Barberton youth demand share of mine

Barberton youth demand share of mine

2013-07-17 10:38

Barberton - More than 200 unemployed youth in Mpumalanga have marched to the Fairview mine in Barberton, Mpumalanga, demanding a share of the company's wealth.

A Sapa correspondent reported that the group, which had been associated with Julius Malema's Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF), denied they were part of the "protest movement" during their march on Tuesday (July 16).

"We want the wealth of this mine because it is situated in our land," Umjindi Community Forum leader Mandla Mamba said.

"The wealth should be shared with us, and we want 70% of the employees to be from here and 50% of the management to be from here.

"It pains us to see helicopters coming in and out looting our wealth and leaving us in poverty. Their operations also damage our houses through tremors that happen due to mining activities."

Mamba said the forum was not associated with any political party.

"We are not associated [with] any party, not even the ANC or DA. Our needs are the same as those of the EFF, but we can't stop our demands because there's a new political party calling for the same," he said.

The forum gave the mine 14 days to respond to its call and threatened a mass protest should its demands not be met.

"If they don't respond to us, they are not going to like what they will see. We won't wait for 14 days just to be disappointed," he said.

The forum's three-page memorandum was handed to Fairview mine's human resource manager Essie Esterhuizen.

"We are going to read the memorandum well and then come respond to you as you requested," Esterhuizen said.

Mamba and seven other local residents were arrested on Sunday when they tried to hold a night vigil outside the mine's premises.

"Our arrest on Sunday evening raises a lot of questions. We were arrested with four children aged between 11 and 16 years, but were released on Monday morning and told to go home without any charges pressed against us.

"The Freedom Charter says the wealth of the land shall be shared amongst those who live in it, and now we want to have control of our land and our wealth," he said.

Mpumalanga police spokesperson Colonel Leonard Hlathi said the prosecutor in the case against Mamba and the seven others had decided not to proceed with the case.

"According to our records, all the suspects were taken to court, but the prosecutor decided to not put their case on the roll. We don't know for what reasons. We were therefore left with no choice but release them," said Hlathi.

  • Paul Phil - 2013-07-17 10:48

    Aluta continua''

      Callan Hempel - 2013-07-17 11:07

      I think guys should understand what Paul is saying ...." the struggle continues ", not the looting continues!

      Heibrin Venter - 2013-07-17 11:11

      @Callan: the ONLY reason they are still struggling is the ANC. And trust me, the looting is going to start very soon.

      Pete Mears - 2013-07-18 08:00

      Always Liberating, Never Free...

  • Clive Wannenburg - 2013-07-17 10:49

    We want and we demand! is this all the youth can do in SA.

      Gerald Umraw - 2013-07-17 11:10

      oh boy maybe I should stop working and studying and start demanding as well lol. I want...I want...I want Its so much easier than working my ass of everyday.

      Victor Whitepaw - 2013-07-17 11:16

      But that is wat the ANC promised... That is what moron Malema said...

      Nolene Nelson - 2013-07-17 13:50

      I sort of resent that, I am a South African youth. I couldnt afford to study after school so I started working straight away - no matric holiday. I've been working and earning my way for the last 6yrs and I don't demand anything, all I ask for is a better government which is why I vote and will continue to vote until the day the ANC is out or I die...we'll see which comes first

  • Bolokang Tikane - 2013-07-17 10:50

    I encourage other youths from other mining houses to do the same(province by province)

      Andrew Collings - 2013-07-17 11:12

      You have no idea of the real world consequences your comment would bring to South Africa.

      Ricky Correia - 2013-07-17 11:22

      For what Bolokang ? What would happen to the world if everyone just sat back and demanded from companies ? Companies don't fall from the sky they are created through hardwork, organisation and focus by a group of individuals. This is obviously a concept that you and a few others are just too mentally deficient to understand. And don't give me the rhetoric of, "this land belongs to us", because if it weren't for these companies operating these mines the land would still be just that, land with bush and rocks on it and there would be no "wealth" to go around. If you want something work for it but as usual the youth, who always believe they know everything, just demand. Grow up, grow a brain, learn and then do something which may be a very novel thing for you. THINK.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:35

      Bolokang, you are ALMOST as funny as the eejits who demanded in the first place :D

