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Nzimande: Black graduates struggle

2012-10-04 22:00

Johannesburg - Black graduates have more difficulty finding work than whites after leaving university, Minister of Higher Education Blade Nzimande said on Thursday.

He said 55% of black graduates from Stellenbosch were unlikely to find a job in their first year after receiving their degrees, compared to 12% of white students.

He said 29% of black graduates from the University of Witwatersrand could not procure employment in their first year after university, compared to seven percent of white students.

While further data was not available, Nzimande argued that the results could likely be found across higher education in South Africa.

"Most black youngsters do not have the family and other connections into the labour market that are generally enjoyed by whites and the few, more affluent blacks," Nzimande said in his prepared remarks at Walter Sisulu University.

The minister said historical inequality and poverty determined access to education and the ability to achieve academically.

Nzimande said this was despite efforts by the government to transform education.

He said historically black universities also remain disadvantaged in terms of resources and quality of academic programmes.

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Comments
  • ghi.mmn - 2012-10-04 22:35

    Oh please, what rubbish, probably because they have studied useless degrees. Make the comparison for the same qualification - all the racist BEE/AA policies favour blacks.

      fred.warren.986 - 2012-10-04 22:44

      You're right. Any black graduate in the engineering or finance field would be snapped up long before their white counterparts (at much higher salaries too). Companies are falling over one another trying to employ skilled black graduates to improve their EE scorecard. The ones that sit at home are mostly the ones who studied sociology, politics or human resources.

      nombuso.n.mtshali.1 - 2012-10-04 23:10

      I'm black and I'm studying Bcom Economics. I know people who studied the same Course and were unemployed to 6months to a year or more. I just hope I don't go through that. I'm not racist by the way I look up to two white people in the Finance industry Gill Marcus and Chris Hart. Not making excuses its just what I've observed.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-10-05 02:22

      A degree in Economics is really pretty useless in securing a job unless it is at least Masters. Bachelors and Hons degrees are little more than gateway courses to the real deal.

      glen.campbell.9440 - 2012-10-05 07:34

      Actually, I agree with luzuko. Most blacks at the varsity I was at were studying commerce degree's, probably because that is where they thought the money would be. The vast majority of BA graduates were white. I think whites are getting the jobs because white small business owners prefer to hire white graduates for a variety of reasons. Usually better verbal and written English, they fit in better with the existing staff, and the business owner probably feels white graduates are being hard done by due to BEE and AA. If a company isn't bound by legislation to hire blacks (e.g. the company is less than 50 employee's) I think that the majority of the time they will prefer a white graduate. I know if I wasn't white I would never have gotten my job.

      phumi.motsamai - 2012-10-05 11:32

      If you would go to the tertiary institutions you would find that he 'funny' degrees are mainly done by the white students and Engineering and Medicine his highly popullated by black students. I know this because I was there.

      buzz.bar.16 - 2012-10-05 13:08

      @phumi - medicine and engineering may be well populated with black students but very few of them finish their degree in this field. my electrical engineering group starting in 1993 had about 200 students of which over 100 were Black. At graduation in 1996 there were only two left...

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-10-04 22:35

    A Degree is SA = a 2 week course at a college overseas i.e. not worth the paper it's written on.

      bernard.linde - 2012-10-05 07:33

      Ag no, no you're talking rubbish...

      reinhardt.pienaar.3 - 2012-10-05 08:02

      Im sorry mr doyle, but I have an engineering degree at the university of stellenbosch and last time I checked it complies to international standards.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-05 08:08

      Nonsense, some of our doctors and lawyers etc. are sought after by many western countries and recognised.

      phumi.motsamai - 2012-10-05 11:38

      Our Engineering qualifications are credited by the Washington, Sidney and Dublin accord making them world class. Which degree did you do? A week more, and they would have taugh you sentence construction.

      jaun.lombard.9 - 2012-10-05 11:41

      @robert...really...where is your stats? It is sad to note that the degree you have is only = to a 2 week course, but my degrees are not! Go see the rankings of SA universities in the world...UCT is ranked higher than the best university in NZ, yet everybody thinks education is better in NZ!

