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De Klerk lambastes ANC policies

2012-11-01 12:10

Johannesburg - South Africa's last apartheid president FW de Klerk has blamed the ANC for the country's spiralling social and economic woes.

In a speech to business leaders late on Wednesday, the 76-year-old De Klerk lambasted the wealth redistribution policies of the ANC.

He said they would cause "social engineering in which people's prospects would once again be determined by race, rather than by individual merit and circumstances".

De Klerk hit out at what he called the Marxism-Leninism of some members of the ANC alliance, which he blamed for widespread unemployment and the failure to attract investment.

South Africa is experiencing one of its worst crises since apartheid, as a wave of violent strikes led by miners demanding huge wage increases has highlighted the country's huge social discrepancies.

De Klerk, co-winner of the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize with Nelson Mandela, acknowledged that some of the country's woes were inherited from the apartheid but argued that the party of President Jacob Zuma was failing to deal with them.

"The reality is that it has had to contend with enormous socioeconomic backlogs inherited from the past," he said.

"By the same token, it was also unfair to blame all the problems of the present on the past," he said, adding that "the ANC was primarily responsible for the current crisis".

Comments
  • Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-11-01 12:15

    The ANC are leading the country. They must fix the problems. After all, that's why they were elected into power in the first place.

      claudia.meads - 2012-11-01 12:34

      Did Apartheid., - Cause SA's current trade deficit..? - Cause the current flight of investment capital from SA..? - Cause the out of control population growth..? - Cause the false CPIX current presented by STATS-SA (probably half of the de facto rate)..? - Make the current government so corrupt..? - Build Nkandla..? - Invent e-Toll..? - Destroy SAA, Telkom, the SABC, etc. - Have the worst economic growth rate in Africa..? - Destroy the infrastructure..? - Produce the current Illiterate Graduates..? - Eat up the text-books..? - Or caused Hurricane Sally..? Bla, bla, bla... I think de Klerk is particularly kind, to the buffoons who are as capable of running a country, as a two year old is of flying an Airbus A380...

      Shaun - 2012-11-01 12:34

      its not the anc fault,its the people who vote them in,we can all vote for a apple to be president but then we complain about the apple not doing a good job,just dont vote the apple into power then.its 101 economics,but seeing as we the lowest in maths and science how can we blame stupid people for being stupid.

      UncleShep - 2012-11-01 12:37

      you mad

      luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-11-01 12:37

      If only these ANC rulers had half of de Klerk's savvy, discipline and drive.

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-11-01 12:45

      Mr. de Klerk.....would it help to say again...."I told you so!"

      charlesbronson.bronson - 2012-11-01 12:47

      Because we have the most corrupted useless leader this country have ever seen!!!

      eric.tau.35 - 2012-11-01 12:53

      Can De Klerk die already? Verwoed is waiting for him in hell

      abner.malema - 2012-11-01 12:56

      De klerk is trying to win the trust of whites after being accused of selling them out to black S African during his tenure. By releasing political prisoners and negotiating with them

      janice.mcmaster.92 - 2012-11-01 13:14

      THE TRUTH HURTS - AND YES, IM SHOUTING IT!!!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:24

      im white. I just want to say that claudia meads who comments on this forum every day, and thinks she is gods gift to intellect exemplifies so much of what is wrong with white south africa. she has a massive superiority complex which is only overshadowed by her brutal racism, and an incredibly skewed viewpoint on s.africa, present and past. her disdain for blacks is palpable, and her pseudointellectual rubbish and condescending tone just makes her seem like a spoilt white safa who has had servants her whole life. go live in the first world countries which you credit so much, and live as a middle class person, not as a little spoilt brat swimming in daddys money. if you are a poor white, NO ONE CARES. you still are educated, try being a native xhosa speaking, uneducated person from the townships with no hope. this is what a huge part of our population deals with and while you wander why they are 'lazy blacks', the reality is you have no understanding of what their lives are like and where they come from. claudia if you really believe your family did not benefit and still does not benefit from cheap labour, as first world countries benefit from cheap chinese labour, then you are blind, most likely purposely so, to completely avoid any inherent guilt you may feel, you displace this guilt with resentment and disdain for a whole race of people, most of whom live in conditions that you could not handle for one day. the anc is horribly corrupted,but you, my dear are a racist

      jaco.bruwer.73 - 2012-11-01 13:24

      The big problem is the idea that was planted during apartheid that Whites got every thing for free. They thought Whites get Free electricity, free houses, no school fees and large salaries just because there white (they don't see that the person with a large salaries is qualified). I know a few blacks that earned huge salaries during the end of apartheid, because they are qualified. The problem know is that they also want every thing for free. During 1994 they were promised free housing for a vote. The people are getting tired for all the empty promises and starting to take things in their own hands. The ruling party have to make a drastic change in the next 4 years or the country will be doomed. The RED lights are flickering, its just a mater of time.

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-01 13:25

      @Claudi, very well said!

      Jeremy - 2012-11-01 13:29

      Hey Gianni - nice rant! I don't know Claudia from a bar of soap and I have no idea if she is what you seem to think she is - but there's no denying she's made a good list. I notice you don't question it - just attack her perceived racism.....

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:32

      @ gianni.blayse- It's nice to see that there are level headed whites people on this forum (didnt think they existed) but Claudia is just a sad case and giving her any type of attention makes it worse, clearly shes still angry about whatever happened to her in Zim and every day she seeks out an article for her to vent that out,she needs help more than the people who give her thumbs up realize but that's on her,what i dont undersatnd is that she has said herself that she is european why does she still bother what happens in Africa? i wish she could do something constructive to make europe a better place, i dont know maybe do something for Greece and leave Africans to worry about their own issues. She will never comment on any post other than one that can aloow her to express how much she hates Africa and black people,it's an obsession claudia find something constructive to do.If the article has some sort of race related element she's the first to comment LMAo it's like she sits all day just waiting for it,going through every artivle with a fine tooth comb just praying for that one article that will allow her to spew.

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-11-01 13:35

      @ Claudia Meads Apartheid is the cause, even your last president of Apartheid is attesting to that, we (ANC) inherited a time bomb which has 157680 hours remaining since 1994. We inherited a cancer. It was simple to develop SA before ANC took over because developmnet only looked at White Area. It was simple to feed the Nation by then because Minority will take 70% of the wealth and the remainder was for Majority leaving us in poverty. Is De Klerk from Nkandla, Mhlabawalingana, Venda, Giyani, Mthatha or Rural Area? So we need to develop those areas, priority being the president village. It was easy to distribute books before because Bantu Education books were cheap compared to minority books which were first class, so the cost were low. It was easy to run SAA, cause only few aircraft were needed as they were for minority only. SABC and Telkom were destoyed by healthy competition that we (ANC) brought, because we feel that they are not part of our future focus. Corruption was also there in apartheid, answer me this simple question: why whites are richer than blacks prior 1994. Did Blacks said at the time that they did not wanna get rich? Huh! Yes apartheid was a cancer that will take time to root out. Because today it still exist where the wealth of this country which we are still trying to distribute equally within SA is still controlled by minority. The space to write all the facts was taken by characters limitation.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:39

      hey jeremy, ive heard all of claudias rants and i think its my turn now. no one is denying the anc is not bringing about real change and the corruption sickens me. but her absolute denial of the wrongs of the past and her disdain and blame for the poor sickens me more unfortunately

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-11-01 13:39

      @ Claudia Meads This is our country and tell De Klerk to leave us run this country the way we feel its correct, as him and his Predecessor did during apartheid. We will get it right soon, he must just get old, observe, hopefully he will still be around when we get it run.

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-01 13:44

      @ Claudia - keep up the great comments, it has clearly upset people that cant take constructive crit and feel that it is race related for some reason. As Juju would say "It's raciest", there are some deranged followers. Don't let these "racists" let you become despondent, good list of objectives used here could also be sent to the President to change the current issues. Again good job!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:45

      the anc deserves all the criticism in the world. but the contempt for people of colour and the blame put on the poor for the corruption and the state of things in this country is unfounded and unfair. have some compassion for what you do not understand. they are uneducated and certainly will not vote for a white leader when they associate white mentality with people who are over-privileged, snobbish, arrogant, condescending fools who are convinced they are clever. there is a reason white safas have a reputation overseas of being bratty complainers. Even australians cant stand the safas that live there. every country is the world that is run as a capitalist democracy is inherently corrupt. at least in s.a the corruption is in our face and not submerged like in the states where no one really knows wwhat is going on. s.a needs a lot of work and there is much to feel defeated about, but blaming the poor and scoffing at the wrongs of the past helps no one. so get off your self entitled behind and smile at a poor person so when they really wake up to the state of things they wont take out all their frustration just on whites

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-11-01 13:46

      deklerk? two rands? aha! look who's talking...