      Heinrich Nel - 2013-07-17 11:54

      And I encourage you Bolokang, to stop encouraging youth do undertake ridiculous demands. Why don't you join them?? I'm sure you can also fabricate some sort of BS story about your claim on the mine's profits, in the same way these extremists are doing. If unemployed youth really wants remuneration, why don't they find a job like NORMAL people. Why does everyone and their grandma owe them something? Let me explain by using a simple example. Let's say I would like to build a book cabinet, but I don't have any wood or carpentry experience. Do you think that a book cabinet will just miraculously appear while I'm sitting on my arse, willing a tree to transform into a book cabinet? NO! I'll have to chop down the tree, cut it into individual parts, read up on building book cabinets and then attempt to build it!! Why does the youth of SA think that life is so easy that you will receive everything for free by waving around sticks, pangas and misspelled demands written on torn cardboard? Life isn't easy!!! (Firsthand experience)! If it was, we'd all be millionaires living in our own Nkandlas. When I undertake something on my own and I achieve it above my own and everybody else's expectations, I feel good about myself. I get satisfaction by saying "look at this, I did this, I'm proud of this". Don't you?

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:09

      don't be silly Heinrich, to build that book cabinet, all you have to do is go to the closest tree felling business and DEMAND wood...duh

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:26

      duh Cindy ... you only have to do a Std 6 woodworking class in Zimpopo, and soon you will be the Cabinet. (Unless you go to jail).

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:35

      LOL Alan, you're not helping the WEE situation!!!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:40

      sorry the Wii situation is unNtendod

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 13:37

      I'd suggest the youths try setting up their own company and applying for mining licences through the same channels as everyone else

      Ronald Gibson - 2013-07-17 14:09

      Bolokang, looking at the banner on your FB page immediately made me understand your comment, but you must understand that you first have to be in the top cadres of the ANC to benefit from their enrichment program.

      Janine Nortje - 2013-07-18 19:11

      I have to get off this forum stomach muscles can't take it anymore!!! ROFPML!!!!!! Cindy..bbm. Hahahahaha!

  • Jones Malwela Mosima - 2013-07-17 10:50

    I'm so embarrased and disappointed by this youth's. There is nothing for free,they must go get degrees and get jobs. Why do you want something that you have never worked for?...

      Gary Guy - 2013-07-17 11:09

      The black youth of today (in general) are incapable of hard work and achieving anything through effort - all they want is free hand outs. That is all they understand - getting something for free - either by stealing it or by a free hand out. SA is headed in one direction.

      Jason Hepple - 2013-07-17 11:35

      But that's because they are being taught that by Juliarse... And he continues to use and feed off of the youth... Until one day Juliarse will be rich and the youth will still have nothing! The youth of this country are given free education, numerous opportunities to get bursaries and gov help to start their own businesses... Why not use it? If I was one of the youth today, working hard to study and better my life... The actions of these lazy imbeciles would cheapen the hard work I have put into my studies and the commitment I have shown to better my life...

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 11:59

      Respect, Mr JM Mosima. I stand with you.

      Riekie Koekemoer - 2013-07-17 14:05

      Jones, they don't need degrees, there is plenty work, if you want to work, but the young people want to start working for a fortune today.

  • Colleen Erasmus - 2013-07-17 10:50

    Bunch of bafoons, you can just demand!

  • Pieter Vermaak - 2013-07-17 10:51

    More DEMANDING.....

      Poloyatonki Kgosi - 2013-07-17 11:39

      The land belongs to our forefathers.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:50

      what Polio - you want to give it to the Koi San now? what do they know about mining?

      Anthony Spruyt - 2013-07-17 12:24

      Polio Donkey enjoy your catch 22 as your fathers stole from someone else's fathers and so did they and so did they and so did they. Besides the point that it was sold/bartered and rarely taken you are just being a horrible troll.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:42

      aaargh No Anthony - Now you are going to have the Polio Donkey running around trying to Catch Tutu

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 13:39

      Hey Polio, why didn't your forefathers do something with all the wealth that was in the ground?

  • Jayson Beckwith - 2013-07-17 10:53

    Please attach those deeds to the memorandum, for that land you so rightfully own!!!!!!

      Ronald Gibson - 2013-07-17 14:16

      What they also do not seem to realise is that even if the land should belong to them they still do not own the minerals under it nor the water flowing over it. The GOVERNMENT owns it all and allows others to extract or use it.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 14:24

      haibo - but the Capitalist Pig Invaders had not brought pens and paper with at that time.

  • Dion Mhlaba - 2013-07-17 10:53

    This just a beginning of a mass strikes from the youth.....its only in MP at the moment, wait for the national youth strikes

      Bob Pacak - 2013-07-17 11:29

      This time round your own people will do the shooting...just like Marikana!

