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State to appeal e-tolling court order

2012-05-17 10:15

Cape Town - Government remains committed to e-tolling and will appeal the High Court in Pretoria's interim order halting the implementation of the system in Gauteng, spokesperson Jimmy Manyi said on Thursday. 

"Cabinet has taken a decision to appeal the interim order to stop the e-tolling," Manyi told a fortnightly post-cabinet briefing.

He said the government only received a written copy of Judge Bill Prinsloo's April 28 judgment late on Wednesday.

"As we are sitting here, our lawyers are studying the judgment and will advise the executive in due course."

He added: "Cabinet reiterated its commitment to the user pays principle and its decision on e-tolling as an efficient mechanism of collection."

Manyi said cabinet also made plain it would not allow the embattled SA National Roads Agency Ltd to default on the debt it incurred to complete the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP).

"As a country we need to demonstrate unequivocal commitment to meet all our contractual obligations, including repaying the debt incurred in the construction of GFIP. Defaulting on our debt is simply not an option."

Comments
  • Nicholas - 2012-05-17 10:20

    Here we go again, they will just not listen! The first two slaps were clearly not hard enough ...

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:21

      Ok Sanral - now it's time you got a proper PK

      Nosiphom - 2012-05-17 10:30

      Why don't they use the money they would be wasting on the appeal on paying for the roads ?

      Fredster - 2012-05-17 10:36

      This makes you think who in government is REALLY wanting their cut

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:42

      @Nosi - they dont care, because the Taxpayer has to pay for the Govt. appeal.

      Martin - 2012-05-17 10:44

      been hoping for this, something to do, good luck with that gov and sanral, you fail to see the screw up, the taxpayer is not going for it, ace parking gonna lose and so is sanral and the austrians

      sabongam - 2012-05-17 11:10

      Hope they lose the blerrie appeal and every other decision after that concerning this e-tolling circus...

      Press - 2012-05-17 11:13

      Well - that was predictable - removal of the e-toll method will take away an important collection point in the ANC's food chain . . .

      Mark - 2012-05-17 11:14

      I am sure there are more tidy ways to self-destruct, than taking on the SA Public.

      Rob - 2012-05-17 11:45

      LOL Nicholas. Very well said. They have hard heads believe me.

  • Alan - 2012-05-17 10:21

    I wont pay .. Etoll's are dead and buried.

      anton.faber.3 - 2012-05-17 11:15

      I'm making my donation right now. Down with extortion. Down with corruption. Down with e-toll.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 11:22

      I really hope you're right, but I doubt it. Government is involved, they've got the 'wiff' of money, and they'll push it through to feed their insatiable lust for money & power.

      Gerald - 2012-05-17 17:43

      @Alan. Even if they resuscitate etoll from yr 'dead n buried', it remains a victory by society. Govt now knows they dont exactly have puppet strings on us. That alone has put down whatever other horrors they had 4us on their bloodsucking pipelines. Sjoe!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-18 00:03

      It seems that we are all assuming that the government's appeal will be successful. I think not. But what I think would be a good idea is that all the members which have joined OUTA, make it known that we will sacrifice one day, when push comes to shove, to appear as witnesses as soon as a few people are arrested for non compliance or comtempt of court or whatever. We could not only make the system collapse but in the process jam the courts to such an extent that that systems will also become unmanageble..Actually this is just wishfull thinking and I'm not realy serious. This just serves as an example of hundreds of little outcomes which would make this theft and corruption, sink. Send OUTA suggestions of any actions which we could engage in to teach these servants of ours.. that that is exaxtly what they are. THEY ARE HERE TO GIVE US A REASONABLE SERVICE - NOT TO PUSH US INTO POVERTY !!

  • dave.elmore.5 - 2012-05-17 10:25

    The government is just letting us know that they will directly waste our taxpyer's moneys in this rather than Sanral indirectly wasting our money, since they refused to challenge the order

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:28

      Exactly - they want to put a financial burden on Outa - why should the Govt care? Their attitude is that they can do what they lke and the Taxpayer will pay. Well Govt - I have already donated twice to OUTA for legal fees, and I will continue to do so if they need money. I am taking a stand against corrupt extortion. I aint ever gonna pay a cent for using the new toll roads. Gantries for sale .. anybody interested. Never been used..