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 13:46

      gianni.blayse- November 1, 2012 at 13:24 And you, white sir, are a fool! You are one of these head-in-the-cloud liberal bunny huggers that wants to wave your magic wand over your polished aura and let all the dark clouds disappear. Fact is, you are the biggest problem in SA due to your stupidity of trying to marry ideals with logic. Claudia Meads is logical and to the point and you have no other defense against the logic except to accuse her of the lame horse BS of racism. You cannot wish away her pertinent points and the only apt moniker for a sorry ass idiot like you, must be LOSER!!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:50

      warren - you obviously havent heard claudias comments about how dumb blacks are and how whites are gods gift to humanity. that nazi doctrine is a bit outdated. there is nothing biologically that seperates blacks and whites, its been proven again and again by science. eugenics is nazi rubbish. cultures differ - for example there is a big diffference between a community of shack dwellers and a community who lives say, in camps bay. that is the difference, not race

      aijaman.pirlo - 2012-11-01 13:50

      very good point

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-11-01 13:50

      @ Claudia Meads So De Klerk wants Apartheid Policy. We can inplement it now and start fighting with whites and tell them to go back to Britain like what Mugabe did? But no, we want to do it correctly because we beleive that South Africa is for South Africans, whether Black or White. We can Run this country simply if we minus 20 million (Whites, Foreignors (Zim, NIgerians,etc)). We wont have head-ache of balancing. Now we are trying to look and feed everyone with little that we have, whereas in apartheid it was simple minority dine in top restuarant while majority eat from their own sharks (hurt).

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 13:51

      lorain.maseko- November 1, 2012 at 13:32 And you are an entitled, angry black person seeing your utopia slip away in the pockets of your corrupt leaders and missed the gravy train to share in the spoils. The hard questions asked by Claudia cannot be watered down by you and your white, liberal bunny hugger friend also sitting with his head up his ass, just like you apparently are doing!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:56

      and you frank are another one who is convinced of thier own intelligence. its called being self-righteous and it is as dangerous as zumas or malemas own self righteousness. never do i question claudias criticism of the anc, just her resentment for the poor

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:56

      @ Frank- How in your opinion,do you think claudia's attack on black people as whole will help SOuth Africa move towards your ideals of what it should be? Or do you think that she will insult the general public into submission? The more you insult the more you will create an urge for black people to vote DA? All people like you and claudia can do is come on here and spew hatred if you feel that is some how going to push the country into the right direction carry on but seemingly people like yorselve can only sit and spread the hatred and do nothing constructive.

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 13:57

      gift.mushi.9- November 1, 2012 at 13:35 And nearly 20 years after the demise of apartheid, you are still harping back! What a useless goal to look back on! Enter Bosnia that was decimated by a civil war that killed the country and 12 years later was standing proud once again after rebuilding most of their country. In start contrast, the ANC inherited the most glorious infrastructure in the whole of Africa, a thriving economy and a working country eager to move forward and make SA the biggest success story in the world. Instead they managed, with your help, of course, to break down every working system and turn it into muck! So really, apartheid?????

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:57

      @ alicia.myburgh.65- How about tghis you and claudia can move to europe together and she can run for parliament there?

      johnwilliam.roberts - 2012-11-01 13:58

      they couldnt fix a broken tap the doeses !!!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 13:59

      and frank, your anger and insults is just representative of your immaturity and frustration with the fact that i make sense and it goes against all the Bull@$# ideology you have been telling to yourself your whole life to compensate for your lack of understanding of socioeconomics and the realities of s.a present and past

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 14:02

      and frank your insults and anger are just representative of the fact that i may make some sense and it goes against everything you have told yourself your whole life to compensate for your complete lack of understanding of the dynamics of s.a past and present. you and malema sit in the same boat of self-righteousness

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-01 14:12

      Several problems face SA at this time. First the unsustainability of the alliance of Democracy, Communism, and Unions. The goals of a democratic state and a communistic state are different and the means by which they accomplish those goals are polar opposites. So how do you have communist and free market people working together for common goals and with similar means to accomplish those goals. The unions see the dysfunction and they do what unions do, they get the most that they can for their workers. Those are their stated goals. The problems a legion with such a situation. With regards to the Unions look to Great Britain and the US in the 70's. The Unions became so powerful that while they got constant increases for their workers they also killed the businesses that employed their workers. Auto industry in GB and steel in the US. 2nd problem stems from the 1st. The three parts can't agree on the way to reach their 3 different goals. Communist would redistribute everything (which has failed in EVERY nation that has tried that) while a democratic state works to provide the OPPORTUNITY for individuals and businesses to produce products and services and if those products and services are popular they will make substantial money and that's fine with a democratic government. The marriage between communism and free market says; "go ahead and work hard and make as much as you can and then the government will take much of it." This never works. continued

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-01 14:17

      continued This never works because one of the basic driving forces in this world is still greed. I want to get for me and mine. Altruistic urges usually don't occur (in most people) until we have gotten a good percentage of what we think we want/need. So the threat of redistribution not only removes the incentive from South Africans working to start and grow businesses, but also DFI won't want to come to SA. So ANC needs to be clear on which path they want to travel. The one that is a marriage between communism and the free market is simply marching in place or in other words standing still.

      matli.mokoena - 2012-11-01 14:22

      where did claudia go? the truth always hurts, i know claudia, but we need to stop this back and forth and start to move forward. lets stop ignoring the elephant in the room and acknowledge that before this country can move forward, we need to understand each other and then work together to move forward.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 14:31

      im white and sometimes the truth hurts a bit...@claudia and others - read a book. whites, as in europe who colonized most of the world, got their wealth from pillaging the wealth of the rest of the world. i was sure you had a tertiary education? whites colonized the rest of the world becuase europe was a place of intense competion, many tribes in a small space.they did not get their wealth becuae they are genetically superior. idiot. it came from violence and assimilating cultures to christianity,enslaving nations and profiting from cheap or free labour. claudia for someone who thinks she is so intelligent, you are not very well read.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 14:36

      @ matli.mokoena- You wanna know where she went? well hopefully back to europe and she's doing something constructive for the european continent.

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-01 14:46

      @gift I alwas wait for your dumb racist comments so I can have a good laugh! Bottom line is the heads of the ANC don't care about you or anyone in this country they just want to get rich. And yes there was corruption during the old government BUT not nearly on the scale we see today AND everything that needed to happen for the country to excel happened!! And your comment on SAA get the stupid prize for today!

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-01 14:50

      @gianni; you can debate what happened 400 years ago in Africa or you can work to fix what is broken. Yes Europeans colonized and conquered much of Africa. But they also developed previously undeveloped resources. It's a mixed bag. But that bag is long gone. The question now is where does SA go from here. Important question considering the three pieces that make up the ANC (democrats, communists, and unions see my other post for the problems that this alliance causes. They may have been great allies in the "struggle" but they don't make good ruling partners). Then there needs to be a CLEAR (by this I mean clear to the world we exist in a world economy the days are gone when strong economies can be developed mainly within the country) strategy on how to get there. What place does education occupy (1st I would hope) where does FDI fit in and what about the trade deficit? What is the best way to create job growth? This needs to be sustainable which means bringing whole industries to SA. What about population growth. If SA's population continues to grow at it's current rate then the schools and the job growth won't be able to keep up. Then the country is ripe for revolution. See current strikes by miners, transportation workers, ect. ad to that the staggering unemployment of those under 30. See the violence that has occurred already and get ready for more with Julius stirring the pot. Revolution will destroy all hope for decades to come

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-01 14:59

      @gianni; its simplistic to blame apartheid for all the ills of SA. Yes it's true that it was a horrible and unfair system. And yes many of the problems that the country needs to deal with can be traced back to that government. However, it is also true that unemployment is rising and so is poverty. That things aren't getting substantially better for black South Africans after almost 20 years. You could blame it all on apartheid and Claudia could blame it all on the ANC and neither of you would be correct. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE WRONG DEBATE. Finding someone to blame isn't the same as finding the solution. One solution would be to have a true democracy with 2 viable parties for the people to choose from. This makes both parties accountable to the people. Instead of the ANC saying that the DA will return the country to apartheid they should welcome them. A second party helps to root out corruption and ineffective public servants. It also helps (doesn't do it completely) remind those same public servants that they are SERVANTS NOT RULERS and they can and will be replaced if they don't do their jobs. SA is a young country and it has the opportunity to learn a lot of cheap lessons from other nations, provided it starts to have the right dialogue and asks the right questions. Who is to blame isn't the right question after almost 20 years of self-determination.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 15:05

      edward - blaming helps no one, and that goes for blaming apartheid or blaming racial groups for our present problems. understandign the past however helps us understand the future, and a lot of the problems in s.a that frustrate us. we are where we are because of the past and we cannot ever escape that , but we can learn lessons and move forward - such as placing blame, or viewing the world via a racial paradigm helps no one. no country is perfect, some are just the rapists and some are the raped, but we can be better by being constructive and not pointing finger, by cooperating and trying to understand the differences we are forced to live with every day, instead of resenting them and placing blame

      darryn.lahner - 2012-11-01 15:24

      @gianni.blayse ....... Gianni. Claudia is not denying or scoffing the wrongs of apartheid. Yes.... she may have benefited and been entitled to more but what I see in her and my own growing frustration is the fact that these b#stards are destroying a country with so much hope and potential for all. They have taken the evils of apartheid and reversed it on the white, Asian, Coloured and Khoi people that voted to end apartheid. They have stolen and plundered almost everything we had and are demanding more and more to their insatiable greed. She (like so many others that understand) can see the indicators of a failed state that are so affecting the poor as well as the rich. Yes she may be entitled and white but I really don't think she is a racist. I think she is one of millions of south africans that is desperately frustrated by the incompetence of a raging autocracy in the making. She woke up as a young, hopeful, aspiring SOUTH AFRICAN and read the news and saw the poor beggars and the slums and violence. By the end of the day she went to bed as a very sad, despondent and hopelessly frustrated young WHITE, ENTITLED, ARROGANT COLONILIST that does not belong in South Africa. We all want whats best for EVERYONE in South Africa. The funny thing is that the first ones to suffer are the same people who have been given empty promises by the very people they voted for.

