'North Africa uprisings a warning to SA'

2011-02-24 12:06

Cape Town  - South Africa could in the long run face the same type of political unrest that has wracked North Africa if it does not move quickly to create jobs and reduce inequalities, Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan said on Thursday.
Gordhan’s comments came a day after he projected a much larger-than-expected budget deficit for the next fiscal year - with billions of rand set aside for jobs - as the approach of local government elections put the government under pressure to spend more.
The ANC is under pressure to do more to slash unemployment levels of around 25% and provide social welfare for millions of people still mired in poverty.

On Thursday, Gordhan told a post-budget breakfast meeting that South Africa should move quickly to implement a new growth policy that aims to end poverty.
“As South Africans we have to be frank that we are good at ideas and not always good at implementation. Let’s learn from ... North Africa,” he said.

“North Africa is about allowing inequalities to grow, allowing joblessness to grow. It is about a state that hasn’t actually performed, about a minority that accumulates things for itself. If you want to follow that path for the next 20 years, we’ll end up like North Africa.”

Hundreds of people have been killed in Libya and Bahrain this month in anti-government protests sparked by upheavals that just weeks ago dislodged decades-old regimes in Egypt and Tunisia.

The Treasury on Wednesday shaved its growth forecast for 2011 to 3.4%  from 3.5% projected last October, after the economy grew 2.8% last year after emerging from recession.
Gordhan projected growth at 4.1% in 2012 and 4.4% in 2013, but those rates are still well below levels needed to reduce unemployment, with the Treasury estimating last year that annual growth of 7% was needed to make a big dent in joblessness.
The ANC is pouring billions of dollars into job promotion schemes. Besides R39bn already earmarked for job creation and factory investment, Gordhan said the government would spend an extra R5bn on a youth employment subsidy to get school leavers and graduates into work.

  • steve - 2011-02-24 12:12

    are we talking about black inequalities again? or for once all people in sa

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-02-24 12:16

    And Libya has unemployment of 30% too ...

  • Juan - 2011-02-24 12:17

    I don't get it. HOW can people protest against and overthrow a government that THEY THEMSELVES VOTED FOR? Surely the whole POINT of democracy and elections is to have peaceful and orderly changing of governments?

  • chris - 2011-02-24 12:20

    No, SA needs to dissolve the Rothschild's privately owned central bank and start issuing it's own debt free money.

  • Werner - 2011-02-24 12:23

    "As South Africans we have to be frank that we are good at ideas and not always good at implementation"...Uhm did you not mean corruption..

  • BoB BoB - 2011-02-24 12:26

    Increasing the budget deficit is not the solution nor is the ever expanding welfare state which is basically one big ANC vote generating machine through institutional patronage. The job subsidy will only function if the people are skilled, solve the SETAS finally (fire that idiot Blade while you are at it) Do the right thing, encourage people to start companies becaused it is small companies that create jobs not the big ones. The current budget does little to creat new jobs instead it subsidises cheats because it is cheaper to keep on changing your employees to cash in on the subsidy. Hasn't worked in any other country why should it work in South Africa where the respect ( and fear) of the law is lesser than in Europe.

  • Pieter - 2011-02-24 12:31

    No, the ANC is not pouring billions, we are, its the citizens who carry this country. Their is but a handful of tax payers left carry a massive amount of people. And still, you wish to implement BEE. An uprise wont happen after 20 years, no, the ANC will manage to provoke an uprise within months.

  • Francois Roux - 2011-02-24 12:35

    All good and well that he says jobs must be created and inequalities reduced, but how does he propose this is done? By taxing us to death like is evident in his recent budget with petrol and foreseen changes to VAT, tax and surcharges for national health on our already raped salaries? This while the government of the day is squandering money like it's grown on trees? I guess they have to raize all these taxes, they must somehow maintain their squandering and pay for the services that they haven't been rendering. Only thing is, whatever extra they tax us will also get wasted on expensive cars and parties, while the services are still not rendered, prompting ever more inventive taxing...

  • Fan - 2011-02-24 12:56

    The minister is right. The risk will get worse as long as cronyism and corruption continues to benefit a minority in government and those associated with government. The large difference between a minister's salary and someone who earns nothing will not be tolerated indefinitely.

  • Jo1 - 2011-02-24 13:15

    South Africa is under a brunt of unemployment. People must eat! Taxes are mostly for the redistribution of wealth. Create jobs by getting rid of 20 million plus immigrants. Further clamp down on population growth. Provide contraception in exchange for some incentive. Earth can only sustain to a certain extent and then it becomes a war of survival. A small group of TAX payers cannot keep on funding the rest of Africa something must give way.

  • Chris - 2011-02-24 13:20

    Man its going to be a great year for Car enthusiasts in and around South Africa's roads this year. That's R39 BN + R5 BN off to the BMW and Porche dealerships for cadre comforts. And what's he worried about inequality. Once all the farmers are murdered we'll all be subsistance farmers. Communism and African backwardism brings great levels of equality. When no one owns a thing there is nothing to fight about. Just sit by your hut and look out at your goat and chickens.

