Call for land grabs with compensation

2012-06-28 13:44

Johannesburg - Agriculture Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson on Thursday advocated the expropriation of white farmers, arguing that the ANC's land reform had failed 18 years on from the end of apartheid.

The ANC wants to use its right to seize land, with compensation, ending a policy of only buying land from willing sellers it argues has been costly and too slow at correcting one of apartheid's worst ills.

"The content for us on land reform is absolutely clear: the willing buyer-willing seller principle of land reform must go," Joemat-Pettersson told SAFM radio.

The sensitive land issue is one of the key topics at the ANC's policy conference, which will put forward positions to a national year-end meeting.

"The dramatic watershed decision will be that expropriation within the constitution must happen, we cannot continue with willing-buyer willing-seller," said Joemat-Pettersson on the sidelines on the third day of the meeting.

Unlike neighbouring Zimbabwe where farm seizures sent the economy into a tailspin, South Africa has so far ruled out land grabs and stuck to buying up farms but criticised pricing which it says favours the seller.

The constitution, introduced after the fall of white minority rule, gives the state the right to expropriate if a compensation is paid.

"There's no need for us to change the constitution," said Joemat-Pettersson.

The ANC's land reform discussion document lists expropriation in line with the constitution as an option, and also proposes a land valuer that would look at compensation.

Joemat-Pettersson said the same call was made five years ago at the party's national conference.

Land is a highly emotive subject in a country where ownership remains skewed in starkly visible patterns inherited from apartheid, when the majority black population was denied land in former whites-only areas.

The government has admitted that its lagging post-apartheid land reforms have also largely failed, with only 10% of farm handovers productive, forcing a bailout programme for collapsing farms handed to black recipients that teams them with mentors or corporate partners.

Lack of support to new farmers is highlighted by the ANC in its discussion document on land as one of the key problems behind the struggling farms.


  • richard.hipkin - 2012-06-28 13:55

    "South Africa has so far ruled out land grabs and stuck to buying up farms but criticised pricing which it says favours the seller." Er, duh, these farmers have invested their lives into these farms.. Would you sell your house for less then what it is worth??

      Bulls - 2012-06-28 14:28

      Point blank, if I hijack your car and pimp it with 24 inch wheels, change the colour etc. AND I am court for using a stolen car, do I have a say in how much I have spent and invested in your car? don't be emotional in answering....

      Bulls - 2012-06-28 14:30

      Correction court to caught

      kayley.segal - 2012-06-28 14:31

      Easy solution: Use The Namibian approach. Farmer wants to sell, gets an offer from someone and signs a binding contract. The contract is submitted to the Government. They have "right of first refusal"(for 30 days). The Government can then buy the farm by matching the contract price. If they don't want to match the offer then they issue a "certificate of no interest". Then the original sale can go through. The original owner gets his "market price". Win/Win. There are plenty of farms for sale if they really wanted a just solution. However, "the corruption and incompetence of the department of land reform" means that all the money for such deals has been stolen or misappropriated. Besides, why pay for something that you can steal later?

      harrolld.lloyd - 2012-06-28 14:38

      So the ANC want to buy the land. Ok fair enough. What will happen to that land when the ANC isn't ruling party anymore? Will they give it to the next Ruling party or will they claim it's their land... Hold on... Their land aren't they using State-funds to buy these areas??? I wonder? Sound more dodgy than anything else...

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-06-28 14:51

      @Kaley: Yes, I agree, this is the right approach, fair deal. Land grab with compensation is nothing other than authoritarian; the owner will not get the market price, but probably far less.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-06-28 14:52

      @Bulls-Balls - so you are propogating that land should be expropriated to be given back to the Khoi-san . . . yes . . no ?????