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 15:31

      darryn i appreciate that but you have missed a lot of the commentry that claudia makes every day, and much of it mounts to how intelligent whites are and how stupid blacks are. she makes it a racial, genetic thing, instead of recognizing the realities of where the past has led us. as i said i agree with criticism of the anc, but criticising a whole race i do not agree with, and it is nothing more then racism. her tone of superiority is also very annoying and in my opinion she comes out looking stupid, rather than intelligent as she is so assured she is. people are people, culture is a determining factor, not genetics.

      darryn.lahner - 2012-11-01 15:48

      Gianni - Maybe so but then rather call her a racist where she makes a racist comment but I don't seen anything racist by what she has written here. By doing so will only make your point.

      gerald.king.589 - 2012-11-01 16:15

      Dear de Klerk, Thank you for freeing the country… just like that. Many of us wouldnt know what on earth damier ebene and epi are, but today we'll take both, no problem. We literally have you to thank for everything mkhulu. Regards.

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 16:42

      gianni.blayse- November 1, 2012 at 13:56 Please man, you opinionated liberal bore! What the hell do you know about the poor? Have you tried to start a business where your company can employ minimum wage employees? Have you done the hard yards in dealing with the useless blacks working in government departments who's sole purpose of existence is to make it as difficult as possible to advance? So really, you spineless liberal slugs are the crux of this country's predicament as without a backbone and fire in the eyes to succeed, you become this useless sack of horse manure parroting the party line of Zoomer and his posse of thieves! So really man, grow a couple, it's not that hard!!

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 16:42

      lorain.maseko- November 1, 2012 at 13:56 That right there is your demise and the demise of this country. I care less about the DA or ANC or any assorted fools lying and stealing for a living! Politicians are not going to advance this country, in fact, they are steering it into the muck with their stupid laws and incessant stealing. We, the people on the ground starting up businesses, employing the unemployable and creating the systems for advancement are the drive of this country. You and your bunch of ANC morons are so stuck to the party and the perceived bling of your chosen politician, the world is leaving you behind. If a black is stupid, I'll say it. If a white is idiotic, I'll say it as without the balls to do this, you and your liberal bunny hugger white trash will sit and debate over BS while the country dies! Get a life, man!!

      frank.cornelissen.1 - 2012-11-01 16:48

      gianni.blayse- November 1, 2012 at 14:31 Instead of reading a book, you lot of liberal bunny huggers should try leaving your lair where like-minded idiots congregate with Chè t-shirts and Malema berets sipping red plonk and boring each other to death with BS. No one dare to voice a strong opinion as everyone is gripped in a death knell of fear that you might offend someone! What a bunch of clowns you lot are!

      mzwandile.sazona.3 - 2012-11-01 17:04

      @gianni.blayse - I can't agree with you more, I have seen the worse comments in this forum, dispicable as they representing the teachings of the architecs of arpartheid, the likes of Verwoed. Racism will take us more where except that it will distroy all of us and our country. What amse me is that the same racism who day in and day out write such derogatory and racist comment about Blacks and yet they still want Blacks to vote them into power (how stupid could you be). I am impressed about your comments and viewpoint and dkeep up preaching non racism. That is the only way to go. Lorian.masek well said as well.

      heathway.master - 2012-11-01 18:12

      I love the new South Africa. The census says the majority population is expanding at a frightening rate. As time goes by, the minorities percentage of the population continuously decreases. The majority still demand the ever decreasing minority ratio, to supply them all with jobs. They sit on pavements, at kraals, under trees, waiting for these jobs to be created for them, by the people they label as oppressors, and destroyers of all African culture. The masses must start generating their own jobs. Where are the massive black industries and manufacturing factories, dam and PowerStation builders, construction companies, mining magnates who have started Greenfield mining operations etc etc etc. These are the black entrepreneurs who should be creating jobs for their own people, instead of demanding performance from the minorities. Bill Gates dropped out of school and started Microsoft in his garage. Anglo American was started by two penniless gold panners. Steve jobs, started Apple from a back room in his house. Nowhere else in the entire world, do the masses look to the minority to keep them employed, fed and housed. Masses, please smell the roses. White jobs are not to your liking (Continuous strikes) Let blacks go and create their own jobs then.

      sunith.varkey - 2012-11-01 19:04

      The apartheid government was bankrupt. It's not like De Klerks government were good with economics either. Its scary how many people still back this man(based on comments here). White people like to act all innocent and say apartheid wasn't their fault and they were kept in the dark by the government. Well now you know all the injustices that were happening, and you STILL SUPPORT DE KLERK! I'm not a fan of the ANC either, but at least with them in power I have a certain amount of freedom!

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 22:30

      thanks gymiro - i feel that by speaking up a bit on this forum instead of letting all these people just sit back and agree with each other, like the blind leading the blind. sometimes i dont want to, because its overwhelming how much ignorance there is. I think news24 caters for a particular group, because i know most of s.africa isnt so racist, wishes the best for this country, and that S.AFRICA IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE REALEST AND MOST COHESIVE VERSIONS OF MULTICULTURALISM IN THE WORLD - america may be multicultural but everyone assimilates to being an american verrry quickly, south africa however is really a mash up of so many cultures, languages, and differences, and there is not one version of what a south african is. it may not always be easy but its beautiful

      kirsten.a.foster.100 - 2012-11-02 08:40

      Loraine- How about you comment on the post and NOT the people commenting? Well said De Klerk! All true!

      patrick.mbense - 2012-11-02 14:08

      Well said Mr De Klerk, of course apartheid causes inherited problems but this government and us cant keep blaming that. ANC have been in power nearly 20 years and have done little to nothing except line the pockets of a few corrupt officials. Maybe they dont want to educate the masses so they will not be able to understand whats going on.

  • bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-01 12:16

    Well de Klerk, We all know that when you where in control it was grey men in black suits. Now it is black men it grey suits. Nothing has changed. They are even using your old laws to hide behind corruption. The Key point act for example....

      WarrenStylin - 2012-11-01 12:45

      The difference though. De Klerk stole 20% and gave 80% back. Now the ANC is stealing 80% and giving 20% back.

      bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-01 12:54

      They give back! WOW!

      clifford.sithole.5 - 2012-11-01 13:03

      Thank you de klerk for giving us the country on a silver plater. You had no choice because of sanctions and preasure from the US and UK. At least now we can play the cricket and the rugby overseas ..No problem.

      samantha.ungerer.1 - 2012-11-01 13:07

      everytime i read all this replies the only thing that hits me is Animal Farm, over and over again, South Africa belongs to the people not the suits, it will do well if they can only remember that. at this stage its like alice in wonderland spriraling down the rabbit hole

      marc.ross.965 - 2012-11-01 13:09

      To all those who keep on going on and on about redistribution of wealth let me tell you how to get your share. Instead of blaming the whites start thinking and behaving like them. Many "black" South Africans have done so and they are prospering. If you want to be wealthy like whites do as they do. 1) Have fewer children. You will save money and can afford to educate them. 2) Get an education no matter how long it takes.Even if it means you have to suffer and go into debt. EDUCATE your children. 3) Spread your wealth evenly amongst your children when you die. Not just the eldist and males. 4) If you get a job do anything and everything to keep it.The pay may be low but it is a job. Once you lose your first job it is difficult to get another. Be the Hardest worker so that your boss sees you are the one he should promote. Just because you have 15 sick days a year doesn't mean you have to use them all even if you are not sick. 4) Choose leaders who improve your lives. Look at their track record and choose leaders who deliver. Do not believe you will get a job, a house and a car because someone says you will.You need to earn those for yourself. 5) Help yourself and your own family first. No-one else will. 6)If you cant find a job start your own. Buy and sell vegetables, wash cars, cut hair, fix shoes DO SOMETHING. You have a talent to do something. 7) Respect yourself. Tell yourself that you are the best person in the world. Because you are

      lucky.mpoza - 2012-11-01 13:39

      Wow @Marc ross! That was the best comment I have ever read. It is very much in line with my thoughts exactly. I have seen lazy white SA who get jobs through nepotism- all i can tell you is they did not go anywhere. I have also seen the kind you are talking about and THEY ARE THE BEST AND THEY GIVE OTHERS OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL. Wealth distribution- I call it. Not the one where you will be promised for the rest of your life.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 14:02

      @ marc.ross.965- I cant fault you on that comment, true words.

      jacques.smit - 2012-11-01 14:33

      Give marc.ross.965 a Bells! :)

      marius.bosman.779 - 2012-11-01 15:26

      @ Bosveld.Reaper,.. no it is not the same laws.. Under apartheid the NP government admitted that all are not equal - but still the country prospered. Now the ANC goverment say all are equal but use apartheid laws and the nation suffers. Another thing,.. yes there were corruption under the previous government and two ministers went to jail. (please read up on minister Pietie du Plessis and minister Abe Williams). They were not redeployed and did defnitely not receive medical parole after the first week...

      darryn.lahner - 2012-11-01 15:33

      clifford.sithole.5 - He had to give it back to the people because the majority of SA WHITES told him to do so in the 1992 referendum. Yes, the WHITES voted for freedom and independence for ALL south africans and most importantly to end Apartheid. Problem is..... tit for tat........ the ANC brought it back. Google 1992 referendum south africa.

      warren.rodel - 2012-11-01 15:56

      @Marc - Cheers! well said! Yes get that man a Bells!

      tito.mario.927 - 2012-11-01 16:08

      To Marc Ross. You make very good points. Here it is: to break it down even simpler, no matter where you go in the world, it is impossible for you to get a house, car, and wealth, by just putting an X in a box. It just cannot happen, no matter who promises you that.

  • nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-11-01 12:20

    We know FW...we know.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:13

      "De Klerk, co-winner of the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize with Nelson Mandela, acknowledged that some of the country's woes were inherited from the apartheid". Now here's a man who does not run from the truth,thank you Deklerk.

      brian.connell.18 - 2012-11-01 13:36

      lorain.maseko: You quoted out of context. Now read the whole paragraph ... it ends: "the ANC was primarily responsible for the current crisis". Makes a bit of a difference, doesn't it? You are typical of blinkered and biased population of this rapidly declining country of ours.

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-11-01 13:36

      De Klerk you sold us out buddy, don't come your old soldier now.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:43

      @ brian.connell.18- No Brian I read that part, I dont need to read it because i know it as a fact but it dosnt change the fact that he is acknowledging the mess that was caused by partheid,most of you just simply refuse to do so.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:44

      @ justanotherguy.fromsa-Do you really know that? Do you really because from what i'm redin here daily it seems most of you dont know that

  • tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-11-01 12:20

    White people will never get it. Wealth need to be redistributed. Where are we going to get the wealth if whites still control our economy, we can’t go and create from the onset because what all the resources are owned by minority and De Klerk himself benefitted from this immoral activities. I agree that we cannot blame all to the past. But when it comes to wealth and Land, apartheid is to blame.

      bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-01 12:26

      So in what wood must I make that bowl of yours?

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-11-01 12:26

      Wealth creation needs to be taught, people that get money with little effort battle to keep it. Redistribution wealth don't work, working for your own money works best.

      bosveld.reaper - 2012-11-01 12:26

      Steen, go and look the most richest people list for Africa....Damn the Oppenheimers are poor compared to the BEE fatcats.

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-11-01 12:28

      If you do, the money and investors will disappear. People will starve. Do you get that? Why don't you use the brilliant education the ANC gave you over the last 18 years, and create your own wealth? Start your own company. If it was that easy in apartheid, it should be easy now, as all the same racist rules apply.

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-11-01 12:28

      No, you need to work for your money just like we did during apartheid and still continue to do. This free hand outs needs to stop.

      enlightened.bowman - 2012-11-01 12:32

      When the bloody hell are you people going to start creating your own wealth instead of waiting for us to create it for you and then ask for it to be re distributed? It's like you just can not snap out of it, do some work, try to think, sorry, I'll leave that one out, do some work, dont come to work in a suit and spend half the day drinking tea and warming up whatever it is in the MW, and then expect to be called into a board meeting and just sit there being black african. Unfortunately, the advanced world sets the pace and it is somewhat faster than africa fathoms. Come to terms with that, and maybe in an ice age or two, you'll live up to expectations and deserve the cars and houses you have been given

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-11-01 12:32

      Steen, why don't you do what the whites had to do....create your own wealth by studying and working hard! Even if you take every cent that belongs to every white person in South Africa, you will NOT change the life of the previously disadvantaged. Rather face the truth and that is when J Van Riebeeck landed in 1652 South Africa was a wilderness waiting to be discovered and developed. However if you look at the history of Europe and the Far East you will find that these places were already developing back in that era!!

      claudia.meads - 2012-11-01 12:35

      Steen.., Where did white people get the wealth in the first place..? This is what your kind will never fathom...

      ludlowdj - 2012-11-01 12:36

      "we can't go create from the onset because all the resources are owned by the minority" Do you actually believe the drivel you are talking? The only resources you may be able to point at are minerals, which government is a major shareholder in as are almost all of the black major ANC allies, as for everything else blacks from other African countries come here and open thriving small businesses on a daily basis, well until the local black population burns them out for "stealing" the market from them anyway.

      sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-01 12:36

      So Steen what you are saying is that the white people of Europe, USA & Australasia who are also wealthier than the African continent must also redistribute there wealth? The bottom line is that Black Africans have been enslaved and exploited throughout history because of your weaknesses. Black Africans need to stop looking at their miserable past and start making a new one future for themselves and that opportunity is here now. The fact that Black Africans are still wanting everything for nothing, concentrating on the past shows me that your history is just going to repeat itself.

      johan.fou - 2012-11-01 12:37

      @Steen: In effect, what you are saying, is that ur too stupid to create ur own wealth, and therefore other people's wealth (which they created) needs to be given ("redistributed") to you. Maybe we should just give it to you. In that way, we can create our own wealth again, and you will spend it all in a record time...leaving us all back at square one. With the exception that you then cannot claim what is not yours anymore.

      willem.bouwer.58 - 2012-11-01 12:39

      Steen, here is an example a read! A professor showed his class first hand that sharing socialism is not a good thing. He said that the entire class will get the average of the tests that would be done in the semester. After the first test everybody got a B. As you can think the lazier students were very happy and learned even less for the next test, and the harder working students decided they wanted a free ride too, so did even less, as you can imagine the class did worse, and so it went on and everybody failed the class. So to be clear when the reward is great you would work harder, you can not legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. You cannot multiply wealth by deviding it. So when you devide the wealth equally, all the hard working people will stop working aswell, and that my friend is the beginning of the end. You seem to be one of the lazier ones just sitting around and wanting to be rich instead of working hard to get somewhere....

      Tendani Razwiedani - 2012-11-01 12:40

      there you right When it comes to land we blame them

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-01 12:41

      I am getting really gatvol of this economy card that get played when the race card is so tattered that anyone can identify it when the pack is shuffled. How about you name these people that control the economy? And then tell us also how they are preventing you from creating wealth? Do you think that if that was true that the gravy trough snuffling "Elite" would not have changed it to suit them during the past 20 years???? And then also tell us what they should be doing to "distribute" wealth? Then we can abolish EE/AA/BBEEE, social grants, the concerns about a failed education system, the absolute racist attitude of people like you. And I will be happy to see the R7Bn stolen that could have been used for wealth creation, the building and upgrades of Nkandla, the ownership of Aurora, and so it goes on. But I have heard a black man say to me, that everything wrong in this country, he blames on Apartheid. Not the existence of, but the current lack of........

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-11-01 12:42

      That very same money you claimed you work hard for came from our resources and that need to be addressed. And privilege was given to white people only, so where the hell will the ANC get the money from if not by redistributing land and other resources? And another thing is all this big entities are owned by whites who prefer to do business with whites only and strictly them only. All this needs to change don’t tell me to go and start my own company where as apartheid never taught my folks about business. Once you get this into your thick skull I am sure we can have a progress. We don’t need Zimbabwe style I would like to believe that we are civil enough to find a better way of solving this mess.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-01 12:44

      I am getting really gg@tvooool of this economy card that get played when the race card is so tattered that anyone can identify it when the pack is shuffled. How about you name these people that control t he economy? And then tell us also how they are preventing you from creating wealth? Do you think that if that was true that the gravy trough snuffling "Elite" would not have changed it to suit them during the past 20 years???? And then also tell us what they should be doing to "distribute" wealth? Then we can abolish EE/AA/BBEEE, social grants, the concerns about a failed education system, the absolute racist attitude of people like you. And I will be happy to see the R7Bn stolen that could have been used for wealth creation, the building and upgrades of Nkandla, the ownership of Aurora, and so it goes on. But I have heard a black man say to me, that everything wrong in this country, he blames on Apartheid. Not the existence of, but the current lack of.......

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-11-01 12:48

      Steen. So you believe that a Sangoma can make muti from one persons organs, and then the user will get special powers that the first person had? Same principle.

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-01 12:49

      so you'd rather stand in a queue for a handout as opposed to getting off your ass and actually doing some work ?? I like what I see in the mirror that I paid for with my hard earned money that gets taxed and the taxes get pissed into the ANC wind.

      WarrenStylin - 2012-11-01 12:54

      @Steen - Every country has the same problem. The majority of the wealth in that country controlled by the elite few. So, even if lets say, that all the whites give you all the land and money. You still not going to be in a better place because the Wealthiest black people now will just land up controlling more of the money and keep it for themselves. That's how it works everywhere. Name one country that everyone benefits equally?

      abner.malema - 2012-11-01 13:00

      White stole everything and now they claim to be educated, most of them are policeman, security supervisors and stupid. I'm a lecture in the FET college they are failing everything

      SarelJBotha - 2012-11-01 13:05

      In effect you thus want wholesale theft from whites? Try your luck...at your own peril.

      tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-11-01 13:10

      Apartheid has created most of the problems we have today. Had people given equal opportunities back then we wouldn’t have this black/white thingy. What apartheid did will take years to get corrected? I know white people will disagree with me, but most of them are now start feeling the impact of the imbalances of the past because now the table has turn. Companies are forced to employ black people ahead of qualified white people because apartheid government didn’t want to give black people a chance and we can’t afford to continue giving a white man a chance. Had the past government gave us equal opportunities we would not have this problem.

      michelle.marshall.3158652 - 2012-11-01 13:12

      Steen, Redistribution of wealth is a good thing i agree - but why is it that the people who voted the ANC into power still live in shacks, are unemployed and in dire straits. Didnt the ANC promise to redistribute the wealth to the people who voted rather than to their "Big Boys" I havent seen a skinny ANC politician but see thousands of skinny ANC supporters at every street corner!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-01 13:13

      You have to make your own opportunities... Or did white people get handed their success on a silver platter?

      victoria.kennedy.3532 - 2012-11-01 13:15

      Ai Steen you are what is wrong with this country. Why on earth do people feel entitled to the things they do not work for? And you know what i would be 50% less annoyed about wealth distribution if it actually went to the people who need instead of the rich getting richer. Does JZ ever consider that his R2 million salary is a tad bit ridiculous since unemployment is so high? And you know what else, we can put the blame on whatever for our current predicament, however it doesnt change anything or provide solutions. So maybe we should stop passing the buck of blame onto everything than what it actually is and actually suggest solutions to it rather that "redistributing the blame.

