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'SA produces wrong kind of graduates'

2012-01-10 12:08

Johannesburg - Universities are producing the wrong kind of graduates to redress South Africa's high unemployment rate, a labour analyst said on Tuesday.

"There are currently nearly 600 000 unemployed university graduates in South Africa, mostly in the arts, humanities and social sciences," said Adcorp labour market analyst Loane Sharp in a statement.

"Whereas the private sector has more than 800 000 vacancies in management, engineering, law, finance, accounting and medicine."

Sharp said some professional bodies also restricted entry into their fields through the standards they set, often in concert with universities.

This was typically backed by legislative and regulatory requirements.

Sharp said, for example, the General Council of the Bar, the law societies, the Health Professions Council of SA and the Institute of Chartered Accountants set their own criteria - like exams and low-paid articleship or housemanship - as a prerequisite for entry into the professions.

"By contrast, fields such as physics, finance, engineering, economics and management do not have professional bodies," he said.

A supplementary analysis to the Adcorp Employment Index released on Tuesday found that government handouts, trade unions and affirmative action were negatively affecting the desire to work in South Africa.

"As many as 10.2 million South Africans - one in five - receive grants of one form or another, amounting to 14.9 million grants or 1.5 grants per recipient, yielding average annual transfers of R9 539 per beneficiary," Sharp said.

Referring to Statistics SA's Quarterly Labour Force Survey, Sharp said 43% of unemployed people were willing to accept a job, if offered, when they were living off their own savings.

In contrast, only 11% of people would accept a job if they were supported by social grants and welfare.

"Unemployed people are also more likely to remain out of work if they are supported by social grants and welfare: the average duration of unemployment is 16 months for people who do not receive grants, compared to 21 months for people who do."

Sharp said trade unions also appeared to discourage work.

"Only 9.3% of unionised workers, as opposed to 17.8% of non-unionised workers, are prepared to work additional hours in a given week.

"And, of those who will do so, unionised workers are prepared to work an additional 0.9 hours a week compared to 2.4 hours a week for non-unionised workers."

The index showed that affirmative action also discouraged some job seekers.

Highly qualified whites were substantially less likely than blacks to find a job within 12 months of initiating a job search.

For job-seekers with a tertiary qualification, blacks were 34% more likely to find work than whites.

"This has contributed to the higher percentage of whites operating their own businesses."

"Business owners' share of national income increased from 39.9% in 1995 to 47.2% in 2011, while employees' share has correspondingly declined," Sharp said. 

Comments
  • 100002227914361 - 2012-01-10 12:22

    Maybe the ANC should stop interfering in Labour and let private business do what the want.

      otiose - 2012-01-10 12:29

      Unfortunately that is as likely as flying pigs. Perhaps the political environment will change enough over the decade to take these decisions away from the ANC

      Jeff - 2012-01-10 16:19

      No chane. The ANC control everything in this country, including sport.

  • 100003138857445 - 2012-01-10 12:28

    And still some sods believe this is a democracy. There are specific laws and legislation that excludes and targets whites, and still these idiots carry on. This country is a joke, and the ruling party and their followers even more so.

      100000859619065 - 2012-01-10 12:41

      Amen Sir.

      Simon Nape - 2012-01-10 14:18

      Clearly you can not comprehend our highly praised constitution world wide! These labour laws in place are meant to correct the wrongs of apartheid. Most pvt companies if not all have failed to implement AA or BEE or EE & the SD Act has not done justice either! All labour legislation are in line with the constitution of SA! We have systems in place which allows any citizen to report or fight any practice in contravention either with respect to race, colour, sex, etc...

      daniel.malan3 - 2012-07-15 19:42

      gosh Simon! You can't just give someone a work to do if they can't do it! (Look at our government!) If you're good enough you'll get what you deserve be it black, white, coloured or whatever!

      hannesenbrianda - 2013-02-07 09:27

      Simon the problem is that this kind of thinking is trapped in the past and not in line with current reality. The logic falls down if you try to provide opportunities for the descendands of those that were disadvantaged in the past without checking if they still are disadvantaged. If you compromise on merit the whole system of incentive for hard work falls apart.

      Concerned86 - 2013-02-07 09:39

      @Simon im sorry bud...our labour laws and constitution are not praised around the world. They are criticized on a regular basis mostly by economists but another example is the Dutch and their application to all European unions to boycott South African airways for its racist policies. Business functions on the pure notion that you either provide goods or a service and at the end of the month you have to make more money than you paid. Only way to do that is by having the best people for the job, those willing to work together as a team for the greater good of the business. When the company prospers the within it prospers!