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:36

      (Alan2 here) Totally agree. I will also donate money to OUTA, and so should everyone who uses the Sanral toll roads. After all, we are each saving at least R550 per month. It's time we, the hard-pressed taxpaying public, took a firm stand against these ANC bullies. No more apathy. Manyi is trying to outdo PW Botha with his high-handed tactics. Well Manyi and Scamral - here's MY middle finger.

  • Christo - 2012-05-17 10:26

    Ding Ding!! Round number .... cant remember. What must the ratepayer/taxpayer do to tell government "You are taxing us to death, We cannot afford this"

  • wynandjsmit - 2012-05-17 10:28

    Te laat, jou swaap.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-05-17 10:30

    Its a strategy, they hope OUTA runs out of money along the way!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:33

      you can SMS R20 donations to OUTA SMS "noetoll" to 40773. Lets send these goons a clear message - NO ETOLLS!!!!!!!!!

      Mhlonso - 2012-05-17 10:56

      @Alan-Thanks for the info. Outa please advertise this SMS number so more people will know about it. Out with the crooks out! Phansi ngezigebengu phansi!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 11:02

      Or go to the Outa website to make bigger donations. Truly - I have never spent money more happily than donating to Outa.

  • Andrew - 2012-05-17 10:31

    Typical. One minute they are not appealing then the next they are. Typical of this weak ANC govt.!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:38

      They are trying to bankrupt OUTA. Dirty politics rules supreme in SA.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-17 10:35

    Why is government so adiment on losing power?Bomb these stupid gantries!!!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:43

      it's not like they are the brightest lights on the Christmas Tree!

  • Nare James Mashamaite - 2012-05-17 10:35

    Yes, have the e-toll running, provided that government officials, especially anc members, pay double from their own pockets.

      Maredi - 2012-05-17 10:41

      Mokone, government officials' pockets are full of our own tax money. That means we will still be paying for them!

  • Rob - 2012-05-17 10:36

    I am begining to feel like I am living in a kindergarten and there are groups of bogeymen trying to prove that they have authority (and my respect or maybe fear)...they are failing miserably, notching up rational resistance and irritation. Sooner or later I either get into ungovernable reistance mode or pack my suitcaes.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:41

      THey can do what they like - if SA stands united - the Govt will have to back down with their yellow tails between their legs. They think they can dictate instead of SERVE .. well I have HAD ENOUGH!

  • Phelamanga - 2012-05-17 10:41

    What the cabinet can do is discuss their cut in salaries to about 50% of what they are receiving now. They can then use this to pay for their e-tolling blunder as they, it appears, are responsible for this mess.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:45

      You have to be joking. But it would be cool if they adopted the attitude to 'SERVE' the people who pay their inflated salaries. I smell a revolution in the air.

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-05-17 10:42

    Wish we had elections now to sink this gravy train government for once and all!

  • Jaco - 2012-05-17 10:50

    "as a country" i don't remember wanting this...What percentage of the public would of said "Good idea, build the etoll!"

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:54

      ummmm - what percentage makes up Govt and Sanral?

      Mhlonso - 2012-05-17 11:08

      0.000001% Mafioz thugs on the loose, i tell straight.

  • Frans - 2012-05-17 10:51

    @Cosatu I have a truck load of rocks and bricks, when is the march? You'll find it difficult to miss these fat cats.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:55

      Yeah - looks like the DA and Cosatu are going to be united soon.

      Press - 2012-05-17 13:36

      Aaag Jaaa - old wounds heal quickly if you have a common enemy . . .

  • Stefan - 2012-05-17 10:53

    heard there are tons and tons of copper wire in that gantries...worth hudreds and hundreds of thousands of rands... :-) Hope the right people get the message...

  • lmapheto - 2012-05-17 10:54

    Mr. Manyi you seem to be very adamant that the e-tolling system will indeed be implemented despite what the people say...so you jumped to the opportunity when you heard that government will appeal...take a look at yourself and note this: the people are the ones that made sure you are employed (the majority of voters) so in essence you work for the people you don’t even listen to...just to spoil your tea time ponder this: THE PEOPLE SHALL GOVERN THE PEOPLE SHALL GOVERN THE PEOPLE SHALL GOVERN...Amandla!!!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 10:58

      Anybody job a job for Jimmy? Maybe dismantling gantries?

