ANC: Mines grab not policy

2011-06-20 16:34

Johannesburg - Resolutions of the recent ANC Youth League (ANCYL) congress which ended on Sunday did not alter the ANC policies being implemented at government level, the ruling party said on Monday afternoon.

"We want to state unequivocally that the ANCYL resolutions remain those of the League and do not alter ANC policies being implemented at government level," said ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu in a statement.

The ANC statement was issued after agricultural unions on Monday raised serious concerns about ANCYL president Julius Malema's talk of taking land without compensation.

Mthembu said pronouncements by the ANCYL on matters such as the nationalisation of mines and land redistribution formed part of ongoing discussions within the ruling party.

"These have already been shared at numerous political platforms, which include last year's national general council held in Durban."

Mthembu said the ANC had established the ANCYL as an integral part of the ANC and that it existed as an autonomous structure.

Angry reaction

Agri SA and the Transvaal Agricultural Union (TAU) reacted angrily to Malema's vow to "take land without payment", warning of dire food safety and foreign investor confidence consequences.

The African Farmers Association of SA (Afasa), which represents emerging black farmers, said it wanted to work with the government and traditional white agricultural groups to create job security, employment and food security.

"We are trying to find a way forward. A common, united voice from white and black farmers. We want to go to government with one voice and talk one language," Afasa president Mike Mlengana told Sapa.

"That language should be about the commercial viability of agricultural production in South Africa, so that we are both domestically efficient and so that we can compete globally.

"We are for sustaining the economy, not destroying it," said Mlengana.

He did not want to comment specifically on Malema's call for an end to the willing buyer, willing seller policy, but would rather stick with the land policy discussions the association was already having with the government and other agricultural bodies.

"We can't comment every time a politician says, 'I will do that', it can annoy and confuse the various stakeholders."

Agri SA deputy president Theo de Jager was less diplomatic.

"It is true that land reform has not worked... not for the beneficiaries, not for the farmers and not for government, but no one has the guts to stand up and say it is because of the poor way it has been implemented by the land affairs department.

"It is not the willing seller part that has failed, it is the willing buyer part, because it was the job of totally incapable and inexperienced youngsters to close deals to buy land."

De Jager said that about 30% of the country's land is currently state-owned.

"And that is the most unproductive and neglected land in our country. Why do they now want to go and mess with a sector in the economy that is creating jobs?

"What kind of democracy would expect 37 000 individual farmers to pick up the bill for land reform?"

De Jager said Agri SA was meeting with the Landless Peoples Movement on Monday afternoon to discuss how the two organisations could work together on land reform.

The movement said it would issue a statement later on Monday.

TAU president Ben Marais described Malema's comments as "insanity".

"I think it is scandalous that a person would make such comments, that so many people support him and that the government allows it.

"Once a person starts making such insane comments, he sends out a message to the rest of the world that South Africa is going down the same path of Zimbabwe and that land ownership does not exist. It is this kind of talk that kills job creation on farms and mines," said Marais.

Aggrey Mahanjana, chairperson of the National Emergent Redmeat Producers Organisation, said he believed it would be "totally unfair" to take land without compensation.

"We won't support that. We still believe there are many ways of getting land to the black farmers without really injuring the current owners of land, whether black or white.

"We don't believe a farmer must hand over his land. That will be totally unfair," Mahanjana told Sapa.

He said he requested a meeting on Monday morning with the government to ask it about Malema's comments at the closing ceremony of the ANCYL conference on Sunday, where he was re-elected leader.

Malema warned ruling party leaders they must either follow league policies - which included land grabs - or face removal from office. He has in the past accused whites of being criminals for stealing land.

The agriculture department told Sapa it would be only be available for comment late on Monday afternoon.

Opposition grows

Business Unity SA said it would issue a statement later, while the office of Herbert Mkhize, of the National Economic Development and Labour Council (Nedlac), said it would not comment.

ANC spokesperson Mthembu said the ANC "was not in the habit" of commenting on speeches, but would later on Monday issue a statement "commenting broadly on the conference".