  • 100003112680743 - 2012-01-10 12:29

    Too many grant,too much BEE,too many freeloaders and not enough usage of REAL skills,rather opting for colour placements!

      100000859619065 - 2012-01-10 13:21

      We have a media that has simply become puppets of the ruling party - viz the independence of the SAcan media is deceased. The content of the leading article has little to do with "SA produces wrong kind of graduates" (albeit a tangible problem).., It has everything though to do with: - The ANC's Transformation Policies - viz Affirmative Action - BEE, BBBEE, EE, IDC funding policies and the range other monikers it has adopted over the last decade (or so), failing dismally. - It is an overt indictment against the ANC’s failing ‘Social Engineering’ policies. Policies ranging from Black Nationalist Primary- and Secondary Education to brazen quotas in Tertiary Education, quotas extending to clemency in the marking of certain paper (most often by re-active adjustment of certain results), the Jobs-for-Votes program in state- and semi-state organisations, etc, etcetera. - The ANC inability to run a modern democracy. It is like a 7 year-old taking over a passenger airliner in mid-flight, at first everything seem 'hunky, doodle, dude', until the new operator has to take bona fide control of matters. The list goes on... The heading should have been: ANC Failing, the saga continues, unabated...

  • Pieter - 2012-01-10 12:33

    And bursaries depends on the color of your skin no matter if you got 10 distinction on University. Ask me. I have to pay all the way for kids to get somewhere. So afterwards if they get an foreign offer for work so be it.

      Ian fisher - 2012-01-10 13:05

      Me too Pieter and I am black. My kids are not getting any bursary!

      stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-01-10 13:33

      Never mind bursaries, the infamous "quota" system firstly determines whether you get selected to study (e.g.) medicine. Sickening!

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-01-10 12:44

    There is a shortage of docters, engineers and other professions, true. But the South African universities do not have the capacity to produce adequate numbers in these professions. And the standard being supplied from the SA schools is poor and falling! The result is that only the top students get selected for the professional degrees. We need more universities of quality. My daughter has just passed Grade 12 with University exemption, but will in all liklihood not be accepted for either of the 2 courses of her choice.

      Simon Nape - 2012-01-10 13:55

      Stefan I partially agree & disagree with you "that the standard supplied from schools is poor" the SA high school education is so advanced that in my time the things they learn in grade 11 I did in my 1st year junior degree. Its the primary education that needs to be addressed & the levels of discipline since teachers are not allowed to punish pupils anymore. In our time, methods of enforcing teaching practices involved a serious beating!

  • ian - 2012-01-10 12:50

    Interesting to read that qualified whites are ‘substantially less likely than blacks to find a job’. I am a graduate with B.Comm and post graduate LLB degrees but have had to seek employment outside of SA for my whole career due to Affirmative Racism. Despite a career with a number of multi-national corporations, initially in London and more recently in Los Angeles, I was told by a prominent head hunter on a recent visit to Durban to ‘go back- there is nothing for you here!’ I was told bluntly that I had to realize that ‘all these positions are strategically reserved for Affirmative Action!’ Shame on South Africa, and shame on us whites for tolerating this situation. PS – I note that commenting on News 24 will soon require a Facebook –only Account excluding those of us who do not display our personal lives online. How cowardly of you News24!

      Ian fisher - 2012-01-10 13:02

      The head hunter was lying to you Ian. Statistics show that White graduates are more likely to get a job that black graduates, and that is a fact. I know many black unemployed engineering and accounting graduates, but not one white one. Educate yourself, the university somehow failed to educate you.

      WallFly - 2012-01-10 13:12

      Wasn't there a court case a while back where a white police officer insisted on getting a position which was "reserved" for affirmative action, and she won because there were no black applicants? As far as I know (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm aware I might be), it's illegal to keep positions unfilled because there were no affirmative action candidates who applied. Sure, if AA candidates and non-AA candidates apply, the AA guys should get it, but if there are no applications, aren't businesses obligated to appoint suitable applicants? Or does this only apply to government positions?

      Simon Nape - 2012-01-10 13:14

      Ian this article is very misinformative! I am a black graduate & work 4 a big organization, but even though I am more educated than my sales manager or senior manager or director, based on experience they are in senior positions than me. By the way I also have a Bcom & MBA but am just a sales person.

