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Court rules in favour of e-tolls

2012-12-13 10:35

Pretoria - The Gauteng e-tolling project will go ahead, Judge Louis Vorster ruled in the North Gauteng High Court on Thursday.

"In my view the application cannot succeed," Judge Louis Vorster ruled. 

He was handing down judgment in an application by the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) to have the controversial e-tolling project set aside. 

Vorster said the crux of Outa's application, that there had not been an efficient public participation process, was flawed. 

The organisation had accused the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) of deliberately keeping the public in the dark and being dishonest about the process of implementing tolls in Gauteng. 

During the application in November David Unterhalter SC, for Sanral, said this claim was reckless and that Outa had to look at all the facts of the case and affidavits submitted by Sanral, the transport department, and Treasury. 

Outa lawyer Mike Maritz argued e-tolling should be set aside because proper public consultation never took place. 

During the three days in court, Sanral, the transport department and Treasury argued the application should be dismissed. 

Unterhalter contended Outa changed its submissions in September after the Constitutional Court overturned an interim order putting the Gauteng e-tolling project on hold. 

The Constitutional Court found the North Gauteng High Court had not considered the separation of powers between the high court and the executive. 

On April 28, the high court granted the interdict to Outa, ruling that a full review needed to be carried out before e-tolling could be implemented. The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting tolls pending the review's outcome. 

Outa chairperson Wayne Duvenhage and his team sat in the first row of the public gallery on Thursday, as judgment was handed down.

Sanral CEO Nazir Alli and spokesperson Alex van Niekerk were also in court, as was the Democratic Alliance's Jack Bloom.  

Comments
  • osmaseko - 2012-12-13 10:38

    We are screwed

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-12-13 10:40

      No prizes for guessing who the least favourite judge in the land is today, eh?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-13 10:42

      You're not. Just vote out the ANC. Because they will take this monster everywhere - Cape Town, Durban, PE, everywhere.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-13 10:42

      Yes, indeed, convince your entire family and all your friends to vote against the ANC. Let's get rid of them democratically.

      vince.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-12-13 10:43

      I disagree that we are screwed I think we can stand up against this thing!

      tannie.marie - 2012-12-13 10:46

      I see big trouble on the horison. Very big.

      patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-12-13 10:47

      MISTAKE..BIG MISTAKE...HUGE MISTAKE!

      marc.rule - 2012-12-13 10:52

      The cANCer does not give a $H!T about the people. They just want to take everything from us and that’s that. FUC THEM.

      camp.j - 2012-12-13 10:53

      Far from screwed mate, the people will rise against this. We knew the courts would rule against it's people, that's how it works in South Africa, the law protects the criminals aka ANC. The people shall rise!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-12-13 10:56

      No big surprise with his ruling. Theyre all from the same clan!

      chrisfourielipman - 2012-12-13 10:56

      Not good. I will NOT buy a tag card, but here is an idea to prevent them from photographing your license plate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zev2vIHcjCc

      bruce.williams.1044186 - 2012-12-13 10:56

      I'm not going to pay!!

      phinda.buthelezi - 2012-12-13 11:03

      keep voting ANC baba, you will be sicked even more drier for Zuma's wives and kids. The ANC is doing this to us. No boby else except the ANC

      rbphiri - 2012-12-13 11:06

      All you STUPID ANC VOTERS HAVE YOURSELVES TO BLAME, NOW YOU WANNA START CRYING BECAUSE THIS E-TOLL WILL BE IMPLEMENTED. THERE SIGNS WERE THERE! POOR SERVICE DELIVERY, CORRUPTION AND OTHER POLITICAL ATROCITIES AND YET YOU STILL VOTE FOR THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY GAVE YOU A BUCKET OF CHICKEN AND A STUPID OVER SIZED T-SHIRT. THIS IS THE RUBBISH YOU VOTED FOR, WHEN ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE THE F* UP AND VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT ACTUALLY DELIVERS, LOOK BEYOND COLOUR, I DON'T CARE WHICH RACE IS IN POWER AS LONG AS THEY DELIVER ON THEIR MANDATE!

      patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-12-13 11:10

      Lets all chant together: DRUK JOU TOLL, IN JOU HOL!

      vambozha.mutemi.9 - 2012-12-13 11:13

      whether the judge says it or lawyer or minister or driver or a DJ, or even if ma wife says it let me repeat maself, i aint payin for this f***n s**t period. Damn man!

      marius.koen2 - 2012-12-13 11:13

      This is where the ANC will lose. It's like Hitler's decision to invade Russia.