  • lmapheto - 2012-05-17 10:59

    Ok i am not done with you yet...E-TOLL WILL GO TO THE SOUTH AFRICAN HISTORY BOOKS OF BLUNDERS THAT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. Do you know the saying: do things perfect the first time to avoid setbacks? That did not happen

  • Werner - 2012-05-17 11:03

    So we must still pay to enrich somebody? I do not think so!

  • isabel.w.stokes - 2012-05-17 11:06

    I wish the next General Election was tomorrow! Then JZ would see how serious South Africa is about this. He is going exactly the right way about alienating his electorate. Sad thing is, COSATU would still vote for them. VIVA DA!! They are the only people who can save us.

  • Reggie - 2012-05-17 11:07

    The ANC cadres want their slice of the cake people. Pigs with snouts in the trough and its getting empty. No arms deal etc so the revenue she is drying up so we have to milk the "rich" Gauteng motorists becuase we are "rich" enough to drive around in cars. Time to support SANTACO and leave the cars @ home people

      Werner - 2012-05-17 11:12

      Ngonyama’s infamous riposte was “We didn’t struggle to be poor”

      Ridwan - 2012-05-17 16:20

      screw santaco!!!!!

  • Werner - 2012-05-17 11:07

    But I am Paying for it Jimmy, I paid import duties on my car, I paid Carbon tax, I Pay vat when I service it, I buy a licence disk every year (Which increased by 27% last year) I buy a new Drivers License every 5 years and every time I put in fuel I pay 1/3 in taxes. So I have paid!

  • tk.bhengu - 2012-05-17 11:08

    Is this what we call democracy, the views of the many are trampled by a few who are in power and misusing state resources to dictate terms to the society. These people never think twice to initiate lengthy and costly legal battles which cost millions, taxpayer’s money. It takes them half a decade to build houses or create jobs for our people. Democracy only matters to them when they count votes, that's the only majority voice they can clearly hear, listen to and act on it, i.e., spend millions celebrating elections. People have spoken, we don’t want the eTolls, and so why enforce something we don't want. These guys forget that they are public servants, they are there to further our interests, protect us, represent us, but they think they are kings who can dictate things to us. These guys struck deals behind our backs, with personal benefits, securing retirement for themselves when they retire they become these overnight millionaire business men and women, at our cost. What puzzles me is that when these guys are campaigning for elections they roam the streets without any bodyguards; they stretch their hands to shake our hands, door to door visits. But, once they are in office you can't even come an inch close to them. Here is the reason why, you screw people, you become their enemy, that's why they have bodyguards. Who do we trust?

      Ridwan - 2012-05-17 11:26

      TRUST THE DA! THE ANC tried everything in their power to dicredit them and often left with egg on their faces! I am not a member of the DA but help........they r the only party fighting for us, the youth and this country!

      Michael - 2012-05-17 11:44

      I fully agree with the democracy rape case stated here by tk.bhengu. once again the public is being beaten down on the tarmac and spread open under great hostility and raped, gang raped by a few greedy folks. Spend the public's money and force the public to pay more...wait a minute this sounds just like dictatorship...at least those countries give free education.

  • Alan - 2012-05-17 11:08

    One would think that when Alli Baba bailed ship, it would have been a clue to the Govt. But NO, arrogance reigns supreme.

      Ridwan - 2012-05-17 11:27

      stupidity reigns supreme!

  • MattQ4 - 2012-05-17 11:09

    What is wrong with these people.. The entire presidential cabinet seems to be on some wild goose chase.

  • marschoeman - 2012-05-17 11:18

    In in other news.... The police spent R81 million rand on overseas trips in the last financial year. I will pay e-tolls if they get of the gravy train...

      Alan - 2012-05-17 11:25

      I will never pay

  • Ridwan - 2012-05-17 11:22

    Clearly the farts that be stand to lose big time! Government must ne broke so now they are passing the buck to us, the general tax paying public. 2014 is around the corner! Jimmy and co, your gravy days are numbered! Soon you will join the unemployment lines!

