Alli rejects fuel levy to fund roads
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Alli rejects fuel levy to fund roads

2014-11-06 20:15

Johannesburg - Ninety-nine percent of travelling on South Africa's road network happened outside the tolled Gauteng roads, Sanral CEO Nazir Alli said on Thursday.

"Ninety-nine percent of the overall national vehicle kilometres are not travelled on this road network," he told the e-tolls review panel in Pretoria.

The panel was appointed by Gauteng premier David Makhura in July to examine the economic and social impact of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) and the electronic tolling system to fund it.

He said using the fuel levy, which opponents of the e-toll system had suggested be increased to fund the roads, was neither adequate, equitable, nor efficient.

"Are we going to get these guys [non-Gauteng residents] over here to fund us over here in Gauteng?" he asked.

"Is it always going to be this thing... we say everybody lives off everyone else? Is that what we going to be promoting? Or are we going to be looking at things differently?"

According to the SA National Roads Agency Limited's (Sanral) projections, by 2023 an additional R5.87 would need to be added to the provincial fuel levy to fund road maintenance and expansion.

Comments
  • Jan Hendrik - 2014-11-06 20:19

    Gauteng only has 1% of the cars in this country? and here I thought it was the financial heartland of Africa.

      Jan Hendrik - 2014-11-06 20:23

      "Ninety-nine percent of the overall national vehicle kilometres are not travelled on this road network," Bending and twisting of facts to suit your need ftw :D

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:24

      Initially Scamrail said e-tolls was to pay for the Gauteng Improvement Project.Yet they wanted to implement the troll system countrywide.They would have already in Cape Town,had the DA not stop them with a court order

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:27

      What about the two new roads built to Nkandla in the last 5 years.NOT TOLLED.The cost there was more than R500 Million.How was that financed?

      Koos Luerre - 2014-11-06 20:31

      "Fuel levy is not efficient" And the e-toll is? A system that will cost some R30 billion to raise R30 billion. With a fuel levy, there will be zero collection cost. The real issue is that well connected comrade cadres will loose out on a fuel levy. We are not idiots Mr Alli

      TheOldCynical - 2014-11-06 20:32

      What about the rest of the roads in SA. Where does the money come from to maintain them? Taxes? Levies? Does the taxes and levies from Gauteng contribute to that? Doe you think the rest of us are fools? You know mister alie, you can kiss my alie.

      Rustic - 2014-11-06 20:43

      This is all about the Gauteng Middle-Class paying for the rest of the country's inadequate funding - that and the attendant corruption.

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:47

      Remember it is a indefinite system,It is forever and forever.So it works like this. Step1-Kapsch pay the bribes for the right to milk us forever Step2-Kapsch take profits out of the country as long as ZANC is in power.They made one mistake,they thought the people of Gauteng are sheep and milk cows

      NickvanGraan - 2014-11-06 20:47

      The arrogance continues, don't cry when your next dreaded downgrade comes...

      Andre Brink - 2014-11-06 20:53

      For once I agree with this gentleman. I live in Cape Town. I most definitely don't want to pay extra for fuel to fund Gauteng's roads. I never drive on them. I never go there. Why should I be made to pay?

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 21:06

      Andre Brink.I want to ask you very nicely now.Are you aware that Scamrail would have already implemented e-trolls in the Western Cape if it was not for the DA that stopped them with a court order?

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 21:08

      Andre Brink.If it was not for the DA there would be gantries on the N1 and N2 right now.The DA kept them out with a court order so far.

      NickvanGraan - 2014-11-06 21:20

      @Andre Brink. Are you aware that around 50% of National individual taxation is paid by Gauteng residents? The majority of VAT is also paid in this province, this to the benefit of you in the Western Cape, and the other provinces. You paying for roads you "don't drive on" would be a tiny little contribution compared to the contributions and benefits you get from Gauteng tax.

      Dave Scott - 2014-11-06 21:30

      Andre Brink the cost of fuel differs in every province,Gauteng Freeways will be funded by Gauteng's Fuel levy and not all the other provinces.

      Theo Dor - 2014-11-06 22:24

      And Andre Brink from the Western Cape agrees He does not want to pay fuel levy but he benefits from the taxes paid from the Gautengers. My friend you are next the ANC milked the cow dry and believe me they are looking for something else to milk. So Zilles cow looks fat enough to be next in line.

