmes.”

The commission proposes the dole for youth be phased in over seven to 14 years, depending on economic growth.

It is expected to cost 3.5% of gross domestic product and will possibly double the state’s spending on social grants. The commission says this can be sped up, but doing this will have tax implications.

The social assistance packages are estimated to cost R22bn a year; the incentive to learn a skill or attend a programme could cost R2bn a year; and administration costs are likely to be R6bn a year.

Currently, the child support grant costs R35bn a year and youth support will almost double this.

ANC technocrats who drew up the proposals say the economy needs to grow at 3.5% a year to support this. Growth is currently much lower.

The document continues: “The programme will be tax funded, thereby distributing income from wealthier labour participants to those who are not able to access the labour market, thereby reducing inequality.”

The party moots funding from the fiscus.

It says government can implement more quickly if it dumps the reserves of the Unemployment Insurance Fund into a jobs fund to pay for the unemployed youth grants package and to alter the tax rebate systems.

“The economy is growing too slowly to absorb young people, and they are generally not the first to be considered by employers.

"Young people, especially those without matric, have been particularly affected by the downturn in the economy, so the queue of unemployed has (lengthened).”

In addition to the support package for jobless youth, the social transformation commission also debated how to embroider a better human rights culture into the state, especially with regards to sexual orientation rights.

Attacks on gay people have become chronic, with several murders that rocked the nation this year.

Nonracialism also came under scrutiny at the commission, with several delegates noting the ANC has lost its diverse character.

The party is now largely black African; there were only a few delegates who were white, coloured or Indian.

There was also discussion on how employment equity and black economic empowerment policies entrench racial classification.
 
– Mangaung24 reporter
 

Comments
  • werner.nel.712 - 2012-12-20 10:55

    How about you take the money and provide education to the people.....

      janice.mcmaster.92 - 2012-12-20 11:09

      Just imagine how they will try to NOT find work then!!!!!!!!!!

      sunith.varkey - 2012-12-20 11:10

      Does this mean 30 billion less for Zuma to steal? Or 30 billion in additional taxes that needs to be collected from the working?

      john.loveland.9 - 2012-12-20 11:11

      How much more do they think they can milk the "Golden Cow"? When they have taken all from the "haves" to give to the "don't haves" then who are they going to screw over? Certainly not there well lined pockets.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-20 11:22

      Welcome to England.Benefits are the best thing they have over here and SA is going on the Dole to.Next thing you know foreigners taking what few jobs there are in the country and the opposition parties campaigning saying "South African jobs for South Africans" to try and win a general election.The ones benefiting to most will be those living in the 113 shanty towns across the country.The world is indeed very similar wherever you go.

      honey.deelishus - 2012-12-20 11:25

      SA is already the WORLDS BIGGEST WELFARE STATE - now they want to increase this??? This doesn't encourage job seeking the same as most female teens say getting pregnant to get their child support grant is a priority! Yes, the final bells are tolling. RIP South Africa, amongst the burned and smouldering ashes of the rest of Africa.

      frederick.kaczynski - 2012-12-20 11:26

      "The programme will be tax funded, thereby distributing income from wealthier labour participants to those who are not able to access the labour market, thereby reducing inequality.” This is the logical deduction of a 5 year old. Oh hang on...

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-12-20 11:42

      ANC is buying votes. The country urgently needs programs to encourage companies to hire, train and develop young people, not to turn them into state funded beggars. It is typical of a weak and incompetent leadership who wants to stay in power at all cost so that can milk the country dry. The only way to fund this is through higher taxes and more government debts.

      TshilidziPhuravhathu - 2012-12-20 11:46

      @werner.nel.712 you should know the answer to that man, our president is alegic to education.

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-12-20 11:47

      Like this has ever worked anywhere in the world? Look at Britain!!! 5 Generations of people who have never worked a day in their lives. Spend this money on education, for goodness sake. On encouraging entrepreneurs. Sheesh man... what incentive will these kids have?