      Phiwo Gasa - 2012-01-10 14:01

      You are looking in the wrong city. There are plenty "non-ee" "first language english/afrikaans" and "strictly afrikaans male" bcomm LLB jobs in Pretoria

      Eishh - 2012-01-10 15:47

      If you have the wrong qualifications for the job you are in, don't complain if you think your much older boss with 20 years more experience than you is less qualified than you. A BCom & MBA is not neccessary the correct qualification for a sales job.

      100003078206920 - 2012-01-10 16:00

      WallFly, there were reports of a number of vacant critical positions at various state hospitals due to the fact that there were not enough 'Black' applicants. Despite the fact that there were a number of highly qualified 'White' and Asian applicants, these were ignored and the positions remained (and I think still remain) vacant. How legal that is, I don't know. I do know, however, that it is unethical. In that regard, AA should be completely done away with because, if you check in the dictionary, 'racism' is 'discrimination by one race over another'. In this country if a 'White' is favoured, it's racism. If a 'Black' is favoured, it is 'transformation'. That is hogwash; racism is racism, no matter who it affects. AA IS racism and this country is suffering badly as a result of it.

      Jeff - 2012-01-10 16:12

      ian, News 24 is so cowardly that they do not accept ANY white CV's, be they male or female.

      Mike - 2012-01-11 09:06

      @Simon Nape - If you have an MBA you should not be confused by your situation at all. The point of a manager is to hire a great team. Do you really think this is how business works? If an employee is hired with more qualifications they automatically get handed the highest position in the company, regardless of whether or not the position is already filled? What planet are you living on? I have a B.Sc and a M.Sc, does that mean if I get hired and a member on the board of directors has less qualifications than me I should automatically replace them?

  • abie, AB - 2012-01-10 12:55

    weird... i am a law graduate from stellenbosch and after doing my articles ive been unemployed for more than 12 months. its fun sending your CV out to more than a 100 companies and not receiving a reply from one! very depressed south african typing this....

      proafrikaans - 2012-01-10 13:37

      My sympathy, boet, but one just has to look at your photo to realize that you are too white for the ANC Nazi's. Go and find your future in a country not ruled by the most racist regime since Nazi Germany.

      Jeff - 2012-01-10 16:08

      You must be white. We are all suffering the same fate in this racist country.

  • 100003138857445 - 2012-01-10 12:55

    Why do these reports get published but NEVER ANY comment requested from, or given by the ruling government?? (Note that I did not say ANC as this is a state issue and not a political party attack) - Whoever occupies the position of authority and policy making in a democracy should be able to answer to such index reports... Advising what they intend on doing in addressing the problem or why they disagree with the index... But Yet here we all still just sitting and commenting away to no avail, discussing relevant topics as if it matters ALAS never any indication from the ruling government on HOW these issues will be tackled.... Much rather they keep focussing on what this country could have looked like if apartheid continued as disguise for their tendency which would be... Chameleons of convenience.. Nuff said But Yet here we all still just comment away discussing relevant topics as if it matters but never any indication for the ruling government on HOW these issues are tackled.... Much rather they keep focussing on what this country could have looked like if apartheid continued as a guise for their tendancy which would be... Chameleons of convenience.. Nuff said

  • Ian fisher - 2012-01-10 12:59

    "By contrast, fields such as physics, finance, engineering, economics and management do not have professional bodies," he said. This guy is a labour market analyst and he doesn't know about the engineering professional body? I stopped reading right there.

  • Virginia - 2012-01-10 13:00

    We are a labour intense country, where are all the construction workers, engineers, plumbers, electricians, doctors,dentists etc coming from. We cannot all be CEO'S and sit behind computers.These students are wasting government time and money.

      fishycraig - 2012-01-10 13:09

      That's the problem. This generation expects the BMW, big pay cheque and a posh house before they even start work.

  • Donovan Delport - 2012-01-10 13:05

    "Engineering doesn't have a professional body"? I wonder if anyone has told the Engineering Council of South Africa (ECSA) that.

      Judith - 2012-01-10 13:12

      No not engineering but engineering economics - whatever that is!

      100003047093721 - 2012-01-10 13:17

      The difference is that it is not mandatory to be registered with ECSA to practice as an engineer. ECSA, in order to have more money in their coffers, would like it that way, but currently it is not the case. It is therefore voluntary to be register with ECSA, yet to practice medicine for example, you have to be registered with the professional body, otherwise you cannot practice your carreer - that is the difference. The way they expressed it in the article is confusing, of cause.

