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How low can house prices go?

Jul 07 2008 15:10 Joan Muller

Johannesburg - Data released by banks and other residential property players over the past few days suggests that the outlook for the housing market has taken a sharp turn for the worse.


In January this year most property analysts were still debating whether or not house price growth will dip below 10% in 2008. At the time, most banks and estate agents were still reporting double-digit growth and the possibility of house prices actually dropping this year was dismissed as a highly unlikely scenario.


But figures released by leading mortgage originator ooba (ex-MortgageSA) earlier on Monday show that house prices have already started to fall. These figures add further support to growing evidence that SA's housing slump may be far deeper and wider than generally anticipated.


The price correction is particularly evident at the lower end of the market. Saul Geffen, CE of ooba, says the group's data shows that the average price of a property bought by first time buyers has fallen 4.9% over the past 12 months, from R548 800 in June 2007 to R521 600 in June 2008.


Geffen says most of that decline has occurred in the past month with prices dropping from R542 400 in May 2008 to June's R521 600, a decline of 3.8%. The average price of all property purchased according to ooba's research has dropped 1.7%, from R807 000 in June 2007 to R793 600 in June 2008.


These figures follow the release of Standard Bank's monthly property gauge last week, which shows that median house prices dropped 11.3% in June. Twelve months earlier in June 2007 Standard Bank's median price index was still rising at 18.8%.


Absa's monthly house price index released on Monday may well still be in positive growth territory, with average prices up 3.8% in June. But Absa's figures nevertheless also point to a rapid slowdown in housing activity in recent months. In fact, both the Standard Bank and Absa indices are now at their lowest levels in nearly a decade despite the two banks using different methodologies to measure house price movements.


The key question is where house prices are heading over the next six to 12 months, particularly given the possibility of further interest rate hikes in August and October. Property economist and valuator Erwin Rode dismisses earlier suggestions that house prices could tumble by as much as 40%. Rode forecasts a more moderate house price drop of 10% over the next twelve months.


He expects house prices to stabilise by mid-2009 and thereafter to move sideways for at least three to five years. In other words, although Rode doesn't expect a massive landslide in property prices he also doesn't foresee any real recovery in housing activity until at least 2012. Rode says his view is based primarily on SA's worrying inflation outlook, which appears unlikely to improve any time soon.

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R Carolus
Aug 09 2008 20:36 Report this comment

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7548877.stm
 
R Carolus
Aug 09 2008 20:35 Report this comment

Fannie Mae makes $2.3bn loss http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7549428.stm
 
R Carolus
Aug 09 2008 20:33 Report this comment

Royal Bank of Scotland makes a £695m loss http://www.ft.com/cms/84d2eba2-2a26-11dc-9208-000b5df10621.html?_i_referralObject=817125926&fromSearch=n
 
R Carolus
Aug 07 2008 17:41 Report this comment

Of course Rode says his view is based primarily on SA's worrying inflation outlook, which appears unlikely to improve any time soon. He wants to be excused for not telling the people the real scenario. The banks and the government are just the same, pushing a deceitful cover-up campaign, hiding the nasty bigger picture from ordinary people who need facts in order to protect themselves. The housing crisis and credit crunch in SA is caused by extreme pressure on the global financial system which is in turn affecting SA banks. The interbank lending rates are far too high and the volume of interbank lending has dropped to a trickle. Banks have to restrict lending to preserve their capital ratios. The whole dirty business of US fradulent sub-prime mortgages is now being cascaded by Alt-A. (It began to be seen when Indymac recently went to the wall) If Alt-A isn't enough, prime is about to follow. And if that isn't enough, the coming defaults on the crashing UK housing market is estimated to be larger than the US sub-prime, Alt-A and prime defaults put together, and neither of the latter two have really begun playing out yet. To put this into perspective: The total US-UK write-downs will be about $10trillion. Only about $1trillion have been written down so far. Only another $500 bn can be written down without all banks in the world shutting down for good, and even coping with that sum will be with extreme difficulty. There are two outcomes: either central banks will copy the Federal Reserve and extend as much credit as is needed to prevent more than 50% of the world banks collapsing, trying to avoid a world depression until their last gasp, and with the help of their respective governments push the payback schedule for the remaining debts onto the taxpayer for 30 years, or there will be a Second Great Depression. It all remains to be seen whether the strategy mentioned can be pulled off. Ben Bernanke is a student of the Great Depression. He has warned that the situation is grave. Also take a look at his face in the most recent picture. It is one of a depressed, almost dead man (see picture on timesonline). He knows what most people don't know - that in 1929 they didn't have the vast cancerous extent of internal destruction in the world banking system due to the massive fraudulent mortgage mis-selling that we have now. The capitalist system cannot be completely free - it has to have a regulation framework to work, otherwise crooks can destroy it, and quite fast. When George W Bush and his crony government became cowboys and relaxed finance regulations and did not prosecute naked short selling (selling shares you don't yet have) and allowed 'creative' solutions such as re-packaging stinking worthless defaulting mortgages into AAA mortgage-backed 'securities' which were then sold on to banks in the UK and elsewhere (and even to UBS in Switzerland!) the international banking system was mortally undermined. Now the whole world is left with the mess. But forewarned is forearmed. Get yourselves a vegetable patch, an orchard and an acre of cereal so that you can survive. That is what Russians did in the 1990s when the state enterprises collapsed and the average length of life dropped to under 40 years. You can get an idea of what is coming by looking at this video: redstateeclectic The Alt-A shoe about to drop (notice that the mortgage resets will carry on to 2012) and the very recent 5-6 august reports on the markets by John Authers 'The Short View' and others on FT.com (free videos) will fill you in on the rest. see especially yesterday http://www.ft.com/cms/bfba2c48-5588-11dc-b971-0000779fd2ac.html
 
Steve
Jul 10 2008 08:05 Report this comment

I wonder where the Plettenberg Bay houseowners plan to emigrate to? The problems of high oil prices, inflation, lower growth and falling property price are international, not just local. By all means leave, but hold on to your property.
 
Adriaan
Jul 09 2008 08:32 Report this comment

Can't wait for it to drop 40%! Wish all you pessimist can pack your bags even quicker so that I can pick up a few bargains and enjoy the country and my new house without your constant whinging about my country.
 
alan
Jul 08 2008 15:42 Report this comment

What a crazy question! Supply and demand rules the world! In demand R9000 per sqm - No demand R3000 per sqm. Its no more difficult than that.
 
Lorraine
Jul 08 2008 11:39 Report this comment

Bottom line's comments have some truth. Here in Plettenberg Bay every second person has his house on sale with a view to emigrating. The bottom has fallen out of the market and houses are not even fetching 50% of the asking prices.
 
 
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