  • Chantelle Barnard - 2012-05-17 11:23

    Like you said, its YOUR debt. Not our problem. You went ahead with this thinking we as a country would again pay for you stuff up's. Not anymore. How bout you do some House cleaning and take half of your R1 00000 salary per month. Cause none of us can afford it!!

  • Everon - 2012-05-17 11:33

    And who beleives what Manyi says???

      Alan - 2012-05-17 11:43

      ummm let me think . umm umm . um .. NOPE, not me.

  • chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 11:36

    The government is aware the Outa is already Financialy burdened. This is why they are going to appeal the case. They are going to take our tax payers money and throw into this case and simply outspend OUTA. Unfortunately they will win in the end if we do not stand up and fight back. The question is how do the people stop this from happening? The answer is throw our money into the pot "DONATE DONATE DONATE" Send sms repeatedly to OUTA get their banking details. Take R50 that you would spend on "Legaly" an e-tag, if the E-toll takes off and send that to Outa and whilst you are at it throw in an Additional R50 that would not be legally bound but rather from your personal resource. If this is not enough add in just one month of what you would of expected to of payed legally for e-tolling, if it took off. This will mean Outa will be in the financial position to literally Outspend them "Gauranteed". This will have them running back and withdrawing their Legal Appoach. Do it Now "GO TO OUTA WEBSITE AND GET THIS BALL ROLLING" Do this ASAP before Government are able to get a handle on this case. http://www.outa.co.za/site/

      chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 12:01

      The Government is simply shifting the Financial Burden from Sanrail to themselves thus removing the pressure from Sanrail. People should continue to apply pressure on Sanrail even Further. If you Bought an e-Tag go push them for a refund forcing them into further Financial Ruin. If you get that money back then send only half of those monies recieved straight to OUTA. We will crush this E-TOLLING like never before, sending a clear message to all. The people stand for the people, Not the people stand for government. The governement needs to get a clear message that they are there to represent the people, and not the people are there to support the government.

      chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 12:17

      Here is a quick Calculation for you. If we are to say legally pay R50 for an E-Tag If we are to Legally pay a capped Limit of R550 Then lets for argument sake state the following it would not be unreasonable to expect then that a capped total for the first month would be R600 in real terms of E-tolling Collection So then lets for argument sake say we only have to pay half of the R550 this would then come down to a total of R275 just for your first month in a conservative calculation. Now lets take half of that R137.50 Which is really really conservative in terms of What you would be Legally obligated to pay. Now take the number of people that have reportedly already registered which is in the region of 500000 people. Lets imagine for a second that 500000 people Donated instead of these monies to E-tolling they donated that to OUTA for Legal fees. This would put R68750000 at the disposal of OUTA for fighting and preventing this thing from ever even taking off. R137 is not a huge expectation in terms of a once off fee for the freedom to be heard.

  • odupreez - 2012-05-17 11:37

    The super market chains like Pick & Pay appear to have already costed the increase into their rack prices, as the prices of several items have gone up by 50%, in other words from 12.99 to 17.99 per item ( dog food), obviously with more to follow.

  • monkinsane - 2012-05-17 11:40

    And it starts again! Will they never learn? How do they expect to succeed if the people are against E-Tolls? Go ahead and implement the E-Tolls, and see if you get a cent out of me you arrogant, corrupt, ignorant, stupid, pathetic little worms!

  • Chris - 2012-05-17 11:40

    “Agreed someone has to pay for the upkeep, maintenance and improvement of our grand roads so that we can be proud of our roads when compared to the rest of Africa BUT HOLD ON this anc government and their petrol fuel levies has already been collecting vast billions over many many decades for this exact cost. YOU CAN"T come along now in 2012 and impose your citizens / give us the guilt trip where anc appointees have indeed squandered and depleted the reserves intended for this very cost. Accountability first and foremost and where such wastage and thieving of petrol state coffers was found corrupted, those officials to be removed from their posts and such funds refunded back into the petrol state collected coffers. We the people have long since paid for such improvements - just how was the road accident fund and it's cripplingly multibillion collapse that transpired under the leadership of and when the anc appointees took charge of such petrol levies and state collected mechanisms. If the RAF is anything to go by on - where anc directorship appointees pay themselves and award themselves muti million rand performance bonuses salaried cheques i rest my case. NO VOTE of confidence with those managing such affairs they forced such state petrol collected coffers into bankruptcy and now expect and demand the public must pay.... !!!!!!!” Carla C Viana

  • msira.gcukumana - 2012-05-17 11:44

    i wont be suprise if they cancel etoll around 2013 for 2014. This is daylight robbery and these people know that!!!!!!!!