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-01 13:15

      Steen. I'm sure that the tax-payers of this country wouldn't complain IF the money was used for the upliftment of the poor, improvement of health services, maintenance of roads, infastructure, etc, etc, instead of it being stolen by corrupt politicians and greedy civil servants. During apartheid, there were no handouts. People worked very hard for a living to get what they wanted. No such thing as a grant for pregnant schoolgirls. This country cannot survive on people breeding like rabbits and expecting the tax-payer to foot the bill by way of grants. This perception creates a lazy "why-should-I-work" attitude. You can moan all you like about how apartheid is to blame for all your woes, but until you get some work ethic going, you will always be just another directionless troll living in the past and blaming everything on everyone but themselves. De Klerk is right. The cANCer is responsible for the degradation in this country. Fact.

      terrence.trichardt - 2012-11-01 13:17

      @Steen. You can distribute money and land and cars and houses and jewellery and furniture and and and....These things do not last. You cannot distribute wealth. It's time people, like you, realise that wealth is a result of effort, talent and skills and we sure as hell cannot distribute effort or talent but we can distribute skills. The effort must be put in and the talent discovered.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-01 13:17

      And just btw, not ALL white people are rich and successful. I know of many that are kinda like "trailor trash" in America.

      christopher.shining - 2012-11-01 13:23

      @abner and steen...There is this song that is perfect for you! it goes something like this .... " I am a loser baby, so why don't you kill me" poetic justice I call it...yso the two of you must sing it loudly and proudly.

      carol.paterson.923 - 2012-11-01 13:30

      @ Steen, why don't you crawl back under the steen from which you came!

      1amAlan - 2012-11-01 13:40

      Please start with your lackeys in government helping themselves at your expense to whatever the hell they like, accountable to nobody.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-11-01 13:45

      @wesley.bischoff And even that white trailer trash blame nobody and make ends meet on their own mostly. But check out who gets the foodstamps mostly.

      WvdWesthuizen - 2012-11-01 14:16

      People still BUY land (yes, I have to BUY a house, not take it for free!) and WORK HARD (aka education, inspiration, innovation) to obtain wealth. Why must people just get everything for free if being a proper citizen can solve all your problems?

      gianni.blayse - 2012-11-01 14:26

      @claudia and others - read a book. whites, as in europe who colonized most of the world, got their wealth from pillaging the wealth of the rest of the world. i was sure you had a tertiary education? whites colonized the rest of the world becuase europe was a place of intense competion, many tribes in a small space.they did not get their wealth becuae they are genetically superior. idiot. it came from violence and assimilating cultures to christianity,enslaving nations and profiting from cheap or free labour. claudia for someone who thinks she is so intelligent, you are not very well read.

      tito.mario.927 - 2012-11-01 16:14

      @Steen, you better hurry and learn very quickly the tools that most people use to create wealth. Hurry up your neighbours from further north are moving in by the millions, and taking advantage of the infrastructure available in this country. I'll give you a tip to give you a headstart Education + hard work = success. Don't be afraid of the first 2 things.

      johan.fou - 2012-11-01 17:05

      @Steen You carry on about land and minerals. 1. Who put value to the minerals, and who first started to mine them? Yes, the whites! You get a gold star! 2. How did ur ancestors use the land productively? (I'm not talking about filling it with children.) The answer is: They didn't and very large parts of the land they didn't even live on. 3. Who did start using the land productively, and started feeding the WHOLE nation with it? Come on Steen. We all know ur very slow, but even you can get the answer to question 3.

      brian.j.schultz - 2012-11-01 21:34

      Steen, I think it's you that needs to "get it". You don't increase anything by dividing it. I had a factory in Wadeville (one of the larger industrial areas in Gauteng) a few years ago. Of the thousands of small businesses there I doubt that 1 (one) was owned and run by a black person. In my opinion that is a very serious indictment on government policy and black expertise/entrepreneurship. I believe this is fundamental to our future.

      nelie.vanaardt - 2012-11-02 03:34

      Steen I agree so much wiht lorain, and wish she will stand for parliament, just to get one realistic person in there. No matter the past, most of us Whities thought the Black people were happily living in their "Homelands" Soweto, Alexandra were not known to us, maybe the Joburg people. The wors part of aparthied as I see it is that we did not learn know each other. Your leaders were telling you how bad we are and our Leaders told us how bad you are. It is only whe the paw.paw hit the fan that everybody started to wake up. I think the whites were ready for change as was promised by Mandela without realising that he is a Communist and was making false promisses..His Inaugural speech "Never, never and never again will one nation suffer the injustices etc...please watch on youtube and listen carefully. We chose to believe him, at the same time look at him sining kill the white,his promises and what he did did not tally. Unfotunately the ANC has incied the vulnarable youth from Birth to hate the Whites, the Whites did not do such, they taught us to pity them (wich was also unfair) Lets face one thing it is time for a Woman to take controll. The whole world is in a mess, all these Countries were run by Males and so far the made one Big mess of this. Wonem are more practical, they have to bring up kids in poverty, Grandmothers are the saving Grace for so many unfortunate children but could hardly feed them. The Black people are as much to blame as the Whites

      nelie.vanaardt - 2012-11-02 04:18

      Hi Steen, I will e back in S.A. soon and would really apprciate a personal meeting with you, there is so much we misunderstandabout each other and this place does not give enough space to discuss it all. Please befriend me at Facebook and we can become real friends I hope

      gavin.hillyard - 2012-11-02 12:45

      Wealth first needs to be created and then distributed. A larger portion of a growing cake is better than trying to grab more and more of a shrinking cake. As far as control of the economy is concerned, if it is true that "whites control the economy" I say thank God for that when you consider what a mess the government has and is making of Eskom, SAA, Telkom, education, health, and declining infrastructure - need I go on? I'm not trying to do anything else than be pragmatic. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see our black brothers and sisters prosper and find a place in the sun. But the first step to solving problems is to RECOGNIZE that there are problems. I am priveleged to live in the W Cape where the standards of living, schooling, infrastructure, forward planning etc, etc are the best in the country - I wonder why? By the way these thoughts have just been confirmed in the latest government sponsored census so please don't accuse me of being a rascist. It saddens me to see the divide between some of us and the nasty emotional language that people from all opinions use. Getting personal detracts from an arguement and often is used as a substitute for a rational point of view.

  • ditantane.kganakga - 2012-11-01 12:21

    look who's talking!

      nkosinathi.maseko.39 - 2012-11-01 12:29

      You can say that again.

      ngwato.makgata - 2012-11-01 12:35

      I agree with u!! I don't expect de clerk 2 comment abt de ANC! Tis guy is protecting de interests of minority. We want 2 liv like dem, we also want 2 enjoy de benefits of tis country.

      Willie - 2012-11-01 12:39

      Do not be naive, we can only judge a man about what is doing now.Stop dwelling in the past is not gonna help us. Some people think they are more patriotic than others.Stop thinking like Republicans in the US

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-11-01 12:40

      @ngwato.makgata we have something in common, I want to live like Cyril, Tokio,Jacob etc. I happen to know where FW lives, and its nothing special. you obviously believe everything you are fed.

      Jeremy - 2012-11-01 12:45

      To Ngwato...if you want to "liv like dem" you have to work like dem and stop expecting handouts. White people may occasionally be complete bastards individually, but what they tend to have in common is a desire to better themselves through education and hard work. You should try doing the same....

      Eterni80 - 2012-11-01 12:54

      the truth hurts doesn't it mushroom

      kyle.l.swart - 2012-11-01 12:59

      At ngwato - Learn to spell before trying to demand cash.

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-01 13:22

      Ditantane. Maybe you should listen to what the man says. He speaks the truth of the state the country is in at present. If you don't see it, rip your head out of the sand, wipe the poop from your eyes and take serious note of just how much the cANCer is cocking up SA.

      robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-11-01 13:50

      ngwato.makgata .. How about you go to school and learn to spell..What is "tis" and "abt" "de".. You Moron!! That's why this country is in shambles.. pathetic

  • JManAtheoi - 2012-11-01 12:21

    When people elect incompetent leaders and fraudsters to lead them, that's what you get..unfortunately.

      jpstrauss - 2012-11-01 13:27

      Yes, the same thing happened after Verwoerd's assassination.