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-06-28 15:13

      @Bulls-Balls(what a ridiculous name). So you are saying that all farms stole the land?? Ummmm no, most of the farms bought the land and it cost the a lot of money. They own the title deeds, the did not steal the land and then make title deeds later on, you can't punish someone for someone elses crime. So your analogy is very poor.

      eugene.meyer1980 - 2012-06-28 15:29

      I really wish all whites could have just pack up and leave. Leave the country and give all the land to government so that they can do with it what ever they want. Give a farm to everyone. Let the ANC and ANCYL have their wish and get rid of all whites in this country in one go. However, we all know how that will end. ANC and friends will all of a sudden sit with their cupped hands looking at Europe, US and Australia. ANC wants to give farms to people, not farmers.

      trevor.myburgh.12 - 2012-06-28 15:34

      If you give the land back to the original owners, then there wont be any land grabs. Because the ANC wont be interested. VIVA KHOISAN, BUSHMAN VIVA................................ If they are still around, at least we will have food security

      Gieljam - 2012-06-28 17:51

      They should start with previous dis advantaged persons who has already land lying idle while still milking the state coffers and see how they react before they move on. Here are a few areas ;all former homelands ie The Kwa Zulu empire , Barralong , Vendas , Pondos ,Ciskey , Transkei , Bobutswana ,South sotho.....and so forth ,

      eric.klopper - 2012-06-29 08:19

      @Bulls-Balls The land that belonged to the Hottentot, Khoi and San people ended up through whichever means in the hands of farmers is now being claimed back by either the Zulu, Xhosa, Pedi, Sotho etc. etc. people. So what your saying is that a car that belonged to Mr. Khoi ended up in the hands of Mr. Boer, who promptly pimped the ride, and now Mr. ANC is claiming the car as theirs, right? I dont understand the fairness of the process you mention. So lets be fair everybody move back where they came from, whites to Europe, Asians to Asian, Indians to India, Blacks to Central Africa etc. etc. Or is that not what you had in mind. So, Bull-Balls, how about this. AND LETS BE VERY CLEAR ON THIS POINT. WHY DONT YOU GET THE BALL ROLLING BY GIVING YOUR HOUSE BACK TO EITHER THE Khoi or San or THE ANC. Because by your argument, youre living in a stolen house. Practice what you preach.

      Rob - 2012-06-29 10:43

      Eric, you are missing the actual facts of the matter. When the whites arrived there was no such concept as ownership of land as it exists today. The Hottentots/Khoi were nomads who continually moved from one grazing area to another. They did not say since we had stayed in that area for short time, we now own it, but we are moving on elsewhere? The Bantu in the east and north of what became South Africa (such a country did not exist when whites arrived) occupied and lived in certain areas which they took from the Khoi and San (evidence exists they did live there before the Bantu moved from central Africa and chased them out). There was no concept of ownership. So how can something that is not owned be stolen. Stupid thinking, not so! So is the popular claim that the land in South Africa was stolen. There wasn't a country on the southern tip of Africa when van Riebeeck arrived. Do these bigmouths want to make SA like it was before he arrived (does seem like it)? The crux of the matter is the anc and their supporters should stop making trouble by blaming farmers for their incompetence and inability to run a country properly and remove corruption, greed and laziness and the process of sharing land will go much smoother. These bigmouth idiots think that by grabbing land all problems will be solved. They are in for a big surprise, just ask the majority of receivers of redistributed land what has it has given them. Nothing, but ruins and fields growing with weeds!

      balan.morgen - 2012-06-29 12:42

      @Bulls-Balls, You are an absolute Idiot. Please don't compare fixed assets with moving assets.

      fanie.dutoit2 - 2012-06-29 12:43

      Bulls you still mis the point and choose to ignore the fact that todays farmers bought their farms and did not steal it. You should not be emmotional in trying to suggest that these farms were stolen by these farmers. You nor I can change the history and two wrongs never made any thing right.

      oom.koos.7 - 2012-08-13 15:57

      Nothing that the government says or does makes any sense. There is no need for it to make sense of anything no matter how stupid, unfair or illogical it seems. They don’t care about the consequences, they don’t think like logical, intelligent people do. This is just about total power. They shout it out all the time, from Zuma down, "ALL POWER" "AMANDLA" and all that other revolutionary stuff that floats their primitive, pathetic boat. So taking from white Peter to give to black Paul, makes them look good and ensures them ,”ALL POWER” for a bit longer. In the mean time, they just blame all the failures on the DA, the colonialists, apartheid and the boers,(whites) So short-sighted, so primitive, so spiteful....