      Willie - 2012-12-20 12:12

      This is not sustainable, finish and klaar

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-12-20 12:17

      I guess this goat herder with no formal education called Zuma is the best clown around that South Africans that went to Mauguang could elect as their President right?Any other money wasting ideas coming from spanspek kop Zuma and his swine cadres before formerly advanced society that was South Africa gets completely flush down the drain?

      jesibelle.krueger - 2012-12-20 12:31

      They should call it N.A.F.I., NO AMBITION F***ALL INTEREST. This kind of inanity has essentially bankrupted Britain and turned England (London in particular - that is ~ 80% of economic England) into a third-world dump - imagine what it will do to a country that is already a third-world dump... "...the proposals say the economy needs to grow at 3.5% a year..." Kindly consider the following: 1. COSATU will make sure the economy does not grow by more than 1%/annum - if at all. 2. The abovementioned growth rate and as such the current economic growth rate presented by the South African government is a LIE..! It is based on the lie about SA's de facto inflation rate presented by STATS-SA (a key machine in the Communist ANC's program of lies and deceit - note 'lies-and-deceit' is central to the functioning of any Communist regime, this is not speculation, it is fact). The 'real growth rate' is calculated by the actual rate (that is relatively easily deducted from the GDP) and by deducting the inflation rate as published. An inflation rate of around 5% is deducted and a false picture of "economic growth" is presented. The reality is that the de facto inflation rate ~ 15% - 20% - so in fact SA's economy is shrinking by a minimum of 10% per annum. Such a state of economic depression is clear through all the indicators - e.g. massive job losses, unrest, massive income depreciation, etc. It is time, to seriously contemplate the mechanisms to implement.., THE GREAT TAX REVOLT.

      elgh.elgh - 2012-12-20 12:36

      WE NEED TO GET THIS $#%^&* GOVERMENT OUT OF POWER, PERIOD

      jesibelle.krueger - 2012-12-20 12:43

      “...The programme will be tax funded, thereby distributing income from wealthier labour participants to those who are not able to access the labour market, thereby reducing inequality...” They cannot fathom that 'inequality' has NOTHING to do with material possessions. A child reasons that equality is measured by the measure its infantile mind can grasp - ie what it sees on the surface. If you take all the money- and possessions in the world and you divide it equally among all the people of the world, guaranteed within less than a year-, or two, the inequality will be right back to where it was before you dished out everything to everybody. AGAIN: inequality has NOTHING to do with material possessions. There is a legal term for taking one person's possessions and simply giving it to another - it is called: THEFT. Shall we remind ourselves that the ‘National Health Plan’ is also in the waiting, so is the ‘National e-Toll Plan’, all the while 88% of the National Budget is already being spent on salaries alone.., etc., etc… Prepare yourselves for.., ECONOMIC FAILURE IN OUR LIFETIME..! TO REITERATE: It is time, to seriously contemplate the mechanisms to implement.., THE GREAT TAX REVOLT.

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-12-20 13:07

      This is just another stupid move by stupid people to try and get more votes next election. Who cares about the damage to the country? Not the anc

      pieter.pan.184 - 2012-12-20 15:09

      @alicia.myburgh.65: Where is your proof that we are the laziest nation on earth. I beg to differ. Many of the so called lazy in this country work their asses off for nothing but peanuts. And in case you didn't read, the amount is R450. That's not even enough to buy a bread and milk everyday let alone support a drinking or drug habit.

      pieter.pan.184 - 2012-12-20 16:09

      I'm not the one who claimed that ours is the laziest country in the world. And this is for the 70% of youth who are unable to find employment. And those who cannot find employment includes many who actually finished university. I am also not the one who insinuated that R450 would be enough to support someones drinking habit while they lie on the couch and watch tv.

      lucy.bush.9231 - 2012-12-20 16:42

      Dear God, yes, its me again. Please send some brains down to SA, and distribute amongst the ANC. They just keep coming up with the most stupidest ideas ever, Amen

      ronnymakgaola.selota - 2012-12-20 17:19

      After education who is going give you money for cv printing, fax , transport to endless fruitless interview. A jerk of you knows nothing about porverty. Going to sleep without food, how can you take the handed out money and venture it in your job seeking attempts.