      Robert Rip - 2013-07-17 11:53

      Let's say the mining companies gave up the mines today. Who would invest the capital required and who would run the mines? Gold is not something that just lays around for you to pick up in a refined form. Unfortunately there are costs and with the outlook for gold prices and government management it would result, in my opinion, in a destruction of wealth for the people of South Africa. Currently the mining companies pay significant amounts of tax that should be benefitting the people. Rather protest the fact that government is failing in supporting beneficiation of raw materials in South Africa, and is not redistributing taxes in an efficient and effective manner.

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 13:40

      Can unemployed people go on strike?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 14:11

      yeah - but it's an unpaid strike.

  • Lydon Daniel McGrane - 2013-07-17 10:57

    Lazy buggers.

  • MastersVoice - 2013-07-17 10:57

    South Africa is reaping the rewards of its so-called "education system". These "youth" are clearly clueless, and are easy pickings for political zealots like Julius Malema. The ANC regime has failed all South Africans, and as long as it can allow political parasites such as Jacob Zuma and his cronies into positions of power, it will continue to fail all South Africans to the point where divisions within the societies will become irreparable.

  • Ennia Mikateko Chauke - 2013-07-17 10:59

    this mines hire people from neighbouring countries bcs of cheap labour living the locals unemployed enough is enough

      Janine Van de Merwe - 2013-07-17 11:10

      I agree with you on the neigbouring countries...get the anc to get them out of OUR country...the we can start building OUR country

      Konstabel Koekemoer - 2013-07-17 11:23

      Who is giving these foreign miners work permits? The government!

      Ricky Correia - 2013-07-17 11:35

      I agree with you Ennia in that preference should be given to South Africans, but look at what South Africans do - they only demand !! They are not willing to work whereas the foreigners are. The ones that are willing to work want to earn management salaries for doing a labourers job and unfortunately that is just not viable for companies. It is debateable whether it is right or wrong but this is how enterprise works not only here in SA but all over the world.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:36

      yes Ennia, and it wasn't your government that opened our borders for all the neighbouring countries eh??

      Rica Schuurman - 2013-07-17 11:44

      The truth of the matter is that our own people (most people of ALL the races!)are not productive workwise. Ask any farmer and they will tell that workers from the neighbouring countries take pride in the work that they do and will complete any job in a quarter of the time it takes a South African to do it. Time unfortunately is money and production is what we need. Let us all work harder and better and stop demanding. Nothing is for free not even the pencil you steal from your employer.

      MastersVoice - 2013-07-17 12:38

      Perhaps the people from neighbouring countries are more productive and dependable than our own, rather than cheaper?

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 13:41

      Perhaps the people from other countries actually work, not sit around moaning and striking all day

  • Woordelys - 2013-07-17 11:00

    I hope I will be shot or die of shame the day I march to any place and demand a share in their "riches". My parents told me to work hard in school and have pride. Neither costs money - those youths were taught "shame, you are victims". No wonder they don't have proper school or other qualifications or pride to start doing something productive.

  • Denise Oosthuizen Wilshire - 2013-07-17 11:01

    And here is the legacy of lawlessness and civil disobedience finally rearing its head in this land of ours. It took a while to arrive, but this is just the head. Watch this grow and spread to all sectors. Bred and fed by the festering sore which is our Government. Our youth are a sad and disillusioned group of people who have been sold down the river over the past 2 decades. They have inherited an education system which offers them no real wisdom. They are drifting like the rest of Africa's young. They have never had their entrepreneurial natures stimulated. Is it too late to save our country?

      Andrew Collings - 2013-07-17 11:07

      I fear you are right.

      Arthur Salvado - 2013-07-17 11:37

      I'm afraid you're right Denise. This is the humble beginnings of the African spring. Our youth HAVE been given a raw deal. They will revolt and the result is not a win win for anyone because it's result will not be economically sustainable. And so it begins .....

  • Chabalala Grey Bongani - 2013-07-17 11:01

    this is just tge begining indeed. it is easy to call these youth lazy. but in a country where even masters graduates have no jobs i knda feel their pain. these youth are not demanding to be handed money they want part of the mine and work there as shareholders. africa has been exploited for centuries and its ppl left poor, sick and disapointed. in d words of Leonard Cohen " through the graves the wind is blowing, freedom soon will come"

      Woordelys - 2013-07-17 11:06

      I am an academic and trust me many 100s of graduates are clueless about how to look for jobs. That is a massive problem. And you should perhaps remain unemployed if you studied something for which there are 1000s who also studied it: Human Resource Management, an IT certificate etc.

      Jeremy Forbes - 2013-07-17 11:44

      Few people commenting here understand the desperation that comes with poverty. If you want to work and there are no jobs, you are stuck, perhaps for the rest of your life. The ANC government has stolen their wealth and their share of the mines, somebody needs to tell them this.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:51

      @Jeremy - maybe people should stop breeding like rabbits. If they want to blame anybody for poverty, blame the parents.

