Bill should give back stolen land – EFF

Bill should give back stolen land – EFF

2014-07-25 18:34

Cape Town - Parliament on Friday passed the appropriation bill and the budgets for 38 government departments amid protest from opposition parties that accumulated borrowing, set to reach R2trn in three years, would saddle future generations with an unfair debt burden.

Economic Freedom Fighters' MP Godrick Gardee said his ultra-left party could not support the bill because borrowed money was being wasted on projects that held no benefit for generations to come - notably the upgrades at President Jacob Zuma's Nkandla home.

Though the EFF did not object in principle to borrowing to finance public spending, it could not support the way the African National Congress (ANC) did it, he added.

"It is problematic where one of the basic principles of the fiscal policy, which is that of inter-generational fairness, is being over-looked," Gardee said.

"Borrowing should not be used to buy goods and services from which future generations would not accrue benefit, but be burdened with obligations to pay back a debt used in futility by a preceding generation.

"Such goods and benefits like the Nkandla residence, that asset of R230m, is financed by a state debt and that debt is going to be paid by future generations."

A similar point was made by Steve Swart of the African Christian Democratic Party (ACDP), who asked whether government fully grasped the implications of its actions.

"We need to understand the enormity of what we are busy doing, and I share the concern of other members about our debt service costs."

Swart added that given the rate of borrowing, it was unconscionable that up to R30bn from the state's coffers was lost to corruption annually.

The Democratic Alliance (DA) said the bill attested to "dismal economic and financial management" on the part of the ANC and showed the ruling party had no plan to solve the jobs crisis.

In his response, Finance Minister Nhlanhla Nene denied that borrowing exceeded responsible limits.

Though debt servicing costs had risen and the fiscal space had shrunk, Treasury was keeping to the principles of sustainability and inter-generational equity, and remained committed to stabilising the growth of public debt over the next three years.

In a jab at the EFF's lack of experience in parliament, Nene said that being new they had perhaps not had time to study the state's consolidated operating accounts. Government was building schools and clinics "that will benefit our children and not burden them with debt".

Swart questioned whether government would be able to achieve debt stabilisation in the face of shrinking growth.

"Whether you are able to achieve this of course, that is the challenge... given the various political pressures from various quarters," he said.

"And it is also premised on economic growth reaching targeted levels, initially 2.7%, but now revised downwards significantly."

The EFF objected to every single budget tabled by cabinet ministers in the past fortnight, each time spelling out ideological cause for doing so.

The party refused to support the justice budget because it said it failed to address unequal access to justice, and the mineral resources bill because it believed the state should get directly involved in mining minerals such as platinum to make beneficiation and job creation a reality.

"Those are the basic logical things that must be considered," EFF Chief Whip Floyd Shivambu said.

On land reform, the EFF repeated its offer to the ANC to support a constitutional amendment to allow the state to seize farmland without compensation.

"We won't support the budget, because it is about buying back our stolen land, which is wasteful expenditure and promotes illegality" the party's Andile Mngxitama said.

"So far only 8% of the land has been bought back, for a lot of money. The only solution is we get our land back without paying money. We extend to you, the majority party, the offer to amend section 25 (of the Constitution), to make sure it goes, and to expropriate land with compensation, but that requires revolutionary courage."

The DA also objected to the land reform budget, saying it was woefully inadequate to deal with fresh claims that would be lodged in the new five-year period that began last month.

The day's debates often degenerated into insult-trading, with the EFF again protesting that there was no rule obliging it to refer to MPs from other parties as "honourable".

Mngxitama suggested the ANC's Mandla Mandela was failing to live up to the legacy of his grandfather, former president Nelson Mandela.

"We have members who so poorly represent the names of their great families."

He was swiftly told to withdraw, but only did so reluctantly after telling House chairperson Cedric Frolick: "You are abusing your chair."

The bill will now be sent to the National Council of Provinces for concurrence.

  • Consider Aswell - 2014-07-25 18:46

    The EFF is simply not interested in peaceful co-existence with other people - only in grabbing for themselves what they can.

      Thys Human - 2014-07-25 18:50

      But they are getting great publicity from media such as N24.

  • Hendrik Breed - 2014-07-25 18:47

    Oh ffs! Economic terrorists!

