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Skill, not race ensures jobs - SAIRR

2012-09-19 14:31

Johannesburg - Educational achievement is a more important indicator of why people are employed rather than race, the SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) said on Wednesday.

"The proportion of people by race in professional positions closely mirrors the proportion of people by race with professional qualifications," said research manager Lucy Holborn in a statement.

The data challenged the view that South African employers were resisting racial transformation in the workplace.

According to the data, there were about 41% of black people with degrees and there were 36% of blacks in professional positions.

There were 45% of white people with degrees or higher qualifications and there were 42% of them in professional positions.

"While a degree of racial prejudice exists in all societies, the data suggests that educational achievement will determine the pace of future employment equity progress in South Africa," she said.

Sairr sourced information from Statistics SA and the Commission for Employment Equity.


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  • adriaan.pieterse - 2012-09-19 14:41

    I wish people could just understand that the only way to close the divide is to educate the people. And you can yack on about racism until you are blue in the face but if you do not educate the youth they will ALWAYS stay disadvantaged.

      wvmerwe - 2012-09-19 16:43

      Well the ANC will not educate them because then they will not vote for them...

      zelda.lategan - 2012-09-20 10:07

      I agree with you but this is the point that our government seems to miss. They are still not educating the kids. They throw the books away and children is still sitting underneath trees and being taught because they don't have class rooms or schools

      KennyGrass - 2013-04-19 18:13

      cANCer must keep the masses Dom otherwise the would loose half their voters.

  • sean.odonnell.1466126 - 2012-09-19 14:42

    It has taken you 18 years to arrive at this conclusion?

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-19 14:46

    Well, thats the way it should be, but it isnt. Otherwise we would not have complete morons in some of hte positions that they have. Some do not have a clue, but the "Cadre deployment" is the thing that matters most.

      staci.turnbull - 2012-09-19 15:50

      I know white morons in positions they shouldn't be in #justsayin

  • charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-09-19 14:48

    How much did most of these degrees (certificates/dipolomas) and so on cost I wonder....the ones that are not ligit I mean..

      charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-09-19 14:50

      We have ministers/presidants that are called "doctors and professors and much more" but some cant even read or write properly...just saying.

  • klaas.waarzegger.7 - 2012-09-19 15:00

    Charms. I would not point a finger in that direction if I were you.

  • pierrefrewd.juice - 2012-09-19 15:01

    They needed a study to get to this conclusion?

  • avanwyk2 - 2012-09-19 15:09

    They are the same people that said we must give the ANC more credit. What a joke!!!!

  • linette.myburgh - 2012-09-19 15:13

    Pffft of course the Race Relations office would say that but I want to know what the Skills Development office has to say...

  • Shaun - 2012-09-19 15:22

    EQUAL OPPURTUNITY FOR ALL.THE MOST QUALIFIED PERSON FOR THE JOB MUST GET IT

      guyp1 - 2012-09-19 15:59

      This is exactly my thought. Then again it won't be that way till all race empowerment groups and laws are removed from the picture and all to tier business people realise this and act upon it. I would love to see people hired for skills that they can bring to the table, and not for the colour of their skin.

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-09-19 15:29

    White people in Limpop didn't get the memo, I saw a lot of them at the Woolworths in Tzaneen today, an elderly gentleman even asked me to check the size of an overly priced pair of boring brown sandals, I thought its because I was black but turns out; he forgot his reading glasses. Oh he also thought the boring brown sandals were expensive, he walked away complaining like old men do, i guess that counts as a form of boycott.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-09-19 15:48

      I like this comment. It has an expectation of boycott in.(because he is white) Assumption of think you are being targeted as black.(because he is white) The fact that we all are getting old the same way.(eyes, mumbling and broke.lol) An agreement that the sandals are boring and expensive and... the fact that both of you "boycott" the shop due to not buying the sandals because it is to expensive.

      nani.ngoasheng - 2012-09-19 19:46

      Lol. This is definately not funny but I had to laugh. 'White people didn't get the memo'

  • markus.botha - 2012-09-19 15:47

    As long as humanity is going buy and sell, there will be a need to add value. The more value you can add, the more you should be remunerated for your skills.

  • neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-19 15:48

    For those white people always complaining about AA/EE, its a reality accept it. If you don't like it PLEASE leave and go to this country of milk and honey where you will be treated equally. Gripe and moan all you want, make a difference or get out the way. Stats, young white male (well half white SA and half porteno), 35 years of age, did my articles at a big 5 audit firm, yes got a job regardless of black applicants, moved to an Investment Bank, once again got a job, went to a hedge fund, yes had a job and now run my own business (sucessfully too) all of this after 1994. I have made more money here than I would have made in NYC (and yes I worked there for two years) and all without ever voting for the ANC or havinf coffee with Zuma. If you are jobless blame yourself, plenty for everyone here even if you do create your own opportunities.

      staci.turnbull - 2012-09-19 15:54

      Well said Neil !

      adriaan.pieterse - 2012-09-19 15:59

      In fact not well said, not everybody can have their own business. If thats the case the whole world economy would be different surely a man with your education understands economics. And basic common sense will tell you that you need workers just as you need entrepreneurs to much of one and it wont work.

      staci.turnbull - 2012-09-19 16:10

      @Adriaan - Neil just stated that he had worked and had made a success of his career despite EE/AA, so much so that he was able to start hos own business, I am sure with his degree and experience he does understand economics and is aware that NOT everyone can have their own business. he was merely stating that less whining and more hard work is usually a recipe for success!

      neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-19 18:02

      I appreciate the way you side skirt one fundamental point "TWO people of SIMILAR qualifications apply for the same job". I specifically said in my response to you that the people should be like candidates, that is the principle right? if it is not done this way in practice thats a different question all together. Yes your chose to adapt and survived, are you saying you are white and have a succesful property development business despite draconian laws??? the horror! And comparing Jews and Italians is completely off topic. I have been to Australia and have family there, it is a racist society which is full of discrimination. White South African's dont mind it because the discrimination is in their favour. SImple, accept that discrimination exists and stop whinging and make something of yourself, like you clearly did.

      neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-20 08:34

      Funny about the way you harp on and then come to the same conclusion as me. Are you so clouded by anger that you do not reason logically. "if you are worth your salt you will get a job" enough said. Yes I have EE friends I have no problem with mixing with anybody reqardless of creed color or religion. Do you?

  • carol.paterson.923 - 2012-09-19 15:49

    Makes you think where some of their degrees come from

  • crystal.core.5 - 2012-09-19 15:57

    I'm sorry, is this the Institute of Race Relations or the ANC Institute of Propaganda? How many jobs specify "BEE candidates only" "Whites need not apply" or how many racist ANC ministers brag about how they don't have a single "honky white" on their board or cabinet? How many jobs are available for white South Africans in the public sector as a %? or even on the National football team? According to international sports rules we should be barred from competing on the grounds of our racist quota system imposed by the racist ANC minister of sports. It goes against the word sport. Since formalising BEE or job reservation based on skin colour, the ANC has become known as the most racist government in the world. it is in fact the only government with these policies that victimise a minority race group. ANC are also vying for the most corrupt and most incompetent government in the world with incredible success. Surely such an organisation like this should raise objection to Jacob Zuma singing "shoot the boer / white man" in January this year at the 100 year ANC celebrations? Here is a million dollar question: Why is it OK for these "government institutions" to provide granular statistics of how many white males occupy management positions (ie. hardworking tax payers that employ and contribute to the economy) but it's "racist" to disclose the race of murder victims and their perpetrators race in the media?

      naas.scholtz - 2012-09-21 10:58

      Hats off for this comment! Well done! :)

  • Bfoq.Za - 2012-09-19 16:14

    As George Orwell says in Animal Farm: All animals are equal. Some are just more equal than others... The same hogwash are being preached here. If this so called statistics were correct, AA and Equity would not exist. So, stop propagating crap!