      J.A.Rademan - 2012-10-05 12:59

      @Phumi - Careful about the sentence construction comment, rather check you spelling - populated has one l. Where did you say you studied? ... LOL

  • godfrey.welman - 2012-10-04 22:39

    Dr Blade, be more specific, like 1 how many black will graduate compare to whites 2 the field they studied (tourisim, media, IT etc) I am sure every single one that qualify as an Engineer will find employment.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-04 22:43

      Problem is that too few blacks get a sufficient maths mark at matric to study engineering or accounting. Too many of them study law and liberal arts degrees. If you do not want to teach then it is diificult to get a job with a liberal arts degree.

      nombuso.n.mtshali.1 - 2012-10-04 23:21

      There's actually a lot of black people in Accounting,Economics and Engineering. I have tons of friends studying accounting and tax. They don't have a problem with finding jobs. The problem is not getting jobs, the problem is how long we have to be unemployed to find a job. Some people have been unemployed for a year or two and end up finding temporary jobs that don't have anything to do with what they studying

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-05 10:59

      Godfrey, I think your point no. 2 is the crux of the problem. Not many jobs in the arts or Political Science, and unfortunately these are the two fields with the most black students.

  • tabisa.ndamase.7 - 2012-10-04 22:45

    Sad but true, black graduates really struggle to get jobs and I am one of them...

      emil.scharf.75 - 2012-10-04 22:59

      Then tell us what qualification you have, I know Whites with BCom marketing that struggled for years to get jobs, and I know blacks with engineering degrees that get a lot more job offers than their white counterparts.I also know White lawyers that cannot find jobs- so you see, it really depends more on what you studied rather than feeling sorry for yourself because you are black.

      pierre.walt - 2012-10-04 23:09

      Try me as a white male with 2 degrees and looking for a work for 3 years now. Want to work overseas but corrupt laws halting all.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-10-04 23:28

      everybody's struggling, Tabisa. It's not only black grads.

      FUNKMASTERFLEX.AKA.BAIN - 2012-10-05 00:33

      What degree do you have?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-10-05 02:52

      Soft BA, right?

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-10-05 06:03

      Why is it, because they dont stay in the jobs, companies invest millions in them and black graduates use them as stepping stones. Hop from one job to the other, no loyalty

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-05 08:13

      Some time it is best to start at any job while you wait for something better. Many people that "made it", started as waiters or night janitor's. Even MLM companies expect everyone that applies as not many people like sales.

      uraharabluekisuke - 2012-10-05 08:30

      all graduates think they can't work as secretaries because they are overqualified, at least for the first couple of months after graduation anyway. Thereafter they realize how tough the job market is and adjust accordingly. That is why for the first year most graduates find themselves unemployed. If you are not lucky enough to get internship after graduating, you just have to tell yourself you may have to start humbly, do that easy job you are overqualified for, prove yourself there. Then with experience, or rather exposure to the real working world you would have learned hw to market yourself!

  • john.fourie.18 - 2012-10-04 22:51

    My dad did not apply for my first, second or subsequent jobs. I did. From a newspaper. With people I met the first time when I sat down for the interview.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-10-04 23:31

      and good for you, Luzuko! WE need more of you in this country. Glad you did the CIS! Excellent qualification. www.icsa.co.za

      emil.scharf.75 - 2012-10-04 23:38

      Good for you despite being born black, and experiencing discrimination from racist whites that never ever want to see black people succeed you made it, and now you are rewarded handsomely for never giving up.You are an example to ALL South Africans, who always want to blame apartheid and racist whites for their failures.Thanks to people like you, nobody has an excuse for failure.Congratulations on passing your CA exams.The CA profession is the only profession that was not prepared to lower standards simply for the sake of transformation (Whilst professions like the Attorney profession have reached standards for admission that are a disgrace to say the least)

      FUNKMASTERFLEX.AKA.BAIN - 2012-10-05 00:38

      well done luzuko ,wish everybody thought and persevered like you.Your colour had nothing to do with the end result did it?

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-10-05 13:08

      @JOHN I oo studied at UCT.at first i was just like everybody else thinking that,just because I have a degree from UCT I have to get first preference and a high paying job.Well guess what I got to the real world and my eyes were open.Now I work in the mining industry as a occupation Hygienist having started from the very bottom earning R1800 gross.I always say those who have Degrees/Diploma and are not working it's because they don't want to start at the very bottom.PRIDE IF YOU ASK ME.