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-12-13 11:13

      The anc would probably have ignored the court decision anyway if it went the other way, so now we all get to meet fellow citizens on the highway driving slowly? Do not purchase an e-tag

      marc.hugo.75 - 2012-12-13 11:14

      Guys! Don't worry. It does not matter what is said, decreed, ruled on - this was Ghandi's great gift to the world. A massive rejection of the law by passive resistance will result in its collapse. Just don't pay, don't display. Be polite. But just 'don't'.

      Toze.Pina - 2012-12-13 11:15

      This is not only double taxation, it's triple taxation at the very least. Government (national, provincial, municipal, etc) cars are being fitted with e-f****n tags, which means we are paying for our cars to use the highways and their cars too, which were paid with our money and are run with our money. Clever hey???

      alan.jerrold - 2012-12-13 11:16

      The simple facts, people, are: Scamral did minimal notification of this thing under the guise of 'preparing for the Soccer World Cup.' Then they went arrogantly ahead and did a TWENTY ONE BILLION RAND DEAL with an overseas company previously involved in the Armsgate scandal, where bribes have been proven. Scamral will NOT allow a transparent, independent audit of the process to be carried out or made public. Plus, the ANC put billions of their pension funds in, expecting a nice fat return. Now let us see if the public act like mice or men in the face of this yet-another ANC ripoff. Let the people speak loud and clear this time, and may this debacle help bring down the fraudulent, useless, crooked ANC government.

      victor.mendes1 - 2012-12-13 11:16

      We need a referendum in Gauteng over these e-tolls!

      clive.wannenburg - 2012-12-13 11:21

      No we are not they are only awakening a sleeping giant and maybe just what this country need to get all to stand together and fight a common cause while uniting a nation.

      gustav.preller.75 - 2012-12-13 11:31

      I'm still not going to pay...

      jay.hlubi.7 - 2012-12-13 11:39

      get yourself some vaseline!

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-12-13 11:40

      @alicia.myburgh.65: I did what you said but the result wasn’t as expected. A soon as Zuma hit the recycle bin my PC jumped up, ran to the lady with the pet cash box and stole it. The PC then upgraded itself. It came back with a leopard skin with reeds in the CD rom and corrupted my calculator. It ran into the office next door with a stiffy and had “consensual intercourse” with the HP printer (that now thinks it is a cannon printer) and came back to the office only to deny everything and then it crashed. I had to get a new computer, that one is now totally useless.

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-12-13 11:53

      And best comment of the thread goes to to Koos!!!!!!!!

      osmaseko - 2012-12-13 12:00

      Bwahahahhahah Koos you are the future lmao

      webstorm.isp.5 - 2012-12-13 12:19

      What I dont understand is the surprise from all you people? Did you really think driving slow, protesting, making a mess, taking them to court would ever of helped? Since when was the country about the people and not the leaders and their own gain? Since when did the ANC ever give a crap about the people of SA? Since when did the people believe that telling them something was wrong was ever going to help? From all the comments here I can see there was a hope that the people was going to make a difference, time to let go of that hope and wake up and see the country for what it is now, SCREWED! And worst of all, there is no amount of comments that will change this, no amount of thumbs up or down that will ever mean anything to them. We sit here saying "we wont pay" but everyone will eventually and just keep on accepting everything government throws at us to steal our money. Its time for a revolution...

      marc.ross.965 - 2012-12-13 12:21

      People used to put Vaseline on their number plates to create a film that would foil the cameras. It didn't work but at least you have the Vaseline when you are getting royally screwed.

      daleinn - 2012-12-13 12:36

      What happened to civil disobedience, what happened to the publics view through obtaining and presenting signed petitions in court (Outa) should have done their homework, not representing the pulic in vain, but through presenting the facts and numbers of exactly how many people dissaprove of e-tolling. This still can be done... as citizens we still have rights and a say about how the country is governed. Political parties should come to our aid... they should explore the legal process through obtaining in writing the publics view through petitions.I still beleive the that outa has a case, but maybe they have missed the boat.. ie. the client= society and publics views , not presented in court!