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  • Annemie Parkin - 2014-07-25 18:57

    What exactly is this obsession with land? Do they think that a successful agricultural operation just falls out of the sky? No, it takes skill, hard work, knowledge, money and experience. Just handing out land won't solve the problem. Besides, it is very likely that land would not go to the poor and disadvantaged, but to the politically connected. Why not redistribute unused government land instead?

      Rassie Erasmus - 2014-07-25 19:06

      Because then there will still be white farmers left!! Its not land that they want, it is no white farmers that they want!

      Ben S - 2014-07-25 19:13

      These people who are asking for land have no plans to farm. It is something they are going to get for free. Now if you don't like work and you don't have to work for it, why not.

  • sean.wasserman.3 - 2014-07-25 19:04

    It has only taken 20 years for the ANC government to reduce the South African economy to junk status.

      Genet Joobs - 2014-07-26 11:18

      300 years to make, 3 years to break.

  • Roddy Jardim - 2014-07-25 19:15

    Zuma's rubbing there hands in glee.

  • Kamohelo Moshodi - 2014-07-25 19:19

    Mr Editor ur headline is misleading the nation and you are busy spew hatred to us.peace,love ,forgiveness I remain we as country we are going no where as long as there is no forgiveness and love amongs us.we are doomed nation like zim

      Marie - 2014-07-25 21:40

      Kamohelo The nation need your wisdom and strength! The ignorant ;full of hatred blind with revenge Can not forgive and calm down As long There following the's Mad deranged person ;- for leader who Totally brain wash't them with propaganda ideology and promises ! What the's Uneducated people want! Free land '-free house Farms By selection""""! Machinery? Seeds? Money fuel '- food? All for free?! Free education!?? ??? Yes! With no education '-No matter how much Is the claim " for the land" The can not make it productive Need wisdom perseverance Hard work for the land to produce! Should think hard ' Before The ruin millions of life's! If the's situation is not turned around We are heading for guarantied Genocide!

  • Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2014-07-25 19:20

    This is de 1st time I hear EEF member Honourable Gardee raising crucial concerns in debate without attacking the rulling party this is what we expect from dem...his Point is relevant and on point although I m not EEF member but I wish for other of members to learn from him debate is healthy if it has no insults....

  • Francois Merwe - 2014-07-25 19:22

    When you pass a farm with Sunflowers peacefully dozing in the sun, and the green green 2.5 meter high maize and aroma of a straw erry farm....just think how ghst vould be the last time you will ever see such beauty again...It is on their nature to steal and break down...Farms will never ever prosper again...We will have to import fresh produce....During Dingaan and Shaka's rule they murdered and stole from the Boer...What has changed...I vote for sivil war so that we can get the opportunity to settle some scores and save our lovely country.

  • Ben S - 2014-07-25 19:26

    Theft is a word you can throw around as you wish. Instead of buying this land back with state money (mainly from white people) the cadres decided to steal it for themselves. That is theft from the rest of the population. Force the cadres to pay back all the proceeds from corruption and all the agricultural land can be bought back from the present farmers. There is, of course, a bonus. We can all go hungry until the farmers have bought their land back.

  • Joe - 2014-07-25 19:31

    Although I also have issue with state debt spiralling out of control... I must say it sounds like the EFF is not interested in the best possible solution, but rather the best IMpossible solution. Sigh... Kids...

      Joe - 2014-07-25 19:55

      I should add that its that or just whatever sounds right to their racist ears.

  • Henning Lubbe - 2014-07-25 19:36

    True, thank you!!. But the EFF is also not promotion love and cohesion..

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-07-25 22:25

      EFF are a bunch of uneducated racists. They are very stupid.

  • Around da Sun - 2014-07-25 19:40

    Bite off more than one can chew: (idiomatic) - attempt more than one is capable of doing. Since the elections, the only contributions made is that of mayhem and anarchy like teenagers trying to find themselves. Continue at this rate and soon you will lose those who voted you in. There is absolutely nothing impressive about being argumentative all the time!

  • alan.ndobo - 2014-07-25 19:43

    And they call this democracy?

      Visa Book - 2014-07-25 20:13

      Since tribal areas are artificial constructs forced on tribesman, can each individual not claim ownership of a piece of land in the "tribal" area too. I guess land claims apply to all areas including tribal areas.

      Collins Malatole - 2014-07-26 04:01

      Wht u cl

  • paul.d.murison - 2014-07-25 19:46

    This country is f....d!!