      heathway.master - 2012-12-20 19:45

      Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will have food forever. The majority appear to now resemble a predator that has become too lazy to even catch his own food. Rather let another predator bring the buck down, and then he can saunter over to the carcass, and eat until his belly is bloated and full. Gone is Darwin’s theory of the survival of the fittest, thereby improving the genetic pool. Well done ANC, lets develop a Nation of useless, unmotivated, lazy bums. The socialist system has eventually collapsed in every country it has been tried in, as the tax revenue required, eventually causes the economy of the country to self implode. For all the dreamers out there, unfortunately,there is no such thing as a free ride in the real world.

      aru.su.5 - 2012-12-20 20:01

      I am surprised -- all you people who chose to remain in SA are continuously whining about the violent crime problem, but when measures to help the youth are suggested, you don't want that either? This benefits society as a whole. Maybe if a youth had R450 to spend on food, he wouldn't kill you for R5 in your pocket. I don't buy the argument that this scheme will make people just live off the system, after all, who can live on R450 a month. But this money will at least help underprivileged unemployed youth with the money it takes to make copies of CVs, buy envelopes, stamps to mail them around, cost of taxi/bus fares/petrol to go to interviews, cost of buying newspapers/accessing internet to even look for jobs etc. Even looking for a job can be a very costly process for a poor person who has just come out of school. Do you as a society want to give that young person a chance to get gainful employment and become a productive member or society, or remain jobless with no hope in life and turn to a life of crime?

      raath - 2012-12-21 08:54

      If you get this benefit you should not be allowed to vote - it will be a conflict of interest.

      thadelphukem.completely - 2012-12-21 09:07

      Let the corruption begin!!! Viva cANCer, Viva...

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-12-21 10:19

      I wonder which Zuma "runs" the fund ...

      carl.debeer.52 - 2012-12-21 10:28

      Jesibel...how does one follow your rantings? You are awsem!

      heathway.master - 2012-12-21 17:16

      Quite destructive how the ANC and COSATU are completely opposed to the youth subsidy scheme, where industry hire unemployed youth at below average salaries, but train them up and give them skills. Once they have skills, then they can use them to get better paying jobs. They consider the scheme as total exploitation and human rights abuse. Rather let the unemployed never develop skills of any sort, but rather sit on their fat, lazy, arses, and collect Dole each month.

      lucy.bush.9231 - 2012-12-26 16:42

      How can I immigrate to the USA, this place is FCUT...!!!

  • compos.mentis.58 - 2012-12-20 10:55

    yeah and the sheeple are happy and the votes are secure.

      willgram.jacobs - 2012-12-20 11:38

      WOW this is so true perfect timing by the ANC just after the re-election of Zuma as their president, they seduce voters to keep voting for them with such promises as more grants damn criminals i tell you!!!!!

      larry.lachman.54 - 2012-12-20 12:37

      Buying ANC votes with DA money.

  • graham.katz - 2012-12-20 10:57

    And exactly where will R30bn come from?

      compos.mentis.58 - 2012-12-20 11:15

      Graham I do not want to state the obvious answer to that question... he he he.

      Eterni80 - 2012-12-20 11:25

      same place the e-toll money will come from FAIRY LAND

      jacques.d.devilliers - 2012-12-20 13:42

      DA supporters of course :)

  • Peché - 2012-12-20 11:01

    why not give these grants to the working class? discount on fuel or toll fees etc.

      stephen.redford.16 - 2012-12-20 15:50

      Out of interest, fuel in the US costs R6.74 per litre. I know, I am driving a car there on holiday.

      jordaanjean - 2012-12-21 12:55

      @stephen.redford.16 it is actuall $3.39 - ish. You are in for a shock.

  • julius.hond - 2012-12-20 11:01

    more empty promises, the youth will revolt if they fail to deliver. 6mil taxpayers, 18 mil leeches. This is not sustainable......

  • ian.wilkinson.9235 - 2012-12-20 11:04

    the dole system encourages laziness and lack of ambition...it has wrecked the UK's economy and will do the same wherever you install it...good night

  • KCorsar - 2012-12-20 11:10

    Dole for jobless youth = votes in 2014. Its that simple, there is no other agenda or purpose attached to this. ANC is thinking no further than remaining in power, this is the quickest way to 'convince' the unemployed, disgruntled youth, that the ANC government cares! Education, learnership programmes, intern programmes - incentives to Corporate South Africa to create these roles and benefit with a small tax rebate. This would ultimately cost less and boost employment base and small scale entrepreneurship

      rofras.rassie - 2012-12-20 11:27

      I am an educated ANC Member and i think this is rubish. i 100% agree with you. The ANC is buying votes. Damn.