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-12-13 12:58

      We need to have a look at this judges pension fund....my guess is that some ware along the lines he has got a bit of money invested into this scam. You can't honestly say that it is a fair ruling, given the amount of resistance towards this project. 1 + 1 is definitely not 7. This has got a politic stench all over it, and this judge is clearly in on it, no justice has been served here.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-12-13 13:12

      NEVER GOING PAY INTO THIS CORRUPT SCHEME UNDER THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT!!!! FULL STOP!!! ANC AND SANRAL ARE SCUM!!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-13 13:24

      @Alicia....I love it...ahhhh I feel better already...

      pierre.pretorius.370 - 2012-12-13 15:01

      This is the expected outcome when a terrorist organization takes over the leadership of a country. ANC and their fat buddies will pocket.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-12-13 15:21

      E-toll can suck my toll-e

      Jack - 2012-12-13 17:56

      What a wonderful day. As Wayne said Democracy is dead. Long live Freedom. It took judge vorster (I kid you not, yes Vorster, small case intended due to little intellect and morals) to brutally take the law abiding whites of this country by the scruff and explain how things REALLY are. The cANCer society has been telling us for 18 years but we didn't believe. Now you know. Respect for the law was deeply ingrained. No more. Thanks vossie. In 18 pages you managed to put the law in its place.The only vote that counts now is how and where you spend your money and what force you can bring to bear and how. Young, virile men of today should find this exciting. By the way, there is no AA or BBBEE in the Jungle. Too bad. It is muscle and intellect all the way.

      thabang.bonang.7 - 2012-12-13 18:13

      Does anyone have a number for Izinyokas around Gauteng? Its time they give back to the community. Plus I understand the copper cables used on the gantries is of higher quality.

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-12-14 03:53

      You guys have to pay for etags? Seriously??? O_o

  • ianon.ym - 2012-12-13 10:38

    Arab Spring - here we come - people are not going to take this decision lying down - time to stand together.

      dienaakte.waarheid.7 - 2012-12-13 11:08

      exactly - FU anc---and FU sanral. I will NOT pay for this. I will literally shoot any a**hole that will try and collect money for this. Try me.

      gift.ndlovu.564 - 2012-12-13 11:18

      Pay your e-tolls...Its the wright thing to do..

      gift.ndlovu.564 - 2012-12-13 11:26

      I dont have to pay e-tolls because I travel by taxi and they are exzemt thank goodnis.

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-12-13 11:43

      Ag shame Gift.....at the moment no legislation has been passed in parliament, therefore the taxis are not exempt. And when your food, petrol, clothing and booze jumps by 20%, remember your post today ok?

      marcelle.joubertdurandt - 2012-12-13 11:45

      HaaaaHaaaaaa gift.ndlovu ......... You think it is not going to affect you because you ride in a taxi & they are exempt? Think again Brother ....... Watch the prices of EVERYTHING RISE because the transporters will be charging the retailers mega bucks to cover their toll fees and in return .... The retailers will be raising the price on ALL goods ... Try see if you still come out smiling at the the end of each month ..... :-(

      gift.ndlovu.564 - 2012-12-13 11:47

      If you don't pay then they gonna put up the petrol price and the whole country will pay for the e-tolls morons..

      denise.herbst.5 - 2012-12-13 11:52

      Gift - Taxi's might be exempt but did you know that they have to register and pay a fee first? Watch your taxi fare go up chop! Also, once the millions they getting from the private vehicles has successfully been distributed to the pockets they will start eying the taxis. Also, watch the cost of bread and milk and everything go up. But hey - lets just pay more and more because the cANCer says it is the right thing to do! You might think you dont have to pay but you do!

      junior.mahlo.9 - 2012-12-13 11:53

      Come 2014 billboards will read "ANC for the people by the People(with a picture of a D!ck-tator)" fck them they dnt give a fck about what we want...i will never vote for this sht.....