  • Nigel Vos - 2014-07-25 19:57

    Yes, give me back my land. My forefathers settled in the Franschoek area in 1692 and there were NO blacks there. I want our land back - NOW!

      Ben S - 2014-07-25 20:38

      James, no way you will get the white people out of Africa. Have you ever been to Egypt? Who gave this land to black people? Your homeland is where you were born, like the black people in America. If you go to YouTube and listen to what Pastor Manning has to say about this all, you might also see the light, although I don't agree with him.

      Ndwakhulu Ricky Ramalamula - 2014-07-25 20:39

      From where? Go back

      mark.k.davidson - 2014-07-25 20:46

      James. You tell all the blacks in Europe to go back to Africa. In fact tell all the pakis! Nigerians and Arabs in England to go home. The queen will give you a medal.

      Julian Edward Frost - 2014-07-25 21:30

      James Maswoba, you sir, are a racist.

      Johan van Wyk - 2014-07-26 00:58

      James, most of the things you use is designed by a Whiteman! The cellphone you use. The car you drive.

  • Visa Book - 2014-07-25 19:58

    Now that land claims has been re-opened and we hear that King Goodwill and Zuma's cousin are making claims for very large pieces of land, I am wondering how these claims will be settled as I guess every Zulu will also have a right on the same basis as the king and Zuma's cousin. Does royalty have a bigger claim than an ordinary tribesman? Will every Zulu be given a piece of land or just the king and Zuma's cousin? We live in a democracy so I would think being a king is no different to a tribesman when it comes to land claims.

  • Gary Kerwin - 2014-07-25 20:22

    It's sad that a small minority of thugs and thieves control the destiny of this beautiful country. The end result will be another basket case and flood of refugees to safer countries.

      sxp - 2014-07-27 09:40

      That minority was voted in by a huge majority and the nativity and shear hatred of that majority is the real problem.

  • Valerie van der Nest - 2014-07-25 20:26

    We want we want!!!! Learn how to farm first then perhaps u would be able to provide food for the people of south africa.

  • Debby Frans - 2014-07-25 20:26

    This fat boy make me sick he is not from South Africa they don't own land it is clear he has to go back to school he does'nt know history they have to go up North where they come from, we were first here the Khoi. People of South Africa would please teach something to this hooligan a thing called history please. This thing land will end up in a civil War in South Africa what land, what land do they own print this in his stupid head, nobody own land it is the KHOI! I don't know why people put up with them, they are rude,they lack discipline, they are such a disgrace.SIES man!

  • Kholo Warren Jesus - 2014-07-25 20:28

    EFF member of parliament Godrick Gardee, rubbish is what you just said. Nhlanhla neni is not a minister of finance, he is a chairperson on YouTube. please retards, leave land alone. remove e-tolls as you promised.

  • Adrian Snyman - 2014-07-25 20:33

    The EFF need to give back all the stuff they stole when they looted the shops around the Gauteng Legislature

  • Marie - 2014-07-25 20:53

    So the's honorable"" EFF party leader goes on legally looting with the clan!"" Front of the whole world !!! Asking South Africans ;' (excluding the thieving ignorant Tugs) Is that the picture for the future ;- Commander in chief """" despicable Behavior in the parliament!'? On the streets !' ?? Do people it the right places """" who could stop the's Modus operands allowing The total destruction of the country Sitting on ;-just counting daily ,there millions Sudden riches" All justified ;-under politically correct"" terms! Wile the rest of us loosing our jobs ! All little busnisses Get bankrupt Thousands losing the homes 'not able to pay the home loans Children suffer Good people willing to work just live by day ;suffer! The nation need some direction The's thuggery :-time wasting Intimidation of the nation ! have to be cut back! If is not to late! ? What it takes For our people to realize That thee wasted precious time In the parliament playing war of words """ Wile the country is slipping in to poverty and chaos !- day by day!

  • Johan van Wyk - 2014-07-25 20:57

    How do you steal land EFFof!!!!!!!

  • Glenn Owen Watkins - 2014-07-25 21:49

    On the subject of claiming property that was allegedly "stolen".... Can anyone tell me where all the citizens of this country who have been victims of crime where they have lost life, limb, personal belongings as a result of the governments inability to safe guard their citizens. Secondly the subject at hand around the land claims is wrongful gain....under the same breath did the president not gain wrongfully from nkandla?? So when will he be paying back what he has wrongfully gained??? Really pathetic, I think back to the time when Bill Clinton was president of the USA, and how he was brought to task because he received a sexual favour from a coworker. If this country had those principles in place where we held the leaders accountable, JZ would never have got away with a quarter of what he has.