      SarelJBotha - 2012-12-20 11:59

      Clearly the ANC is starting to pay for votes that they need to stay in power and the young of today is the voting-fodder of tomorrow. They simply fail to realize that schemes like this will lead to the country getting to where Greece is now.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-12-20 15:16

      @rofras.rassie - well I hope you are strongly reconsidering your membership, does it not shame you to be a part of this?

  • eugene.muller.7 - 2012-12-20 11:13

    another way of buying votes with tax money...stupid senseless idea. put a dummy in the mouth of the screaming masses won't take the hunger away...

      janice.mcmaster.92 - 2012-12-20 11:20

      SPOT on eugene!!!

  • celtis.africana - 2012-12-20 11:15

    If you cannot manage a municipality where you took over the working systems and processes then how the hell will you be able to implement a complex system like this? Even in the UK where the system is running for many years benefit fraud is widespread.

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-12-20 11:15

    A new "DROL" system...

  • aspruyt - 2012-12-20 11:19

    Fail. This has not worked anywhere else. I have seen the abuse of these systems with my own eyes in multiple other 1t world countries. Now you think it will work in a 3rd world country where you cant even expect basic services to run smoothly? These people do not want to work for anything gained.

      jacques.d.devilliers - 2012-12-20 13:44

      The ANC is famous for implementing systems that has not worked anywhere else in the world. It is their trademark... They have this need to prove to everyone that they can succeed where others have failed...

      aspruyt - 2012-12-20 14:53

      and then fail even more miserably!

  • bongani.khumalo.967422 - 2012-12-20 11:20

    the black population have no value for education. they have a culture of entitlemnet and a lack of will to work or learn. this proposal will reduce inequality by making everyone poorer. you cannot redistribute wealth. redistributing poverty is reasonably easy

      mandla.thwala.10 - 2012-12-20 11:30

      U Are DA supporter m sure oppose everything.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-20 11:37

      @MANDLA, please stop and think for a change. How can we continue to GIVE money to people without them contributing? Where is this 30 BILLION coming from? We are paying youths to do NOTHING.. For the love of all that is holy, stop and think for YOURSELVES for a change!!

      SarelJBotha - 2012-12-20 12:01

      Mandla, he is a actual thinking man and whichever party he supports has no bearing on the issue at hand. You however are clearly a ANC supporter where actual though and debate is seen as not needed and even evil.

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-20 15:31

      No, to say the black population have no value for education is plain racist and stupid. That is what most people need to castigate before going on about Mandla's comment. This is what happens when DA supporters oppose everything, when opposition is justified, it gets lost in translation. I am a DA supporter and am saying that.

      aspruyt - 2012-12-20 16:27

      Rupeshhari: You are being naïve.

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-12-20 11:22

    I dnt believe this. In our country

  • shelagh.smith.77 - 2012-12-20 11:22

    I suppose us poor taxpayers will be slammed again for this. When will it end??

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-20 11:23

    yet another way for the ANC to by votes.

  • emm.emm.58 - 2012-12-20 11:24

    Great another amount of money set aside to steel and the tax payer must foot the bill

  • charles.kubhayi.3 - 2012-12-20 11:26

    Private companies should be made to pay the bill because they do not want to open job opportunities for the youth but they always make profit for bonuses and to buy unnecessary machines for production instead of employing the youth.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-20 11:30

      ANC Education. So the youth can now sit around and become lazy and unproductive because the government will now pay them to do nothing... Eish.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-12-20 11:52

      Charles, there are no words for your comment. pfft.

      ilse.crowther - 2012-12-20 11:55

      Charles please tell me that you actually DO have more intelligence than this? Seriously brother !!!???

      kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-12-20 12:32

      Charles - you cant be serious...?

      riette.nothling - 2012-12-20 12:52

      Charles, the companies don't want to employ because firstly no-one wants to start at the bottom and deserve a promotion (BEE), secondly, once they are employed they prove they can't do the job (again, BEE), and then you can't get rid of the dead wood because of labour law constraints. Why should the youth be paid to sit at home and do nothing? You want something, you work for it. NO matter who pays the dole, it's not a sustainable solution, just a gimmick to gain votes.

      tessarochelle - 2012-12-20 13:00

      So Charles, if they do not buy machines, how must they produce? You are funny, you should be on stage. People will laugh at you because you make absolutely no sense at all. You must be a youth yourself

      willgram.jacobs - 2012-12-20 13:35

      charles you are such an idiot its people like you who will buy in to this rubbish and keep the cANCer in power.