Opposition leader Helen Zille wrote on social networking site Twitter that she had received a wave of messages.

Her reply: "I have rec'vd a tweet tsunami re Julius Malema. My response is: don't worry. He will be a catalyst for the political realignment SA needs."

Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom tweeted on Saturday: "Whatever YL says, expropriation of land without compensation is not ANC policy, and along with many others, I'll never support it. Never."

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe on Sunday called for the debate around land reform to remain "within the constitutional framework".


  • Gorilla - 2011-06-20 16:39

    It seems by the article that they did not rule out the prospect. Your quote reads; "Pronouncements by the youth league on such matters as the nationalisation of mines and land redistribution - among others - form part of ongoing discussions within the movement," the ANC said in a statement. "ongoing discussions" there lies the rub.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-06-21 08:52

      yip, its not policy nooooowww but we not ruling it out either. Keeping the hammer over businesses head while wiping the sweat off the brow. What is the conclusion , either they are so scared of malema they cannot stick to constitutional principles or they smoothing things over now but its future policy .

  • JewelZA - 2011-06-20 16:41

    Don't tell us, tell the ANCYL. Govt has failed on the fundamentals now the ANCYL seems to see this as the only answer

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-06-20 16:43

    If they make this policy I will leave SA. I have two degrees and want to live in a country where hard work and intelligence are financially rewarded, whilst the poor are still taken care of. I don't want to live in a backward negative growing nationalised nation.

  • Andrew - 2011-06-20 16:47

    Well, then bring this young man to order!

  • Andreas - 2011-06-20 16:47

    then why don't you tell the ANCYL to stop discussing economics until they done their degree or know what they are talking about. This propaganda of the ANCYL no one needs, it only divides. Put a cork on it. The ANCYL should concentrate on developing policies for the future of the youth and stay out of big boys politics

      WC Republic - 2011-06-21 08:32

      To all you business big shots Just a little thought for all you out there. Use it don't use it. What if farmers or land owners in South Africa form a lobby group and do a little bargaining with the SA government. We give up land in SA, a sizable portion let's say 80%, but in return the SA government must allow and officially recognize the forming of a sovereign state, the independent state of the Western Cape. Perhaps the borders of the Western Cape could even be extended in the bargaining process. Let's say it's like the Great Trek in reverse. What do you think? Just imagine, it could be the new land of opportunity. 2 Million new immigrants, many qualified and a huge expantion of the new country's economy

  • JMan - 2011-06-20 16:48

    This is the complete article? After THAT BIG heading?

  • abrham - 2011-06-20 16:49

    yeah, right

  • masiarodney - 2011-06-20 16:49

    Malema wit mad mind

  • Mnr. Smith - 2011-06-20 16:51

    ANCYL's got the ANC by the short and curly, lets face it.

      Creeky - 2011-06-21 08:23

      That means they can grab them anywhere... ROFLMAO!!!

      greatgodpan - 2011-06-21 12:09

      that may or may not be so but the youth they do not have the rest of us by the short and curlies......and never will.

  • Sentor - 2011-06-20 16:55

    On-going discussions???? Whether or not they can get away with widespread theft.

  • GT - 2011-06-20 16:56

    So they are discussing it. They still have not realised that history around the globe shows nothing but ABJECT FAILURE in every country it has ever been attempted. Please could someone in the ANC provide and example of where, when and how it has worked. (except for a social issue like health care)

      Clive25 - 2011-06-21 08:17

      botswana, usa are examples where nationalisation is working

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-06-20 16:56

    of course you do. And Malema must test the ground for the anc, that we also know

  • clark - 2011-06-20 16:56

    - The Anc is playing games with us. They always come out with a denial after a Malema outburst, but never caution the little fatboy. You'd think they'd be reading from the same page on issues as important as this. Odds on that Malema will shout the same thing in the very near future.