      Nico van der Merwe - 2014-11-07 05:05

      @Andre and others: careful! These clowns are trying to divide opposition against eToll by creating "Gauteng against The Rest". Do NOT fall for this trick. The debate is not whether Gauteng pay for the rest or vice versa. It is about tax money being misappropriated. NOBODY needs to pay more if we have efficient government. The ANC is staying in power by the same trick. Before elections they play apartheid films to scare the voters. By keeping the "white against black" thing alive, opposition against the ANC will always fail. Only two things ever united the nation : Rugby World Cup 1995 and Opposition against eToll.

      Tanya Dixon - 2014-11-07 06:05

      Please remember Gauteng contributes the largest amount to the tax coffers, which means other provinces have benefitted more than from their relative tax pool. But then as another user pointed out dont let them divides us in this issue.

  • Jan Hendrik - 2014-11-06 20:21

    I have private medical aid... where to I apply for my tax refund? I do not get it from SARS.

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:24

      This is about e-trolls.

      Jan Hendrik - 2014-11-06 20:28

      Irony seems to be lost on you.

  • Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:22

    Look out who is defending e-trolls now.They were the ones who were in on the deal when Kapsch paid the bribes.

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 21:09

      E-trolls,arms deal and the coming R1 Trillion Russian nuclear deal have something in common.It is how ZANC is making money out of us.Politicians take their cut and 10% goes to ZANC as a party.The only way to stop it,is to not pay for it

      gerasimos - 2014-11-06 21:18

      The e tolls debacle is the the beginning of the taxpayers revolt. Thank you SANRAL for being the catalyst! Next will be the ratepayers and then VAT and Income taxes.

  • Rajesan Naiker - 2014-11-06 20:24

    Load of BS...just so sick of these clowns...=N

      Made-inthe South - 2014-11-06 20:28

      E-trolls are dead.RIP E-trolls.ETC[Toll Collections] has laid off its staff.There is now nobody working on collections and from now on e-trolls payments are completely voluntary. Those that still fund the corrupt ZANC pocket lining troll system ,ZANC thank you. I bet you guys still paying feel like milk cows every time you pass under those gantries

  • David Katz - 2014-11-06 20:30

    99 % of countries taxes from gauteng. Why do we share this with the rest of the country. Double standards when we need them.

  • leon.vry - 2014-11-06 20:30

    Do they really think that ordinary hardworking citizens are all stupid and ignorant and can be manipulated with mis-information????

  • Lara Williams - 2014-11-06 20:36

    More than 50% of taxes collected are in Gauteng yet our money is used in the rest of the country and have to fork out additional money for school fees, rates and taxes, e-tolls. We don't benefit from our taxes the rest of SA does.

  • Hamish Leslie Drake - 2014-11-06 20:41

    The numbers are complete rubbish. It would take 10c per litre to pay the debt plus interest.

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 06:42

      Scumral doesn't want the general public to know that - it shoots down all their arguments against a fuel levy. Notice, too, the deafening silence on where the present fuel levy payments go.

  • dclangley - 2014-11-06 20:43

    Kaapac's exact same system failed in Portugal failed for exactly the same reasons it's failing here. The public got pissed off with being ripped off. Sanral can pay any amount of professors to try and convince us otherwise.

  • Pieter Landman - 2014-11-06 20:44

    Yip. Because it will not line his pockets. Oh my mistake.... his pockets have been lined. Payback time Alli. They're gonna break your fingers........ if you're lucky. ?....

  • Anthony Richardson - 2014-11-06 20:48

    Why should we pay antything additional? We pay taxes, VAT, fuel levy, levies on our annual license fees, etc? Surely that is enough to maintain or roads? ADMIN, why did you delete my question as to why the new road to Nkandla isn't tolled?

      John Stoltz - 2014-11-07 07:01

      Anthony, there will be enough money, only if the administrators of the funds are not thieves!! Does anyone comes to mind??(Like the ANC Gov perhaps??)

  • Pat Aldrich - 2014-11-06 20:48

    Now they want to steal. 5 per litre skelms

  • Pat Aldrich - 2014-11-06 20:48

    Now they want to steal. 5 per litre skelms

  • Khutso Bokaba - 2014-11-06 20:54

    Then all taxes collected in GP should remain in GP...! He doesn't sound like a CEO

  • frikkie.d.lange - 2014-11-06 20:54

    99% of SA's roads taxed twice by SANRAL. Boooooooooo! Pay back the money! lol

  • Andre Van Zyl - 2014-11-06 20:55

    Alli, no e-tolls, no job for you...