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-12-13 11:55

      @gift, the whole country is paying anyway

      jeeves.eddings - 2012-12-13 12:06

      Ja, HKK!

      beverly.young3 - 2012-12-13 12:29

      Follow the money....mark my words.......there is something sinister about this judgement.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-13 13:14

      @Ndlovu....eff off and go learn some spelling you idiot !!....

      loading123 - 2012-12-13 13:25

      @gift, so it's the "wright" thing for everyone else to do because you don't have to do it? Muppet. F**K off and die!

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-12-13 13:27

      GIFT - add another 50% to your grocery bill per month. How do you think food get to the shops, by TAXI???

      misstee.langhein - 2012-12-13 13:54

      Ive got news for you gift.ndlovu, e-toll sets in, EVERYTHING wil go up, petrol, because the trucks delivering petrol will have to pay e-toll, there for your taxi fee will go up because petrol went up, food will go up, because trucks deliverinng food to franchises will have to pay e-toll then charge more for deliveries, therefore the franchises will have to charge you more becasue they have to pay more for deliveries thanks to etoll EVERYTHING will go up, so if you think it wont affect you, ive got news for you man...

      makarapakaplan - 2012-12-13 15:19

      Gosh gift you are Dom!!. What about the food you buy from ur spaza shop that is delivered by trucks that use the highways, do you think the stuff wont get more expensive??? it doesrnt appear on the shelf magically at night! Anyway you will be paying higher taxi fares anyway. Lol

      nelly.hlengiwe.7 - 2012-12-13 19:34

      You people have been duped. Gift Ndlovu is obviously a fake profile made to portray black people in a stereotypical way. If I were to guess, I would say that the person behind this is a young white guy with a cross to burn. Here is some evidence: http://www.bet.com/shows/bet-college-tour/photos/2011/bct-11-southern.html#!103111-shows-black-college-tour-southern-university-KFC-Tent The profile pic comes from Fort Valley State University in the USA, but her profile says she is from Soweto? Also, the spelling mistakes are so inconsistent that they look very forced.

      kent.paulsen.79 - 2012-12-14 10:01

      @ gift.ndlovu.564, the petrol price will rise irrespective of whether we pay toll or not.

  • heinrich.spreeth - 2012-12-13 10:39

    not cool

  • Elene - 2012-12-13 10:39

    I still won't buy an e-tag! Go to hell corrupt bastards!

      camp.j - 2012-12-13 10:56

      Remember it's up to the people whether this monster works or not. If a handfull of people do not buy etags its our problem, if NOBODY buys etags it's government's problem. Screw what the courts say, NO etags!

      jacques.prince.92 - 2012-12-13 11:02

      Agreed! If the government sends someone to me to install e-tag, on their cost and allow me to deduct the tolls from Tax, I won't have a problem. I still want to know what we pay tax for, we don't get proper policing (only traffic cops and very fat ones at that) so you need a security company, no hospitalization (you need medical aid), no schooling (You pay a stack of school fees) and we have to pay tolls for the roads (which should be built with tax money). Where is the tax money going? New signs for name changes, new houses and cars for fat government officials perhaps?

      Johannes - 2012-12-14 10:31

      I think we should play this game the ANC way. Let them put the toll fares there, but we don't pay. Once they start to clamp down we can scream racism and discrimination against the citizens of the country!

  • vince.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-12-13 10:41

    Now we can all stand together and fight this thing, show them who really holds the power!!

      marc.rule - 2012-12-13 10:50

      The cANCer does not give a $H!T about the people. They just want to take everything from us and that’s that. FUC THEM.

  • thatmanvan - 2012-12-13 10:41

    Legalised Theft.....

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-13 13:06

      HIGHWAY ROBBERY ?????

  • siyabonga.khumalo.108 - 2012-12-13 10:41

    I AINT PAYING.....