      Pauline Hanekom - 2012-01-10 13:42

      You don't have to register, but when last have you tried to apply for a decent paying engineering job without a PrIng? Impossible.

      Realist - 2012-01-10 19:06

      @Judith, re-read it. It definitely refers to Engineering. "...By contrast, fields such as physics, finance, engineering, economics and management do not have professional bodies"

  • murray - 2012-01-10 13:12

    It is not the fault of our universities it is the failure of the secondary schooling. There is no point in forcing scholars to all follow the narrow subject range path to Matric and then bleat about opportunities of school leavers. If there were more technical colleges, for scholars to enter in Grade 10, we would have people entering the workforce with skills rather than disillusionment, that many matric leavers have

  • Dikeledi Maruatona - 2012-01-10 13:15

    I don't know if I should say SA is producing wrong kind of candidates or not.But as a humanities graduate,I have found it very disturbing to work in a field that has no significance in what I have studied.Political Science and International Relations is my passion.I think the challenge lies with lack of enough programmes to train further graduates in their respective career fields.The public sector has many workers with experience but with no formal education.If those with formal education acquire enough training chances are,we will experience productive and service delivery orientated public workers.

  • Martin - 2012-01-10 13:22

    South Africa needs to invest more in education. There should be incentives for companies who hire graduates. Have you seen how the SA IT industry is ? Soon it is going to be similar to the textile industry. IT is being outsourced to India. In fact, there are many Indian ex pats already working in the major corporates. So that leaves our IT grads with no opportunity to gain work experience, and then building a dependency on India for IT.

      Realist - 2012-01-10 19:02

      The SA IT industry is also saturated with the wrong type of competency. This is particularly relevant in the Microsoft arena. I read an article a number of years ago that SA had more MCSE's than Europe, and from my experience I can quite believe the accuracy of the statement. This does not bode well for the MCSE as he/she is competing against an over supplied market.

  • O'Neil Debipershad - 2012-01-10 13:34

    I would suggest that the author of this article change the title to 'South Africa produces graduates with the wrong skin colour'... I am a chemical engineering graduate that is sitting unemployed! You sometimes wonder what just happens to your c.v after you've applied for a job...i guess as soon as they don't see a zulu name,it goes through the shredder! So before vomiting an article such as this, take a look at the number of unemployed white and indian graduates with engineering and bcom degrees and then publish this nonsense about there not being enough graduates!!!

      Fluke - 2012-01-10 18:50

      Consider changing your surname. South Africa no longer has legal definitions of race, so proving that you are not black could be interesting!

  • Pauline Hanekom - 2012-01-10 13:39

    "Sharp said some professional bodies also restricted entry into their fields through the standards they set, often in concert with universities." So now we should drop standards for medical and law professions? Does Sharp have more than 2 brain cells? Our matric certificate is already a useless piece of paper and now they want to lower university standards? Viva Banana republic!

  • chucky101 - 2012-01-10 13:57

    This is one of our country’s main problems, only 43 % of the unemployed are willing to accept a Job, and then you still need to weed out the % of those who want a Job to those who want to Work!

  • 100003236857622 - 2012-01-10 14:04

    This fellow does not have all his facts right. Engineering has a 'professional body' The Engineering Council of SA which controls entry into the profession and all engineers have to pay to be allowed to practice.

      Realist - 2012-01-10 18:56

      Engineering Council of SA (ECSA) covers Engineers, Technologists and Technicians. However, a qualification does not give you automatic access to registration with ECSA. You are required to proof that you have a certain level of experience and competency. It is a pity that the government saw fit to 'do away'/scale down apprenticeships in favour of short term 'learnerships'. During the 'hey-day' of apartheid, large numbers of whites left school at end of Std 8 (Grade 10) to take up apprenticeships. It was acceptable and these apprentices later became artisans after their 4/5 year apprenticeship. As Artisans they provided a useful input into the economy.

      Realist - 2012-01-10 18:56

      sorry 'prove' not 'proof'

  • Observer - 2012-01-10 14:05

    Sharp is blunt. O'Neil's comment is right.With post graduate engineering qualifications, I cannot find employment in SA. (Of course I am a white male over 50).

