Lonmin tables new wage offer

2012-09-14 20:15

Johannesburg - Platinum producer Lonmin on Friday night tabled a second wage offer to striking workers.

Rock drill operators (RDO) were offered a R1 875 increase and underground workers R1 321 more.

"A3 graded workers [general workers] will get R9 485 increased from R8 164... " the company said in a statement. "A4 graded workers [RDOs] will get an increase from R9 063 to R10 938."

Workers downed tools more than four weeks ago, demanding a salary increase of R12 500.

The first wage offer of a R900 increase across the board was rejected by workers earlier on Friday.

Unions had not yet decided on the second offer and consultation on it was to resume on Monday at 10:00, the company said.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-14 20:21

    Fire them losers! If you give in now next week they will strike again!

      lownabester - 2012-09-14 20:35

      True, Lots of people will give their lives for those jobs. We have enough unemployed people begging for work.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-14 20:53

      The time calls for automation...yes you heard it right. Fire the lot and replace them with machines. Problem solved.

      deidre.swanepoel - 2012-09-15 08:34

      i also say fire them all, most of them are from other countries. there are lots of south african (black, white) without work. give the jobs to them.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-09-14 20:24

    Stop stalling Lonmin, and pay the workers their due, get over yourselves already..... the workers put the deal on the table, equal it and better it. It is the right thing to do, as news is traveling fast on how Cyril and friends have been 'Skimming' all along. Time to stop the flow of the cream.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-09-14 20:28

      Have you thought this through Glen? If Lonmin gives in, every sector will strike, refuse to negotiate and set their own demands. Once these guys get their demands we will see countrywide strikes in government, industry, nurses, teachers, etc, and the economy will be ruined.

  • Innocent - 2012-09-14 20:26

    The campany are not realistically to what to give workers,maybe at least minimum of R8000 which is double worker will accept.

      Innocent - 2012-09-14 20:45

      @Mister double will better than intended proposed R12500,iam really Innocent.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-09-14 21:44

      How much does the workers earn currently. in this artice R9 485 seem to be the low-end, compare to the earlier NUM "Sapa earlier reported that Lonmin [JSE:LON] has offered striking workers a R900 increase to R5 500 a month for entry-level workers, "very far" from their demand of R12 500, according to National Union of Mineworkers general secretary Frans Baleni." which set of numbers is correct.

      Innocent - 2012-09-14 22:06

      How much earn before deduction and after deduction as well bonus and other privaledges allowances ?

      wendy.webb.980 - 2012-09-16 10:36

      Godfrey, the lower figure is the basic salary. The higher figure is the total cost to company, ie inclusive of benefits like retirement fund, medical aid, and either hostel accommodation or living out allowance.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 08:57

      @ cathy.dejongh.5 don't mind the hollard thing, another ANC failed education idiot commenting of Class 2010.

  • Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-09-14 20:26

    So that is a 16.2% increase. That is way above the inflation rate. They should be extremely grateful.

      mlu.khan - 2012-09-14 20:40

      That calculation is valid if the salary is above the cost of living But if not, then so is its applicability

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-14 20:40

      Well I won't be because the inflation rate will immediately jump to at least 14%. Given that miners are the high labour earners across the whole country, we can immediately expect every other labour sector union to also demand 16% just to maintain parity. Then the Municipal and other govt sectors will pile in and shoo wing, Bob really will be our uncle

  • D.D.Mashita - 2012-09-14 20:27

    Thats better from Lonmin and i hope the miners wil consider their offer as it shows that they are willing to improve their wages. It is a fact that u can not always get what u want. Lets puts this issue of Marikana to rest.

  • mphotokornel - 2012-09-14 20:28

    Let them pay,we demand R12500 as minimum

      JamesMWood - 2012-09-14 20:33

      We demand we demand, howabout we will earn it! Zero education, qualification! I say keep striking, close the mine, lose the job you don't deserve then see what your stupid ass is going to do!