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-11-01 12:22

    You and your government plundered this country before you left office. There was as much corruption then as there is now. Only difference is the cruel joke that the ANC is ruling during the Information Age. We just didn`t know about it back then. You have no right and no place to voice any opinion whatsoever. You didn`t end Apartheid. Apartheid died with PW`s mind during his first stroke. You just played out the game and negotiated a financial truce for you and your buddies...in the hope you would be dead and gone before the s$%#t hit the fan.

      handy.andy.3990 - 2012-11-01 12:41

      @Sidney - please take me to the R240m house that was built for any of the Apartheid presidents with state money.

      Jeremy - 2012-11-01 12:49

      Sidney, you may be right to a degree. However, the level of corruption was lower than it is now - and the level of performance significantly higher! I'm not defending apartheid or FW, but he hasn't been in power for 18 years - and her certainly has the right to express an opinion on what's happened since then.

      kyle.l.swart - 2012-11-01 13:01

      You right! There probably was corruption and other deceptive things happening behind closed doors back then but you what... The country still prospered.

      ria.punzul - 2012-11-01 14:05

      steen whites have worked ours and ours for what they have....try it! maybe u will become something. you black people lived hundreds of years in sa, why didnt you something for yourselves all those years? maybe you dont have the intelligence of white people to think things out and do it

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-01 14:06

      You appear to be in the Minority : unsurprising considering the Garbish you are spilling !

      wwrer.ww - 2012-11-01 15:54

      White rulers weren't corrupt. Let me prove it to you: 200 countries imposed economic sanctions upon South Africa. The USSR planted 50 million landmines in Angola, Tanzania, Zaire, Mozambique and Rhodesia. That is more landmines than in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. SA was part of 5 wars in 5 African countries - 1 million died in Angola, 1 million in Mozambique, the whites were chased out of Mozambique, out of Zimbabwe, out of Angola, out of the Belgium Congo, all the farms seized, all their businesses seized. In South Africa, the ANC attacked the whites constantly. Powerful labor unions were forming against us. THERE WAS NEVER TIME FOR CORRUPTION. We were about to lose everything, all our businesses, all our homes. In Mozambique our neighbour, the Portuguese were given 48 hours to LEAVE. 400,000 Mozambicans left with only what they could carry in 2 days. And yet despite all this we still developed this country, everything you see, except the soccer stadiums, we built. Do you know how many km of railway tracks was built during apartheid? 15,000+ km of railway tracks. Do you know how much have been built since 1994? 180 km. Go check it for yourself. All the roads, all the railways, did they magically appear? The roads are full of potholes now and they are not even maintained. It costs far more to build a new road than to maintain it. The ANC won't even maintain it, despite no economic sanctions, nothing.

  • ben.alexander.16144 - 2012-11-01 12:22

    Ja nee FW.......you never saw this coming.....shut up already.

  • freddie.miff - 2012-11-01 12:24

    Duh, stating the obvious. The ANC is simply not capable of managing a modern economy.

      ben.alexander.16144 - 2012-11-01 12:34

      Nor their own tea club, heard it was stolen dry on numerous occassions....

      siphiwe.dhlamini.12 - 2012-11-01 13:30

      sure

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-11-01 12:25

    Indeed! Apartheid can't be used as an excuse anymore for the current state of the nation. Its all thanks to cANCer and their inability to lead.

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-01 12:26

    The ANC needs to change it's ideology and then policies. If this does not happen the country are doomed.If we ac like S.A. are not part of the world we will be excluded. If we have a country with huge wages why would they come to S.A. ?

  • warren.rodel - 2012-11-01 12:26

    cANCer

      Don.Tandy - 2012-11-01 12:47

      Anarchy Nepotism Corruption - business as usual.

  • morris.khunou - 2012-11-01 12:28

    This is a fair analysis of an elderly citizen and a former president. As I read the story I failed to make a connection with the title "lambast".

  • morris.khunou - 2012-11-01 12:30

    This is a fair analysis of an elderly citizen and a former president. As I read the story I failed to make a connection with the title "lambast".

  • Shaun - 2012-11-01 12:31

    its not the anc fault,its the people who vote them in,we can all vote for a apple to be president but then we complain about the apple not doing a good job,just dont vote the apple into power then.its 101 economics,but seeing as we the lowest in maths and science how can we blame stupid people for being stupid.

  • debduplessis - 2012-11-01 12:32

    well said... I couldn't agree more! This is what happens when very weak "leadership" is voted in!

  • dewalds3 - 2012-11-01 12:32

    The policies of the ANC was always very clear, mr De Klerk! You also knew perfectly well that they would be the future governing party. You can not blame YOUR failure to take another route on the ANC....

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-11-01 12:43

      dewalds3, I don't see that FW had a choice, he realised the old apartheid system was very wrong, he knew it could not continue, luckily there was a great man by the name of Nelson Mandela to oversee the early transition, none of us, not even NM, could have envisaged the corruption and racism that would follow through ANC government, the future of this country is the DA, ultimately they will be voted into power and the entire population of this country will benefit, except of course those on the gravy train, their days of raping the economy will be over, I reckon not later than 2019, maybe before that if we physically throw this mob out of government.

      wwrer.ww - 2012-11-01 17:35

      The New South Africa suffered 4 major hits: 1. Zimbabwe was a major hit - 9 million extra out of work and on UN food aid. 2. 4 million illegals through open borders. 3. 1 million skilled whites and 250k Asians leaving. 4. Eskom. Those were the 4 biggest financial hits to date, hits the ANC really could have prevented.

  • claudia.meads - 2012-11-01 12:33

    Did Apartheid., - Cause SA's current trade deficit..? - Cause the current flight of investment capital from SA..? - Cause the out of control population growth..? - Cause the false CPIX current presented by STATS-SA (probably half of the de facto rate)..? - Make the current government so corrupt..? - Build Nkandla..? - Invent e-Toll..? - Destroy SAA, Telkom, the SABC, etc. - Have the worst economic growth rate in Africa..? - Destroy the infrastructure..? - Produce the current Illiterate Graduates..? - Eat up the text-books..? - Or caused Hurricane Sally..? Bla, bla, bla... I think de Klerk is particularly kind, to the buffoons who are as capable of running a country, as a two year old is of flying an Airbus A380...

      UncleShep - 2012-11-01 12:39

      you sick, seek help ASAP

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-11-01 12:59

      SAd lad

      heinrich.etsebeth - 2012-11-01 13:05

      If he is sick for pointing out the obvious to you then you should be 6ft under already ;)

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:18

      Guys dont psy Claudia no mind,something horrible happened to her in Zimbabwe now she's rflecting that on SA,when shein fact should be bothering about Mugabe or maybe shes taking advatage of the fact that there is freedom of speech in SA because she knows she wont try this crap with the war veterans,they will kickc her European ass baack to Europe. I'm not even sure why she bothers with what's happening here in Sa she should be worried about the Euro she said herself she is european and the last i checked europe was'nt doing that fantastic go and be useful in europe and leave African probl;ems to Africans please claudia

      hummer.hlophe - 2012-11-01 14:32

      during apartheid the economy actually shrank and inflation was high.and yes sa could not import and export because of sanctions name one big investor that 'fled' from sa in the last 5 years out of control,says who,you ms statistician general Cause the false CPIX current presented by STATS-SA (probably half of the de facto rate)..? what is this?? trying to sound smart?CPIX is consumer price index and is more of a reserve bank thing than stats SA,get it? you dont read much do you?well a lot of papers have been written about apartheid corruption.Remember how wouter basson lived lavishly with two state sponsored private planes while he worked on biological weapons? remember the citizen newspaper scandal?assasinations? did not build nkandla fair enough but a state register taken shortly after 94 could not locate 25000 state owned properties because they disappeared with the rest of the million documents incinerated by de klerk e-toll is a revenue generating plan,being debated to date i flew saa recently,did not know it was destroyed.my landline is still working,may have to check and i watched bafana on sabc,what are you talking about? our economy grew at a steady 6% from 1999-2004,decline to 3-4 % at onset of crisis.We went through the crisis without any bail outs.We were cushioned by the SWC. Gautrain,stadiums,hospital bend(ct),expanded highways??? um how can you graduate if you are illiterate?did you attand varsity?do you know what goes on there?btw SA universitie

      hummer.hlophe - 2012-11-01 14:36

      sa univerisities now ranked higher than they were before(uct,stellies in particular)research output has tripled UWC upgraded to a tune of 450 million to increase its research output no one ate textbooks,you are silly its sandy not sally,idiot bleh i think de klerk gave a fairly objective analysis

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-11-01 12:36

    Who cares about what you say/feel Mr De Klerk? Huh? If I was You I would shut up! if you continue to praat-praat, you will get off the gravy train my friend.. Ask Comrade Julius, Shivambu, and Magaqa! Why u never hear Van Schalk Wyk pls talk to this bra..

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-11-01 12:36

    Who cares about what you say/feel Mr De Klerk? Huh? If I was You I would shut up! if you continue to praat-praat, you will get off the gravy train my friend.. Ask Comrade Julius, Shivambu, and Magaqa! Why u never hear Van Schalk Wyk pls talk to this bra..

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-11-01 14:50

      Buthelezi you diction belongs in a tsotse magazine it makes no comment about the current problems facing our country except to indicate you are just another misguided ANC supporter. Surely everybody including an expresident of the current government is entiteled to an opinion ?

      dan.vanryneveld - 2012-11-01 17:27

      troll alert!!!