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-06-28 13:56

    Giving land to people will not set them free, nor provide economic benefits.. This is a very dangerous impression that the ANC are giving to desperate people. I foresee this blowing up in their faces, horribly.

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-06-28 15:02

      Very true, ANC is only doing this now to try and gain votes from people who actually believe that they will benefit. The truth is that even with the land grabs only a small minority of blacks will ever get any farms. Ask the Zimbabweans how many of them have received land! And if they do get some land what do they do if they don't have capital and skills required to farm? This is just cheap politics to gain votes and to stop the DA from gaining more black support through increasing tension between black and white. Just another sign that the ANC has failed their people so badly that they have to play dirty to keep votes.

      Koos - 2012-06-29 02:25

      Go and read Go and read the LandbouWeekblad.See the number of farms trading hands to government but they are not transfered to people??????

      Koos - 2012-06-29 02:42

  • philip.vde - 2012-06-28 14:09

    and the people getting this land has shown that they cannot utilize this land , surely it's better for the economy to let the person farm that can farm. Food does not come from the supermarket , the supermarket has to get it from somewhere. The government has to think what's best for the country , not one particular group because then it won't be any different from segregation

      eric.klopper - 2012-06-29 08:46

      @Lehlohonolo, so will you be giving your house back to the SAN or Khoi please us know?

  • customdesign - 2012-06-28 14:15

    Land that is not earned is land wasted. It is when you work hard for something that you appreciate it, not when it is given to you on a silver platter. The ANC is going to plunge this country in poverty.

      justin.pretorius - 2012-06-28 20:03

      More like war, that is what they wanted from the beginning

  • wvmerwe - 2012-06-28 14:15

    What is next all the white built businesses? Really since when do you get something for doing nothing? I don't think the ANC has a clue how to run a country.

  • martin.britchford.5 - 2012-06-28 14:18

    buy popcorn now, while we still produce corn

  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-06-28 14:18

    Pointless putting people on the land and not supporting them to be successful farmers - doesn't matter what was paid or not. First start with the tribal lands and give people there title to their holdings, so that they cannot be exploited by the chiefs any longer.

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-28 14:19

    "The government has admitted that its lagging post-apartheid land reforms have also largely failed, with only 10% of farm handovers productive, forcing a bailout programme for collapsing farms handed to black recipients that teams them with mentors or corporate partners." "Lack of support to new farmers is highlighted by the ANC in its discussion document on land as one of the key problems behind the struggling farms." HELLLLLOOOOO - 1) IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!! 2) WHY 'WHITE' FARMS? THIS IS A MINUTE FRACTION OF LAND IN SA. Sick racist government!!!!

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-06-28 14:20

    I really don't understand this whole farming issue. The ANC is obviously looking at the number of small farms owned by white people and not the commercial farms. Can we have numbers? Numbers are VERY important to the ANC. It would do no good buying a white farm as the farmer would probably buy some ground and start from scratch. Hence the number of white farmers would remain the same. I think what they would like is for experienced farmers NOT to farm and then the NUMBERS will work. Food security will be destroyed but the numbers would work. Problems is that farmers are resourceful people and would still make it in another 'field' something like agricultural supplies. And so the moving target continues. Wherever you are, we want it. SAD very sad.

      Kenna - 2012-06-28 15:17

      This would be quite tricky. I read that there is no race-based database anywhere that shows what race owns what. It has not happened since 1994, and our constitution says we can't do it. So, no deeds or registry office has black, white, chinese, purple etc. Would love to see how they justify their numbers.

  • Alank1949 - 2012-06-28 14:22

    First this problem should be addressed before step two even discussed. Why is this happening? The government has admitted that its lagging post-apartheid land reforms have also largely failed, with only 10% of farm handovers productive, forcing a bailout programme for collapsing farms handed to black recipients that teams them with mentors or corporate partners.

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-06-28 14:23

    you can't eat land, as the 10% success rate shows, so what is the plan the Joemat, because clearly 90% of black farmers are failing, its a bit like a dog chasing a car, it has no idea what to do with it once it catches it.