      MastersVoice - 2013-07-17 12:42

      Alan - I disagree with your sentiment. You are referring to a symptom of the problem, which I believe is poor education.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:54

      well I agree that Education is just as big a problem. But - at the end of the day - the world is overpopulated, leading to it's imminent self destruction. Large families is also a cultural issue, and that too is a problem if you (as parent) have any expactation of a decent life for your kids in today's world.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:55

      So - I guess on the overpopulation issue, it may be helpful to have a president that could set a good example?

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 13:02

      @MastersVoice - I take it you don't have kids in school....? they get quite an education on s*x and contraceptives etc etc nowadays... besides, you don't need to be educated to KNOW not to have a baby that you KNOW you can't provide for - i believe that is called common sense!

      MastersVoice - 2013-07-17 13:27

      Cindy - common sense is very uncommon. Sex education does not educate people in family planning. It also does little for understanding the economic effect children have on a household budget over the long term, and how to save for a child's education.

      Janine Nortje - 2013-07-18 19:20

      Master, I believe sex ed and contraceptives are things that they actually get delivered on their doorsteps.

  • Naas Du Plessis - 2013-07-17 11:02

    Youth can strike. 68% of them are unemployed. 99% of Youths had their education done 94 and after. There needs to be a solution from the government but they don't care!!

  • Victor Whitepaw - 2013-07-17 11:04

    This got to be a joke. They just want to get the wealth/profits of the mine without earning it. Go to goverment ask where the taxes from these mines are going to. That is how the mine is sharing it's wealth to the local people. Maybe it went into another plane or another luxery car for some minister.

      Jimmy Mthombeni - 2013-07-17 11:56

      What percentage of the profit is paid by mine bosses as tax? I am a part-owner of a mine and all it takes to own a mine, you submit an application for a prospecting right at a cost of R500.00, then you pay around R100K for an EMP to a consultant. At this stage you have an option of investing not more than a million rand for exploration or inviting investors to take the project through bankable and then mining stage in exchange for shares. Usually gold and coal mines have an average lifespan of between 30 and 50 years and none will yield a turnover of less than R25 billion for that span of life. The least the mine owners can do is to invest in beneficiation of the minerals and empower the youth around the mining areas and give them ownership thereof as part of the social and labor plan as well as CSI. The mining charter is very clear on this and as long as we have 'verkrampte' mine owners who think people are gullible and can be perpetually fleeced, the worst is yet to come.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:58

      so Jimmy, who are you sharing your mine's wealth with?? do tell...

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:08

      oops Cindy - please don't put people on the spot like that! It p*sses on their arguments.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:11

      @ guessing who the down thumb was from.....LOL!!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:29

      Phew Cindy - that's a difficult one, but maybe the 'thumbs down' finger points at tycoon Jim?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:56

      calling Jimmy - where aaarrreee yooouuuu? We are waiting for your answer...

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 13:04

      @ Alan - don't hold your breath...would probably be detrimental to your health :)

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:15

      awwww Jimminy - that's not Cricket!

      Jimmy Mthombeni - 2013-07-17 14:52

      Some people are so obsessed with thumbs down/up, I don't give a hoot about that. The reality is that we have an economy that is untransformed in favour of the white minority, who continue to focus on profit without due regard for the communities around the mining areas. What we are seeing in Baberton is an indication of a time bomb which is about to explode because of the unsustainable sunset clauses which were agreed to at CODESA to safeguard the interests and the wealth of the beneficiaries of apartheid. Cindy Naude, I am embarking on an unprecedented program of beneficiating the resources we are mining, which was a culture in South Africa as seen through the people of Mapungubwe during the 16th century before the settlers of the 17th century, who started the ravenous exploitation trend of our resources which still unabatedly characterizes mining in the country to this day and age. People around those mining areas will be owners of the beneficiating process and this will be my way of sharing with them. Alan, I don't have the whole day on the internet as I have meetings to attend...

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 15:19

      @ Jimmy, thanks for the clarification, but where's the proof???

      Jeremy Forbes - 2013-07-17 15:45

      Jimmy, I agree with much of your thoughtful argument, but the black elite has benefited hugely from owning shares in the mines, note CR our Deputy President, a billionaire. If you want mines to take on a social role, they will need tax breaks to do so, otherwise their investors will run a mile. On the other hand, good farmers in the WC who have given their workers shares in their farms, built good housing, paid for children's education, is a very good model. These farmers have not had any unrest on their farms.