  • yvonne.c.martin.71 - 2012-10-04 23:08

    All kids will struggle... Not just blacks !!

  • riaan.mostert.58 - 2012-10-04 23:09

    Eish. It seems our black comrades are struggling constantly.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-10-04 23:13

    Very insightful minister.Unfortunately in business its not about wot u know but who u know.Maybe government shud give black entrepeneurs financial incentive to start small bussinesses which might create a more balanced economic landscape for future graduates.

  • brian.mairs - 2012-10-04 23:15

    break these numbers down by discipline studied and maybe then the real problem will be identified. we need graduates with hard qualififications, not the easy, squishy stuff like hr and political science. we need engineers, it specialists, accountants etc... break it down by qualification, not race, and then perhaps the root cause might be identified. i suspect too many black under graduates choose "squishy" subjects for which there is not an employment market. you don't just need a degree, you need a relevant degree.

      nombuso.n.mtshali.1 - 2012-10-04 23:32

      There's actually quite a lot of black people studying Engineering,Accounting,Tax,Finance, Economics, Mathematical Sciences, investments,IT etc. I have tons of friends studying those courses. I'm studying Bcom Economics. I know people who were unemployed for 6months - more than a year trying to find a job. Acc

      heibrin.venter - 2012-10-05 00:30

      @numbuso: and tell me, how many of them passed Matric with a 50% mark, and how many with 30%? How long do your friends take in obtaining their degrees? How did they do in those degrees?? Now for the main reason: how many of them where studying those degrees in comparison to the number of whites?? All of these factors contribute. In my B.Eng classes we were around 10 whites and about double that number in blacks towards the end. Of the whites 4 had completed all their subjects in the 4 years, another 4 had taken 5 years and the last two (myself included ;-)) had taken 6. For our black counter parts only one had taken 4 years, another handful (3 if memory serves) had taken 5 years and the majority had taken 6 years or more (one girl had done a 8 year stint!). Now ask yourself, whom would an employer rather employ, someone who had taken 4-5 years to complete their degree, or someone who had taken 8 years??

      trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-10-05 06:54

      @Nombuso-just because you study does NOT promise employment and you think it's now only because you "Black" that finding a job is more difficult, absolute RUBBISH! This has been the hard cold truth for many years GLOBALLY, just look to India, they will put you to shame when it comes to degrees/book smarts, same goes for the Chinese. You say you not a racist, well then I will assume you did not do your research before you studied and you just wanted a degree to say you have a degree which is typical of the majority of the youth. EVERYONE has to cut their teeth, NOTHING is given unless you an ANC member and have connections, then you'll be a Black Diamond so, either milk that uniquely South African trait of being black, in government and rich or, work hard like the most of us and start at the bottom, swallow your pride/expectations work hard and you'll see the doors will open themselves causing trying to kick them down will NEVER get you where you want to be.

      charles.glass.5621 - 2012-10-05 10:51

      @nombuso - from personal experience, there are far more whites & indians studying math, science, engineering & it than blacks. And the blacks who do manage manage to get into these programs almost always fail miserably.

  • Partiboy - 2012-10-04 23:19

    Just another excuse. tisk tisk, rather study something that is needed in this country, study hard, get the marks, apply at multiple companies etc and then you will reap the rewards! With AA and BEE I can't imagine what else blacks need to do to ensure employment opportunities. In retrospect most blacks simply attempt to pass (50%) their course knowing that he/she will have a job lined up due to discriminatory policies in place. This plan down proves the incompetence at state institutions. Prove me if I'm wrong because to be white, to be accepted into a university and finally to get a job in this contry is a tough ask, especially with all the racist policies out there determined to shove us to the ground! Concluding remarks - i'm studying my Btech in Town Planning and I'm the only white individual in my class, thus if I can get good marks and a job for next year then I'm sure the other students can do the same.

  • jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-10-04 23:26

    The education budget is R21 billion a year - and who allocates the money to the universities? Not us whiteys, that's for sure. The ANC govt and you only have yourselves to blame, Dr Nzimande. You don't have the stats - you are sucking them out of your thumb.