  • shirley.berko - 2012-12-20 11:28

    Why not take the R30bill and use it to bolster small businesses and incentivise companies to hire youth by subsidizing a portion of the salaries? If you are going to throw tax money away, make it work for the economy and benefit everyone. What a waste. This is so frustrating.

  • ilse.crowther - 2012-12-20 11:29

    And so the parasite syndrome continues ....

  • mokgadik - 2012-12-20 11:29

    Just when I thought it can't get worse. The ANC is surely determined to give me unhappy festive seasons #claps once and sits down in disbelieve#

  • michelle.marshall.3158652 - 2012-12-20 11:30

    DID WE EXPECT ANYTHING LESS - USELESS LAZY CORRUPT GOVERNMENT - INSTEAD ON ENCOURAGING UNEMPLOYMENT WHY NOT USE THE MONEY TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE JOBS - IDIOTS! NATION OF DESTROYERS!

  • john.dough.5836711 - 2012-12-20 11:31

    A nice way to buy the vote.

  • mmapotu.celebration - 2012-12-20 11:33

    the policy is applicable to the unemployed graduates,,,,,

  • riad.mahomed - 2012-12-20 11:34

    I think that the fundamental reason and rational behind this so called “Dole System” is just another ploy to ensure that they can legally buy votes for their party come 2014, just like what they are doing via the child support grant and keeping these loyalist to continually vote for them. This is to some extent encouraging young unemployed women or in some cases girls to become entrepreneur by becoming a baby making machine and on top of that they now can cash in on the “Dole System” as well .…….makes one think, doesn’t it.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-12-20 11:35

    The ANC have no answer to unemployment and crime. That's why they spend millions on bunkers for ministers and this "dole" system for youths.. This is not an answer, this is just sweeping it under the carpet. This does NOT address the issues!!! This does not skill up youths, this does not create opportunities for them. What this does is encourage youths to become lazy and unproductive - look at the UK who are in the process of scrapping the dole system due to the sheer ineffectiveness and negative repercussions of such a system!! Again, the ANC are 40 years behind the rest of the world and still trying to implement failed systems because they have no answer to any of our burning issues..

      Justin - 2012-12-20 12:08

      ANC - Aint No Clue. Amandla awhere to?

      wwrer.ww - 2012-12-20 13:19

      South Africa = future Cuba

      mahuno.kamatuka - 2012-12-20 15:09

      Look at the brighter side as well, reduction in crime, reduction in women abuse by being able to support themselves, less poverty and eventual increase in economic activities(poeple will be buying increasing production).

      wwrer.ww - 2012-12-20 17:38

      mahuno.kamatuka - you want to tell me the crime rate and women abused would be even higher if we didn't implement this welfare? The crime is up 10x higher than 20 years ago. So you mean to say it is naturally actually 20x higher - the desire. I agree with you. Not with the solution however, but with your assessment of the problem. The solution is to create jobs DIRECTLY, direct investment, that means lower government taxes, more loans for entrepreneurs, more focused development, a fight against corruption, nepotism. An improvement in quality management, security, information, education. More focused plans. Something almost like the plans Mr. Manuel and his department is drawing up. No spillage - that means cutting back on partying and free gifts, contracts, food for political friends etc. Everything based upon merit, the inclusion of all South Africans, the best citizens getting the jobs. Focus. Not government trying to control and do everything, but FOCUS on doing a number of important tasks at a world class level of performance and letting domestic and foreign investors, business people create quality jobs and businesses. Creating a country that has a sustainable range of high quality products destined for exports to the world market. That brings in real wealth and real long term security.