  • Cactus_Knigh - 2012-01-10 14:18

    Affirmative action is not right, but it gives the previously advantaged a taste of what it was like for the previously disadvantaged. Today I am still sub-ordinate to whites who had been appointed into higher positions during apartheid years, despite my far superior qualifications

      RamX - 2012-01-10 15:42

      I disagree. There's nothing wrong with Affirmative Action. As long as it has a limited time period and not used to gravely disadvantage the non-affirmable.

      RamX - 2012-01-10 15:53

      I disagree. There's nothing wrong with Affirmative Action. As long as it has a limited time period and not used to gravely disadvantage the non-affirmable. Oh, you will notice that qualifications merely improves your eligibility for a job and does not guarantee seniority per se. There's a lot to the work environment than just qualifications (which I admit are important) - what about skills, performance, experience, political savviness, work relationships, pursuasiveness, etc.?

      Mike - 2012-01-10 17:14

      why would your superiors be kicked out of their jobs just because you have a higher qualification? the whole aim behind being a good manager is to hire very good staff - staff that are experts in the field of the position they APPLIED FOR - if every manager had to hire staff that were less qualified than them then we'd be in big trouble. If it was down to you and your white superior trying to get the same vacancy, things would be different.

      Mike - 2012-01-10 17:19

      It's so easy to play the race card when you aren't given what you want - if I'm not the CEO of a national company can I say it's just because I am white? I've got a masters degree, I should be CEO - why am I not CEO? Is that the attitude I should have? It's because I haven't worked my way up and applied myself to be in that position. Simple. Around 10% of the population in this country is white, firing every white person with a job is not going to give the remaining 90% of the population mansions and merc's to drive. Get real.

      Cactus_Knigh - 2012-01-10 17:24

      @10000 you are obviously either too young or too white to know what I'm talking about. @Ramx I get your point. It's just that the criterea was different back then. Your skin colour determined your destiny

  • Bullhunter - 2012-01-10 14:18

    Affirmative action is meant for minorities NOT for majorities. The people who can pass maths (higher grade) and science and engineering degrees are leaving the country because of the ANCs racist policies.

      RamX - 2012-01-10 15:30

      Not true Bullhunter. Affirmative action can be applied both for minorities (like in the US) and the majority (as is the case in SA). Affirmative action is about redress and not the numbers.

  • Peter - 2012-01-10 14:29

    I wonder how many of those 600 000 unemployed graduates have the necessary science and maths qualifications to get degrees that lead to employment. None I suspect.

      Etienne Fourie - 2012-01-10 16:05

      As a recent graduate I wonder what you are smoking. I finished my economics degree sulla cum laude. No bank will even grant me an interview because im white. Yet I've managed to get two telephonic interviews in America? And will most provably being going over in the next couple of months. Btw, starting salary is $55000.

      Martin - 2012-01-12 13:13

      @ Etienne Fourie. "Sulla Cum Laude" you say? I think you will find it is called "Summa Cum Laude". Quite impressive that you achieve a distinction that you do not know the name of.

  • Gierg Seiznem - 2012-01-10 14:32

    School-leavers, university students and graduates need to realise that a degree does not guarantee anything. It provides a leg-up over non-graduates but does not, in any way, mean you will find a job. As a recent graduate with albeit limited lecturing experience, I know the unrealistic expectations of some students. You cannot study a 3-year BCom and expect R50000/month straight out of university. In fact, with a degree like, you are lucky if you earn R10000/month straight after graduation (regardless of race or gender). It is difficult to find a job and it will become increasingly so, but unrealistic expectations are part of the problem. Of course, this is by no means the only problem, but it is one I noticed had not been raised in the comments so far. Unemployment problems, although rife in SA, are not confined to SA. The US and many countries in Europe are also dealing with large numbers of unemployed people.

      melvict - 2012-01-11 07:50

      Everybody wants degrees. Nobody wants to do the real work anymore.

  • RamX - 2012-01-10 16:09

    I've got such a big grudge when it comes to govt grants. Already within the black communities there's a big problem of dependency and now the govt is making it worse by these grants. They are breeding a culture of dependency - not that they are not aware of this. I suppose they will try to secure the grass roots votes at all costs.