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-14 20:34

      ANd next week? What is the demand going to be then? A C180 each?

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-14 20:43

      Let all of you THINK. You're trying to solve the wrong problem here. It isn't going to be fixed by mammoth salary increases. Focus on the REAL issues, not just your personal debt. It is 100+ yr old model that needs to be revised. Not just increasing salaries but everything else. So be very careful what you do here because even if you get what you think is the solution, you'll be in the same dwang in a few years' time

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-14 20:53

      JamesM, they don't need education to drill the rock, let these capitalists pay, it's not your money anyway

  • andre.ackermann.14 - 2012-09-14 20:29

    I need money badly...can i borrow some from the mine workers who seem to carry heavy reserves in their bank accounts to survive their call for the closure of the mines or is Malema feeding them with backhands from Mugabe, Cuba and Venezuela?

      kingdom.mtshali - 2012-09-15 03:30

      Why is everybody so angry. Have the joy in yourself while you can.

  • stirrer.stirrer.5 - 2012-09-14 20:33

    Lock up the rubbish, lock it up

  • madise.paul - 2012-09-14 20:41

    they got a crip at last, eish capitalist bosses!! Now i give a green light for the miners, GO FOR IT GUYS!

  • cya.ngoma - 2012-09-14 20:44

    Lonmin Thanks for trying to make peace, if they refuse to take this offer, fire them all they don't know what they want.

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-14 20:48

      You sound like they're overtaking you dispite your qualifications, i say they must be given what they want,

      cya.ngoma - 2012-09-14 21:40

      Joe I wonder if you were going to give them what they want if you were the employer.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-09-14 20:48

    Stupid bloody management... they need to fire the lot of these morons.

      walter.lebza - 2012-09-14 21:08

      And who will be brave enough to go and queue for employment, You?

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-14 21:13

      Even if they fired the entire work force and had 1000% over-subscription for their replacements, what proportion of the new recruits would know what to do? There's a lot of training that goes into the jobs - even just purely on safety. If you were fired, would someone who showed up for your job be able to do it? This isn't gardening or pumping petrol or whatever misconceptions many seem to have about what mining jobs entail

  • pronape - 2012-09-14 21:01

    Now you re near to what is demanded, bring the third wage offer Lonmin we re hungry

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-09-15 04:57

      @PRO APE, Hungry you will stay and hungry you will die. Close than mine Cyril, you can offord not to mine for couple of years. let us see if these miners can survive without pay for the next 6 years.

  • Cor-marie Olivier Nel - 2012-09-14 21:06

    Thats more than my salary and im working for the state more than 12 years!!!!!!!!!!!

      pule.lesego.3 - 2012-09-14 21:33

      Back to school

  • andrew.worrall.5 - 2012-09-14 21:09

    Gee can I become a Miner? Those perks and the package is amazing.

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-14 21:35

      you won't last a day drilling rocks underground. It's hard work.

  • craig.drysdale.96 - 2012-09-14 21:09

    I am amazed by what lawlessness achieves in the country. Next time it will be R20k. Productivity and output will determine the income. Wake up business SA and stand your ground.

  • joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-14 21:13

    Soldier on comrades, we geting closer now

      cya.ngoma - 2012-09-14 21:54

      There is something that tells me that you are one of those miners who its just that I don't know which mine.

  • hhashali - 2012-09-14 21:16

    still not acceptable though

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:08

      Yes, firing them would be much better.

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-09-14 21:19

    Fire the whole damn lot! There are millions of unemployed and employed people in this country willing to work for R6grand a month

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-14 21:30

      Those million unemployed have got no mining experience,\r\nLawyers are expensive than miners

      gym.buddy.9 - 2012-09-14 21:43

      @joe.mangena.1 the strikes are illegal. Hence there won't be any need for lawyers if the mine bosses decide to fire the miners - this thus makes your comment about the lawyers invalid..

      grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-09-14 21:45

      Joe there are millions with NO experience at all but they willing to learn and willing to work... They appreciate what they have. A JOB! Scarce commodity in this country! NOBODY is indispensable

      thembisa.nozombile - 2012-09-15 08:39

      Not all millions are willing to go underground, you'd be surprised how beggars tend to be choosers. It takes great men to do the job, even your educated kind wouldn't manage though I still don't condone the killing of others.