  • johan.peters3 - 2012-09-19 16:27

    interesting..... 41% 0f what? and same for white people 45% ofwhat im sure it cant be of the total population,surely not??

  • william.nettmann - 2012-09-19 16:51

    These figures are suspect - I very much doubt that 45% of whites and 41% of blacks in SA have degrees or higher qualifications.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-09-19 22:06

      I think it means the percentage of people in PROFESSIONAL positions that have degrees. I am not sure whether the author of this article has a degree, but I certainly hope not.

  • pierre.walt - 2012-09-19 18:19

    You are sleeping for 18 years now...

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-09-19 18:42

    We are No. 1 in the world again. I hear Durban has the most septic coastline in the world. Sewerage works not maintained spilling into the ocean. WTF.

  • kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-09-20 05:16

    Comrades Vavi and Blade did you read this article - some stats which iam sure can be backed up - get the education system working to remove people from poverty - quite simple - this was done in the past and SA o became a world power house so why cant this be done again...?

  • willem.vanrensburg.35 - 2012-09-20 06:52

    If there ever was a blatant lie, this is it. Even the so called skills level is extremely low. The no work culture of South Africans is the death of this country. Example is why do we need protection against well educated Zimbabweans?

  • pieter.pretorius.106 - 2012-09-20 08:20

    I guess the SA Institute of Race Relations will start to make more ridiculous claims like this now that countries like Australia threatens to re-introduce sanctions against South Africa for the racism in employing people, like in the Woolies and SAA case. See http://www.sapromo.com/features/item/318-australia-calls-for-sanctions-against-sa

  • ramona.fredericks - 2012-09-20 09:41

    i am more worried that jobs is not going to south Africans. I really don't care for the color crap which you all always so eager to jump on. I work for a German company and they bringing in to many Germans with no extra ordinary skills, taking up south African jobs. That is what i would like to be stopped.

  • Judy - 2012-09-20 14:02

    Well only dummies can follow the ANC type of thinking. So it is obvious that they need to keep the masses uneducated. Yes ANC does have some brilliant people just a pity they are in the minority. Majority is not always Right especially if it is made up of partially and completely uneducated. Two years+ of badly educated children all being given a glimpse of what is out there. All wanting it and being taught that if you strike,murder,pillage,destroy that its okay coz at the end you get what you wanted.

  • joe.blogs.98837399 - 2012-10-09 06:58

    Join our Class Action (lawsuit) against the South African Government, to End Affirmative Action and Race Based Policies. http://www.endaffirmativeaction.co.za

  • Funeka Mvumvu - 2013-04-18 16:24

    All i knnow its that i'm a victim and it sucks As long as you white you are covered,On top positions with no education and no experience, wouldn't we all love that?

  • John Calitz - 2013-04-19 10:49

    Our President is the most costly President in the whole world (8 wife's and 35 children? it could be more). We have 20 Kings in South Africa the cost to keep the Kings are billions or Rand. Then you have the Traditional leaders they take up Billions of Rand. So the EEC must put all these statistics in their research and you will see by figures not percentages that the Blacks are now by far the best of than all the other population groups together.

  • John Calitz - 2013-04-19 10:54

    I do see the following in my research, in the public sector from National Government, Provincial Government, District Municipalities, Local Authorities and the Metro's all the top posts are held by Blacks. If you look at motor car sales 80% of good expensive new cars are bought by Blacks that is people in top posts. Look at the Development Bank and hundreds of NGO's the top posts are held by Black. We must really not put percentages to give statistics we must give numbers. The census 2011 gives a population of 52 million, 44 million is Blacks plus we have approximately 10-12 million Black people illegal or legal from all over Africa in South Africa. If you compare figures you will see that for every 10 Blacks in a top position there is only 2 Whites. All Public sector National, Provincial, NGO's etc; etc all the top posts up to Deputy Directors are filled by Blacks in numbers they outnumber the rest of the population by far. They make out 70% of the workforce. I do not think the figures released by the EEC is statistical correct it is more political motivated.

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