      Creeky - 2011-06-21 08:26

      How does Govt think it will be CREATING 5 m Jobs in the next 5 years with the PLUMP BOY chasing the possible INVESTORS AWAY???? Surely there HAS TO BE SOMEONE in Govt that can read between the lines!!!!!!!!

  • Dan Grey - 2011-06-20 16:57

    The ANC doing what it does best. Double speak. Grabbing the mines is not policy they say now, but wait for the next time Malema utters this and you'll see the same ANC leaders standing next to him and not one will then mention that it isn't ANC policy.

  • John - 2011-06-20 16:58

    And the land grabs?

  • SenseSeeker - 2011-06-20 17:02

    Mr. Titanic (M@Lema) The iceberg is getting closer....

  • LBS - 2011-06-20 17:02

    This comment by the ANC doesn't say much to ease our minds!

  • hans.zimmer5000 - 2011-06-20 17:05

    who must we believe now ?

  • Garden_Route - 2011-06-20 17:07

    The day the ANC nationalises banks is the day 95% of its customers will remove their deposits - go ahead I dare you. I hate the banks as much as I hate the Government - you deserve each other.

  • malcolm - 2011-06-20 17:10

    OK and what about "Land grabs"? Is this issue not being discussed because it is "not policy" or because Julius is free to go ahead with them? Why not reject these ludicrous statements out of hand rather than discuss them as any moves in that direction will surely spell disaster for South Africa!!

  • SteynaPriest - 2011-06-20 17:10

    who is the ANC trying to fool - us or themselves.. Julius Malema is not just busy with a in-house discussion.. wake up and smell the coffee!

  • LBS - 2011-06-20 17:11

    This comment by the ANC does not much to ease our minds!

  • George - 2011-06-20 17:13

    The ANC is afraid of Malema, why does the spokesperson hid name? As indicated before, the ANC should build strong educational infrastructure, root out endemic corruption, spend public money wisely on developmental projects and stop all these failed economic fantasies. If land is taken away by force and mines get nationalised the international reaction will be swift. The rand will crumble, inflation will rise, disinvestment will follow, huge cash outflows will take root, resulting in more unemployment, poverty and crime for black people. What will anyone do with farms if they get taken? It is not as if SA has productive undercapacity on the farms. I am black but this is getting crazy by the day. We need a strong government that can invest in areas where there are no skills, knowledge based ICT inductries. The ANC has over 65% of the electorate yet it fails to govern and provide direction. Imagine how much money billions could have been used for education and development instead of buying armaments through corruption. Black SA still use the bucket system in some townships. People do not have sanitation, or a roof over their heads. We cannot blame white people for these things because, for over 18 years we rule the country. Why not we build our own cities from scratch. Why not we develop our own things that all SA can be proud of instead of making white people scapegoats. As blacks we inherited an advanced intact country from white people. We inherited Africa's biggest economy.

  • Kobus - 2011-06-20 17:22

    The ANCYL has the ANC and South Africa by the nuts. It is hell-bent on destroying the economy; they believe that if they cannot be rich, then the those who are should be destroyed (equality??). There is simply no logic involved in their thought processes; indeed, it is all about blind revenge. There is no tomorrow with these people.

  • vince muller - 2011-06-20 17:24

    Malema, you want a Zim, go live there. Don't change the subject. We still need to know about the weapon transaction and where all the municipality money went to? The masses must know why they live in poverty, and the comrades in luxuary.

  • gregory.f.dean - 2011-06-20 17:24

    Who is ruling the Country? The ANC or the ANCYL? Surely the Youth League should operate in terms of the ANC and its policies. The utterances suggest that the ANCYL is not accountable. If this continues, this is likely to impact on Investment from outside the country in the medium to long term.

  • SeanJ - 2011-06-20 17:26

    cant read comments!!

  • Thandiwe83 - 2011-06-20 17:27

    ANC put your money where your mouth is. Kick Malema out for continually talking against constitution and ANC policy!