  • denis.mhendi - 2012-09-14 21:22

    I think this increase lonmin employers were put on the table it's better than nothing.I hope the workers can change their mind now and strike I think its gonna be end.

      martin.melzer.988 - 2012-09-15 15:43

      You're ight Dennis. This is how (legal) industrial bargaining is supposed to work. Workers (legally) withhold their labor until employers offer more. But there's a point beyond which the employer cannot go, while still generating enough profit to keep shareholders invested in the business. The trick for workers is to get as close to that point as they can LEGALLY. Once they try to bend the odds their own way by acting illegally, they will get fired at by the Police and they will destabilize the whole country, threatening the economy that everyone depends on. Many of the contributors above don't seem to grasp this.

  • gym.buddy.9 - 2012-09-14 21:26

    I see you don't need post-high-school qualifications to earn over the minimum wage boundary these days.. Impressive.. This should encourage our youth to stay in school. And we wonder why our education system is ranked 140th out of 144..

  • grace.andtruth.77 - 2012-09-14 21:32

    To the strikers - Ask Juju for a job paying R12500 a month in one of his investment's! OH sOrry he's UNEMPLOYED... Did you notice?? So WTF is his money coming from?

  • reubennoel.maluleke - 2012-09-14 21:34

    I think this is a reasonable offer, many people are unemployed as a result of strikes like these

  • juicecard.tshaka - 2012-09-14 21:46

    When you`ve tasted the smell of blood,u know the kill is eminent,go for it guys! don`t back off R12500 is up for the taking

  • emmanuel.kethia.1 - 2012-09-14 21:46

    De management is stil playin on dis situation come on guyz gv de workers dea money dey work hard 4 dis sum.

  • andrew.wilson.37266136 - 2012-09-14 21:53

    Give them cake..........

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:10

      Employ Zimbabweans, they work hard.

  • molatelolatis.nkube - 2012-09-14 21:55

    Half a loaf is better dan nothing. Dis campany got mani. Give ppl what dey want R12500 dats all.

      annelene.munro - 2012-09-15 10:46

      If you follow financial news you will realise that the mines cannot afford to pay the R12500 due to the price of minerals falling, due to the economic crises in the rest of the world. The expenses of the mines have also risen due to the fuel and electricity hikes. There are millions of unemployed people in the country, desperate for jobs.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-14 22:03

    Pathetic. Do we sink to our knees to criminals and misfits these days?

  • kingsley.mokomane - 2012-09-14 22:15

    Lonmin should acted in this fashion from the word go, certainly those who died could have still alive so Lonmin is responsible

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-14 22:39

      Workers are responsible. Unions and govt too. Everyone has let everything slide. Papering over the cracks of an out-dated system with this bonus and that policy. The issues are wide and deep and trying to fix them (again) by just throwing bucks is not going to solve the underlying, very flawed, very tired and raggedy system. You're demanding a solution to the effect, not the cause. Even if you finally win, you will be here again before too long

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-14 22:17

    Nywee nywee fire the whole lot fire the lot, there are a lot of unemployed people looking for jobs! Most of you don't earn less than R20k per month with very limited education. Not all the people working underground in the mines are illiterate, some have matric like most of you. The mines loose so many billions when the miners strike. The capitalists would rather loose it than give it to their workers.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-14 22:47

      Really? Work in a production line, where every second counts, where every minute of idleness and every single mistake can cost lives and also $. Most of us posting here live in a world where if we don't do it today, we can do it tomorrow. Mining and any industry doesn't work that way. If you don't CONSISTENTLY produce every hour, every day, you will burn profit. Because the whole system is precariously calibrated around cost vs production. One step in the process failing could be catastrophic. As we are about to find out.