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-06-28 14:57

      well said. it's been proven in zim. it's already been proven in sa. it's just part of their genocide plan against the whites.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-06-28 15:06

      Nigel. Lets be honest if you gave the land to white non-farmers the rate of failure would probably be the same. Farming is in the blood, you either know or you don't The farmers kids could teach an adult or two.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-06-28 15:15

      Nigel just another comment. I have a house (rented) on a farm in the Cape which I maintain and visit occasionally. It's a huge piece of ground about 200k outside of CT. In Summer the farmer is working in the fields before the Sun is up. At night we see the tractors lights (it's the farmer not some laborer) still working the fields. The guy doesn't have money to educate his kids. Fuel, fertilizer,seed, chemicals have gone through the roof. The markets totally rip the guy off. Would I want that job? He owns a farm, is a hell of a intelligent and nice guy and is no more than a white slave.

  • riaan.j.vanrensburg.3 - 2012-06-28 14:28

    Why dont we just give a farm to Julius, and the ANCYL and then make it a reality TV show on SABC ETC and MNET? Let them show us what they actually WANT with a farm. Owning a farm is hard work and expensive, and not all that profitable. But simply taking property without compensation WILL KILL the economy. At least then the ANC will only be able to BLAME THEM SELVES.

      Kenna - 2012-06-28 15:18

      Brilliant! That would be a fabulous thing to watch.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-28 14:29

    ANC must start with farms that were sold for a song just before the collapse of apartheid. There are large tracks of land especially in Stellenbosch that were sold at laughable amounts as well as 99 year leases that costs the farmers nothing. This was done in bad faith and must be reversed asap before any negotiations begin. Land ownership must be a true representation of our demographics if white people are 10% of the population they must own 10% of productive land and nothing more. I find it funny that some individuals expect blacks to support the status qou, its like saying viva to being poor! There is nothing valuable as ownership, all rights enshrined in the constitution don’t mean much without ownership. Land reform is long overdue I hope Pettersson will sort it out!

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-06-28 14:39

      you get poor whites as well Lerato, you do know that right? don't oh funny that.

      johnny.coetzee.3 - 2012-06-28 14:53

      Lerato - why take productive farms from whites that is the feeding hand of this country where the posibility also exists that this farm will be run to the ground ? (proven) Why not start production on the 75% of SA land being owned by the anc, or will this be too much work to start from scratch ?

      norman.depluhm - 2012-06-28 14:55

      Lerato, in other parts of the world where there is no colour divide, there is still a divide in culture, education and class. In those places, those with whatever means or advantage they had, built more. Those who didn't, still don't and mostly don't bother trying. Those who do want it badly enough, educate themselves and work very very hard to achieve it. That is a world thing, not an africa thing or a colour thing. It is VERY DIFFICULT to become hugely successful at anything to the point of near monopoly. Point is, the world would be a truly pathetic and backward place if everything was boiled down and divided up to the average of the whole sample. Take Cuba, your 'cadres' look up to el Che and like to think he represents some sort of triumph for freedom, but he wasn't fighting a racial battle, he simply used populist rhetoric to stir up the ignorant masses of his country into a sweeping cultural change that washed away any success (or chance to achieve it) that may have existed at the time. Cuba is still mired in poverty, civil strife, drugs etc and the only ones happy, healthy, comfy and fat are the government deployees. If those that succeed are always pulled back into the grime buckets (and this is not racial) based on jealousy and anger of those who don't have it and want it for free, then we're pretty screwed.

      Seperate - 2012-06-28 15:06

      @bradley.kecskes: i have never seen a White SAfrican working as a street sweeper or garbage collector. what's your definition of poor?