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-14 07:39

      No if you only ain't voting too. Come on! Mobolise your family against the party that brought us e-toll. That's the right justice to serve on them so they will listen and not take it to other provinces.

  • harshad.vallabh - 2012-12-13 10:41

    Who bought out this judge?? F E TOLL

  • Elene - 2012-12-13 10:41

    I still won't buy an e-tag! Go to HELL corrupt BASTARDS!

  • frederick.kaczynski - 2012-12-13 10:41

    in the end it comes down to paying for substandard work - twice - whilst the custodians of our tax money shows gross negligence in its use. i will not pay. ever. i will rather take my business and move somewhere else. sorry gauteng. you just lost 200 jobs.

      marius.j.rensburg.3 - 2012-12-13 13:33

      Frederick - there are 8 more provinces that SCUMRAL will MILK DRY!! I don't think we can comprehend the BILLIONS of rands SCUMRAL will make out of this.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-12-13 10:41

    Yet another tax to fill the coffers which is fast bleeding dry.The judge should in the same breath tell the thieves to stop the CORRUPTION and THEFT of the fiscus.

  • harshad.vallabh - 2012-12-13 10:42

    A judge has been bought , more corruption What a f%#&ing great country

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-13 16:30

      Shame. Poor thing had to decide between his pension and his employer (the Judicial Commission or whatever it's called) - filled with 'independent' ANC loyalists on the one side, and the public, raped to the bone by the ANC, on the other side. Guess we now see how independent the courts really are.

  • JManAtheoi - 2012-12-13 10:42

    This sucks...but was there really ever any doubt that the greedy pr*cks would win?

  • collet.letsoalo - 2012-12-13 10:42

    Ijust can't imagine myself paying a penny to drive from Edenvale to Midrand. I would rather pay the admission of guilty in court.

  • otto.vorster - 2012-12-13 10:42

    Government influence perhaps?

      jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-12-13 17:29

      No look at the facts - the judge did what he was supposed to do - looked at the facts. The concept of toll roads was gazetted when the Nats ran the place. Its a legal framework that allows for the recovery of investment in roads on a pay by use model. The same practice exists all over the world. In London its called Congestion charges where you pay to enter the city. In Melbourne you have an e-tag and you get tolled just the same way - difference is Melbourne's roads are terrible compared to the awesome freeway system in Gauteng. Just get over it as somebody has to pay. If you dont pay via e-tag you will pay some other way. If you dont want good roads then we can always dig them up and go back to gravel.

      nelly.hlengiwe.7 - 2012-12-13 19:26

      Finally, a voice of reason. Jeannepierre is quite correct. Like it or not, the judge made the correct decision based on the current legal framework. While I completely understand why people are upset by this, especially considering the extremely high cost of living vs low standard of living here in South Africa, I think it is futile to tantrum like this. I also find it quite telling, that people are so much more outraged at having to pay tolls, than at the poverty stricken lives so many of our fellow countrymen have to daily endure.

      al.pal.106 - 2012-12-14 06:06

      @jeanpierre, seen you know so much about Melbourne and UK toll roads. Pray do tell what the budgets were when construction started and finished? Please tell us if they are also already paying a fuel levy tax for roads and tolling as well? Please also tell us the if they pay more for the collection of the tolls than for the highway upgrade? And lastly, seen you have all the facts please tell us the average Pound or Aus Dollar price per km of upgraded roads? Unless you have all of these facts at your figure tips and have all details, best you keep you remarks to yourself.

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 10:57

      @nelly.hlengiwe.7 Maybe the commentators here are outraged because this will cause the cost of basic foodstuffs etc to rise ... thereby hurting the poor? ... or doesn't that worry you?

      nelly.hlengiwe.7 - 2012-12-14 11:52

      Sure Noel. I think I basically said the same thing in my post above. I think my point was more along the lines of: We have so many systemic problems in South Africa, that it seems strange that we pick this one to get most angry about, especially considering that it is well within the constraints of the law, and is following trends found in many other countries.

  • tantiana.panda - 2012-12-13 10:43

    Bribery and corruption!!! It will never end until we get rid of cANCer !!!!

