Amcu demands 100% pay hike
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Amcu demands 100% pay hike

2013-06-25 17:14

Johannesburg - The Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union on Tuesday demanded a 100% hike in sectoral wages.

The union filed its tough demand ahead of annual wage negotiations, also requiring increased housing allowances, nine months paid maternity leave for women and medical care.

"We have submitted our demands to the chamber and we are hoping for a fruitful dialogue to afford the workers a living wage," said Amcu deputy leader Jimmy Gama.

The mining sector has been rattled by a series of violent labour disputes over the last year, including one day of carnage that saw 34 striking miners killed by police last August. Many fear this year's talks will prove to be a flashpoint for further unrest.

Amcu said it wants to double the current pay of the lowest paid workers from R7 500 a month.

They also want entry level wages for underground workers to be upped to R12 500 from around R6 000.

Amcu has been embroiled in a bitter turf war with the ANC aligned National Union of Mineworkers (NUM), resulting in sporadic work stoppages.

The union, which claims to be apolitical, has eaten into the membership base of the NUM. It also accused NUM of being in bed with business and abandoning the workers' struggle.

The Chamber of Mines said it plans to meet with all unions before embarking on the wage talks next month.

"We will first hold pre-negotiations meetings with all unions, where they will officially table their demands before starting talks in July," said Elize Strydom, the chamber's senior employment executive.

Failure to reach an agreement is likely to spark a wave of mass protests, while attempts by mining houses to trim losses by cutting jobs have been met by criticisms from government and unions.


Comments
  • Amdyn - 2013-06-25 17:19

    Lol. Who will it be NUM @ 60% or AMCU at 100%. Advice : convert all your rands to dollars ASAP, and let the unions trash the rand. Then buy the country for peanuts later.

      Darren Raath - 2013-06-25 17:33

      lol! this is why south africa's economy is so screwed! productivity is no where near current wages! maybe they need to go on a fact finding mission to China to see how we can become productive like them! sorry theyve already been there and learnt nothing!

      Democrazy - 2013-06-25 17:36

      Lmao

      Lucky Luke - 2013-06-25 17:45

      well mohlante's workshop is bearing real fruit!! go anc you got this covered!

      Ryan Alexander Smith - 2013-06-25 18:15

      I want a living wage so that I can support 10 children too

      lacrimosewolf - 2013-06-25 19:01

      It costs roughly US$1000 to produce one ounce of gold in South Africa. The current price is US$1276 an ounce. The mining companies should just close up shop. But let's not trouble the Unions with pesky reality, give them what they want then shut down the mines.

      Kortbroek Du Plessis - 2013-06-26 08:01

      I think we need more of an Adolf Hitler to deal with these buggers

      Susan Pretorius - 2013-06-26 09:10

      A lot of people we know that has been working at the mines for years have received notice that they might loose their jobs.These guys are in for a huge surprise.

      Alan Smith - 2013-06-26 09:13

      why stop at 100%, why not 200% or 300%. Down with the Unions, Down with Alliance, Down with the cANCer, Down with Zupta!

      Maartins Siphiso - 2013-06-27 07:30

      The explanation is:- The ANC's goal is to nationalise the mines, but they cannot do it without a fundamentally valid reason. AMCU was secretly started by the ANC government with the goal in mind to cause as much havoc on the mine as possible. It stared with Marikana. Now they demand impossible wage hikes. The mines will have no other option than to close. This then gives the ANC government to perfect and legal opportunity to nationalise the closed mines in order to "avoid job losses" Get rid of the ANC to save South Africa.

  • proudlysa - 2013-06-25 17:27

    Bigger fools than Cosatu! I didn't think it was possible. Don't create unrealistic expectations amongst uneducated workers just to get votes. You know 100% increase is not sustainable (ridiculous). Shame on you! All this will cause is more unemployment and anarchy

      Neels de Bruin - 2013-06-25 18:00

      What happened to supply and demand? We do have an over supply of low-output, high-demand, unskilled workers. Just let them go and replace them with the next useless lot!

      Amdyn - 2013-06-25 18:08

      This is why unions are a bad idea. They are like political organisations - there is no product, you generate income by being POPULAR. So you promise stuff to be popular.

      Ryan Alexander Smith - 2013-06-25 18:12

      Neels, our labor laws make hiring and firing extremely difficult

      Neels de Bruin - 2013-06-25 19:21

      @ Ryan. Unfortunately you are correct. However, there are still (a few) protection mechanisms for the employer. If you follow proper procedures (counselling, warnings, etc) you can still get rid of these useless scum!