  • philemonmaepa.phatlane - 2012-12-20 11:35

    shame.where r we going as blacks?this is useless idea and waste of our tax money

      wo0two0t - 2012-12-20 14:32

      I’m not black but I can see where you coming from - I’d be embarrassed as well if I where you.

  • martin.brasg - 2012-12-20 11:36

    Why does this country not adopt a Kibbutz system like Israel? This will provide employment and teach the uneducated life-skills and provide much needed food. All we are good at in this country is standing with our hands out to beg

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-12-20 11:37

    South Africa is a welfare state. Travour Manuel once said the social grant system is not sustainable . South Africa cannot keep on feeding her people through social grants instead of creating jobs.The ruling party is using social grants to make sure they win elections.This system is foreign to us (africans) A man cannot wait for the state to build him a house,a toilet and feed his children(food parcels)

      sean.odonnell.1466126 - 2012-12-20 13:57

      Very well said, Zolisa... go forth and multiply your thinking!!!

  • Edison Nyamayaro - 2012-12-20 11:37

    gravy train riding on ,

  • tatana.mhlongo - 2012-12-20 11:39

    And exactly where will this money come from? Don't tell us that tax-payers 've to foot such! I would suggest its get subtracted from your president's salary...

      morris.khumalo.9 - 2012-12-20 12:18

      The ANC is loosing a direction why can't they take the 30billion and pay that e tolling to upgrade the road In gauteg. On the other side that money can be used to create job opportunities , even if they are trying to bribe the poor we are not going to vote them

  • corncob - 2012-12-20 11:41

    Grants for child support ,more children. The dole more jobless . Welcome to the benign rock candy mountains .

  • didi.s.didi - 2012-12-20 11:41

    ANOTHER REASON NOT TO VOTE FOR DA

      serati.suping - 2012-12-20 12:15

      n wats ur point exactly, wat does DA have to do with this issue!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-12-20 12:23

      Lol!! Didid goes full retard!!

  • rob.vanjou - 2012-12-20 11:43

    Take away incentive to find a job and guaranteed future votes for the ANC. This is a terrible idea. Money should be invested in education and skills training rather, but we know this is not what the ANC wants. What will they do when the cash cow runs dry. The current path is unsustainable.

  • thethird.wors - 2012-12-20 11:43

    who must pay for this ****. ME? **** YOU.

  • TshilidziPhuravhathu - 2012-12-20 11:44

    This is great man, I mean shebins will have more regular paying customers and higher profit margins...

  • angela.nair.3 - 2012-12-20 11:45

    More welfare? Pay the etolls for goodness sake and create more jobs! Why must we support people who can work? And watch the corruption start. They have found thousands of fraud grant receivers - and it stems from inside the welfare department! My kids and I pay thousands of rand in taxes - and so do a million other people -are we supposed to support millions of lazy bastards! I am hopping mad now! I will take a drive past our local goverment office and watch the people line up for free money! I dont deny there are poor people - but what circumstances made them poor? I will tell you! Children with no fathers - haul them to pay maintenance, Girls getting pregnant in schools, give them birth control! People dieing of Aids - telling them for 30 years and they still sleep around without condoms. Get to the heart of the problems that are creating more poor people. Call me cruel call me heartless - but I do my share to help people less fortunate than myself. In fact I do more than my share - how much more must I do?

      pdvermaak - 2012-12-21 04:42

      Stop all your help, if you give them a hand they will grab the arm!!!

  • marc.hugo.75 - 2012-12-20 11:47

    As usual with communism, taking from the productive part of society and giving it away to the unproductive in return for votes. And since those votes are all paid for by the productive part of society, that wouldn't make them ANC supporters....

  • francoisvdmerwe - 2012-12-20 11:47

    They are just gonna go and get the R450 and buy beer...Good news for SAB.This country is going under.I wouldn't mind if it was focused on education and skills development programs. This is just ridiculous.

  • walters.delia - 2012-12-20 11:48

    Ah great, so my tax money now will look after a bunch of lazy school drop outs who have no intention of working and are more interested in reproducing at an alarming rate than finding a job. The ANC are delusional, how are they going to sustain this? They are looking to model it on the British system most likely, the difference is SA is a 3rd world country ripped off by its corrupt money grabbing government while the UK is a 1st world country run by a competent government. Why not increase the elderly's pension instead? The youth need to learn to stay in school and and get an education, not drop out of school and get a grant!