      Saksak Motsepe - 2012-01-10 16:47

      Grants are for children, old age and those with disability

      RamX - 2012-01-10 17:19

      @Saksak Motsepe: I have no problem with old age pension and disability grants. I can "stomach" child grants on compassionate grounds or very special circumstances. People are carelessly having children left, right and centre without any means of caring for them and our "good" govt is always there to rescue them. Many of these parents/guardians put this money to waste through alcohol and other wasteful endeavours. I don't care how hard it is, if you bring a child to this world and you are not incapacitated in any way, you must get off your butt and provide for them. This govt is taxing us to death in order to sustain this waste and the all-powerful tenderpreneur.

  • Gerald - 2012-01-10 16:33

    I STRONGLY DO NOT agree with 'matching' your life to the economy. YOU must happen to life! Success is guaranteed if you follow yr passion. If noone hires you, you STILL feel pressed to make a difference anyway and thats how new jobs taxrvnue etc are born, how eras defined.

      JohnPicarra - 2012-01-10 17:19

      Gerald, In an economy that is GROWING, everybody can find the job of their dreams. When an economy is SHRINKING, sacrfices are made at a government level, private sector level, even personal level. The Non Essential items fade away. I have not bought a picture in years. I hope you are not a painter. A JOB provides Income, an HOBBY provides Satisfaction. Don't confuse the 2.

      Gerald - 2012-01-10 18:31

      Strangely enough, I AM one deep deep artist and youve prob by now lost $ because of me. I wasted the best yrs of my youth effortlessly pumping proofs and theories to end up feeling purposeless at one Maude Str bank. Until i started drawing these killer ads that got things SOLD & FAST from there well... God cant waste time on you, no matter what yr purpose, theres always always a way.

      stuartsa - 2012-01-10 20:25

      100 percent agree Gerald. JohnPicarra- the economy works in cycles, ups and downs lasting about 5 years a piece. Your career lasts for 40 years. Matching the economys needs to suit yourself is the wrong approach I'm afraid.

  • Busisiwe Mabua - 2012-01-10 16:40

    i wish they could tell me which sectors have these open vacancies 'cos i have i a diploma in engineering and degree in project management but have not been able to get a jb for the past full year....."its all a lie"

      JohnPicarra - 2012-01-10 17:12

      I remember that Buthelezi, of Inkatha, changed the University of Zululand to TECHNICAL subjects only! And dropped the " the arts, humanities and social sciences " nonsense!

      JohnPicarra - 2012-01-10 17:14

      Busisiwe, I am also very worried about my eldest child, I want her to go to a 'Varsity whose qualifications ARE recognized!

      JohnPicarra - 2012-01-10 17:23

      Busisiwe, The article start off about 'graduates', and you claim to have a diploma. Perhaps you can study another year and bridge the gap?

      RamX - 2012-01-10 17:25

      I really feel for people like you Busi. Yes, it's true that there are lots of vacancies available (don't hold me to the numbers mentioned). What they don't mention in the article is that these jobs are for those who already possess experience (often "extensive" experience is mentioned). These are jobs for those already in the system.

      100003144486159 - 2012-01-10 17:43

      You have degrees but do you have experience? I often have people arriving at my business with degrees looking for work straight out of varsity. They are not willing to start at the bottom and work themselves into the position they studied for - they just want to step right into it. If you did well at varsity and you're prepared to work hard and start at the bottom you will work yourself up to the position you want to be in very quickly. Unfortunately I have often seen university candidates who have a degree but absolutely no sense of business or no clue of how to do the job when it comes to the real world. Work your way up...

      Met - 2012-01-10 20:43

      AA is a reality in SA and affects many white people. The government relies on business, mostly big, to do their dirty work for them.Under apartheid, these very same companies were very happy to ignore or disregard legislation which they regarded as immoral or discriminatory. Today they pursue immoral laws(AA) with grate diligence and vigour.A challenge to the younger folk: Create a FB where effected applicants can go and list these businesses, so that we, the man-in-the-street, can exercise our rights and withold support from those who discriminate. Action must be taken.

      Simon - 2012-01-10 21:31

      Busi the truth is there are too many young people like you. I am fortunate to have a job, but I am more educated than my management. I hold a Bcom & MBA but my manager only has matric, my senior manager has a diploma and my director cant even speak English (Sadly he would address us in our every six months national meeting in Afrikaans and still only a few gets the message. And when I enquire they tell me I do not have the experience????

      100000859619065 - 2012-01-10 22:38

      @Simon.., And you tell others they live in their own world... SCARY...

      Janine - 2012-01-11 08:50

      Don't you mean a degree in engineering and a diploma in project management? I never heard of a degree in project management. Maybe that is why you are unable to get a job??

