Cosatu backs 50% farm stake for workers
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Cosatu backs 50% farm stake for workers

2014-04-09 05:30

Cape Town - The Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) in the Western Cape welcomed on Tuesday a report indicating that a proposal has been made for workers to get a 50% stake in farms.

According to Rapport, a proposal was made to expropriate half of every commercial farm in the country to hand it over to farm workers.

The Afrikaans Sunday newspaper reported that the proposal outlined that farm owners would not get the money from the stake for the workers, which will be paid for by the state.

Instead, the money would be paid into a trust aimed at investing and developing the farm for all shareholders of the farm.

Cosatu described the farm workers pay strike in the Western Cape as a "low level war", adding that the R105 minimum daily wage only brought a temporary reprieve.

It warned that underlying tensions remain unresolved.

"Continuing tensions in this sector has a real danger of spilling over into uncontrolled anger."

On Monday, the Freedom Front Plus (FF Plus) said the idea would not resolve the land reform problems in the country.

Spokesperson Pieter Mulder said the proposal threatened to destroy food security.

"The proposal of Minister Gugile Nkwinti and the department of rural development and land reform that commercial farmers should give half of their farms to their workers are unworkable and ill-considered," he said.

"When studying the proposals closely, it becomes clear that it originates from a minister and a department which has no understanding of the intricacies of modern commercial farming."

 - Fin24 with Sapa

Comments
  • rowan.torr.9 - 2014-04-09 05:53

    Congratulations to ZZ2 for their foresight!

      Thando Gqabaza - 2014-04-09 07:42

      Are we heading for Zimbabwe ?

      Marlene Black - 2014-04-09 09:17

      So, if the workers own half the farm, which half will they work, their own or the farmer's? Then if the farmer employs more workers does he have to give half of what's left? Stupid idea.

      Frank Van Kaapstad - 2014-04-09 09:23

      A farm is a business, plain and simple. Should we therefor expropriate 50% of every business in this country and give it to the employees?

      Rejeanne Nel - 2014-04-09 09:27

      So if I have worked at Pick and Pay for 10 years, do I also get 50% of the company?

      Joey Barton - 2014-04-09 10:18

      The farmer will let go of many workers and employ their families, so that the farm can remain with the family.

      Barend Wasserman - 2014-04-09 19:13

      Should this BS ever happen, the workers should be entitled to their pice of land only. ALL other equipment, be it spades or shovel and machinery should still remain the property of the farmer. If they want to use it, they can rent it and pay a deposit and should be liable for the fuel.

  • lacrimosewolf - 2014-04-09 06:00

    Of course they do! More free stuff, who wouldn't support it. Doesn't matter what the consequences are. It's free!

      Heinrich Etsebeth - 2014-04-09 07:06

      A farm worker that suddenly becomes co-owner should now not receive a daily rate for services rendered just like the original owner of the farm. Why you may ask? Well he is a business owner now and should fall under the same rules as his/her new partner. Which means that he/she will get a once off each 3 months depending on the yield of the crop and fluctuating market value of the crop also taking into account all of the reinvestment capital that needs to be budgeted for and all of the other things before profit is divided. So all in all they might get out less than what they bargained for.

      Arie Vd Plaats - 2014-04-09 08:34

      @Heinrich Etsebeth, I would bet thousand to one that this thought has never cropped up in the mind of the minister and his department. they get paid every month whether they actually work or not. Not so a farmer that only gets paid after the harvest is in and then sometimes only after 90 days after date of invoice. By the way who is going to do the daily commercial admin for the "50% farmers". Remember the farm owner has not been paid for 50% of his farm (with an associated loss of 50% of his invested capital)and would as a result not be anxious nor desirous to provide the admin services for free as well.

      Tye Malone - 2014-04-09 09:03

      I agree, with co-ownership comes co-responsibility which I doubt they even understand.

  • Themba Mokoena - 2014-04-09 06:04

    dats gud news......we are wrking hard on farms bt get peunut.......i'l vote ANC

      Brutus Roy - 2014-04-09 06:25

      You do dat. I work hard in a factory for 25 years, I also want 25% of factory.