  • theprodigy - 2011-06-20 17:28

    ANC.. prepare for a militant, intollerant, arrogant backlash from Inkwenkwe. Your spoilt babies ego has grown out of control. Malema is modelling himself on a combination of the following: 1)Conrade Mugabe dictatorship, land grabs, personal wealth & hate of the imperialists, 2) Comrade Gudaffis militancy, oppression, dictatorship, personal oil wealth & hate for the West, 3) the latest populratist arab revolts against their governments (ironical since they are revolting against dictators). His plan is to use a combination of these to take over power (coup if necessary) & implement his bizare & rediculous policies, all the while using militancy & popularist rhetoric to get what he wants. The ANC are finally starting to realise the problem they have caused for themselves. Its a bit like the way they handled crime, 1st they dismissed white fears & warnings of crime getting out of hand, then they told whites to leave if they dont like the crime, then crime really got out of hand & black people became the worst victims, only then did they start doing something, General Cele intoroduced heavyhanded tacticts, the shoot to kill, remember that, now police brutality is a problem & the causes of crime are all still there, plus a few extra (including the ANCYL incitement to violence & murder).

  • Lasi - 2011-06-20 17:30

    Obvious the journalist is not neutral, interviewed only people who oppose nationalisation. Reuters please we know you

  • deidre.swanepoel - 2011-06-20 17:34

    yeah anc and how are you gonna stop that, you cant even stop that big mouth youth leader of you, we will just sit back and look on as you begin to turn sa into the second zimbabwe. your youth is busy destroying everything nelson mandela stood for, and you are incapable to do anything, you are incapable to rule over your own youth, let alone rule our country.

  • HONKY101 - 2011-06-20 17:34

    Hanekom, we need you in the DA mate, WTF are you doing in the company of Malema, that goes for you Trevor and also you Tokyo !!!

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-06-20 17:42

    Then tell him to start his own political party if his policies are not ANC policies.

  • Just Someone - 2011-06-20 17:42

    And we all know it is just a bunch of lies. How many times did the ANC say they won't follow a certain route, just to follow it. Malema says something, everyone unhappy, ANC says don't worry, Malema gets his way. He is a racist little idiot bound to let history in South Africa repeat itself. The only move the ANC can do now to make investors start investing again after todays announcement is disband the ANCYL in total. ANCYL is the same as the AWB in the old government, just with government backing from the ANC. So, ANC, break ties or loose the next elections. Easy as that

  • Deon K - 2011-06-20 17:43

    Do something about you youth league!

  • CdnMoose - 2011-06-20 17:43

    Let's not run around being scared by this bogeyman. The necessary powers ( i.e. the guys with the money) will sort this clown out in their own time. First will be some scandel, probably relating to Malema's sexual orientation. Then additional information regarding corrupt practices or outright theft. THen finally, proof that he stole from the very ANCYL he leads, and the trap will be closed.....and then he will be that voice in the wilderness. People with real power and wealth know exactly how to deal with demagogues such as this. If I was JM, I'd be worried about some " accident" befalling me, or that one of my inner circle is about to betray me...because as sure as God made little green apples, he has skeletons in his closet...and someone will reveal these at the right this space...

  • Goedgedacht - 2011-06-20 17:47

    Mine and land grab not policy......yet.

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  • George - 2011-06-20 17:56

    It is very obvious that Malema is not speaking on behalf of the youth league. His so called followers are people that have bought into the lie that Malema is selling them. A better life... His actions clearly speak of a desperate man that will do anything to gain power and riches. He will kill and destroy anything that comes in his way to reach his goals. It is purely about the individual, not the masses. The biggest tragedy is that our president, Jacob Zuma is allowing this. Mediocrity cannot be tolerated on this matter.

      JustMe - 2011-06-23 12:11

      Doesn't it make you think of Hitler hmmm. He started as a joke like this blaber mouth and look what he did...and I'm black

  • call a spade - 2011-06-20 17:56

    "Mthembu said the ANC had established the ANCYL as an integral part of the ANC and that it existed as an autonomous structure" An intergral part of the anc existing as an autonomous structure. Sorry Jackson I do not understand your and logic. In the mean time Malema is doing an excellent job of alienating black people from the anc. Do not fear his sayings. He do not have it in his pants to take one farm, this is not Zimbabwe, he will encounter a different kind of white animal. Like all bullies he is a coward at heart.