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-06-28 15:08

      Get your head out of the sand Lerato. It is productive farming that feeds the nation. How many times do you need to be told. Yes, land ownership is important to people. 10% of productive land isn't going to feed the nation. The Agriculture minister appears to have his head in the same sandpit as yours. Most farms given to the emerging farmers have failed as productive, profitable businesses. The government should be working together with the experienced farmers to educate their black farmers and be forever grateful that the experienced farmers are still here. Just owning the farms is not going to make them productive without the skills to make it work. Very skewered thinking Mr Minister. Education takes time. There is no quick-fix, unless you want astronomical food prices through having to import what is currently been grown by the existing productive farms.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-28 15:11

      @ norman.depluhm we are talking about the South African context here, what caused all the discrepancies we have it was apartheid hence we need to reverse the racial inequalities before we can advance. So are you suggesting that if you didn’t benefit from apartheid that’s your fault let’s move on.  Go to the deeds office and see how some farms were transferred from the government to certain individuals in 1993 just before apartheid collapsed. This was daylight robbery and must be corrected; the government must repossess such farms that were acquired as such. Your assumption that everything blacks touch turns into rust doesn’t surprise me, that’s what apartheid planted in people’s mind, both blacks and whites. Years back we were told that a black man can run a successful company, now we have blacks running mines, banks, hospitals even rocket science so what’s so important about farms. I know some white guys without Grade 3 education who are running such farms, don’t make it sound as if its rocket science. Actually that arrogant tone that blacks are going to rundown farms it’s an insult and will be your downfall, you will choke on your own words.

      johnny.coetzee.3 - 2012-06-28 15:13

      @Seperate - whites do not even get those kind of jobs because of BEE and AA and all other acronyms you can think of.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-06-28 15:19

      And when whites make up 100th of 1 percent.

      Kenna - 2012-06-28 15:21

      Lerato - how old are you?

      carl.v.rooyen - 2012-06-28 16:32

      @ Lerato- read the article , even the minister says that 90% of the farms handed over fail and then have to be bailed out. It takes EXPERIENCE to run a farm and has very little to do with intelligence. I know plenty of people of all colours successfully running businesses and I know and respect a lot of brilliant black businessmen. I don't even know why we are having this discussion around race, its a waste of energy,we should be talking about increasing productivity and education. You can transfer an asset but you cannot transfer the capacity to create wealth- that comes from within- look at happened with Arora gold mines. So you transfer productive land to the urban poor, move them out- then what, how does this redress the wrongs of the past? This just gives them a bigger piece of land to be poor on and makes the country as a whole poorer. After 18 years of following leftest agendas and trying to appease the unions in order to gain votes, the ANC has achieved very little by ignoring free market principles. Why take WORKING PROFITABLE entities and hand them over to a 90% certain failure? The minister said it herself!!!. The ANC need to make excuses on why they have not made more progress ( they have made some) and this is the best that they can do. When this fails, as it will, then what , then who will they blame? The only solution is a civil service that is remunerated on performance, education begin the biggest one, so that we have a population that is productive.

      divan.pretorius.71 - 2012-06-28 16:46

      Lerato did you not read the article? It says 90% of the reposessed land is a failure and does not contribute to the SA economy. Your comment regarding the deeds office seems like hear-say to me anyway, have you gone to the deeds office and count them yourself? Why is it that all you see is how much land is owned by whom? why dont you look at the numbers that tells you what a mess actually derived from the land reformation? you want blacks to own 90% of the land, yet only 10% of that land will be utilised to its potential. wake up and lay off on your inferior complex.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-28 16:57

      @carl.v.rooyen if you got connections in the banking industry ask how many white farms has failed as well. Not running away from your point, yes we will learn and grow from such failures. Just because some guys failed its unfair to think that all blacks will fail. I for one don't have farming experience but I have advanced finance n investment knowledge n skills, given a chance running a farm is not even close to a challenge

      carl.v.rooyen - 2012-06-28 17:37

      I think that you have your heart in the right place, I agree that what has been done in the past has not worked and it may be time to try something new- but we need to be exceptionally careful in what we do. Having a background in finance and having a logical mind does not make a farmer- you may be able to calculate the WACC or calculate the risk of a security using the CAPM or know the bond market like the back of your hand,GAAP and King3 but the ability to look at the soil and know what it needs or to know livestock, to know the weather and when to plant and when to harvest- that's in the blood and I think that you would find it a challenge in the first few years- you would need help as I would( and you are intelligent, imagine the challenge for someone less gifted) We need to look at what has worked and replicate it - as a country - you teach interns on how to invest and run the books of a company and the farmers can teach others how to farm- and it takes a lifetime, agricultural school and trade tricks being passed on. I don't wish failure on anyone but if the farms fail and we have to import food the demand for forex will depreciate the rand, and while this may work for exporters in the short term local prices will increase to match what exporters can get overseas and then inflation runs riot - in addition to increased food costs and imports bills/ current account deficit. We as a nation need to tread carefully and not cut off our nose to spite our faces.

