SA alert on smoking brands case

2012-08-15 13:27

Johannesburg - South Africa had not yet indicated whether it would ban brands being displayed on tobacco packets like Australia, the National Council Against Smoking said on Wednesday.

"But they are looking at what is happening in Australia very closely," said NCAS member Dr Yusuf Saloojee.

"My view is that South Africa should do the same thing as Australia, but of course I can't speak for the government."

Earlier, Agence France-Presse reported that global tobacco firms lost a "watershed" court challenge to Australia's plain packaging laws for cigarettes.

The High Court of Australia ruled the measures, stipulating that tobacco products should be sold in drab, uniform packaging with graphic health warnings from December 1 this year, did not breach the country's constitution.

Four companies, led by British American Tobacco [JSE:BTI], had challenged the law, claiming it infringed its intellectual property rights by banning brands and trademarks from packets, and was unconstitutional.

But the court rejected the argument by BAT, Japan Tobacco International, Imperial Tobacco and Philip Morris that the law represented "an acquisition of (their) property otherwise than on just terms".

Australian Attorney General Nicola Roxon said Britain, Canada and New Zealand were mulling over similar measures, and that China, SA and the European Union were following the Australian case with interest.

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  • Afrofestina - 2012-08-15 13:49

    JUST BAN SMOKING! Oh, that's right. You can't. You would all lose a lot of money. My bad.

      patrickflynn73 - 2012-08-15 13:55

      WHAT IRRITATES ME about smokers is throwing stompies out the window, not only is it pollution but its also the cause of fires which inturn kills nature and sometimes even destroys properties and livestock etc

      tuco.angeleyes - 2012-08-15 14:12

      People don't smoke a name brand, they smoke a ciggarette, even if you ban brands and paste pictures of skulls and grotesque pictures, people will still smoke. I am yet to hear BAT or any of the top tobbacco companies suffering any losses due to stupid laws like this. We have more important issues to deal with. really.

      spookhuis - 2012-08-15 14:32

      @ patrickflynn73 - well we do supply employment. If you are so righteous how many dust bins do you own. Where does your plastic go, your glass bottles, your paper and I truely hope you have the mother of all compost heaps.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-15 15:57

      Tax all the share holders double tax not the smoker?

  • shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-08-15 13:57

    If tobacco and alcohol were banned worldwide...just in one explanation....just stopped...and laws put in place to hurt distributors...just think for a second... So no more health related issues...the road death tolls worldwide would drop like a rock...related violence whether rape theft assault murders etc would drop...worldwide... These 2 things proven beyond a shadow to be poisonous and cause people to be out of their court people attempt to lower their sentences by claiming ''extenuating circumstances'' when they did something vile while under the influence of if that’s an excuse to hurt and destroy others?. So why is this not STOPPED…we laugh about it… as if its 'cool' to smoke and drink...movies are made to show the ‘fun’ aspect…in reality someone always suffers Millions every year are the victims of weird crimes that never needed to many others are affected indirectly…billions? Or they will say if we stop it, people will just do it illegally…lets use that argument…so if we allow murders because it’s done anyway? Cigarettes are proven to have over 50 poisons in it if I’m not mistaken…alcohol does so much bad for you yet the main issue is the people affected by drunk drivers…or violent drunk people…When do we take control

      lydonmcg - 2012-08-15 14:07

      Don't be so naive. Drugs are that stopping anyone from using them? Clearly not. What affect would this have on industry, such as Cape wine farms? What are they supposed to do, and everyone employed by them? Ignoring the fact that there are proven health benefits to the likes of wine in moderation, of course. If you're content with living in a world where adults need to be nannied and dictated to over their own health, then be my guest, but I most certainly am not. People are always going to find a way to mess up their health...what are you going to propose we ban next?

      jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-15 14:20

      And no wine??... Screw that, I don't wanna get heart disease!

      spookhuis - 2012-08-15 14:36

      @ shaun.brooks.79 - Ja, and prohibition really worked so well. OOPS Alcopone made money.......the model for all of us to live by.

  • Mark - 2012-08-15 13:57

    It's not just smoking that's bad for your health but also ANC cadre deployment.

  • shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-08-15 13:57

    Lets not forget the companies who make money out of the 2 evils

  • robqb - 2012-08-15 14:05

    It wont help banning smoking outright! Remember the US of A with alchohol prohibition? It didn't work! Has making the smoking of dagga stopped people from lighting up? NO! Again I ask. Why so heavy on smoking and easy on booze? Liquor kills and injures more people than cigarettes. I can smoke a pack of 20, get into my car and drive, safely. Can i do that after consuming a bottle of brandy? Just asking. Oh, by the way I'm an ex-smoker(3.5yrs) AND ex- drinker(17.25yrs).

  • Raygunwatson - 2012-08-15 14:08

    Oh go cry me a river , I smoke , it is my right to smoke , next on the list lets ban people from eating meat .....

      jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-15 14:24

      Ray you can go crazy with smoking, but those disgusting habits that most of your co-smokers have! That's the problem!

  • mack.myburgh - 2012-08-15 14:14

    I smoke and I drink and I love the social aspect of it. I also suffer because of it. Stupid me , is all I will ever say.

  • tanya.retief - 2012-08-15 14:15

    Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

  • stephen.ambartzakis - 2012-08-15 14:41

    The Australian prime minister is a confirmed lesbian atheist, what a role model hey! It has been sais that those who do not learn from history, Shaun, will be forced to re-live it. Read the history of prohibition in the USA and the crime and gangsterism that it gave rise to, why, America is still battling to rid their society of the mob (Mafia etc) who, now that drinking is legal simply turn to hard drugs and prostitution for their income. Stop white-anting away at peoples freedoms, there is far too much of this self-righteous claptrap going on while the big issues are ignored in the name of profit, dune mining at Mtunzini being a case in point. Rather spend your energies on those issues which will affect our childrens future.

      berthram - 2012-08-15 20:23

      So, Stephen, because she is a lesbian it makes her a bad person or poor role model? Because she has a choice is this modern age to choose her own religion, she is a poor role model? Just remember 1 thing: your children's future, and the future's children you so gladly try and \help\ with your comment, will also have lesbians and atheists. You may gladly oppose homosexuality and people that do not share your personal religion, but remember that everyone is born of free right and so will your children and their children. And to shun them before they made their choice till after, is judgment, from my point of view. And I shun judgement, so from over here, you seem the poor role model. (And just a btw: I'm a christian and I smoke)

  • Raygunwatson - 2012-08-15 14:54

    Here is an idea , let's ban SEX ... yes HIV is way worse for your health than smoking ,Let's paste sculls on condoms and say how bad it is, oh wait no , you will protest because you're suppose to have freedom. Pffft stupid sheeple.

  • KeenanMag - 2012-08-15 15:52

    I smoke, and I wish I could quit. So I do hope they put measures into place that would prevent younger people from forming the habit. I wouldn't wish this upon my worst enemy.

  • jannie.gomgat - 2012-08-15 16:36

    WTF???? Aslong as you just dont smoke but you can sure as hell drik get drunk beat up your wife rape your kids cause horific car crashes but just dont smoke?????????????? am I the only one seeing this????????

      shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-08-15 16:40

      Jannie we see what they are missing...I made it clear that this would be their response...excuses....excuses...yes aids is bad too,,,,the topic I raised is smoking and I said keep making excuses and keep harming others indirectly and directly

      Mark - 2012-08-16 11:48

      Jannie your comment does not make sense. If smoking and alcohol were invented today they would be banned immediately. Just because it has been socially acceptable for centuries does not make it right. They are trying to break the cycle smokers not trying to stop you specifically from smoking. Your right to choose is still there. So take a chill pill my china.

  • shaun.brooks.79 - 2012-08-15 16:43

    No matter what you say...we know theres am million bad things for etc..but I will say it again...alcohol is responsible a millions of road can put your head in the sand...believe its just a social makes you drunk people...why not have the guts to ban something which is obviously killing people...and make it least one thing...or you can keep hiding behind excuses and never get off your behinds and do anything...

      spookhuis - 2012-08-16 07:52

      Oh bugger off to Iran, shaun.

  • heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-08-16 07:40

    Like always - no priority as to what is most IMPORTANT in a starving country... Why don't they rather put a picture of a car accident on every bottle of alcohol - or stick a sticker of an abused animal on every shack - or stick a sticker of an abused child on the forehead of every convicted abuser??? That would make much more sense...

      Mark - 2012-08-16 11:50

      Well, they have to start somewhere. ;)

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