  • moruti.shuping - 2012-11-01 12:36

    In my opinion, people of South Africa should also blame themselves for certain issues affecting them. We lack the ability to take responsibility for our own actions and always want to point fingers when things go wrong. Worse, always the government must be blamed...

      thepatrickwinter - 2012-11-01 13:51

      There is an element of truth to your comment, thing is we are all faced with a potential revolution knocking on our door. This would definately be the govt's fault, the argument is too strong on that call. Then what !!??

  • leffytiger.valoyi - 2012-11-01 12:37

    well Mr De Klerk,i guess ur trying to yet again sugest that aparthed was way better,just like everybody else that just has a problem with power being where it belongs,they attack the ''policies of the ANC'' meanwhile deep down u know exatly what nd where ur problem ls:::::lets here u justify ur recist views wth policies.

      ngwato.makgata - 2012-11-01 12:43

      I agree with u! Mr de clerk is representing de apartheid legacy, he's heart is bleeding wen blacks r living like him!! He must keep his comments, we'll vote 4 de ANC no matter wat.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-11-01 13:14

      @ngwato, this is exactly why democracy never works in Africa, people are loyal to a party 'no matter wat' (as you put it). Democracy only works in an environment where the majority has the intelligence to understand that democracy is not about blindly following a party and accepting whatever they dish up. It is all about keeping a balance by ensuring that one party does not get too strong. All working democracies have two dominant parties (or coallissions) which swap power every now and then. Any party that gets too big and stays in power too long will become corrupt and incompetent ... same is true in business where one company totally monopolizes a sector. Healthy democracy is about voting with your head.

      andrew.lodder.9 - 2012-11-01 13:29

      @ngwato.makgata And therein lies your belief - we'll vote for the Anc no matter what! You have a choice so if you want more of the same shameful government then go ahead. Pity that our poor citizens will have to continue having a life of joblessness/hunger/etc. They can change it if they want to by voting correctly. The Anc are the biggest racists - if they were not then someone like Manuel could be nominated for the president but no he's not black enough!

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-01 13:30

      It's the age-old African way. The people serve the dictator and they don't know why.

      hennie.deruyter - 2012-11-01 13:56

      @ngwato: what you got in 1994 was democracy. Vote for who you want but understand the responsibility what comes with it. If the party you vote for performs poorly you are in fact disencouraging them to improve. It is like shopping at shop A even though they are worse and more expensive then Shop B simply because you like their adverts more! Understand that democracy is bigger than the Anc or the Np and that by having the vote now you are responsible to your children for making the best choice. It will do the Anc a lot of good to lose a large amount of votes as it will be an incentive to improve.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-01 14:10

      @Ngwato; And you will remain forever a fool : So be it !

  • Jakes Plus Sam - 2012-11-01 12:38

    I am so sick of some black people, take note and read this correctly, SOME black people always blaming whites, get over yourselves, stop playing the blame game and work for what you want, stop saying its cause of apartheid. Crap man, its 18 years already and you still blaming the white!!!!!!!

      lorain.maseko - 2012-11-01 13:37

      Jake even Deklerk agrees that alot of the ills we experience are due to Apartheid,but on the other hand you have a point in that the apartheid excuse is used too loosely.

      ria.punzul - 2012-11-01 14:15

      Jakes in hundreds years later they will still blame apartheid....shame pathetic

  • stephen.ambartzakis - 2012-11-01 12:39

    De Klerk you c**ks*ck*r you and your corrupt mates caused this s**t

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-11-01 12:40

    ANC is failing to deal with the socio-economic backlogs they have inherited from apartheid: very true unfortunately if ANC have to fix this problem they have to use race as the basis.\r\nANC is facing a revolt by the poor people it has been promising them a better life.

  • Bongeka - 2012-11-01 12:41

    Mr De Klerk I hear your points of view, but this is not the time for Sipho blaming John and visa versa but time to fix what the National Party government messed up and ANC failing to fix. We know what John did and what Sipho is diong is wrong. Time for great minds to come up with great ideas and implement them for the betterment of our country. Stop telling us what we already know but tell us how to fix it.

      thepatrickwinter - 2012-11-01 13:59

      First thing to fix this problem, is get rid of this current ANC cabinet. Second, make the new cabinet accountable through policies and procedures, where they are working for the country and not themselves. End of...

  • muke.matshaba - 2012-11-01 12:44

    We need a creative president someone who doesnt allways read the so called prepared speeches,A president whose not afraid to challenge anyone anytime for an open debate.if mangaung delegates dont choose and elect wisely i foresee a coupe-de-tat,south africa cant afford such daily protests n job losses change is needed.

      rochelle.kruger.14 - 2012-11-01 15:07

      reading all the comments there are a pretty good bunch of you that will make a good new party especially if the hate is removed you guys will change this country overnight in a success story black and white and me coloured in between LOL!

      byron.scott.754 - 2012-11-01 21:05

      Agreed!! If only 20 million more were on your wave length!

  • Teuneman - 2012-11-01 12:45

    Ja FW! Jy moes hieraan gedink het voor jy die land vir hulle gegee het. PoohPaul.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-11-01 12:56

      Niemand het ons eenige land gegee, ons het baie hard daaroor gewerk het, dumb nut!

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-01 13:01

      En as hy nie die land oorgegee het nie, wat dan Teuneman, wat dan?

      Teuneman - 2012-11-01 13:36

      Kethu: lol\r\nCharl, dan sou kanse baie beter gewees het dat die land nie tot poef verval nie.

  • Samuel - 2012-11-01 12:47

    I stil can't believe that this have a descency to tell people what is right and wrong. How many people have died under his watch because of different views. Shame on you racist de klerk. U were the president of apartheid, I think u shud really keep quite.

      marthunis.britz - 2012-11-01 12:57

      Samuel you are clearly part of the uneducated group of people in SA voting for the ANC just to have a black president and dont care if your country goes to slumps and you will die of starvation with no future for you or your children just as long as the ANC rule. Let me give you a short history lesson you racist. If it wasnt for de Klerk the ANC would still be fighting against apartheid. He ended it. He released Mandela, but because you see a white person who was president you just shout racist because that is what you are! SA dont need you or your mentality go to school get a history lesson and then come back. He wasnt the president of apartheid he was the man who ended it! He was stupid enough to think that the ANC would rule the country in a good way without corruption and with equal opportunities for all. So yes he have the right to say what he did, because he is not race orientated like you, but wants what is best for South Africa but I am sure you cant understand that and cant figure out that if he was a racist like you say, he would not have given the country over to the ANC.

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-01 12:58

      You know nothing samual, how is that he was the president of apartheid? I didn't know apartheid had a president???

      harold.parsons.37 - 2012-11-01 13:28

      Samuel your comment indicates you do not know your history. And pray please tell us how many people mr De Klerk is supposed to have killed and seeing you have the information tell us how many Zuma killed at camp Quatro. I doubt if you will answer because like your ANC you do not have the information(lies) and have a lot of unfactual information in your possesion.

      Samuel - 2012-11-01 17:12

      De klerk never ended apartheud out of goodwill/spirit. He was under pressure to do so! Remember IDASA in 1985,they went to c ANC leaders in Senegal to ask for assistance because business were suffering due to sunctions imposed on south africa, don't tell me I don't know history and for the record my comment never had anc in it, u just assume thta I m anc and I m not. U white people u shud accept that apartheid killed south africa and its still exists especially at work places.

      candicehickman312 - 2012-11-02 02:33

      And how many people have died under the ANC? Wake up and smell the roses he could at least run a country unlike the ANC, the country is now run by uneducated corrupt imbeciles!!! That's why I have recently left South Africa, thanks to the ANC effing up our country- The writings on the wall, for all the educated people that can understand how Economics works = No hope for SA.

  • annelise.vanderschyff - 2012-11-01 12:48

    De klerk you and roelf meyer are to blame!!!!

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-01 12:55

      What are they to blame for? Enlighten me please?

  • Andrea - 2012-11-01 12:48

    The fatcat companies already have AA and BEE in place, spot the whitey when you go to your bank or buy bread at Pick n Pay. The business owner only has so many positions available and when they are filled, that's it. Same with the small business owner. The self employed person really works for himself and has maybe 1 x "assistant". Just where/how exactly does the likes of Steen up top want the wealth to be redistributed. How can we generate employment when the ones expecting to be employed, just because, by FAR outnumber the ones in a position to create said employment? We now know the population stats, it seems an almost impossible challenge. And Steen should also keep in mind that, if you drive a really nice car and live in a really nice house, it doesn't necessarily mean that you've got loads of dough, it quite possibly means that you just owe the bank a hell of a lot of money!

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-11-01 12:49

    F W much easier,in the audience than in the ring.?

  • renard.souza - 2012-11-01 12:55

    This immature arguing about who's fault this is is exactly why both South Africa nd Africa as a whole will remain the worlds ashtray!

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-11-01 12:56

    I remember Dr Eschel Rhoodie and the info scandal pretty well ! The financial vacuum cleaners and money launderers were a bit more sophisticated then! Today's looters are doing their stock-takes in public!

  • motho.batho.98 - 2012-11-01 12:57

    De Klerk is no longer SA president, what is he on about?

      mista.brown1 - 2012-11-01 13:02

      Stupid comment

  • darryl.rebello.90 - 2012-11-01 12:59

    this sounds like the Easter islanders complaining about whose Moi is bigger and grander...while they all stand around complaining about which side of the island has more resources...while the last tree gets cut down and they are stuck in the middle of nowhere...hoping for someone else to come and rescue them. i think that it is time to realise that we are actually not a nation since we do not share what nations share...common language values , work ethic and common vision...it is not cleaved on race however just on those that live in the past and those that do not...off to cut down the last tree standing now...