      Brutus Roy - 2014-04-09 06:33

      Themba, on serious note, how will it work. Those with 25 years get 25%. Does each one get 25% of do 5 with 25 years get 5% each and the one with 10 years gets 10%. Each 25 year cannot get 25% then it adds up to 125% which is more than the farm itself as it is only 100%. Am I making sense, are you following? And then there is the one with 9 years and 10 months service. What happens when he gets to 10 years, as he has received nothing so far. Who gives him from what share? And the next one. Who does the work as these shareholders are now owners, each wanting a new bakkie. So more workers need to be employed and when they get to 10 years do they also get shares? You know what I think, you don't know what a farm looks like or how it is managed, troll.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2014-04-09 06:37

      If you give the farmers role so little value, why not start your own farms. Just like the mines, where are the new mines, suburbs, black business's. Any fool can be a worker, it takes more than hard work to start an enterprise.

      Justin Pretorius - 2014-04-09 08:49

      Eeesh...education has failed this country

      Freddie Miller - 2014-04-09 09:27

      So will the existing farmworkers be equally happy to dilute their personal shareholding when new employees are hired and are entitled to become shareholders. This vote buying idea works well upfront, but not so well when the ANC voters have to share their ill gotten gains. Of course the fact that no one will invest in SA agriculture any more is completely ignored by the ANC and its voters.

      Lynn Clive Wood - 2014-04-09 12:45

      All, Here is how it works. The employee get's no actual shareholding. The employee trust has the shareholding. The Employees are beneficeries of the trust. So any dividends paid from the farm get split, if the trust has a 50% share then the trust gets 50% of the dividend. Only employees can be beneficeries. When you resign/retire you cease to be a beneficiary

  • Teboho Motsoeneng - 2014-04-09 06:11

    is the state going to use my hard earned tax to buy someone shares while I don't own any shares.? I'd be an idiot to support such a proposal. farms are in good hands of whites, I want food on my table and blacks have proved are not good farmers I've seen farms allocated to many black farmers amount to nothing except a piece of unproductive land.

      Longile Bongani - 2014-04-09 06:29

      @Tehobo get rid of this black white attitude of yours. You look for a job where ever you can find it. Don't care if a Muslim, Chinaman or Indian employ you. If you will only work for a black person, you got issues brother. Get over them and move on. Life is too short

      Longile Bongani - 2014-04-09 06:30

      Sorry last comment meant for JOSHUA

      Thando Gqabaza - 2014-04-09 07:47

      At least some brothers are making sense here

      Celeste Terblanche - 2014-04-10 06:28

      At last! A darkie with some common sense!

  • Joshua Sematla - 2014-04-09 06:29

    I don't support this,. only 50%?. Take the whole damn farm. Its time for settlers to go now. As Africans we've always been farmers and cattle herders. We know how work our land

      Longile Bongani - 2014-04-09 06:34

      With that attitude you will be nothing more than a goat herder and a thief. Get a grip on your attitude, go buy yourself a colour tv and stop seeing everyrthing in only black and white.

      lacrimosewolf - 2014-04-09 06:49

      Of course you do. That's why sub-Saharam Africa gets US%8 billion in food aid every year. The number of hungry grew in Africa from 175 million to 239 million, with nearly 20 million added in the last few years. Nearly one in four are hungry. And in sub-Saharan Africa, the modest progress achieved in recent years up to 2007 was reversed, with hunger rising 2 percent per year since then.

      jako - 2014-04-09 07:18

      Ill give you some land even if its just for entertainment value

      Beverley Higgs - 2014-04-09 07:36

      Like the Zimbabweans?? We will have a massive brain drain if this happens , which not only includes educated people of all persuasion who see the down side to this, but to foreign investors.

      Kevin Moxham - 2014-04-09 08:29

      who makes you more african over some one else - you forefather were settlers as were ours....only thing is that you seem to have a bigger chip on your shoulder than most

      Justin Pretorius - 2014-04-09 08:50

      I doubt it. this is a modern world and you cannot merely sit on your butts and wait for the crops to grow on communal land. Commercial farming is commercial farming, subsistence farming will not assist anyone

      Bradley Liebenberg - 2014-04-09 09:48

      So you can swing a pick, that's awesome! Can you run a complex business because that's exactly what a farm is...

      Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat - 2014-04-09 10:40

      We'll go back when you go back, you racist chop. May your children and children's children reap the benefit of you folly, whilst being scared to death of the tokeloshe. Africa, Europe, America. It all makes no difference. The world would have been such a great place without people like you in it. There is no difference between people like you and Hitler.

      Jacques Potgieter - 2014-04-09 12:40

      Yes Joshua. You have been amazing farmers. Just look at all your technology that you have used and created? The tractor and harvester for example. Tell me my man, how are you going to plant 1000ha and then harvest it by hand? Or will you want the "settlers" to leave their inventions behind for you to use? Another thing regarding your farming "heritage". You only ever farm for yourselves. How many black commercial farmers were there in 1800? The thing is you only want and want and want. For you to work for something is just a crazy idea I guess.

      Celeste Terblanche - 2014-04-10 06:31

      yeah, subsistence farming. Most productive commercial farms go to waste when handed to blacks. Just look at the land reform programme!

      Justin Pretorius - 2014-05-14 10:34

      Most of you live in cities now so how will this work? It will lead to food insecurity and costly imports as we have a pathetic currency

  • Timothy Crowley - 2014-04-09 06:33

    So I buy a whole farm with my own money then I have to give half of it away for free, and I also have to help those I gave it to for free with the skills to make the farm productive? ANC and Cosatu think this is fair?

      Beverley Higgs - 2014-04-09 07:37

      Not only that, you have to cover 100 percent of all the running costs

      Frikkie Strauss - 2014-04-09 09:25

      Hendrik, other than farms given to emerging farmers for FREE, show me any productive commercial farm that was acquired for free!!

      Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat - 2014-04-09 10:42

      When were they acquired for free?

  • DarrenCooper68 - 2014-04-09 06:34

    Great, and when times are tough and the farm needs finance, I am sure they will contribute 50% of the collateral! the too deserve the profit because the too have the skills to manage a farm.

      Kevin Marsh - 2014-04-09 07:01

      How much will they pay for the use of the farmers tractor for heir half of the farm and do they work the whole farm . Haha , those farmers will soon be firing workers left ,right and centre .

  • Longile Bongani - 2014-04-09 06:46

    Dear Minister of Land Reform May I suggest you have the correct idea regarding shareholding. However this should be implemented by willing farmers and willing workers on a share percentage agreed by both. On this basis you will get the all important willing support for the black farmers from the white farmers. But please pay the farmer for his share in the farm you are buying. If you take something without paying for it, you will be forcing this new business partnership to start with very bad blood and the white farmers will justifiably feel unwilling to hold the hands of their new partners

      Kevin Marsh - 2014-04-09 07:06

      No , if the black farmer wants a farm he can visit his local estate agent and take a cheque book . ( not a stolen one ) and choose from many listed farms . No need to stop working farms with a scumbag theft policy .

  • Kevin Marsh - 2014-04-09 06:55

    Eish - bunch of thieves . When will the ANC teach people to work and save . Oh forgot they teach people, everything is for nothing .

  • Longile Bongani - 2014-04-09 07:04

    Please read the article on the praag website. Government will not even pay half, as they claim workers were underpaid previously??

  • steve.adams.524 - 2014-04-09 07:07

    Was this not meant to published on 1st April?!

  • Altus Kirsten - 2014-04-09 07:12

    Hot air. Election talk.

      Alex Richards - 2014-04-09 11:13

      Its like the french lady, Marie Antoinette, "If they dont have bread, eat cake!". Here: "If they don't have a house, give them a farm!"

  • Wade Latham - 2014-04-09 07:15

    I have just read this proposal. Like Longile, I suspect they are proposing even less than 50% payment (maybe 25) into a fund which they, the government will have a controlling stake in. This in effect means the farmer will really get zero (even if he was prepared to reinvest it in his farm. This really could be classed as theft. We need to get this more into the media. The DA need to comment now!