  • Enlightened - 2012-05-17 11:45

    Wka up everyone. This is now a totalitarian state run by the ANC. They will implement e-tolling no matter what gets put in it's way. I give it 20 more years before the country is in totl ruin.

  • Thomas - 2012-05-17 11:48

    Hey Mr. Manyi, I totally agree, we must pay our debts for future investments as well. The problem however for me is that we already pay fuel levy taxes, tolls on roads that's already been paid for, licence renewals, etc. So what is happening to that money? If my house is dirty I clean it up myself, or pay someone to clean it up, so you want me to pay to clean up your dirty house and tomorrow I must pay for that again. Common, play fair and don't keep threatening with lawyers who is just going to cost us more money, get to the root of your problem and clean your house then you could have financed already another free way project. Do you really think by diverting the focus we will fall for that? I am so tired of incompetence like this!!! A rule of thumb, stick to the basics and the rest will look after itself. Stop this total corruption and waste of OUR money in the government and use the money for what is supposed to use for, basic enough for you!!!

      Gert - 2012-05-17 13:53

      They realised they have lost control of corruption and running the admin of the country, so they won't be able to clean house, but they are really going to mess this house up now. Adding every bit of bad service delivery and this toll gate fiasco and future guaranteed corruption with funds, it will end in a change of power or with at least wide spread riots.

  • Takalani - 2012-05-17 12:12

    Manyi !! make sure you and your cronies steal enough because 2014 we gonna vote out!!!period ,,hide some cash with khulobose zuma

  • kate.ihlenfeldt - 2012-05-17 12:29

    er ... "the debt it incurred to COMPLETE the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP)" ..??? As far as I can tell, the project isn't complete anyway. There are still huge sections of road that are incomplete, or not improved at all. And what happened to the fact that the deadline for appeal has long passed?

  • chad.blignaut - 2012-05-17 12:33

    Well the PEOPLE won the e toll saga by standing together, we GAUTENGERS will do the same again by standing together ! BOYCOTT - BOYCOTT - BOYCOTT - BOYCOTT remember: united we stand - divided we fall !!!!!

  • Gert - 2012-05-17 12:34

    Maybe with this new evidence can be forced out of some corrupt officials and those anc that will benefit will be exposed.

  • Robinson - 2012-05-17 12:44

    r we even suprised?...hell no...with so many anc owned companies due 2 benefit if not benefited already....yeah my fellow citizen,lets pay up nd make dem more richer while da rest of da ppl who put dem in power toyi toyi monthly nd sum starve 2 death...Amen

  • jared.burchell - 2012-05-17 12:45

    Somebody ain't gettin their moneys!

  • ian.d.samson - 2012-05-17 12:54

    Govt can get the R20+billion back from their idiotic "arms deal" and pay for the roads that way instead.

  • Poppie1976 - 2012-05-17 13:38

    "DEMONSTRATE UNEQUIVOCAL COMMITMENT TO MEET OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, like paying the debt". Maybe Government should have discussed this with us the people before going ahead and just assuming we will sit back and pay a ridiculous amount of money. Who the hell can afford this??? Maybe if I worked for the Government I would be able to afford this. Darn. I need to change jobs.

  • phoenix3670 - 2012-05-17 16:32

    Off course government are going to appeal the decision. It means they have to start forking out for spending money that they didn't have

  • Ansie - 2012-05-18 23:52

    The e-tolling system was just another scheme plotted by government officials to steal money, as they have run out of means to steal money, as they have correctly stated "As we are sitting here" that means "growing our stomachs and backsides" should be the correct statement.

  • Ansie - 2012-05-18 23:55

    If this ruled out, I suppose the petrol price is going to increase shortly, because somebody is going to have to pay for the Mercs and BMW's and houses and walls and security and holidays.

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