      andre.burrows.92 - 2012-06-29 11:52

      Its too cold for the Zulus in Stellenbosch.Keep struggling comrade lerato!

      norman.depluhm - 2012-07-03 17:15

      Lerato, why must I always pull these threads away from the race angle? Nothing in what I wrote spoke down to blacks or even about blacks at all, it is not about the colour of the subject, it is about their motives and the results as proven elsewhere. It spoke truthfully about examples in other parts of the world that the sentiment was not backed up by the conditions or the support.

  • jcoetzee1975 - 2012-06-28 14:30

    I say lets go for it, lets see who eats what. Get ready to invest in food imports if you see an opportunity with a tenderpreneur.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-28 14:32

    Um isnt this the same "lady" who would not attend a meeting in a public place because a D.A. member was attending??? And we are supposed to believe she has upliftment for "all" at heart? Just another anc cronie out for a freebie!!!

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-28 14:36

    ANC definition of ‘Land’ – White owned agricultural business. Some questions to consider – 1)Why do they use this passive term ‘Land’ when what they really mean is White owned agricultural businesses? 2)Why target specifically these White owned farming businesses? There are plenty of other types of business that occupy ‘Land’ if it is indeed ‘Land’ they want. 3)The Government has plenty of Land, so why not start a proper program to train, educate and empower young Black S/Africans to eventually become proper commercial farmers and thus contribute constructively to the economy and SA food production? 4)Why not also target and demand that Indian businesses be handed over to Blacks since these too have been established in a country that apparently doesn’t belong to anyone but Blacks? Sure this is not ‘Land’ but the principle is the same. 5)Are the Blacks who will then occupy these farms actually farmers? From what farming background will they come from and what credentials / education will they have with regards to operating a commercial farm? 6)Will the new ‘owners’ be ANC politicians, their friends and family and ANC cadres? Of course this is most likely, so why not ‘take’ government ‘Land’ or other non-developed Land? Why must it be productive White owned farms specifically, farms that are feeding the nation and providing employment? 7) Why can’t Blacks build up their own farms? Is there something wrong with them?

      Sean Du Toit - 2012-06-28 20:40


  • appietrader - 2012-06-28 14:40

    As long as there are dumb cadres that and wannabee lawmakers running this country the slide into a Zim will continue. These people are to racist in their small minds and too ignorant to learn. Buy the land and let the farms get stripped down to nothing. Hell, we don't have to worry the country is in good hands.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-28 14:49

      Agree - it's like watching a toddler running towards the rapids, and the more you scream for fear of drowning/injury, the faster the toddler runs headlong into disaster. You feel so helpless because you can see where it's going to end up, but the little brat won't listen. All you can do is sit back in horror and watch the disaster unfold.

  • colin.fryer.7 - 2012-06-28 14:45

    Farm land ownership is a political/social agenda & unfortunalely has little to do with sense, cents or the ability to produce the vital commodity it creates when it comes to certain influential forces. Elements within our current political government favour the securing of productive farms based solely on the " need " to get a white farmer off the land and a black entity on for compensation of the act of " stealing " the land in the first place.Politics and commercial sense do not mix well & until our governmental leaders appreciate the broader reality of sustaining food security, productivity and the value our agriculture brings to SA through exports when gauged against radicle farm possession at any & all costs, the opportunity for this issue to become a real challenge to each & every soul within southern Africa exsists.Glance north to Zimbabwe for a worst case scenario or maybe here in SA it could be even more ruinous ?

  • eddie.dicker.12 - 2012-06-28 14:49

    question, was the farms not bought by white farmers in the apartheidera??, nothing was for free, you can't blame all the whites for apartheid? decisions was made by only a handful, so stop blaming the white masses, pay the price the farmer wants, he/she worked hard for his/her farm to be a sucessful. The ANC will never stop with their rassism.