  • Papiky Zokwana - 2012-10-04 23:32

    im hurt

  • Bruce - 2012-10-04 23:35

    Thanks for stating the obvious mr minister, now what do you propose as a solution? Hopefully, you won't need to hold a lavish conference, imbizo or party with other useless comrades at the state's cost to find solutions to this urgent matter...

  • badladballie - 2012-10-04 23:36

    Oh please what a lot of cr@p

  • chemdawgy - 2012-10-04 23:37

    Perhaps if Blade stopped overcrowding the universities by placing them on such a pedestal as political rhetoric...and stopped lowering the bar to promote "equality" this wouldn't be a problem and the country would have more specialized and skills non-university tradesmen (plumbers, electricians etc) which is where the bar lies...Instead Blade would have matriculants go to a Uni of Technology give them a piece of paper claiming they've received an education which they haven't and send them into the labour market without knowing how to wire a plug. I wish politicians would put their hands up and say sorry, we stuffed up.

  • Papiky Zokwana - 2012-10-04 23:39

    it is nt dat we r inadequate it is bcas we r powerful beyond measures dat companies do not wanna recruit us even though wer 18 years in democracy,we can b CA IF NEEDS BE,i blame da minority regime we wer oppressd 2 opportunities like dis bt as tym goes by we(blacks)we will climp da corporate ladder N CREATE A BETTA AFRICA

      will.cronje.7 - 2012-10-04 23:42

      Before you 'climp da corporate ladder' learn to spell first...

      Peter - 2012-10-05 07:14

      Go have some more zok.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-05 07:56

      @Papiky you answered the whole debate in a few unconcerned lines which were devoid of any EFFORT to put your case in an strong and accurate way. I can only agree with Sandra

      TdJ01 - 2012-10-05 14:09

      Hallo!! a hundred years from now you and people like you will still blame everyone but yourself for you are in life. Even after 18 YEARS of ANC rule!! You are as big a joke as the ANC!

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-10-04 23:44

    If those in power start using the wealth and rerources of this country for all South Africans fairly,instead of using it to enrich a corrupt few,ppl in general won't have to struggle.The corruption and greed is out of contol.

  • will.cronje.7 - 2012-10-04 23:49

    I'm sure Woolworths and SAA will sort ya'all out.

      nombuso.n.mtshali.1 - 2012-10-05 00:25

      The same Woolworths that you boycotted? More food for me! I love Woolies! Anyway I'm black and I refuse to be a victim, I'm studying Bcom Economics. I know the industry I'm in has a certain ratio of black women but I don't think it should stop me. I will just have to work HARDER than others.

      FUNKMASTERFLEX.AKA.BAIN - 2012-10-05 00:43

      Nombuso,why would certain ratio of black women stop you from achieving your dreams.It is only politicians that use social engineering as propaganda and a way to get votes.

  • christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-10-05 00:14

    Statistics do not lie, however there is so little info on these statistics. If they compared apples with apples then yes I can see the problem, but they are not doing that. I mean the 55% struggling could well be because most blacks study HR. HR is an over supplied profession and it would make sense that they would struggle to find work. Now im not saying that this is the case im just saying the info provided is way too little too make any assumptions at all. Especially such assumptions as he is making

      zukisani.nqadini - 2012-10-05 00:33

      Dude u myt me wrong 2, my broe is a qualified IT Tech but this is the 5th year since graduated but still there's no luck yet.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-05 03:18

      Zukisani, met a young black guy(about 21) with a placard, begging in Midrand in 2005, that could not find a job in IT. I pulled over and went to speak with him and advised that he should offer to work for free or minimal wage at an IT company to get experience. I sponsored him with taxi money and gave my number for further assistance. I did not see him again for 3 years. He then came to visit me. What a change. He had convinced an IT cabling company in Midrand to take him on and worked at a restaurant at night in order to survive. After six months he had started sub-contracting to the IT company and had completed R21 Million worth of contracts in 18 months, owned his own building and was busy selling his cabling company for a ridiculous amount. All because his mindset had changed from having just a job to being his own employer because he couldn't get a job.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-10-05 05:09

      What a moving story by Ronald, I am reduced to tears as I am writing this piece. If all of us could do what you did for fellow human imagine what this Rainbow Nation would look like instead of concentrating on stupid race,race all the time we open our mouths and spew nonsense.