  • jay.vyas.984 - 2012-12-13 10:43

    People Power! Passive Resistance! Do Not Buy an e-Tag! EVER! REJECT the e-Tolls, REJECT their whole Process! It will FAIL without the Public Buy-In. Just use these Free-ways with Gantries and let them be swamped with paperwork & fines that will pile up! To Hell with e-Tolls and their whole RIDICULOUS costs, fees & attitude! I Rest My Case! Let the Games Begin!

  • rynhardt.otto - 2012-12-13 10:44

    Not in a million years will i pay etoll, only if the petrol price is R2/Liter and we all know that is not going to happen so SCREW YOU GOVERMENT!!!!!!

  • pieter.kunz - 2012-12-13 10:45

    Still not gonna register

      saintbruce.bruce - 2012-12-13 12:42

      I am with you Pieter That contract is sooo one sided as to be basically unfair. Once you sign, Tata your money.

  • werner.schyns.9 - 2012-12-13 10:45

    More road blocks, strikes and violence coupled with the mismanagement of the funds generated by these tolls!!

  • marc.rule - 2012-12-13 10:45

    SILL WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS $H!T . fine me I dont care.

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 11:11

      Marc ... the problem is this ... they will just add your fines and tolls to your licence ... when you go to renew your licence if you don't pay you will not get a licence ... and then, if you drive, they can arrest you for not having a licence ... they only have to do that to a few people (set an example) and they will have cowed the rest ... So I appreciate all the outrage ... but I have my doubts as to how far it will go ... I did see a lawyer post a comment somewhere where you offer to pay but first demand a registered copy of the invoice etc etc ... or something like that ... would someone please detail this idea as I think it might work ...

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 11:59

      Copied from ... bonnie.maritz - December 13, 2012 at 20:02 "A method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters."

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-12-13 10:46

    The high court is an anc court.............justice not served.

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-12-13 10:46

    Wondered how much they paid him to give this judgment.

      johan.vanderlinde.14 - 2012-12-13 12:16

      Now that is the question

  • isaac.peter.5811 - 2012-12-13 10:48

    this is not right we the people of SA stated to Government that we dont want this and they turned a deaf ear. Its time we start to change the Government to listen to the people who put them there. We say NO TO E TOLL, WE SAY NO TO E TOLL, We vote for the Government that will hear our plea, cause we have the power not people we put in Government

  • Tiyani - 2012-12-13 10:48

    Holly Crap!!! This is holy madness. Life just got expensive. Thank u very much ANC goverment. A better life for all, My foot!!!

  • greg.d.koker - 2012-12-13 10:48

    All you have to ask yourself is who pays the Judges? The goverment so why will they rule against them!!!!!!!

  • hugh.olphart - 2012-12-13 10:49

    So add the extra toll costs to the cost of food, and petrol and all commodities transported by road. Durban PE etc next. DONT BUY E-TAGS! the bastards can never process millions of invoices a month. Stuff them!!

  • annette.duvenhage.1 - 2012-12-13 10:49

    The people must just stand together and don't buy the etag....the judge that ruled did it because he is scared of losing his pension that was used to build the toll gates it the first place...instead of sending the people to jail that was gambling with pension funds in the first place.

  • harshad.vallabh - 2012-12-13 10:49

    burn the gantries

      marc.hugo.75 - 2012-12-13 11:59

      Good one Harshad, but they are not very flammable. But that doesn't mean something physical can't be done of course. Just that a Molotov Cocktail will be wasted. Keeping working on that though.

      flysouth - 2012-12-13 12:32

      Thermite is the answer - you can make it at home!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-13 12:53

      Hardware stores are having sales on heavy-duty angle grinders....I wonder why ?..

      antebellum.axiom - 2012-12-14 07:09

      All you need is someone with semi decent aim and a .22 No cameras = no charge

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-14 07:40

      They may not be flammable but they're not resistant to industrial grinders.

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 11:14

      I appreciate all the outrage ... but I dont think violence or vandalism will actually work ... I did see a lawyer post a comment somewhere where you offer to pay but first demand a registered copy of the invoice etc etc ... or something like that ... eventually drowning the process in legal paperwork ... that might work but we need some legal boffins to tell us in detail how to do it ..