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-28 14:51

    Want something to fail ? Get the ANC involved !!

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-28 14:53

    SEIZING LAND IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM !! Giving people free houses over the last 18 years did not make them happy.The government spent millions building houses in small small places like Britstown and Victoria West etc etc etc.So you have a lot of people in new houses in tiny towns AND NO JOBS/NO INDUSTRIES,JUST HOUSES !!! Come on, get real...the people need jobs. PS...forgot, some people become multi millionaires building these houses. They NEVER put anything back of the monies they made into those towns. Most building materials came from elsewhere, so those towns scored ziltch, only a bigger unemployed housed community.

  • Glyn - 2012-06-28 15:03

    So who actually pays for this land? The new "farmer"? The Government? The anc? No! It will be YOU!

  • leon.fellows.1 - 2012-06-28 15:50

    under law this would be unconstitutional

  • Carlton - 2012-06-28 16:02

    I think the land thing is stupid what young person is willing to tend a farm, the ANC and South Africans in general should understand that this no longer a society based on agriculture, it will never work because people will still poor the only difference is that they have unproductive land. Also rationalising mines and everything else is also stupid gold is a vanity mineral it can never support the count less of poor pregnant teenaged and can never really solve our problems. The true problems in South Africa is obviously the corruption and self serving politicians, poor people having too many children they cant afford, the lack of diversity in our economy that forces people to compete for the same job and an uninspired, pessimistic country. If these problems arent solved SA will descent into total chaos.

  • foxiloxi - 2012-06-28 16:16

    But it has been shown over and over that this is not the problem, the problem lies with government handing over land to those that have no clue how to farm and that only 10% of land handed over is productive!?!? Once again they harp on an issue without taking into accounbt the failures of the past!! Surely there is an intelligent member among them that knows this and will take a stand?? Or will they lose out on the precious millions that being in the ANC fold brings them?

  • david.wolpert.39 - 2012-06-28 16:50

    This from a minister of agriculture who doesn't know the difference between an apple and a cow,but knows how to spend millions of our money on travel and entertainment.

  • marumobongani - 2012-06-28 17:42

    we pay they leave our country whats the point of enriching thieves who gonna buy another farm again is totally a waste of state resources

      Roelof Botha - 2012-07-01 07:46

      Waste of state resources? Resources being used to build very expensive stadiums that hardly get used and an e-tolling system that clearly will never be active. Billions of Rands wasted! Money that could have been used to buy land and build more housing for the people living in very dire conditions in townships.

  • Zahir - 2012-06-28 17:50

    The land grab is a non event how do u give a productive farm to someone who has never farmed and then expect it to be a sucess and how do u decide u get what land and why would a bank provide capital to fund this

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-06-28 19:47

    How can any country survive with a minister of agriculture that could care a hoot about the farmers ! She has the IQ of a mole turd !

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-06-28 21:51

    The land issue is very serious and those white farmer who are owning 1000hactus please share the land with blacks foks before os to late. Why? The bee policy is not is not working in farms. The land issue will create a fight in our country and farmer will loose a lot, so please if u own a farm start to empower black dat I working for u and stop being selfish.

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-06-28 22:02

    Land was stolen from lawful owners now is so difficult to bring it back. I don't blame Robert Mugabe he was so tired to berg people about land issue. So even in South Africa we are tired something must be done soon because Zimbabwe style will start not long. White people they don't want to share it is clear it is 18years now we are still talking one policy of Land. Farmers must empower blacks in Agriculture sector so that we can leave in harmony.