      Tiekie Black - 2014-07-26 08:43

      sandisele how did the zulu king got all hes land? they took it from smaller tribes! so whites are not the only ones with stolen land! CATCH A WAKE-UP!!!!!

  • Johan Venter - 2014-07-25 22:17

    Can someone ask pistoolius to check who is in fat ass malemas toilet.

  • Justice Mogajane - 2014-07-25 22:53

    My land My Pride

  • Richard Nieckau - 2014-07-25 23:17

    Plenty of land available in south Africa...1,2million square kilometres in extent. 4500km of seaside frontage. But everyone is huddling together in cities, alas its too late as the economy is on its knees. More like the graveyard train. Suggestion? Buy a small holding out in the sticks, cheaper than a Hyundai and start building from there. Learn to subsistence farm. Over several years you will reap the rewards.

  • marius.coetzee.923 - 2014-07-25 23:52

    There is no use in fighting on comments about the whole land reforming and racial issues. It's not going to change and will only become worse. The solution is simple. We must get out of SA just as the EEF and their people want, then after 20 years we can come back when 90% of the poor Victims like Sandisele have died due to starvation, disease or infighting because of lack of competent farmers and doctors, and then rebuild SA the right way

  • gerry.klos - 2014-07-26 08:47

    Don't worry if we can't repay it, we steal it. Affirmative National Crime (ANC)

  • Masti M Soomaru - 2014-07-26 11:51

    Exsiting white Farmers, just stop farming!!! Let them import food. As the Saying goes," Don't talk with your mouth Full"

  • Andrew Mackie - 2014-07-26 11:59

    @Thandiwe83, pray tell what is the point of expats returning, no doubt mostly white skilled persons, when no jobs available for whites due to the so called demographics of the country and employment requirements of Government. Also read Telkom is to retrench about 5000 whites, again based on needs to save and BEE requirements. These retrenchments will include many skilled persons and the result may be to the detriment of Technical expertize in the enterprise. So is the country moving forward or backward.

  • Gareth Hart - 2014-07-26 15:14

    The EFF is the authority on theft....

  • Kevin Marsh - 2014-07-26 15:19

    Dumb and Dumber

  • Brian Mdluli - 2014-07-26 16:11

    I keep asking myself this one question whose land was stollen?

      Abra Dhlamini - 2014-07-27 01:40

      Because you were not born when your grandfather's were beaten killed by those rasict white, in they're land told go out of south Africa,that's still keep asking,the truth is painful to those racist! But truth has to be spoken, now it is they're turn, everything has his on time.even anc too,the time will come for they corruption,

      Abra Dhlamini - 2014-07-27 01:41

      Because you were not born when your grandfather's were beaten killed by those rasict white, in they're land told go out of south Africa,that's still keep asking,the truth is painful to those racist! But truth has to be spoken, now it is they're turn, everything has his on time.even anc too,the time will come for they corruption,

  • Bastille French - 2014-07-26 16:45

    One thing i have learnt about reality is that it is a thing or substance that continues to exist inspite or despite my approval or disapproval. In reality we all know that there will be no land taken without following appropriate procedures. This militant posturing by our elected officials is divorced from reality. Because the constitutionality of this assertion will not pass muster. We might as well break into all the banks of the world and take all the money.

  • Abra Dhlamini - 2014-07-27 01:17

    The truth will come-out! with white racist! black south Africa was not aloud on his country land,the whole world knows the truth about south Africa, that was the first country in the world black been beaten killed on they land country! For that they will be no freedom You like it or you not, is the truth,what happened with land of south Africa, it happen in South America, it happen in like it or you not, is true,

  • Brian Mdluli - 2014-07-27 07:42

    I keep asking myself this one question whose land was stollen?

  • sxp - 2014-07-27 09:37

    Proof theft, BUT first proof ownership. The only real theft was when the Boer republics were stolen by a war, all for the Zionist bankers to get their hands on the mineral riches that were found in Boer land. It is time we stop the unity-state and make sure each nation has its own land to prosper on or die on.

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