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 12:00

      Copied from ... bonnie.maritz - December 13, 2012 at 20:02 "A method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters."

  • melissa.golombick - 2012-12-13 10:49

    Ha ha ha ha I still won't pay either way douchebag Louis Vorster

  • flippn.cool - 2012-12-13 10:49

    If nobody uses the tolled road it will go bankrupt. If nobody buys a tag and doesn't pay the fines they can't arrest everyone, and will go bankrupt. Either way, I think if people stand together they will lose.

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 11:16

      The problem is this ... they will just add your fines and tolls to your licence ... when you go to renew your licence if you don't pay you will not get a licence ... and then, if you drive, they can arrest you for not having a licence ... they only have to do that to a few people (set an example) and they will have cowed the rest ... So I appreciate all the outrage ... but I don't think it will work ... I did see a lawyer post a comment somewhere where you offer to pay but first demand a registered copy of the invoice etc etc ... or something like that ... eventually drowning the process in legal paperwork ... that might work but we need some legal boffins to tell us in detail how to do it ..

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 12:01

      Copied from ... bonnie.maritz - December 13, 2012 at 20:02 "A method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters."

  • shengeboy - 2012-12-13 10:50

    u aint getting a cent from me, i pay my licence disk. what more do you want? is it a crime to own a car in south africa?fine, im buying a taxi or a bus!!!!!!!!!!!!

      frederick.kaczynski - 2012-12-13 11:23

      DONT FORGET : The second-largest cost involved is the variety of charges the government applies to fuel in South Africa. These include: Petroleum products levy (0.150c per litre); Pump rounding (0.300c per litre); An incremental inland transport recovery levy (3.000c per litre); Customs duty collection (4.000c per litre); Demand side management levy (10.000c per litre); The Road Accident Fund charge (88.000c per litre); And Fuel Tax (197.500). REF : http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/9159/fuel-prices-where-does-the-money-go/

      frederick.kaczynski - 2012-12-13 11:24

      so basically we are already paying for our roads. where is that money going? to fund overpriced tenders and buy each MEC 2 x R1 000 000 cars?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-13 16:34

      Don't ask them what more THEY want. Ask yourself what more your fellow South Africans want. All your family and friends. The poor people in the townships whose food prices are going to skyrocket, because Pick and Pay, Checkers and Shoprite are going to increase their fees. Then the workers are going to strike because they want higher salaries because of all these increases. Then the prices will be increased once more. So ask yourself what can YOU and everybody YOU know do more. And that is: If you vote ANC, STOP DOING SO. If anybody you know votes ANC, convince them to stop. Come on. It's your future - it's your children's future, that's up for the gamble.

  • neiljvv - 2012-12-13 10:51

    E-Toll can suck my E-Tollie

      marc.ross.965 - 2012-12-13 13:02

      After the ANC kiss my E-Ass.

  • ashley.stroebel - 2012-12-13 10:51

    How much did sanral offer him???

  • conquergp33 - 2012-12-13 10:52

    They are screwed, im not paying a cent to these assho;es

  • Mfundisitshikaswidyoho Manyangatsi Khalanga - 2012-12-13 10:52

    ohk now i really dont understand. zuma is appealing with pvt sector and public sector that there should b no raise nor bonuses in the next 12 months but this is still going on. i am taxed 14% on everything i buy, 28% on my salary, a certain portion on fuel of which from the same fuel charge there are funds for roads. when people from SA go abroad or other countries the government will say they r like a sell out coz their skills are needed here but how can they stay while they are being milked.

      dalai.rama.9 - 2012-12-13 11:46

      That's 'good' for democracy, as the halfwits thinks!

      neiljvv - 2012-12-13 13:16

      ANC screwing everyone

  • jeanmari.morgan - 2012-12-13 10:53

    I wonder how much the government was paying this judge?

  • melanie.gardner.7528 - 2012-12-13 10:53

    reamed up the bum again! ai yai yai!