  • Sherrill Petersen - 2013-07-17 11:04

    Here we go AGAIN !! We want,we must have,we take,its ours etc etc ad nauseum !! These delinquent ,don't want to work numbsculls make me sick !!

  • Mario Kleynhans - 2013-07-17 11:06

    Give a man a fish...

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:25

      and he will eat it .. and all of a sardine, he will be hungry again?

  • Wendy Nezar Schmidt - 2013-07-17 11:07

    What a laugh, I demand a new house and a car ..

      Sherrill Petersen - 2013-07-17 11:09

      With you all the way !!

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:40

      stuff the house Wendy, i DEMAND a farm of my own (not that i have a cooking clue HOW to farm, but that's irrelevant!!) :D this is just so sad, but at the same time hilarious!

  • Makhosonke Mqikela - 2013-07-17 11:08

    There's nothing for nothing...but hark! This is electioneering tactic capitalising on vulnurable electorate.

  • Jimmy Kawa - 2013-07-17 11:14

    this is racketeering plain and simple. if this is potentially the way EFF will operate, even tho they have distanced themselves from this forum, then this country is totally finished.

  • Phetsa Ndlangamandla - 2013-07-17 11:16

    But these guys have legitimate concerns. They want 70% employed to come from their area and 50% management to come from their area. What is lazy about that!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:18

      er - maybe because a mine needs people to be competent at what they do, like all other businesses...

      Mike Olwagen - 2013-07-17 11:29

      Ummmmm....perhaps you require mining management experience...THAT'S ALL...YOU KNOW.....You are a prime example of those demading....I don't think you will understand though.

      Bradley Liebenberg - 2013-07-17 11:36

      Good Lord, being a Manager is a skill. You get the best people to do the Job otherwise your business will be down the toilet!!

      Jane Longmuir - 2013-07-17 11:41

      Phetsa, I have huge sympathy for anyone who is unemployed, BUT, just because you want something, doesn't mean you are entitled to it. People can't go around demanding and expecting, you have to earn the right and that means hard work. Unfortunately there are millions around the world who don't have jobs, these people are no different, so what makes them think they should be handed anything without working for it......apply for jobs there like anybody else. Life is hard, you don't get something for nothing, well some do, but that's a discussion for another day!

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:41

      lol Phetsa, if you have to ask that question, I'm afraid there's little to say....

      King da Maro - 2013-07-17 12:30

      This is a fair argument, and all u saying bro is true BUT there's a "wrong way of doing the ryt thing, and the ryt way of doing the wrong thing", the land is the ppl's but with the ryt ppl running the mines- there won't be no business, no business- no work. How many of the guys marching can actually do the job? Well that none of us can answer! On the other hand the approach 'in my opinion aint ryt', but then again how many young black qualified engineers are sitting coz there aren't any jobs. Do we all have to flock in joburg to find work? Errrr,! They have to find the ryt way of doing sure the concession generates billions, y can't they invest in the community?

      Stephan Ludik - 2013-07-17 12:45

      Do they have the skill to manage a mine!!! This is like saying, I want to be an astronaut, but I don't have the slightest idea what it takes. I will fail, and so will anyone who is not skilled in a trade they are trying to apply.

      Phetsa Ndlangamandla - 2013-07-17 14:15

      Guys lets not get emotional here. The people are saying they only want 50% runing the mine amongst them but let me highlight the issues here. Some of you are too close to the trees to see the forest. You have minerals discovered in an area occupied by these marchers. Everyone is excited because there will be jobs for their kids but instead of the mining executives hiring locals they bring people from outside who are supposed to have the experience to do the job, be it manage a group of 10 miners underground. Now because this person managing the 10 is from another area also desparetely in need of jobs, he simply calls his area man to come work in his team and hence the locals are not hired. now suppose these small managers experienced in modeling small teams of blue collar work were 100% form outside, the nepotism that can go on there has the potential to leave the community without the jobs they had hoped for. The word on street then becomes, if we can have some of our own managing then we would be able to get jobs instead of people being sorced from afar. I can assure you that these guys are not interested in being CEO or CFO in that mine but they appreciated the prejudice carried by junior management that is not from the area. I a have been on the groud and I know the issues pepo face esp without education which we can blame a lot of people for but at the end of the day they need to feed their children too and the mine was too them an oportunity to do that.

      Phetsa Ndlangamandla - 2013-07-17 14:26

      As South Africans let us stop this habit of demanding a lot more from one race. Many blacks are not being apointed in managerial position because it is said that they may not have the experience when in actual fact most of our white counterparts got the same experience while hands on in the Job now they have the heart to block others of something they themselves never had. Let us stop this attitude before the whole country is so full of protests that its ungovernable. How do u explain millions not being able to meet the poverty line, most of them Black while the other race takes holidays and still hold the economy. Its time people come to the party instead of speaking arrogantly like Mike. For the record Mike I am one of the few who got a very Good education and believe me I know what I am talking about.