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-11-01 13:00

    do i have to give you attention? definitely not,it will be as i gave p.w botha attention.mr your time has expired.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-11-01 13:04

    De Klerk, Abel is waiting for you or are you scared to talk to a Boer?

  • Onufry - 2012-11-01 13:05

    Lol the classic South African dilemma: commie leaders blaming apartheid or apartheid leaders blaming communism.

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-11-01 13:05

    @Kenpeg I also blame Mandela for not allowing us to drive you to the sea where you come from when we took over in 1994.

      jeanpaul.boje - 2012-11-01 13:08

      And the Khoi San should have driven you back to North Africa?? Give it a rest

      Hein Van Wyk - 2012-11-01 13:15

      lol you crazy man we are not fish hahah...we came from Europa and plz by all means end me back

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-01 13:21

      At least Mandela had balls. None of the others mentioned in story or posts did or have. Come back and rule Madiba

      jacobs.clint - 2012-11-01 14:37

      Ha, ha, ha drive us to the sea...my friend by the end of the Border war SA's army was ready to take over Angola but was stopped by the Americans who feared our future dominance. Remember when the Zulu nation wanted to drive all the Natal indians into the sea? Who stopped them? You were only good at soft targets not military battles but enough about war that is a last resort and hopefully SA hasn't and never will see that war.

      byron.scott.754 - 2012-11-01 20:32

      And then what?? A couple of years later and u would be crying for foreign aid! And where will u get it from? Definately not from your brothers in africa! And please, tell me I'm wrong! Tell me the steps your people will take to improve this country?

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-11-01 13:06

    How about you rather tell us about Operation Hammer??

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-01 13:58

      Yes!!!!!

  • marc.ross.965 - 2012-11-01 13:08

    To all those who keep on going on and on about redistribution of wealth let me tell you how to get your share. Instead of blaming the whites start thinking and behaving like them. Many "black" South Africans have done so and they are prospering. If you want to be wealthy like whites do as they do. 1) Have fewer children. You will save money and can afford to educate them. 2) Get an education no matter how long it takes.Even if it means you have to suffer and go into debt. EDUCATE your children. 3) Spread your wealth evenly amongst your children when you die. Not just the eldist and males. 4) If you get a job do anything and everything to keep it.The pay may be low but it is a job. Once you lose your first job it is difficult to get another. Be the Hardest worker so that your boss sees you are the one he should promote. Just because you have 15 sick days a year doesn't mean you have to use them all even if you are not sick. 4) Choose leaders who improve your lives. Look at their track record and choose leaders who deliver. Do not believe you will get a job, a house and a car because someone says you will.You need to earn those for yourself. 5) Help yourself and your own family first. No-one else will. 6)If you cant find a job start your own. Buy and sell vegetables, wash cars, cut hair, fix shoes DO SOMETHING. You have a talent to do something. 7) Respect yourself. Tell yourself that you are the best person in the world. Because you are.

      AMNewman - 2012-11-01 13:49

      Wonderful concept Marc. With what capital do you suggest this is achieved with? 1.More children ensure a better pension/Better than the state can provide.2. How do you educate yourself and feed yourself on a pittance you cannot live on. You have to pay back money that you borrow. 3. What wealth are you talking about. That takes more than 20years and the country isn't even that old 4. Why hang onto a job that isn't feeding you. Would you? 4b. Every time a leader is chosen who represents their needs it doesn't suit your needs! 5. Helping yourself first is exactly what the politicians who you say have been incorrectly selected are doing 6. With what capital do you start a business if you have nothing.\r\nI'm going to go back to listening, because these Black people, who you so patronisingly refer to, have been hearing your rhetoric for years. They are actually intelligent enough to have figured that stuff out themselves and would be doing it if it was possible.

      marius.bosman.779 - 2012-11-01 15:49

      @ AMNewman,.. Please go and read the stories of Steve Booysen and Louis Luyt both of them from extremely poor backgrounds. Bot succeeded through hard work and learning.. Both achieved Phd.. Then also there also so many organisations and parastatals that have finance available for blacks whom want to start their own business.. Khula, Umsobomvu, National Youth Fund etc.. But you need the willingness to succeed.

      tmpengezi - 2012-11-01 16:01

      Very true i agree,and it has nothing to do with race or background-it's called using your abilities and not to sit in shade and expect handouts

  • sphala - 2012-11-01 13:08

    Take a mirror and check who to blame and your former apartheid presidents b4 u came into power,all I know is that SA is better than when it was in ur hands,get used to it.

      rhett.deklerk - 2012-11-01 13:10

      Get used to what exactly? Prosperity in its current state?

  • rhett.deklerk - 2012-11-01 13:08

    Alas! Via the comments it is apparent, on a global scale, that education is but a dripping tap.

  • DarleneMelville - 2012-11-01 13:09

    This is crab! I can't believe people can't see what's happening in this country! I voted for ANC with hope for the new SA! Gosh that was bull! Never voted ever since and won't ever again! A handful of blacks is jst moving foward wwhile tons moving backwards! And God knows its the tons that jst keep on voting for the ANC! Hell no!

      sphala - 2012-11-01 13:18

      @Darlene...arg shame, I smell much anger here kwaaaaaa

      DarleneMelville - 2012-11-01 13:23

      U smell yourself

      hummer.hlophe - 2012-11-01 14:44

      yes it is crab

      vivienne.lovett - 2012-11-01 15:55

      Darlene with suPporters like these \things\ commenting its no wonder we are all suffering vote DA they have the power to restore Madibas dream!!

      DarleneMelville - 2012-11-01 17:25

      Dnt know what's the hummer guys story! He's a real prig!

      DarleneMelville - 2012-11-01 17:36

      And @sphala angry I'm not! Dissapointed yes! Mayb your nose is to near your private....or mayb not your breath might be in the way!!! Hahahaaha

  • sparks.sanders - 2012-11-01 13:09

    Bring Mandela Back, even if he is in his 90's he will do a better job than these ANC amateurs running the country into the ground!

      Flo Moloisane - 2012-11-01 13:48

      i can gurante u 1 of dose who wanted him to rot in jail 2day u want 2 sing his praises like all who u used to say Mandela se Ja so se Nee...hypocrites

      JamesMWood - 2012-11-01 17:42

      Actually madiba managed to double unemployment in his term so no, I don't want him back, give me lindiwe instead!

  • Xolani Zwane - 2012-11-01 13:11

    Pot & Kettle

  • AMNewman - 2012-11-01 13:14

    Thank God this okes not president anymore. I fail to see where Marxist Lenonist policies are part of the equation. Unless he's suggesting that it's nationalisation talk that is at the route of our economic problem. If that is what he means, he's a bigger fool than I thought. Can he not see that there is less investment in SA because we're not taking care of our social needs and this creates an environment for unsustainable investment! JUST LIKE UNDER APARTHEID . Investors are generally not as stupid as he is! If the current regime is emulating anyone, it's the old National Party! Jobs for Pals (broederbond), politically motivated police force, massive regulation, pandering to the corporates and an appalling lack of concern for the working class.

      MSGRule - 2012-11-01 13:32

      Really...under apartheid all peopel had to work to get by. Your ANC government has created a country of expectations that can and never be met. grants for everything under the sun. half the population lying on their @sses doing nothing but waiting for the money to come in. Look at the language used above, and most of these people have been through the South African schooling system. We are in big trouble as a country.

      AMNewman - 2012-11-01 14:02

      Um. No. Under apartheid people needed permission to leave their area to go to work. That wasn't so freely given and the work they were given ensured that they remained poor. You just didn't see that, because you were as blind then as you are now. Working harder in a static economy reduces jobs which drives wages down. This makes people poorer. As, unlike your morality, it is unsustainable to let people starve, you give them something to sustain them (in the form of grants). A grant does not confirm someone's laziness. Unless you consider that all poor people are that way because they are lazy?

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-01 14:13

      Intellectual Plonker !

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-01 13:15

    Shut up De Klerk we dnt need your opinion, you of all people

      george.slade.161 - 2012-11-01 14:15

      When you get a Nobel peace prize you can comment : Till then Shutup.

      mduduzi.nkosi.733 - 2012-11-01 19:06

      Vivienne i m too black too strong you re too white and too lite don confuse bible with your witch heart you read bible for wrong purpose Ham has nothing to do with us now.wrong poor perception

  • mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-01 13:15

    Shut up De Klerk we dnt need your opinion, you of all people

      Hein Van Wyk - 2012-11-01 13:19

      you dont know your history hahahahaha educated my a$$

      mawandewonderman.mkuba - 2012-11-01 13:24

      What history are you talkin abt Van F***k? Whatever ur name is

      vivienne.lovett - 2012-11-01 15:52

      That comment van f*** shows why u r the colour u are because u r the Son of Ham read the Bible ..... Therefore ur mind is as dark as ur skin........see we can also be nasty like u except we are better at it because we are evolved.......

      mduduzi.nkosi.733 - 2012-11-01 18:57

      Vivienne too black too strong u r toowhite andtoo lite,don confuse bible and your witch heart u read bible for wrong purpose OR no purpose at all