  • Themba Mathinjwa - 2014-04-09 07:20

    Forcing farmer owners to give away 50% of their "rightfully" owned farm isn't the solution but forcing them to increase the salaries of the workers is because honestly R2310 a month is pathetic. Everyone here talking about how unfair this will be for the farmers should know that working on the land is extremely hard labour, so where is the fairness for the workers? Farm workers have been belittled for many years, so either pay the workers decent salaries or your stubborn mentally will be encouraging Cosatu to make this happen. Stop crying wolf and pay people money you would accept yourself if you were in the same position. (Race aside)

      Joshua Sematla - 2014-04-09 07:50

      What constitute a 'rightful' owner of the farm? Did they pay for those farms when they disposed the people off land during the land act?. Why should we pay for something they never paid for?

      Vérité Un - 2014-04-09 08:17

      Joshua, not every farm owned by whites had been taken from blacks un-lawfully, just remember that.

      Leon de Villiers - 2014-04-09 10:02

      Themba I get what you are saying. But remember a lot of workers get accomodation, water , transport, schooling etc for free. I would love to walk out with that salary after all expenses are paid.

      Jacques Potgieter - 2014-04-09 12:49

      Workers get housing, water and electricity. So if they get paid more, maybe they should pay the farmer rent? Sure also pay them enough to bump them into the next tax bracket and have that money taken form them too. Then you be the one to explain that what they are getting is less than they should because they are paying government. Also, please keep in mind that you get paid for your skills, knowledge and expertise. It really doesn't take much intellect to be a farm labourer. Just do as you are told and try not to break stuff along the way.

      Justin Pretorius - 2014-05-14 10:37

      Are you willing to pay a lot more for your food at it stands?

  • Gert Potgieter - 2014-04-09 07:24

    Looks like the gov and cosatu got some good pre-election tips from old Robert in Zim.

  • Beverley Higgs - 2014-04-09 07:32

    Does this mean that the workers will cover half the running costs of the farm, and half the bonds?

  • Jeff Jones - 2014-04-09 07:36

    fire all your workers, register your family members as permanent employees an only employ temporary workers, replacing them every 3 months. There was nothing here in 1652, therefore I will share nothing.

  • Jaco de Clerck - 2014-04-09 07:48

    Bwahahahahahahahaha!! Best joke ever !!!

  • Nicholas.van.Renen - 2014-04-09 07:56

    What about big business cash flow? A big business needs big capital to keep it turning over. Where is that going to come from? Didn't think about that one did you?

  • mathew.krog - 2014-04-09 07:57

    @temba you are right the farm workers does get payed peanuts!!! And it's not right to allow it to happen. But are you willing to pay the

      mathew.krog - 2014-04-09 08:00

      Increase on food costs with that or will the majority again march and strike

  • Brad Smith - 2014-04-09 07:58

    Hope the government realises that their policies are on the brink of attracting economic sanctions. This idea is farm invasion in disguise.

  • john.benet.14 - 2014-04-09 08:33

    The farmers took the farms from the locals, who took it from the locals before them. This is a wealth tax and where does it end.

      Michael Wilson - 2014-04-09 18:55

      To be more precise, the current farmers didn't take farms from locals. Firstly, the vast majority bought them in good faith and secondly, a barren piece of land is not a farm.

  • Oistar Tutu - 2014-04-09 08:34

    Today I have woken up and been forced to review my outlook. The K word is back ... fully entrenched because I have just seen the logic of true jack africa

  • Justin Pretorius - 2014-04-09 08:48

    And they should also share ALL losses! They will soon run to the regime for more money when crops fail

  • Tinus de Jager - 2014-04-09 08:56

    Never going to happen,just another political lie to get you to vote for the anc. After the elections back to the fields you go ha ha ha ha ha.

  • Johan Connoway - 2014-04-09 09:20

    SA will revert back to mud huts and bush like Zim, and we will all go hungry, including the workers.

  • Alex Richards - 2014-04-09 09:22

    commercial farmers should hit back. do not plant mielies for 2 seasons!