  • Senette Pietersen - 2013-07-17 11:18

    Wow!!! Seems that we will be the future zim next as everyone keep saying! Getting without any giving?! What a joke! Get a job and get off your lazy butts do something instead of thinking up stuf to mess up our country dmping it even further into the dark unknown!

  • Kaydee Booysen - 2013-07-17 11:18

    All they need is a blady good hiding

  • Richard Scully - 2013-07-17 11:19

    Demand demand demand...screw you buddies

  • anthonie.vanbosch - 2013-07-17 11:21

    "The Freedom Charter says the wealth of the land shall be shared amongst those who live in it, and now we want to have control of our land and our wealth," - What is wrong with this argument?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:24

      er - maybe you have to work for it?

      Bek - 2013-07-17 12:55

      Did Jan van Riebeeck work for his land?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:06

      Did the Koi San work for thier land. Does any man truly own any land?

      MastersVoice - 2013-07-17 13:48

      There is a difference between owning land and having meaningful employment. Owning shares in a business is also not the same thing. People earn the right to employment and ownership of business. To demand hand-outs in this regard is counter-productive. Jan van Riebeeck earned his position in the company he worked for, and in those days it meant he was entitled to owning land too. The accepted norm today is different, and reference to the past in this regard is therefore irrelevant. The reference to sharing wealth in the Freedom Charter is rather ironic too, because if we had to share all the wealth in SA today equally among all South Africans, we would in truth be sharing poverty because there is simply not enough to go around.

  • Mandla Sipho - 2013-07-17 11:21

    Ppl can just fly here loot our resources then leave us with nuthing but sarcoidosis.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 14:02

      ppl cnt jst mk cmmnts hre nd use big wrds like sarcoidosis n xpct us 2 nnerstnd.

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 14:24

      Like Patrice Motsepe?

  • Mahlatse Patience - 2013-07-17 11:22

    Do they have relevant qualifications to work in that mine?does the company have budget for extra staff?who encourage this youth to do that?we'll be like zimbabwe not so long and more 90% of people in here(SA) will be jobless.this is coming.

      Tuelo Pharasi - 2013-07-17 11:30

      @patience mahlase,,yr statement is irrelevant,,,so wen the Rich take 4rm the Poor its called business,,visa vi wen they the poor take-is called crime Pathetic if u ask me:

      Solo Mathe - 2013-07-17 11:43

      The mine was suppose to invest in training and developing the community and then hiring them. Its called social responsibility and its part of good corporate governance!!! Stop blaming the poor all the time and stop making excuses for vultures who come to africa and take...take...take...

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:44

      Tuelo, when the "poor" come into my house and "take" what i WORKED for - HELL YES, it is a CRIME!

      Michael Wilson - 2013-07-17 12:08

      Solo i agree with your point, when accompanied by a degree of reality on both sides.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:11

      vultures - Africa - take - Bob - Nkandla - Gupta - Aurora ..... hmmmm

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 12:30

      @tuelo. Do you vote ANC? Cause thats the big problem, right there. They have abandoned the freedom charter and adopted the ZANC charter."eh, i will build, a big house, for my family, and i will do it, eh, with the taxpayers monies. Furthermore, eh, I will let my friends land at military bases and, eh, redeploy corrupt cedres to parlaiment, eh, and make sure the law never catches me."

  • Danie van Rooyen - 2013-07-17 11:25


      Ralekgole Oriel Snr - 2013-07-17 11:39

      moron is u,if youth of '76 ddnt demand freedom still would b dream

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:41

      So the 'freedom' they got is working? ROFL

      Marlene Black - 2013-07-17 11:54

      Relekgole: do you think that what black people have now is freedom? This is not freedom. Freedom to work - there are no jobs, freedom to study - the qualifications are not worth the paper they are written on, freedom to buy a house wherever you want - with what are you going to buy your house? Freedom to walk with your family in the park - without being mugged or murdered. Freedom to drive your car down the road - without being hijacked. FREEDOM? I don't think so.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 13:43

      @ Alan, of course it is... they have the freedom to DEMAND!!!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:50

      so let me get this right then Cindy .. Its FREE & DOM that spells Freedom?

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 14:10

      @ Alan *giggles* which is why they like using that word so much ;)

  • Richard - 2013-07-17 11:30

    I demand a piece of Nkandla

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:35

      I demanded that first! i demand that you retract your demand.