  • NecroButcher - 2012-12-13 10:53

    I still won't get an e tag or pay the bastards. They can arrest me - F**k them.

  • bevan.carpenter.1 - 2012-12-13 10:55

    don't target the gantries, find the brain of the setup, that is all that has to go down, there are only 2, 1 is at Rigel ave in PTA, the other on 1 of the JHB routes. take those out and its going to be very expensive exercise to recover

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-14 07:43

      These things are administered from a main data centre. We need to be more strategic - some kind of spray or something that will deflect UV light in a bad way or something and make number plates unreadable to the cameras. Or a device to lift up the plates. Or make them appear black. Or anything.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-12-14 10:50

      Good idea!! I reckon we get the "Anonymous" hacking community in on this one to hack in, and complete format SANRALS servers! DO US A FAVOUR!!!

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 12:01

      Copied from ... bonnie.maritz - December 13, 2012 at 20:02 "A method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters."

  • other.justin.1 - 2012-12-13 10:55

    This makes no difference in my life. Still not paying...

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-12-13 10:57

    I'm STILL NOT buying an e-tag. Its definitely time for an Arab Spring in this country.

  • MrDinwiddie - 2012-12-13 10:57

    Blame Motlante

  • greg.nel1 - 2012-12-13 10:57

    HKGK....Don't say you weren't warned government...just don't say you weren't warned...

  • jerry.govender.94 - 2012-12-13 10:58

    time to bend and take it up the arse

  • daniel.mogale.94 - 2012-12-13 10:58

    Vorster has risen from the dead.those gantries must go down.

  • Freakemon - 2012-12-13 10:58

    what will happen if someone doesn't pay?

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 11:22

      They (SANRAL) will just add your fines and tolls to your licence ... when you go to renew your licence if you don't pay you will not get a licence ... and then, if you drive, they can arrest you for not having a licence ... they only have to do that to a few people (set an example) and they will have cowed the rest ... I think to be more clever that that ...

      noeln.petzer - 2012-12-14 12:02

      Copied from ... bonnie.maritz - December 13, 2012 at 20:02 "A method of legally delaying e-toll payments is extremely simple, yet completely successful, and wholly legal. After the first 4-6 weeks of passing through toll gantries, send SANRAL a registered letter, expressing your concern, that for the last 4- 6 weeks you have not received a payment request from them. You must state that you are COMPLETELY willing to pay the toll fees, but this cannot be carried out without a detailed invoice. Unreliable postal services could be to blame, so please would they send you your invoice by registered mail, to ensure you receive it. (This is a fully legal AARTO requirement for any letter of demand.) Make a photocopy of your letter, get a COMMISSIONER OF OATHS to stamp the copy, and keep your registered mail receipt. Such a request could take months to be settled, and if you are fortunate, never at all due to the sheer volume of similar requests received. Should you finally receive a notification that a registered letter has arrived for you, take as long as possible to collect it. This method is based upon the fact that they do not use registered mail to send invoices. If one considers the past history of all traffic fines received, these all arrive by normal mail to prevent the high costs of registering letters."

  • doniquec - 2012-12-13 10:59

    Bloody disgrace! Not impressed. The cost of living is already too high and now we have to dig even deeper to pay for something that we did not even get to make public comment on.

  • kaybee.notshweleka - 2012-12-13 11:00

    Right, now that Outa didn't succeed I think we should let COSATU take over.... Its worth a try!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-14 07:44

      No, the power is right there, in your own hands. Vote the ANC out! They will take this monster everywhere for roads that tax payers have already paid for, and still pay for through PAYE tax and the fuel levy. They are raping the very poor who will pay for this through circular inflation on the things they need most.

  • tmukasa - 2012-12-13 11:01

    I kinda knew that SANRAL would get its way. There too many crooks who need to start receiving a return on their etoll investment. Apparently even if you do not by the tag, you will still be billed at a slightly higher rate, if you don't have an etag, the camera's will get you. Having an etag just means that you get a discount. Either way you will pay some how.

      marc.ross.965 - 2012-12-13 13:07

      I have a feeling those cameras wont last long. They look like a nice target.