  • Christiaan Du Preez - 2013-06-25 17:30

    Where do I apply.... Haha

      Neels de Bruin - 2013-06-25 18:03

      Exactly! This in a world where graduates do not even earn that!

      Ronald - 2013-06-25 18:53

      So currently the lowest paid workers receive a salary of R90 000 per year excluding benefits and the underground workers R150 000. I did some research on Payscale.com to find the average starting salaries of a few professions and found the following: .NET Software Developer / Programmer - R96,596; Boilermaker - R84,164; Bookkeeper - R66,604; Chemical Engineer - R110,856; Construction Foreman - R63,977; Credit Controller - R77,829; Diesel Mechanic - R79,067; Electrician - R74,244; Educator - R83,604; Engineering Technician - R87,697; High School Teacher - R87,304. Most, if not all of these people need to have a college or university qualification to earn these salaries. The miners have the same costs of living as the professions above. The only difference is that they have an over inflated idea of what they are worth and think that they are irreplaceable.. They will only have themselves, their unions and government to blame when their greed and "I want, I want" attitude leaves themselves and those dependent on them with no income, the mines closed and the economy in tatters. But then good sense seems to be in short supply in the unions and seems to be a pre-requisite to run a union.

      Mike Stevens - 2013-06-26 08:14

      @Ronald So true, i'm a senior C# developer with my Masters in Information systems, i've been in the business for 3 years now, and i earn R160 000 a year. It would make my degree and hard work completely pointless if some uneducated a-hole earned the same as i do/close to what i earn

      Tamlin Van Heerver - 2013-06-26 09:56

      mike so youve been working for 3 years and are complaining about your low salary as well? ...you dont have any experience, wait your turn it will come, give it 10 years then you'll be happy, if not, well then you chose to be in a low paying industry, a doctor would have been better.

      Clayton Stiemie - 2013-06-26 19:45

      we are too white to get jobs there

  • Vishen Naidoo - 2013-06-25 17:30

    There goes the mining sector down the drain!

      Seanred - 2013-06-25 17:46

      Like everything else.

  • Victor van der Walt - 2013-06-25 17:32

    Close the mines and fire the fu@@$)s.

      MK McKenzie - 2013-06-25 18:42

      And purchase machines to do the work- Simple. Fast. Sustainable.

      Izz Thatso - 2013-06-25 22:40

      MK, the mine bosses will be singing "Mshini Wam , Mshini Wam....."

  • Dikeledi LaMolepo Nkosi - 2013-06-25 17:34

    now that, is unrealistic. impossible.

  • Rory Neil Price - 2013-06-25 17:34

    Luckily these idiots aren't in politics, they one up on Stortkop in terms of brain cells

  • Dikeledi LaMolepo Nkosi - 2013-06-25 17:34

    now that, is unrealistic. impossible.

  • Darryl Maze - 2013-06-25 17:36

    Fire them all and bring in the machinary. Machines wont strike. U idiots just dont think. But hey thats what you would expect. Wait till you all have no jobs.

  • Zuko Goldstein - 2013-06-25 17:36

    I just laughed so hard I nearly fell off my chair. Do these morons not know anything about the industry they represent?!??!?!?!?!?

  • Rerrits Syawlla - 2013-06-25 17:37

    No1 did say we would ALL prosper!

      Robert Clive Warriner - 2013-06-25 21:49

      he said many things ... and delivered on none!

  • Vernon Rudolph - 2013-06-25 17:37

    thats just crazy...

  • Abdul-Ba'ith Sayegh - 2013-06-25 17:39

    We need to start demanding an Independent Cape Republic. These fools are killing the ailing Madiba's legacy and we all gonna suffer.

  • Zoleka Mussana - 2013-06-25 17:40

    Give them 100 % nd give notice to retrench or take ur profits nd close the mines we will see who they will lead.

  • Victor Mendes - 2013-06-25 17:41

    When the mines close due to these abusive demands then AMCU will get a minus 100% increase for its members due to them not having work.

  • Bobbie Booyse - 2013-06-25 17:41

    Yes and I want to be a saudi prince..but in the real world we all can't have what we want.

  • Char Ou - 2013-06-25 17:44

    Even meeeeeeee..... I want 100% pay hike.

      Jan Roos - 2013-06-26 19:13

      Me too! I demand it now damnit, i said now!