  • Isebel Botha - 2014-11-06 20:57

    Poverty is going to get worse. Everybody thats paying tax is already suffering in this country. Why must we get milked for everything. I stil say Alli WE WIL NOT PAY!!!.

  • Naomi Trollip - 2014-11-06 20:57

    Come on Alli, you think the public are all idiots. Before Zuma the fuel levy did just fine for road maintenance. Their are too many in our stuffed up government looking too dig deep into others pockets. Why should we pay if the government doed not even pay their etoll account

  • Tyronne Jardim - 2014-11-06 20:58

    Who does this idiot think he is .....main question that should be asked ...where did the money go that sanral made from 1994 up to now ?....so many roads with potholes , robots do not work ...etc .....does this twit Ali expect people to believe his garbage ...anyway after all who can believe anything said by this government ...all liars and thieves .

      Nico van der Merwe - 2014-11-07 04:47

      Same place where money for Eskom upgrades went.

      Hoenderma Neek - 2014-11-07 07:35

      Hang on a moment - did they not use a certain pension fund monies to build this etoll infrastructure? When are these people who have had their pension money misappropriated going to wake up and start squealing I wonder? And when will the heads start to roll?

  • Rollingstone Brown - 2014-11-06 21:13

    ma r eeete

  • gerasimos - 2014-11-06 21:15

    SANRAL\Etolls is just the beginning of a taxpayers revolt against a regime that has wasted the resources of this country. Wait till ratepayers and businesses start withholding tax due to the mismanagement of the country. Believe me it is coming. Why should we pay tax when this thieving government waste our hard earned cash......and for what?

  • brendon.mokwena - 2014-11-06 21:20

    For your information Alibaba, Gauteng contribute 60% of the counties fund which is spent across the country I think it's only fair that they give something back as well. These tolls are expensive either way like it or not WE WILL NOT PAY FOR NYOSO!!!

      denise.coates.98 - 2014-11-07 06:54

      And the 40 thieves

  • Clinton - 2014-11-06 21:22

    But my petrol levy goes towards paying for roads in the Cape, KZN and Putsonderwater. So what's the problem? South African roads are for all South Africans

  • Clinton - 2014-11-06 21:22

    But my petrol levy goes towards paying for roads in the Cape, KZN and Putsonderwater. So what's the problem? South African roads are for all South Africans

  • Jeff Baxter - 2014-11-06 22:03

    Flog a dead horse all you want.

  • Herman van Huyssteen - 2014-11-06 22:04

    Let's see what the people thinks by having a national referendum on e tolling - not just Gauteng but national e tolling as per ANC plan.

  • Jeff Baxter - 2014-11-06 22:05

    Flog a dead horse all you want.

  • Jeff Baxter - 2014-11-06 22:07

    Flog a dead horse all you want.

  • amadeus.geldenhuys - 2014-11-06 22:07

    En so sien hy sy Alli.

  • Jeff Baxter - 2014-11-06 22:08

    Flog a dead horse all you want.

  • Phillip De Waal - 2014-11-06 22:10

    Has it ever occured to these idiots to only apply the fuel levy to fuel purchased in Gauteng and not to the whole country?

      Theo Dor - 2014-11-06 22:29

      And also the tax Gauteng tax stay there. Anything from Gauteng supplied to other provinces will carry the burden at a margin. Phillip talking about idiots

      Doug Logan - 2014-11-07 06:22

      A step too far for there brains

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 06:50

      They don't want the public to ask awkward questions like that!

  • AndyOG - 2014-11-06 22:20

    Sorry, it's not for you to reject.

  • maraisl - 2014-11-06 22:27

    Were is the numbers to back up their claim? Oh wait we must just believe Alli...

  • mica gogome - 2014-11-06 22:47

    What's the matter here?it has been a fuel levy ever since before the etol.And why etol now?what went wrong?

      Werner Nel - 2014-11-07 02:35

      Anc...

  • Frans Mosia - 2014-11-06 23:59

    Will fuel levy be a fair, viable and affordable technique. Already fuel is expensive and people who do not use the etolls roads will be paying for them through fuel levy.

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 06:54

      The fuel levy is a better system for all. It can be ring fenced, regardless of Scumral's argument against. In any case, where do you think the funds for the whole country's roads come from?

  • Viman Singh - 2014-11-07 00:23

    Gauteng is nothing without the coastal cities and its harbours. Gauteng benefits more from other provinces then it looses. It's not wise for the under developed country to pay for developed Gauteng

      Nico van der Merwe - 2014-11-07 04:40

      Viman, you will be relieved about a fuel levy when these idiots start tolling your neck of the woods, in stead of using all the other excessive taxes we pay allready..