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-04-09 18:32

      No bra - they'll hit back, in a more violent way

  • Johan Grobler - 2014-04-09 09:35

    This story has already cost the economy thousands of jobs. ANC (including Cosatu)and EFF thrive on and create racial hatred by spreading lies. They do this to attract support. They are following in the footsteps of Mugabe who has perfected this. I have a farm that I bought 3 years ago with money I earned after 1994. I got nothing for free and stole nothing. Why should I share this. Not one of my neighbours inherited a farm. They all bought their farms with money earned from jobs or business. Why should they share. This thinking and approach from government causes disinvestment. You cannot invest money in South Africa if you are white. The government will steal it.

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-04-09 18:31

      I can tell you, land is emotional. Guns could come out with this bill

  • Frans-Petrus Zeelie - 2014-04-09 09:42

    After this can we also get 50% of the companies we work for?

      Alex Richards - 2014-04-09 09:46

      I want 50% of SARS

  • Frans-Petrus Zeelie - 2014-04-09 09:48

    What I am also noticing is that mainly the farmers (generally European-descent) look at the issue out of a 'business, economic, food security, property rights' view point, while mainly the workers (generally Africans) look at the issue out of a 'get back what was taken from us (regardless of where it is true or not) and anti-colonialism and apartheid racial' view point... It immediately makes me question the racial ethics of the matter...

  • Alex Richards - 2014-04-09 10:03

    A farm will go well with the fridges/freezers/stoves/household appliances that fell from heaven in 1994. Now they could stock the freezers.

  • BLUESILVER2012 - 2014-04-09 10:09

    Election time, the ANC makes wild statements......this is nothing short of Zim land grab and it will destroy out food security and the Minister who put this forward should be FIRED!

  • Ioannis Condogiannis - 2014-04-09 10:11

    Burn them all down now. So we can start getting used to going hungry. Why wait??

  • Geoff Liddiard - 2014-04-09 10:23

    Of course you would - it is the african way you want everything for nothing.

  • Chris Faurie - 2014-04-09 11:21

    This will lead to more job losses. Farmers will cut the labour, mechanise and more squatter camps will arise.

  • Jean du Toit - 2014-04-09 11:23

    Does the ANC have a policy in place to hired uneducated and below average intelligence staff only? Just so its easier to keep them in their place? So when we run out of food, we can use the trust moneys to import our food, at probably R30 to the dollar by then.

  • Jason Marriott - 2014-04-09 11:24

    That would mean the farm workers would have to contribute 50% of the costs.

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2014-04-09 11:25

    Tony Ehrenreich will be delighted.

  • Andrew Blaine - 2014-04-09 11:35

    To be a successful farmer requires a specific set of skills and an understanding wider than that given to most people. The vast majority of farm workers have neither the skills set nor the understanding required to successfully farm. The notion that a farmer, essentially an independent self-motivating resourcefull individual, should lose 50% of their business is so naive as to be laughable. Another election ploy that has absolutely no chance of ever seeing the light of reality? This initiative would spell the end of South African agriculture and the country's dependence on food aid would make Zimbabwe's shrivel into insignificance.Playing with this essential part of our future is nothing less than irredsponsible lunacy

  • Chris McComb - 2014-04-09 11:42

    Would include state held farms and farms owned by ministers and anc members as well? Or is this once again a race issue.

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-04-09 18:30

      of course it's a race issue and more to the point it is directed to the Afrikaners as usual. But this is stretching the Afrikaners patience. There will be retaliation

  • psbuthelezi - 2014-04-09 11:44

    I support fully

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-04-09 18:29

      just try and you'll see

  • Kenny Kwenamore - 2014-04-09 14:26

    Now Zimbabwe's borders extend beyond Beit Bridge

  • Blameer Boesman - 2014-04-09 16:09

    Generally speaking, B a ntus are just plain stupid. Sorry to the (very few) exceptions.

  • Rudi Mzu - 2014-04-09 19:16

    Dumb and Dumbest ...

  • Ian Trenor - 2014-06-23 02:48

    People lets be honest . We knew this was coming. Was inevitable. This is how Africa rolls! Zim no 2.

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