  • ppisciotta - 2012-10-05 00:43

    Economy does not live by colour alone.

  • chris.venter.39 - 2012-10-05 01:01

    Dear Mr. Blade, I am a white male Chartered Accountant, 28 years old. I have been living in Bermuda for the past 2 years because I couldn't find work in my own country due to the colour of my skin. It was told to my face. I must be one of the 12% then, depite the fact that I was in the top 15% of my faculty. I studied my backside off while having a job to pay for petrol. Yes, I must have connections, as you say...whatever, my parents are both working-class people. I got where I am on my own, without knowing anybody. Nevertheless, Mr. Blade, I do still intend to return to SA in the forthcoming years. Having lived here on the other side of the world, I have realised that it is STILL a great country to live in, and to raise your children. Just please don't tell me that I had everything handed to me on a platter, because I worked my butt of to get here.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-05 01:57

      Let's be factual, I got plenty of friends who relocated to these islands to further their careers BUT there is no way you can relocate to Bermuda without having working for a reputable accounting firm in SA! There is no way you can go straight after varsity. As an educated individual I suggest let's use this forum for factual representation, there is no point in lying to prove a point

      karen.perkswoodward - 2012-10-05 03:27

      I agree Chris! Many of my white, qualified friends have done the same (relocated abroad in order to be employed) as EE/AA positions are at the order of the day in SA! No experience needed, just a good qualification and the reputation that we are reliable and productive. Would be interesting to see if these employment opportunities form part of the statistics! (This statement is based on facts; true experiences of real people.)

  • mr.voster - 2012-10-05 01:29

    Mr blade might be right but on the other hand despite the color of your skin, it all depends on how we as individuals network and connect ourselves to the industry after completing our studies! Stop it with your silly racial comments!

  • koos.vandermerwe.338 - 2012-10-05 01:31

    Dont' use percentages in this case. Use the numbers.

      israelk - 2012-10-05 06:01

      I like your reasoning, its spot on. hahaha

  • dineo.siko - 2012-10-05 01:55

    This is not a new topic for South Africa really, I believe it will remain a heated issue for some years to come. It would have been great to hear the full presentation made by Blade on unemployed graduates both black and white because I read the article thinking unemployment graduates is a black thing but its incorrect to even believe that. We live in a very complex society; the essential reality is that our economy has not changed its modus operandi, we are still a predominately primary resource economy. We export raw materials (gold, diamonds, platinum, coal, agricultural goods and the list goes on) we create financial institutions to sustain this system, hence jobs available are in these sectors. What is seriously alarming about this apartheid inherited economic system is that, it was never designed to absorb 'black qualified graduates' and therefore we are going to sit with high levels of unemployed black graduates. YES Blade makes a good argument there but looses the battle when he makes this a black issue only, there are white/coloured/indian unemployed graduates out there also but my issue is that solutions will never be found if our economy continue to operate in the manner it does. Let's have constructive discussions to build the nations PLEASE MAAN.................

  • BurNThaM - 2012-10-05 02:09

    Where is the research that goes into these statistics? It may be worth seeing the spread between different degrees. Stats are too easily manipulated to prove a point

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-10-05 02:17

    Who needs someone with a soft BA in sociology, art, history, religious studies, politics or anthropology? The ones with hard degrees in science and engineering are snapped up. Too many black students pick the soft BA and avoid the hard B.Sc courses.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-05 04:41

      Are you referring to Lindiwe Mazibuko or madame? They are proud holders of so called, soft degrees. Blade is better at least he went further to get a Phd

      kopano.mokoma.5 - 2012-10-05 06:32

      That is how we should be looking at the situation of unemployed graduates.

      merven.halo - 2012-10-05 08:03

      Blade probably bought his Phd looking at his idiotic comments.