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-06-29 04:10

      Is there anything you have that we can together...willingly ?

      loading123 - 2012-06-29 09:35

      I agree, give ALL the land back. Just get that US$2 billion back from the IMF, because we're gonna need it to import food. I wonder who's hands the newly acquired land goes to? Not you, perhaps Zuma's children? All I know is that it's people who don't want to live there or work the land. They purely want it for the title deeds: Bye bye economy, welcome Zim2

      carl.v.rooyen - 2012-06-29 12:37

      Really? Its lawful owners are the Khoi San- lets give it back to them? Does anyone even know what the percent of GDP agriculture and mining contributes to the GDP?It's between 3- 4.5% with another 7 odd percent coming from industries supporting the farmers. As a side note that a decrease in productive farming would mean more than the direct loss to GDP, there would be a knock on effect. Mining 8.8% directly and another 10% in support industries. In other words the ANC could nationalise the entire mining and agricultural sector and it will be less than 15% of GDP. And that will not pull the countries masses out of poverty. Out of the factors of production; land ,labour, capital and enterprise the most the ANC can do is liberate some land. Labour has to be paid from profits, capital will flee as the risk in the country is too high, and we need capital to pay for all the imports as our current account deficit is so large and lastly you cannot nationalise enterprise- its a personal thing. This is economics 101- undergrad level and our highly educated leaders don't even take this into account when making decisions.

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  • antoinette.jordaan - 2012-06-29 12:21

    Everytime I read something like this, and the comments by people, I always wonder why they don't just dump all us whites in a "homeland"? I mean, then we're no longer the issue. Then the whites don't have anything that can possibly be wanted. The government can then share equally, apart from the government officials of course, and go on their merry way. I mean, this is really what they want deep down isn't it? Why not just do it?

  • Michael - 2012-06-29 12:34

    just face it,black thuggery wont stop until they have silenced every white in the country.

  • fanie.dutoit2 - 2012-06-29 12:38

    The very first thing that the Government should do is fire the ineffective staff and management that is supposed to facilitate the process of buying farms. This will in the first place resolve 80% of the problems in gaiing land from farmers. Secondly the Government must realise that most of todays farmers "bought" their land with hard earned money and did not receive anythong free from govenrments in the past. If I am offered a market related price for my farm and farming assets and the process can be dealt within four months, I will sell (despite the emotional value of the farm for myself, wife and children. Four years ago I was made an offer for 35% of the market value of my farm , it took 13 months to get to this point) and was called a racist when I rejected this silly offer.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-06-29 13:15

    Its 99% ANC's fault that the land situation is a problem. In the first place they falsely sell their people the notion that simply owning land will enrich them. Secondly, they gave all the land to communities uninterested in farming, it was dealt out on the basis they used to live on the land. No support was given. No will was shown by the people given land to farm, most simply gutted the land of all moveable assets. I'm surrounded by land reform farms, they are completely gutted, people don't even live on them. The ANC also refused to work with farmers who were willing to sell their land. They paid ridiculous prices for some land, prices no sane person would have paid - gross corruption was involved. And 10% success - simply a lie, more like a 2% success rate. The ANC has played with the land issue instead of dealing with it, they have not attempted to uplift their people, they have simply used them as part of their political power clinging game. They should hang their heads in shame. The ANC could easily and cheaply have purchased 1000's of farms by now simply by buying on the open market. They could have given the land to black individuals with a will to farm, instead of just any old "community" who simply fight amongst themselves as to who can loot the most once they got the land. Disgusting ANC.

  • bheki.dingiswayo - 2012-06-29 16:04

    The value of land is not an issue but the issue are the improvements on the land which are compensated on the market value rather than depreciated values.

  • Panayoti Stavrinos - 2012-06-30 12:22

    For starters Ms Peterson should be relocated to Zimbabwe, cause she'll feel more at home there. she must be amongst the top50 dumbest government seniors in the country (& its a close race). As the article say. land grabbing DOESN'T WORK. 2nd it also says that 10% of farms sold are productive. Do the math (if she can) this means that the present redistribution program has a 10% success rate. eliminate the problem, don't try fix it after the damage has been done. do the transition slowly after the sale has gone through. make that a stipulation in the sales agreement. & for all thats holy, GET RID OF PETERSON AND THE OTHER 50. This id IF you want to look after the country & not yourselves.

  • pngee - 2012-08-13 14:58

    The Locust principle applies here too Black Africans need to change from consumers to creators, the here and now is all that matters to our black brothers so Africa continues to be full of starving people and generally an embarassment in the world.

  • nicholas.mears.397 - 2012-10-23 19:19

    I am not going anywhere and I will fight to the death for my possessions in this country. I hope my fellow citizens feel the same way and don’t whimper off to another country?

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