  • Thembelani Lithemba Zweni - 2013-06-25 17:48

    Its crazy,how can you demand a 100% increase,AMCU is a joke

  • Blackhole_Sun - 2013-06-25 17:50

    Insane in the membrane Insane in the brain Insane in membrane Pretty insane, got no brain (repeat)

  • Rob Martin - 2013-06-25 18:02

    Get rid of 50% and give the others 100% to work 5o% harder, the height of impossibility.

      DjBas - 2013-06-26 13:51

      Great idea Martin

  • Gxowa Vusumzi Coward - 2013-06-25 18:03

    AMCU is really creating unncessary pressure on our economy.The mining sector is already struggling to make a profit due to never ending strikes.The rand is struggling against the foreign currencies.Where will the mines get this money ? Ppl will soon b retrenched as the result of ths.

  • Shepherd Mudau - 2013-06-25 18:04

    Holy Zupta, i cant blame ths minors, take everythng while zuma is in power mentality is sinkin the mining sector

      Simphiwe Segaetsho - 2013-06-25 21:20

      Hahaha.

  • Chris Du Toit - 2013-06-25 18:05

    Hehehe...I like this guy,he's so funny!

  • Amdyn - 2013-06-25 18:06

    Union approach Step 1 : Promise more than other union - get support Step 2 : Blame company for being unwilling to negotiate Step 3 : Go on strike blaming company for being unwilling to negotiate Step 4 : Tell workers that company CEO is unwilling to share Step 5 : Blame company when company closes due to having no income Step 6 : Blame company when company retrenches Step 7 : Spend union fees collected in peace while workers families starve

  • Nestor Torres - 2013-06-25 18:06

    I work 12 to 15 hours seven day's a week and I am 64 years of age. I am self employed and I have to upgrade my skills continuously. Over the last few years I have lost 20% of my turnover because of the economic situation here in South Africa....and I see the mining industry getting such increases every year ...I just don't get it.

  • Michael Peters - 2013-06-25 18:06

    There are insane. How can one negotiate with a bunch of morons? Close the mines and fire the whole lot.

  • Herman Potgieter - 2013-06-25 18:15

    I was planning a rude reply but the humour of this has won. Can anybody be so stupid? I guess so.

  • Richard Stockenstr√∂m - 2013-06-25 18:17

    9 months? NINE? MONTHS? Maternity leave? PAID? Top executives MIGHT get 4! And they are LUCKY if it's paid! Smh. What @sses.

  • Stan van Wyk - 2013-06-25 18:17

    Sitting in Chicago, discussing this article with friends. This country USA has an employment policy of termination at will ( apparently 24 hrs is norm notice)dependent on ability to meet job-contract requirements, company needs, market forces of what ever the employer decides...ie if you don't perform you are out with with no legal support or such as CCMA recourse. They have unions but these have very strict structures and regulation as to how they can operate, the economy in USA is definitely defying the rest of the world and is on a growth path and GDP is on the up.........whereas in back home in RSA the total reverse is happening ....so who has the labor model correct??? Our country does not realize communism is dead and buried, the socialist state model in use is be used to talk but not walk wealth to the masses and the peasants are out of their seances stimulated by promise make in form of collective bargaining that promises wealth beyond wildest imagination in exchange for little to no productivity.......leaves little to imagination where this will end........watch this space for editorial that likes of certain mines are closing, car manufacturers are relocating their assembly plants Volkswagen SA and likes ... Cry my beloved Country, and the politicians both ANC and DA look away as there is an election coming...

  • Yazied Samuels - 2013-06-25 18:20

    These workers deserve their increases. Do you really only want to par someone R3500 a month keeping this country going? I don't hear any comments about the white CEO's pilfering this country or the ridiculous R1.3b fine to bosses who colluded to defraud this country of R47b. Get your priorities straight.

      Disillusioned Sa - 2013-06-25 18:24

      Now you're being unfair - when it comes to top management giving themselves millions of bonuses for absolute no performance, look no further than SABC, SAA, Eskom. The CEO's in business can get away with it because they also make a profit for the share holders. The SABC's etc get away with it because they are ANC and corruption rules!