  • eduardhomes - 2012-01-10 20:57

    Well done, just don't know why it was only published now. W SA needs technical skills, doctors, teachers, farmers (o sorry, the land issue again)

  • branden.hart - 2012-01-11 07:36

    We need more entrepreneurs, but then you have the BEEE procurement policies that prevent entrepreneurs from offering services. It's a nasty catch 22

  • Rodney_Douglas - 2012-01-12 15:31

    I was interviewed a few years back for a job by an American. The interview lasted for about 2 hours. We talked on various topics, it felt more of a conversation then an interview. I was offered the job immediately. After evaluating the interview I realized he never asked me anything related to the job. His perspective I learned that he hired me because he believed I could learn whatever is required for the job. My Bcom form his perspective just showed that i could learn how to do something. In SA we are to obsessed with having the right qualification instead of looking whether the person is showing the capacity to learn the job. I do agree that some jobs require a specialized skill especially engineering. We need to start re-looking at how we hire in this country. Stop boxing people. I studied economics and accounting, but I have been doing more marketing and sales throughout my career and I am damn good at it. But I was given the chance, cause someone believed in what i have to offer.

      Gierg Seiznem - 2012-01-13 11:01

      Thanks for the anecdotal evidence. I agree 100% with the point about degrees being signals of ability to learn (obviously there's some valuable content, but it's part of the package of a qualification) rather than teaching you exactly what you need to do in a particular job. Every organisation functions differently, so on-the-job training is always going to be necessary.

  • Cath - 2012-02-12 18:45

    I graduated with a degree in electrical engineering at the end of last year and luckily managed to find a job with a great company that I will be starting weith in May (I am a white female). My boyfriend, who got the top thesis mark in our class has not been offered ANY engineering jobs, even though he applied to the same companies that I did (over 100 different companies!). He has however, been offered a few "business analyst" positions, but he wants to work in the "engineering" field, not the "business" field. I'm just wondering where all these engineering positions that need to be filled are? And why have no engineering companies expressed an interest in my "white male" boyfriend if there is such a dire need for engineers???

  • nananatakemehome - 2012-07-15 18:50

    What are we going to do with 10 000 graduates with a Ph.D in "Egyptian Pottery of the 18th Century", when only one or ten could be enough? These individuals would be better off with a technical college certificate in Green Energy applications or electricity generation, masonry, and so on.

  • salahudin.david - 2012-07-16 08:37

    Important topic, but badly written. Please fire the reporter who wrote this unlettered piece - we must have standard.

  • thulasizwe.mthethwa - 2012-10-24 17:35

    These articles are sometimes cofusing NOT so long ago I read an arcle that stated that a 'White South Afrian is MORE LIKELY to get a job than a Blac South African' and in the same article they mentioned that ALL TOP managemnt jobs were occupied by mostly White South Africans (@ about 74% according to thier research). This is very confusing, but I hear a lot of WHITE complaining about jobs here - who is FOOLING who here? WHITE people we are in the same situation, atleast you people even get EDUCATION we on the other hand can't even get that...so we are far away from REAL JOBS, the only PROBABLE choice for us is Mining and Crime...shame South Africa.

  • mayande.sakati - 2013-01-23 20:08

    True. We are graduates and we do a max of 80hours a month in the medical field. South Africans, lets start working and have pride over what we work for. ANC has its own workers and they are trying to make a living as well. By being independent we will get what we want and show case our full potential.

  • riaan.stander.94 - 2013-02-07 09:43

    "Sharp said, for example, the General Council of the Bar, the law societies, the Health Professions Council of SA and the Institute of Chartered Accountants set their own criteria - like exams and low-paid articleship or housemanship - as a prerequisite for entry into the professions. What bs, i have a law degree which means nothing to me, I cannot article because the salary I would earn is not enough to support me let alone my child and dog. I find it sickening that professions which are infamous for the high salaries take advantage of vulnerable graduates. Its nothing more than abuse. Earn R3000 for 2 years doing articles and then suddenly jump to R30 000. While doing articles u are most likely also performing the duties which are too trivial for the attorneys to do, and tend to be more or less a glorified messenger boy/girl.

  • riaan.stander.94 - 2013-02-07 10:49

    I started documenting my search for a job on a blog if you want to discuss this. Its witty, cynical and ultimately tragic. http://provemewrongthen.blogspot.com/2013/02/have-you-been-struggling-to-find-work.html

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