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-14 23:39

      He wont understand what you just said

      sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-15 06:48

      Christiaan.vanvuuren, you will be shocked if I told you what I do for a living backed with over 7 years of tertiary studying. For now, I will just leave you to think you know better.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:11

      " you will be shocked if I told you what I do for a living backed with over 7 years of tertiary studying" Farm murder and plundering?

  • rorisang.m.motaung - 2012-09-14 22:42

    atleast guys even if u did not what u want but this offer is reasonable take it n go back to work

  • zaDANgp - 2012-09-14 23:19

    Goodness, I've got a degree from Tuks and need four(4) more subjects for my honours and they almost earn the same as I do. I bet their perks are better than what a sircus, not even in communist China will this happen. I agree with a better wage and the owners can spend more on employees, they are doing the work.....but uneducated workerd being paid more than highly educated people, what a banana republic, truly Africa....

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-15 03:50

      Maybe you got instead of being a coward stand up and fight for a better wage!!!

  • eric.f.moloi - 2012-09-15 01:29

    Ppl who have never tasted poverty will always critisize workers cos thy dont understand their conditions,thy have a point n their reasons r valid,thy also deserves better,even tht R12.500 is little,thy should push their demand little further cos these mine bosess r earning millions annually,away with slave wage,i pt my weight behind thm

      Steven Trollip - 2012-09-15 06:46

      I smell a lot of new BMW`s soon after the increments.

      merven.halo - 2012-09-17 09:12

      Ppl who have never tasted hard work will always critisize employers cos thy dont understand their conditions.

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-15 03:57

    Funny thing is now Lonmin finally agrees to do the right things after a long deliberation that costs the company alot of money. To those educated folks, it's not the miners fault that you earn peanuts whilst \educated\. Rather do something about it!!

      Yolandé Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-15 05:08

      these guys should have been fired long time ago! they are murderers and instigators and intimidators! Others working on lonmin fear for their lives every day! thats not humamitarian! who needs people like that? id rather work for something to do what they did for more! we all want more but thats just not feasible for any mining company!

  • Yolandé Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-15 05:05

    do any of you work for lonmin? do you know that lonmin actually looks after you?! the only reason that lonmin left this alone in the beginning is because there were a wage agreement for 2 years which could not have been signed without consultation with employees? where in the world did you see that if you do not get what you want, you kill people?! your own collegues, police officers! you people worry about the 34 killed, what about the 10 that those 34 were part of murdering???? and even now people are being murdered by those still on strike? i am very sorry, but thats the mentality of them workers and theres a reason why general workers are paid less than a specialist for example! thats just how it works in every company! you are the lowest qualifief, you accepted the job offer and now you want to toi toi and murder people? haw?? but thats SA! thats the impression that SA gives to the world! we will choke the business giving me a salary to support my family so that I must earn more! dont we all want to earn more?? what these people are doing and not realising is that, when all this is over, half of them will be retrenched anyways because the mines have to make up somewhere for their losses so that the other 1000's of people cam still survive! use the grey stuff between your ears people! what these guys are doing is murdering our country with their sick ways! if the mines would give them their demand, it will influence the rest of business and his brother might be out of work! what then? will he toi toi again????

      krish.reddy.104 - 2012-09-16 15:20

      Well said. I endorse all what you said. Thugs should never be employed. People who work and earn a living should be disciplined.Murder should never happen.

  • gary.maggz - 2012-09-15 06:28

    My fellow Safricans,why do these forums ALWAYS turn into racial battering from both sides.Its childish.Its similar to road rage..we feel all powerfull behind our steering wheels.Anybody who works in such dangerous conditions should be paid a decent 'liveable' wage.There is nothing worse than working hard and still having to battle poverty.This govt has failed its people in many ways but for us in the real world to be talking to each other like this is pretty disgusting and not something my little kids who have loads 'darker'friends at their creche would ever understand.I'm definately not naieve in what's going on in this land but ,come on!!