      Amdyn - 2013-06-25 18:30

      @Yazied : Your viewpoint although a common one is flawed : Read this : http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Hard-work-is-not-the-same-as-adding-value-20130613

      Jitesh Bhoola - 2013-06-26 09:40

      @Amdyn: Read your article. I think its fair but I think the thing you missing in it is the how employees are linked to company value. So while miners earn less due to their lack of skill, CEO's earn tons due to their skills. This I believe is fair and supply and demand as you say causes the price you pay to change. The point here is that there is a lot of unethical behavior by skilled people because they benefit from stock options. I believe making even your lowest paid worker own a portion of the company can go a long way in helping matters. At the moment miners suffer but CEO's make a lot from stock options due to the supply and demand of shares which are based on speculation more than intrinsic value. Make no mistake that senior management manipulate companies financials to suit their stock prices, and eventually their pockets. If management and employees could agree on the demand for skills and tie each person to company value (Stock) it will go a long way to making people work better without striking...as they will be able to profit just as much. (Double their salaries is also appealing to them when offered as share options). Of course the cost of giving share options need to be weighed by the benefits but I think you will quickly find that it actually works. What doesn't work is managements accountability and responsibility to grow business for the longer term as they do not see these people as assets at the moment. Every person makes a company.

  • marina.poniatowska - 2013-06-25 18:23

    Where do I join up???

  • Delano Mr-Cool Dilon - 2013-06-25 18:23

    Pure Madness!!!!

  • Derek Chapman - 2013-06-25 18:26

    Safe to say the economy is going to collapse even further, geez Im in the wrong proffession me thinks

  • Joe Irwin - 2013-06-25 18:32

    Clowns.

  • Eugene van Zyl - 2013-06-25 18:44

    The Mines must give the companies to amcu and see where the gvt will get there revenue from.Amcu is a bunch of economic bizaare clown.They are creating more poverty at this stage than ever before.Thats why there are no piece in SA as the Unions creates tension in the industries.So best option kill the unions and we will have a better economy and those who want to strike get them out of a job as there are millions willing to work for salaries the others dont want to work for.

  • Nyakanyaka Nyakanyaka - 2013-06-25 18:44

    They deserve increase n not scared to say how much they want. Those scared while producin billions in profits r sleepin with mine bosses.

      Klip Indiebos - 2013-06-25 18:59

      Where can I buy what you are smoking? They should rather demand a proper education and improve their own quality of life - not just demand, demand, demand.

  • Sancho De Freitas Harker - 2013-06-25 18:45

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa Do they even realize how much of the cost of producing platinum/gold is actually spent on wages? This would cripple the mining sector and lead to thousands of job losses, if not a near-complete closure of mining investments in South Africa. I can't even believe I read this headline correctly, I thought it was a typo and maybe meant to be 10%. seriously, what a joke.

  • Kenny Ntamela - 2013-06-25 18:53

    this is a jokes n amcu its here to destroy mine industry n economy.make high rate of unemployerment to the people south africa special eastern cape

  • Uzziphathele KaSkhokho Tshabalala - 2013-06-25 18:55

    Amcu I really hope u know that you doing,I'm praying you've done your home work properly,Amcu please!!!,this 100% pay hike???.

  • Adepoju Mosebo - 2013-06-25 19:25

    100 percent???? no, no, no!!!! Go for 200 percent, i say!!!

      lacrimosewolf - 2013-06-25 19:39

      Alunatics Continua! :)

  • Gee Vee - 2013-06-25 19:32

    Amcu go deep down into the mine and look for your marbles which you've clearly lost!

  • Justice Leswiswi - 2013-06-25 19:36

    It's clear their idiotic leader has no clue about how businesses are run

  • Ioannis Condogiannis - 2013-06-25 19:49

    Enjoy unemployment you losers.

  • Beatrice Chandia - 2013-06-25 20:15

    These people must think mines are there to only to pay salaries and there is a bottomless volt of cash that all mines have. Hayisuka

  • Mukuvhi Fhatuwani - 2013-06-25 20:20

    madness

  • George Manuel Lopez - 2013-06-25 21:02

    Amcu are the trophies of education from the last 20yrs.this is justified reason why this country will never prosper.it will take evolution to change from dumb to a level of competence that could at the least make a small difference. For those that have the intellect to understand the meaning of this ,cheers NASA never gave the chimp the controls to fly to space.it will crash and burn.

  • Deon Meiring - 2013-06-25 21:29

    100% increase? Wow...I want that too!

  • Kobus Oosthuizen - 2013-06-25 22:03

    Boneheads

  • Chevon Martin - 2013-06-25 22:42

    Fire the lot! There are millions who would step in in an instant. This must not be tolerated. Our country needs to grow, not the bellies of these money hungry hooligans

  • Lara Lyness - 2013-06-25 23:49

    Absolute madness and an insult to human intelligence.

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