  • dan.ledwaba.5 - 2012-10-05 02:49

    Nzimande's speech fascinated me....the short-sightedness of it. As you all must know by now, I am a "fighter" for education. Education is the only thing that will give the ppl this so-called "economic freedom" they are all missing [although it is staring them in the face but they don't seem to see it...still want to fight for it..haha]. Why is it that only degrees at University are seen as an education? Surely we can't all be doctors, engineers, accountants, etc. What happened to the nursing and teacher colleges? What happened to the real technical schools like John Orr. There the learners were tought a trade/skill. Don't they know that a person with a trade might not become a millionare but he will never go hungry. Those technical schools are now science and technology institutions with hardly any practical classes. In any case, the government is also not creating an environment for employing ppl. Companies always have to worry about strikes, CCMA, union interference, etc.

  • Nazeem Meyson - 2012-10-05 02:59

    @KReddy. now u talking. 2/3 of this country belongs to us (the khoi-san)

  • Bonga Nomlala - 2012-10-05 03:05

    M tired of all the speeches with less action or none... it doesn't matter what color u on, us people of South Africa with no connections to private and public sector suffer with our diplomas and degrees, we mostly stuck in call centre jobs as they employ fairly there...

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-10-05 03:45

      @bonga.nomlala:) I agree with you. To add more the problem is cadre deployment which the Minister unfortunately failed to address in his flowery speech which is rich in rhetoric but lack in substance. Go on Mr Minister make the loudest noises whilst your government which you are a member justify cadre deployment without necessary or no qualifications.

  • kalan.job - 2012-10-05 03:26

    Yes I do but the struggle is what is happened in marikana it shows that we black as graduate ur fellow white bros are better than us . But tomorrow I will write grand statement

  • wwerum - 2012-10-05 03:33

    dats y EE, AA, BEE

  • wwerum - 2012-10-05 03:38

    We need Lnd-Re4m, BEE, AA

  • wwerum - 2012-10-05 03:41

    We nid Nationalisation of myns

      merven.halo - 2012-10-05 08:03

      You need education.

      DrGonzoSA - 2012-10-05 10:48

      And who will run these nationalised mines? There aren't any black mining engineers coming through. Too much like hard work, just do a soft sociology degree and sit back and expect a handout

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2012-10-05 11:02

      I am sure the aurora bosses can take over the mines after nationalization.. The employees will just have to wait for a year or two to receive their wages. The unions may just help them this time. like hell!!!!!!

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-10-05 04:08

    "have the family and other connections into the labour market that are generally enjoyed by whites" Coz these people worked there asses of to get to that position and to get those connections.Just look @ the school books saga,who threw the books away hmmm ? Your own people did it.So stop with ur rubbish please Nzimande.

  • rebecca.pooe - 2012-10-05 04:41

    Blade,although you are right,but your timing is wrong(mangaung),you must step down from your position,and someone else, who will implement necessary changes that will help a black person must take over.

  • brandon.gillbee - 2012-10-05 04:48

    I wonder if employers don't prefer white staff because they won't go on strike and threaten kill the managers if they don't halt operations.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-05 05:18

    Scrap the Labour Equity Act you fool and the quotas will no longer be full.

      Rozanne Van Rensburg Hough - 2012-10-05 05:28

      why are black people still on about whites getting jobs quicker than them or whatever!??? really! after whites were told to give 51% of their OWN built businesses away etc...the list goes on, white men are forced to still create their own employment due to SA Laws! now the black man still complains they arent getting work after studies! whos fault is that really? you have taught the black man to take whats not his instead of teaching him to build his OWN empire!!! wake up man!!! u r still stuck on your own floors and errors! stop blaming the white people and get with the NEW SA YOU created!!!!

      kevin.gleeson.54 - 2012-10-05 07:37

      flaws and errors dear :D

  • andre.vanzyl.58 - 2012-10-05 05:29

    There is a culture of opportunism and entitlement amongst young black graduates that make employers weary of investing time and money in them. I employed, trained and lost three in a row. Nzimande, stop bitching about others so you can cover up your own failure as a minister and contribute something positive.

  • rudi.bank - 2012-10-05 05:48

    Hahaha! Ok so there are 40 million blacks and s million whites (just a estimate before somebody gets a pain somewhere) and so how do you compare these numbers? Even if 50% whites got jobs over 10% blacks the blackks would still be more! Eish galog!

      rudi.bank - 2012-10-05 06:45

      I don't have to do any course! Y don't you do the math? If 1% blacks gets a job its 300000 - 500000. If 1% whites get a job its 50000 or less. So according to our dear minister whites are getting the jobs? Well aa and bee is working then becoz the black % have been filled so the rest is for the whites! Thank you for bee and aa!

      kevin.gleeson.54 - 2012-10-05 07:52

      Israelk, while Rudi does stats how about you learn to spell. Loughing?