  • msemido.sam - 2012-09-15 07:08

    To me this is a good offer indeed lets back to work please

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-09-15 07:27

    Viva R12500 ,down with slave wages down!!!!!! Lets honour the fallen heroes by ensuring that we accept nothing below what they were brutally gunned down fighting for. Let the capitalists count their losses,were dont care, we are the children of the soil. They have no choice but to aceed to our demands. We are the children of great African matyres who never dishonoured the cause of freedom. The struggle continues.

      annelene.munro - 2012-09-15 10:55

      Unfortunately its not only the capitalist who will count their losses ... the rich will have other investments as well. Its the poor and the 'every day guys' who will suffer the most. No mining exports = no cash flow = no profits = less exports for the country = balance of payments take a dip = rand weakens - petrol price rises = food prices rise Mines biggest purchases of goods - so no mining - no purchases so the companies where they purchase their stuff have to either close their doors or scale down = more job losses - No exports - less tax for the state = higher taxes? The list of what can happen is endless

  • Rodney - 2012-09-15 08:15

    is nt enough.., we cn't go bck to wrk...,@ half of 12000.00

      JamesMWood - 2012-09-15 09:41

      Go back to work you lazy bastard or get an education, then you can expect more salary wise

      marnus.lamprecht - 2012-09-15 19:39

      I agree don't go back to work, please go back to school...cause half of R12 000 has never been R9 000.

  • mariette.brand - 2012-09-15 08:47

    The mine workers are demonstrating the power of the masses, of society, of ordinary citizens. Something big companies and governments have been disregarding for too long, in their continuation of exploiting societies. Go and read Prof. Joseph Stiglit's new book, "The Price of Inequality". Go and read up on the leaked information of the recent Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) Agreement selling out societies to international corporate businesses. Where does Lonmin pluck out R1800 extra for each worker all of a sudden? From the sky? So they had it all along. I can just laugh really. And who is to thank for this victory? Is it not Mr. Malema? To our own detriment in the future it is him indeed yes. We all know that he's got only his own self interest at heart, but currently he brought victory to for the mine workers. Well, this is what inequality creates, fertile grounds for riots and opportunists.

      skhulile.sambo - 2012-09-15 09:24

      this is the first educational comment i read,thank you so much.

      Lindy Claassen - 2012-09-15 20:11

      Malema only came to the party fashionably late! He wasnt there when they've already striked for a while. The mine workers already had their minds made up. He just knew he would have mass suport if he says what they've been saying all along. how about selling that large house of yours Malema. Equality???? I think not.

  • rich.mashimbye - 2012-09-15 08:47

    Exempt miners from taxation so that they've got something after pay. Or alternatively, give them considerable tax cut

      JamesMWood - 2012-09-15 09:40

      Are you just plain stupid or what? Exempt them from tax when they already earn more than some professionals who have to pay tax and don't get a housing allowance. Really, you have no idea what you are talking about. They weren't forced to take that job!

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-15 09:53

    Start showing seriousness in this matter and bring forth serious offers the longer your stall this the more money you are loosing, how about starting at R4000 and cut some of the executives packs and bonuses?

      krish.reddy.104 - 2012-09-16 15:23

      Let Malema also contribute.

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-09-15 11:02

    Excluding monthly production bonus, 13th cheque and other incentives. Its a good offer, otherwise the mines must cancel production bonus, incentives and grant them R12.5k.

  • Lindy Claassen - 2012-09-15 20:04

    He must be stupid.

  • krish.reddy.104 - 2012-09-16 14:34

    12500-00 shocking demand. I worked for 40 years and never earned any where near this figure. I lived comfortably on 6500-00 a month supporting a family of 5. My daughters are both professionals. Thanks to NUM for their bursaries that helped them to achieve their goals. Why dont the mines employ the whole youth league including Lamola,Julius Malema,Magdalene Munsamy and Sonzono or whatever her name is.

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