  • Nuck Choris - 2011-06-20 18:11

    What is going on with your comments section. Is it bee run or what. It must be the worst/tardiest around the net.

  • The Real Witch - 2011-06-20 18:13

    Sign the petition!

  • PANNEVIS - 2011-06-20 18:14

    How can you believe the ANC when they (including zuma) sits on the same stage while these statements are made? Don't be fooled. Politicians will sell us out again.

  • jock van wyk - 2011-06-20 18:17

    The ANC does not have a policy at all besides lining the pockets of its cronies.

  • Just Someone - 2011-06-20 18:46

    Malema belongs behind bars. He must not have contact with a living soul since he corrupts and defiles everything he touches/talks to. Zuma, grow some and take care of this child. Disband the ANCYL and those that resist, throw them in jail. Then, white/black/indian/coloured can live together at last to resolve the issues like grown ups. Believe me, I am sure the farmers will be much more co-operative if you show them you are prepared to fight for their rights as well. After all, they are also South Africans and helped just as much as everyone else, if not more, to build South Africa to the success it is now (or, was a while ago)

  • Iceman77 - 2011-06-20 19:56

    strong property rights are fundamental to any nation that wants to be able to grow and enhance welfare. We are in for trouble...

      ProudAfrican - 2011-06-20 23:16

      "Thandiwe83 - June 20, 2011 at 16:43 Report comment If they make this policy I will leave SA. I have two degrees and want to live in a country where hard work and intelligence are financially rewarded, whilst the poor are still taken care of. I don't want to live in a backward negative growing nationalised nation." As for you Thandiwe we don't care about your Degrees,you are not alone with that particular Education,We are here with our Masters and so forth,So we don't need people like you,We right next to you and silent for that matter ,not that we are not reading all this racist comments from White Bloggers.But we are actually pushing for open debate on this issue of LAND & MINES.

  • Mike - 2011-06-21 00:28

    I believe that opposition leader must be grinning.Malema is the best PRO for her party and a freebe at that. Mr Malema is driving ANC support to opposition parties.I believe Western Cape ANC officials have already kissed there chances of any success goodbye in future elections...Capitilization should have been part of the negotiations in 1990 .A deal where effective transformation process with future free market commitment agreed by all the parties then was the answer. We missed out on an opportunity and will pay the price. ANC supporters need to wake up understand that civil unrest is inevitable and many lives are going to be lost unnecessarily. Our future lies in hands of ALL youth working together for democracy. Where color is not a criteria and power is never the goal..We can do it.Its never to late.There must be a sane promising young Mandela somewhere. ANCYL earn your right to be part of the future through embracing the guiding principles of our flag and anthem."A rainbow nation where all are important and minorities rights are protected" The silence of the ruling party to the rants and ravings of Mr Malema is deafening. I believe there is enough common sense amongst all South Africans who realize this is not what we deserve as equal citizens.Stand up and fight like the UDF did and defied all with its united power where creed religion gender or race had no part.We did it once.We will do it again. The world saw our united abilty last year..Viva South Africa

  • Anarchist - 2011-06-21 08:56

    Its not the ANC policy YET he states .... mmmmmm and then they say JUB JUB will become President in 2016 General Elections, as he says its already been decided. So then Nationalisation will go ahead full steam

  • MacTheBoer - 2011-06-21 12:15

    The very same Derek Hanekom mooted it in the run up to 1994.......

  • umlaut - 2011-06-21 15:12

    If the anc has a policy that the ancyl can say what they want to say and they do so under the flag of the anc, then it is seen as anc policy. If they cannot control the public image of their own party- how can they control a COUNTRY??? Public matters like land grabs etc. must then be discussed behind closed doors and they must have co-ordination of anc policy statements. If they don't agree let the rebels form their own party with their own policy. The anc is messing up on all levels.

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