  • wwerum - 2012-10-05 05:50

    Nationalisation, EE, AA, BEE, etc are here 2stay.

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-10-05 06:20

    I have heard so many speeches from almost every government minister. Truth is they blame everything but themselves. How many people in government hold positions they qualify for? How many relatives have been given positions without proper interviews? If the likes of Ndzimande were serious about developing unemployed graduates, they would provide a compulsory experiential training for them in the public sector instead of employing cadres, family and relatives who have no clue about what they are supposed to do.

  • kopano.mokoma.5 - 2012-10-05 06:21

    It took me almost two years two years.

  • cindy.wrathex.ruthven - 2012-10-05 06:22

    So tell me Nzimande, what type of job does a degree in Political Science get you ?

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-10-05 06:22

    I was second year BSc Agric at KOVSIES when '94 happened. After I finished my degree I submitted 87 CV's over the course of 6 months. The gap I got into the Job Market in the end was unrelated to my degree - as a hobby, and to pay some bills, I was running my own computer business on the side line. I was doing some very specialized work at the time to keep me busy while I was waiting for a positive reply. It was this work that caught the eye of a multinational, and the rest is History. What really upset me was that I was shot down time and again based on race. With the last application, number 87, I received a call back which wanted to know I was coloured Gerber, or have proof that I might have coloured blood in my family. I am not, and don’t have coloured blood. I was told that this is sorry since on all other points I am the candidate they want. at That point frustration boiled over and I told them to piss off. A week later I landed the IT job. The points I am trying to make is : AA is a problem for all affected by it, but not having any experience to show is the biggest problem. This is made worse by thousands of students that do soft BA degrees. We need scientists, engineers, and If you do a BA, do one of the ultra-hard ones, otherwise you will be without a job. And do holiday work, for free if need be, but get the exposure. Work on your CV in the workplace while you are studying - don’t lie, have hard evidence of what you can do. ALL students have it hard.

  • jacques.shepperson - 2012-10-05 06:26

    you can see elections are getting closer.

  • Erna - 2012-10-05 06:27

    So according to Nzimande, despite AA, BEE, and all the transformation in the world, whites still get the jobs! Is this a reality or is Blade just working the numbers? If it is true, maybe he should look for the reasons.

  • matt.cumming.77 - 2012-10-05 06:36

    Well 3 years ago at Wits i got turned down by NUMEROUS employers because their graduate programmes did not allow whites... where is my News24 story? Most black students are also studying Arts. Maybe its not their colour but Qualification?! Nzimande has done very little for education but complain in a whiny nasal voice. Maybe as Minister he should improve things.

  • mynhardt.johan - 2012-10-05 06:37

    BullS(\w){3}t - look at this infographic: http://weknowmemes.com/2012/06/success-what-people-think-it-looks-like/ Unlike assumptions being made, companies still have processes in place to evaluate employees so they don't waste their money. Getting a job is not about getting into a position and end of story. It's about being able to contribute meaningfully. Waving a qualification won't get you a job. I do agree that sometimes there are unfair family connections, but that affects everyone, whites included. I for one, know what this infographic is about. I did not waltz into a job after studies! So please stop making such stupid statements.

  • mynhardt.johan - 2012-10-05 06:38

    sorry, it's (\w{2}) :-P

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-10-05 06:42

    Some years into democracy some people are still using historicaly data to justify their inability and ineptitude.Those whites had goog academic education. Years now Nzimande, Motshega and Co have not as yet improved the basics of lower education. Yes there is a legacy of apartheid, but we cannot continue to blame colour if we aint doing anything. I am sure those few % blacks mentoned hav good academic results not connections.

      dustin.mccrindle.5 - 2012-10-05 06:51

      Thank you Peter. I know that all of the 'people of colour' who studied with me got jobs straight out of Uni. But that's because they studied for a job that is in demand, has a shortage of workers and isn't a willy-nilly course. And we had to study damn hard as well!