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 12:32

      no, I demand it too, so youre both out of laaak< ne.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:44

      Solution - WE DEMAND

  • Lavisto Dogman Mavisto - 2013-07-17 11:31

    It's ryt call! But as long as they r governed by an anc government that call will a pipe dream!

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 12:33

      +1, Lavisto.

      Stephan Ludik - 2013-07-17 12:51

      So what gov is the right one? One that just give away business and monies as the people demand it? Zim tried that and where did it get them?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:08

      well - it got them from being the Jewell of Africa, to becoming it's basket case.

  • Solo Mathe - 2013-07-17 11:31

    Something needs to be done about this and other situations because this is just the beginning. These people have nothing to lose. They should have taken care to employ the locals to begin with...

      Marc Celliers - 2013-07-17 11:51

      Solo i agree with you, but maybe they should first go to the government and get them to stop allowing so many people from neighboring countries to get work/residency visa's. Any employer will rather employ a person with a valid work visa for half the salary a local will 'demand'. But if there is no other option other then to employ locals the employer will have to and it would solve may problems.

      Djmzwesh.khoza - 2013-07-17 17:31

      I'm glad u understand da atatement solo coz most ppl ar making jokes and insulting those young ppl while they misinterpreted da headline.

  • Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:32

    whahahaaaaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaa...gasp....whahahahahahaaaaaaaa...omg, i can barely contain myself!! going to wet my pants laughing!!! 11-16 year olds DEMANDING shares nogal!! whahahahaaaaaaaa!!! this is just the beginning, and it really shouldn't be funny, but oh my hat, i have no words!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:36

      Wet your pants laughing? Just because of their WEE demand?

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 11:46

      LOL Alan, you have a wicked sense of humour - I like :) Still laughing though.....and reading through the comments is not helping!

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:11


  • Pixie86 - 2013-07-17 11:33

    rubbish! build your own wealth and stop being so entitled. i'm black but i hate blacks who think they can demand what others built on the basis of being previously disadvantaged. go demand better education and economic opportunities from the anc. we are working for what we have. do the same!

      Nathan Lombard - 2013-07-17 11:51

      Amen! I inherited nothing. Everything I have, I have worked for.

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:02

      Pixie, I like you...a lot!! wish there were more blacks with the same mindset, then perhaps we wouldn't be in the dire straits we currently find ourselves in... (and i mean no offense with this statement, problem is so many of the youngsters are uneducated and have the same moral compass that juliass has, it is frightening!)

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:12

      er - his Moral Compass was made in China

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:20

      or India, Alan ;) (speaking from experience, their "quality" much worse than China's)

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:33

      Ok then - A GuptaGarmin Moral Compass it is.

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 12:34


  • Wayne Jones - 2013-07-17 11:33

    And so the ANC and Julius Malema Monster is awakened!

  • BraSteve Myaluze - 2013-07-17 11:34

    Barbeton is home to mines owned by Pan African Resources, which in turn is 25% owned by Shanduka,Ramaphosa's company. I wonder if it is one of those mines that they marched to. That would be interesting

  • Zacharia Sibanyoni - 2013-07-17 11:34

    I can not be suprised to find out that those so called youth of Barbarton are actually IFF members or rebels.

  • Mpho L Mashegoane - 2013-07-17 11:35

    Thats when the people govern,our land our its time

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:42

      Govern will never happen in SA. Loot, screw, abuse are other words you might want to try.

      Ralekgole Oriel Snr - 2013-07-17 11:49

      mpho u r 100% rite now it is tha perfect time.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:56

      The time has passed already. You are already in an inescapable road to dictatorship. The only winner is the dictator. Bottom line though people of da South No matter what you want, what you demand, what you wish for, education = poverty in the long run. Not just in SA - It's a world wide phenomenon, Philemon

      Janine Nortje - 2013-07-18 19:32

      Your land?? It's ours as much as yours!

  • Marlene Black - 2013-07-17 11:35

    Are they also going to be prepared to pay their portion of the expenses generated by the mine?

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:43

      dont be silly - that is not in the Demand Charter

  • Richard Scully - 2013-07-17 11:37

    The protestors may be a joke but its not really funny, because if it gets violent enough, and it spreads, it could shut down mining. Shut down mining in South Africa and there isn't anything else..

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 11:44

      methinks it is the hard lesson that the masses still need to learn though. Intelligent conversation and logic wont cut it foor them. Suffer baby suffer is the way of Africa.

      Shaun Cousins - 2013-07-17 11:46

      but that is the african way...

      Cindy Naude - 2013-07-17 12:03

      the educated people know this Richard, problem is, it's not the educated people that are protesting...

