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Has ANC botched Mbeki ouster?

Sep 21 2008 14:57 Troye Lund

Cape Town - The fortunes of the rand following the shock recall of Thabo Mbeki on Saturday will be determined by the outgoing president's statement on Sunday evening, say economists. They'll also be keeping an eye on how Mbeki is ejected and whether he tenders his voluntary resignation.


Certainly, the speed with which Mbeki's enemies moved, and the suspicion it was to protect Jacob Zuma from further legal woes, has been unsettling for investors, economists say.


But, this is balanced by the fact that Mbeki's position has been imperilled since the African National Congress's (ANC's) conference in Polokwane in December.


The ruling party is also likely to be given the benefit of the doubt following finance minister Trevor Manuel's indication that he will be staying on until a new general election.


Sources in the ANC's National Executive Committee also believe Manuel will stay on after next year's election - quite likely a Jacob Zuma cabinet - which will also lessen anxiety over the weekend's developments. That's because investors watch the new government's policy moves rather than the politics around them.


But, it may not be a case of Mbeki tendering his resignation and going quietly. The options for getting rid of a sitting state president come with different ramifications, says FW de Klerk Foundation's Paul Hoffman.


Mbeki said that he would step down "once all the constitutional requirements" had been met. This appears to suggest that he believes the ANC National Executive Committee has no authority to fire him because they did not hire him. It was parliament that appointed Mbeki; therefore, only parliament can unseat him.


According to the constitution there are three ways of getting rid of a state president: through the dissolution of parliament; impeachment by the national assembly (known as clause 89); or it can oust him through a motion of no confidence (section 102/2).


The impeachment option requires a two-thirds majority in the national assembly, a dominance the ANC currently enjoys. But impeachment also requires proof of serious misconduct or violation of the constitution.


It also requires a two-thirds majority support among MPs in parliament. So while ANC has a two-thirds majority in the national assembly, it's unclear if all MPs would indeed vote against Mbeki.


Furthermore, this option would mean Mbeki would lose all pension benefits and would not be allowed to hold public office again.


Impeachment would mean that the cabinet stays on and a caretaker president would be elected from MPs. But this caretaker could not be Zuma because he is not a member of parliament.


The motion of no-confidence vote requires a simple majority (50% plus 1) in parliament. Again, it is unclear whether all ANC MPs would oblige and vote against Mbeki.


A motion of no-confidence would also mean the entire cabinet, deputy ministers included, would have to go with Mbeki. This is what would not bode well for the civil service and could cause concern in the market and, therefore, impact negatively on the currency.


Hoffman does not believe the ANC thought through the options clearly and now find themselves in a potentially tricky position.


"From a business point-of-view, the reaction is going to be very different if the entire cabinet is fired compared to a move that just gets rid of the president and replaces him with a caretaker.


"If Mbeki has done his homework, he would have worked out how much support he has in the national assembly. Most of those MPs owe patronage to him," says Hoffman who does, however, concede that politicians have short memories and have a penchant for expediency.


Mbeki is expected to make his next move clear this evening after a special cabinet meeting.


- Fin24.com

 

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Sep 22 2008 09:48 Report this comment

In what way was Mbeki's recall "a shock"?
 
Nasdaq7
Sep 21 2008 17:49 Report this comment

That is how quickly and with intense vengefulness Mbeki's enemies moved.
 
BIG SPENDER
Sep 21 2008 17:47 Report this comment

RETAIL SECTOR In my opion I thi nk we must invest in shares that own all the fancy branded goods because the NEW ORDER has to stock up on the BRANDS e.g Gucci Louis Vitton Hugo Boss Spiz shoes etc because the new FAT CATS AND FAT A**ED OSSIES have to go shopping after they have started to clean out the FEEDING TROUGHS. What they do not realise is that when the whites stop paying the taxes/rates/water and electricity bilss there will be no CASH left so they have to go shopping NOW!!!!
 
Frankie de Jesus
Sep 21 2008 17:06 Report this comment

The way I read in all the headlines is that they were all involved in wrongful doing which has never been judged by law, now they all cover it up. What none of them realise is that one time or another it will all be exposed. Lets pray that the country as a whole does not suffer the consequenses. Politicians cant be trusted look how they speak of one another there is no respect.
 
AC
Sep 21 2008 17:01 Report this comment

The Public do not always know the thruth but what we do know is that Mbeki always denied that he was unaware of any proof ever given to him regarding Jackie Selebe's criminal doings yet those involved disagreed with Mbeki's claim. Maybe he tried the same trick with Zuma. I still believe Essop Pahad was the driving force behind the statement as exposed by Judge Nicholsan regarding "political interference" yet Mbeki at least have someone to blame!!!
 
Jack
Sep 21 2008 16:59 Report this comment

Zuma would be an unmitigated disaster for SA as president! The man has a prima facie case of serious corruption against him, exposed when Shaik was convicted. It cannot be wished away. SA's partners and overseas investors would react badly to Zuma, no doubt about it. Secondly, and more ominously, Zuma owes his support to the far leftist components of the ANC, Cosatu, SACP and the dreaded Ancyl. These are on record as favouring extreme socialist policies such as large scale nationalisation, massive taxation, confiscation of white-owned assets etc. Since Zuma owes them, he would be obliged to move to the left and support at least some of these policies. This would sound the death knell for SA's economy! Overseas players would not merely be dismayed by such moves, they would be utterly aghast! It would lead to disinvestment, divestment, and ultimate withdrawal from SA. Then we would fully appreciate just why Anglo, BHP, De Beers, Mutual etc have set up headquarters overseas and now own majority overseas assets. We may be witnessing the beginning of the end of all hope for this country. In time to come, the morons who voted for Zuma last year in Polokwane will have plenty of opportunity to rue that decision. Meantime, its a good time for skilled whites to start making preparations for Perth.
 
Carl Muller
Sep 21 2008 16:42 Report this comment

Thabo Mbeki had R30 Million reasons to sue the Sunday times and didn't. I wonder why, is he guilty? I think Zuma is much nearer the people to make a better president. We trust God that it will all turn out good, after all, He appoints presidents and rulers.
 
Johann
Sep 21 2008 16:12 Report this comment

Will it make a difference if he is gone? I don't think so. He was almost never in the country, always traveling elsewhere in Africa & the world. He used all his time trying to get involved in other country's problems, instead of using his energy to resolve our issues. We, the taxpayer paid him to travel all around and not to do his job. I wonder in which country did they find him to tell him that he is fired. I bet that he had to travel back from somewhere outside SA to get fired. Good riddance and long overdue!
 
 
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