      Nicole Soccer-Babe Take - 2012-12-20 11:52

      i thought they said 7-14years

      walters.delia - 2012-12-20 12:57

      Yes Nicole, and I will still be working then, hence my money will be going towards this as will all of ours, and yes the ANC will still be in power(heaven help us!)

      rob.vanjou - 2012-12-20 15:21

      The British system does not work either. They sit now with the problem of 3rd, 4th and 5th generations of a family claiming benefits. Why work for something when you can get it for free. As they say in mother russia "it is problem"!

  • craig.thom.376 - 2012-12-20 11:50

    once the well dries up,what then?

  • goyougoodthing - 2012-12-20 11:51

    I'm actually over this. Fk the lot of them. Why should I declare my income and work 80hrs a week so that some turd can take my money and buy beer.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-12-20 11:55

    This is one of the most idiotic plans I have ever heard off. There is no way that this can be properly policed and corruption will be rife. At least if the money was paid to an employer, some measure of proper work would have been assured to take place.

  • charles.chivalry - 2012-12-20 11:55

    Fast going into nowhere.....

  • asdhasgd - 2012-12-20 11:56

    Isn't this technically bribing the youth?

      marc.hugo.75 - 2012-12-20 12:53

      Well spotted Opinionator.

  • Dipstix Dup - 2012-12-20 11:58

    Can somebody tell me within wich age group does a youth fall. For example, will a 16 year old who drops out of school before grade 12 qualify, and does a jobless 26 year old with a Matric certificate qualify? Just asking. We are becoming a welfare state, and it will bankrupt SA within 5 years.

  • Nicole Soccer-Babe Take - 2012-12-20 11:58

    born in poor family/single unemploted mom in late 80s,had to pass my matric 18years later even though i had no own shelter over my head,atleast 2days of the weak no meal at all,if there is it would be phutu with no curry. now that im slowly making it to the better life in the expense of family sacrifices. some lucky people get everything FREE. why? im also black n previously disadvantaged, why not invest in education rather???? #shame

  • LishaMgq - 2012-12-20 11:58

    I am an unemployed LLB Graduate and have been so for the past 4yrs but i don understand this. Excuse me isn it wiser to put that money into good use like job creation instead of encouragin unemployment. So basically those who are workin are being punished for workin and forced to take care of the jobless. R450pm don these ppl know that some of us do actually want to work and we have study loans to repay what can you do with that amount. Come on now were not idiots and i take offense at being treated at such. Now they want the youth votes and will do anything to get them even collapse the already ailin economic system. Seriously if this is what theyve spent all those million for in mangaung they truly deserve to shot the whole lot of them. This doesn curb unemployment it encourages it. See how well the child support grant has worked ppl collectin grants for kids who don even live with them some dead some misuse it and ofcourse we also have a president thats a charity case i mean what the hell

      mbuso.siera - 2012-12-20 18:52

      LLB graduate nd unemployed........while this country's law firms have empolyed lots of foreign nationals the past few years.....

      joyce.roper.35 - 2012-12-21 07:12

      Child Grant ...... need grant but don't want to fall pregnant ..easy kidnap baby .... then when grant received.. drop baby down toilet ..

      LishaMgq - 2012-12-21 15:36

      @ mbuso with llb degree 4 and a half overseas experience in insurance and in those past few years ive been applyin to jobs registering to recruitment agencies and youth development programs to no avail @ joyce lol now theres an idea problem is im very independent and like doing things on my own

  • alican.francem - 2012-12-20 11:59

    They fall pregnant to get grants, dropout of school and become unemployable still the stupid African nation criminals give them money. Why not investing it on skills development

  • cmeiring - 2012-12-20 12:02

    Creating a socialist state rather than promoting entrepreneurship will cause GDP growth to decline further. This will in turn raise the deficit year on year as tax income lowers and unemployment grows. And how in hell's name is R450/month going to bring about equality?

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-12-20 13:58

      What they are saying is that to be equal every person in SA should only be earning R450/month ;)

  • blocks.matome - 2012-12-20 12:10

    This ruling party is taking us nowher.