      Kgomotso Pege - 2014-11-07 10:55

      Viman, you're welcome to move back to India.

  • Viman Singh - 2014-11-07 00:24

    Theo is the biggest idiot. Most stupid person. As Gauteng is only a powerhouse brcause of the other provinces. Alone Gauteng means nothing.

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 06:56

      You have a hang up about Gauteng. Get rid of it and contribute meaningfully to the arguments against e-tolls raised here.

  • Kobus Pienaar - 2014-11-07 01:09

    Gauteng residents' taxes help pay for the other 99% of the roads. How is a feul levy to pay for gauteng roads different? No logic present in these idiots. They still think we are stupid sheep that will just believe everything they sell, like the people still voting for the ANC does.

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 06:57

      Unfortunately, the anc knows that their supporters are mentally deficient when it comes to voting.

  • ivan.marsh.37 - 2014-11-07 03:31

    Ali is a self serving stubborn p***k who thinks he can make national decisions on behalf of all South Africans. As far as fuel levy is concerned, remember that the plan is to expand toll roads nationally so eventually all drivers in all provinces will be contributing to their own and other provinces roads.

  • venessa.ede - 2014-11-07 04:48

    In 2009, Gauteng used approximately 6.3 billion liters of petrol and diesel, @ R5,87 extra per liter that translates to R36,9 billion. I'm sure the fuel usage has increased since 2009, who are they trying to fool?!?!

  • Sandra Brown - 2014-11-07 05:44

    More lies about etolls.

  • Chris Du Preez - 2014-11-07 05:51

    No way I'm gonna pay for someone else driving on a fancy road

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 07:01

      You're a taxpayer. You pay for all the anc's wasteful expenditure, whether you like it or not!

      denise.coates.98 - 2014-11-07 07:05

      Nothing fancy about them. Zuuuma son hit a "puddle" spun his car and hit a taxi killing people

  • Doug Logan - 2014-11-07 06:20

    The real reason is the 6 billion "collection/admin " for the thieves that will not be available to them and no job for ALI

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 07:02

      ....and no opportunity for skimming off the fuel levy - or at least, not as much!

  • Ryan Styles - 2014-11-07 06:36

    What a tosser! The entire user-pay principle does not make sense when applied generally to National infrastructure projects. What happens if a small town in the eastern cape (population 15000) needs a new bridge for the town commerce and industries to grow? With user-pay, the town does not have enough occupants to make the cost of building the new bridge viable. the cost of a new bridge is also out of reach for the local council. Is the town doomed to die as it stays cut off from the rest of the country? The National government pays for the bridge to be built. That means that people in JHB, Pta, Durban, Limpopo contribute to the payment for the bridge. Nazir Alli is a lier and a thief.

  • drik.hoskin - 2014-11-07 06:41

    Is it impossible in this age of computers to have a fuel levy in only Gauteng for example ?

      Clive Cellarius - 2014-11-07 07:05

      There already is a working system in place - you pay more for fuel in Jhb than Durban, for instance. All Botswana's fuel comes via Durban, but they still sell it for less than in SA!

  • John Stoltz - 2014-11-07 06:59

    Mr Alli you are right, let Gauteng pay for the e-tolls with the money that they give to the other provinces to support their budgets!! Then we can even pay Gauteng motorists to use the toll roads!! I am still waiting for a wise comment from you sir !!

  • Hlathi Jambase - 2014-11-07 07:07

    I think Mr allie as well as the "empty think tanks" failed to consider the populace when they came up with etolls. Therefore Mr allie needs to do the honourable thing and resign. If that's not possible, his entire salary as well as that of the government ministers can be used to pay back the etolls. The cheek!!!

  • Altus Kirsten - 2014-11-07 07:18

    In their DNA to be corrupt.

  • Martin De Kock - 2014-11-07 08:09

    What is the problem 5.5 % of the fuel price is taxed to build and maintain roads,the people who have the funds are use it to give themselves perforamnce bonusses ,little goes to roads

  • shaun.terbruggen - 2014-11-07 08:19

    Nasty Alli, I too have passed Professional Selling Skills 3. You are using the 'reduction to the ridiculous' technique which will not cut the mustard in this instance, dear chap. The fact is that eTolling is irrational, ill conceived and unconstitutional in the extreme. Best you ask your political masters to bail you out as Gauteng motorists clearly will not participate in your scam nor will they be bullied by the vitriol you keep spewing out.

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