  • Nicole de Lancret - 2013-07-17 11:39

    I am unemployed. I am going to find the closest successful business, march there and demand my share of their wealth.

      Solly Mokoena - 2013-07-17 11:42

      Don't be stupid its the mines, the freedom chater says the wealth of the nation shall be shared.

      Ralekgole Oriel Snr - 2013-07-17 11:46

      shame on u.mines dnt renovate/build the nearst kasi,but they should

      Marlene Black - 2013-07-17 11:49

      Who carries the burden of the costs/debt of the nation? Is that also to be shared? Surely we must all share in the debts and the wealth?

      Anton Van Schalkwyk - 2013-07-17 12:48

      @solly: The Land Shall be Shared Among Those Who Work It! The state shall help the peasants with implements, seed, tractors and dams to save the soil and assist the tillers The state shall recognise the right and duty of all to work Excerpts from the Freedom charter. I didnt see anything in there about wealth will be "given away" to those who "demand" it.....

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 14:26

      Sorry Nicole, but you are not "entitled" like some people seem to think they are

  • Diran Pillay - 2013-07-17 11:41

    This is what you call, weak lazy South Africans

  • Sisie Indola - 2013-07-17 11:44

    I want! I want! but for heavens sake do not expect me to work for it - I want! I demand.

  • Pieter Johan Westhuizen - 2013-07-17 11:44

    The youth of today is the product created by the ANC No respect for anybody, not even for their parents.

  • Diran Pillay - 2013-07-17 11:47

    The mines do share their wealth, they pay their hardworking employees a salary.

      Djmzwesh.khoza - 2013-07-17 17:24

      The point here is those hard working employees 90% of dem ar not from barberton but ar from other regions like nkomazi were they bribe da officials wth cows to be employed , btn residents don't hv cows to bribe dats why dey ar not employed at da mines .its not like da youth want to own da mine but its a request dat hw abt da mine employ 70% of umjindi residents.

  • Nathan Lombard - 2013-07-17 11:54

    Reminds me of "diekontewilsweetshê"

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:09


  • Thamsanqa Macgesh Ngeshane - 2013-07-17 11:54

    white people have the technical and financial ability to do mining nd black people occupy the land whr mining cn b operated, its so embarassing and unbalanced that a mine produces millions if nt billions of rands per year bt the ppl living around those mines live in shacks nd poverty i dnt support ppl gtng money 4 nt doin "nothn" however the mine has the obligation to gv bck as it also benefits 4rm the "Africn land" no insults invited pls. open link-

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 12:19

      yah - Capitalism is a B*itch. But as there is not viable alternative that works anywhere else in the world, I guess we will just have to live with the idea of the people who invest, work, manage, and create employemnt are entitled to the rewards of their eforts, education and risk. Aside for this, they and their employyes are mega Tax contributers. No taxes, and the Govt has no money. Take away the incentive for people to create businesses - and you will have no businesses. Yah - this Capitalism .. what a Beeeaaaatch. Vote EFFluent people .. we have a better plan!

      DrGonzoSA - 2013-07-17 13:50

      Can you please point me in the direction of a mine that is making billions of rands a year, I'd like to but some shares. And you conveniently forget Motsepe, Ramaphosa, Phiri, Zim and all the other black people who have done, and are doing, rather well from the mining industry

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:52

      well Doc - to be fair - Aurora aint doing too well.

      Thamsanqa Macgesh Ngeshane - 2013-07-17 15:32

      Dr i cnt seem to gt ur point, if u hv 10 guys who hv done wel 4 thmselvs out of millions who are poor does it realy make a diffrence

  • Zimasile Zolile Silinga - 2013-07-17 11:55

    To the youth of SA, we can't just demand things all the time. Where have you ever heard of a bunch of teens owning mines? How about we educated ourselves (undergrad til PhD), then we can start demanding things. 68% are unemployed, and I'm pretty sure majority aren't educated. At the end of the day education is the ONLY way out of poverty.

      Bradley Liebenberg - 2013-07-17 12:18

      100% correct

      Susan Bonnet - 2013-07-17 13:16

      You dont need a PhD - we need plumbers, fitters and turners etc. - all good honest jobs.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 14:15

      @ Susan - only if you have a BEE in your Bonnet

  • Joe Mangena - 2013-07-17 11:58

    This is interesting & it must happen in other places like Phalaborwa in Limpopo...People on the move

  • Binne Goed - 2013-07-17 11:58

    Why does Malema and his ilk think they own the land? I don't understand this.

      Alan Gernet - 2013-07-17 13:19

      ummm dunno - greed? ulterior motives? No - cant be. Not in SA.

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