  • geraldr - 2011-02-24 13:20

    The ANC is pouring billions into job promotion schemes, but the recipients of the billions are all mostly other ANC connected CADRES. They do not have to deliver to a set standard and as ANC connecteds are not held accountable for their products. So how are the masses benefit from money merely leaving the state coffers and being transferred into ANC connected pockets? It would be best to get rid of the ANC and change the constitution so that we no longer vote for parties but real representative people who can be held accountable and thrown out of parliament by a simple local voting process. Currently one only has to hijack the party and gain control of the country. This is what has happened to the ANC and we must put a stop to this. ANC cadres fighting for tax-payers loot is what will lead to civil war sooner rather than later.

  • Ian D - 2011-02-24 13:36

    Fair comment, and very true. But unfirtunately there are no signs that our ruling elite want to play it any other way than for the benefit of me, myself and I! When this Govt can honestly say that they have fully investigated the arms deal,(will never happen), oilgate and refunded the money, (will never happen), investigated and prosecuted all the tenderpreneurs, (will never happen) and have eliminated all benefits to family members, close friends and associates (read Zumas, Guptas, Malema,et al - will certainly never happen, then I would be prepared to accept what Mr. Gordhan has said. Our Govt (read ANC) are corrupt, nepotistic and behind closed doors are proud of it! Just like the ruling elite of the NATS used to be - but on a far more grandious scale now than before. The trials and tribulations currently being experienced in North Africa will visit our shores. We have ably supported all sorts of despots while they have raped and pillaged their people, and accrued enormous wealth, namely in the following countries: Zimbabwe, Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Cote d'Ivoire, Sudan, Libya, Egypt to name a few on the African continent. Mr. Minister, lets see how your actions speak louder than your words!!!!

  • RUDZI - 2011-02-24 13:50

    all this uprising and earthquake and floods it has nothing to do with who is doing what or ANC or Gaddafi or the egypt. the only thing that matter is that humanity within ones is gone and every one want to play god because he/she got ten figures in terms of finance and forget that when got made us to multiply there was a purpose and if one dont know about god purpose to let us be so many the have to be problem,what i am saying is that your shade is my shelter and i cannot survive alone a i have to have you as my brother sister wife husband ,the value of humanity is priceless you dont need to be a president to care about other people but to be a man/human being first to have those thinking capacity ,all the spirit that have lost in the sea ,building and war are the ones that really trying to guide us how to live and respect one another wether white nor black all race .with no much to comment but to show that many of us living a lost way of humanity ,giving poor food doesnt mean been greatful love and honest feeling is within ones eyes ,stop blaming who and who be an example first in life ,i thank you all

  • gloria modiroa - 2011-02-24 13:59

    There has to be a register or data base of all thos who are unemployed and s soon as you get employment you are removed from the register/data base so that we monitor the exact numbers of all who are unemployed not stating percentage that we are not sure of.

  • Piet - 2011-02-24 13:59

    When I see the word grant , I always think about this story. I move a lot in the rural areas, and only a feww months ago a Black teascher come and talk to, while I was waiting my time to deliver. I am so sorry I didnt took his adress or the name of his school. He told me that the male teachers pick (surely not all of them) with the new grds 8s 3to 4 young girls and make them pregnant. This story repeat itself, and at rhe end of the day the teacher got permanantly approx 18-20 girls pregnant. They, the teasher and the girls share the child grant on a prev arranged %. The child normally become the responsibility of the parents or grandparents. This is what happens with grants

  • Majozi - 2011-02-24 14:06

    We have been there already and are tired of it,so this will never come back again.

  • Juan - 2011-02-24 14:11

    I would LOVE to see the people overthrow SA's ac government and drag the corpses of corrupt presidents and ministers through the streets. It will be awesome!

  • Middle class loser - 2011-02-24 14:14

    Simply put I am one of many that will lose from this "rob Peter to pay Paul budget". i must pay more so that people which are unemployed get paid. In order to fill a position at any company there has to be a need and skill set to perform the job. I am now required to pay this salary for something that does not exist at this very moment. I fail to see how throwing tax coffers at the issue is going to be the way to solve the unemployment. And the ANC is suddenly the ones paying x amount of billions? Last i heard it was coming from tax payers.... Hardly the ANC. Plus they get votes because tax payers pay the bill. WTF? Maybe I am missing something here. not trying to be racist of anti government but I fail to see how this is all going to work.

  • DW - 2011-02-24 14:24

    It was generally a good budget (no-one will always agree with everything). Mr Gordhan and his predecessor, Mr Manuel are intelligent men who want the best for this country. The trouble is exactly as he says - they are good at ideas, but not at implementation. Mr Gordhan and co cannot do everything. It comes down to holding the MEC's and ministers accountable for their specific portfolios, and them in turn holding their staff and divisions accountable. Until this happens, no matter how much money is collected, there will be billions stolen and wasted. One glaring wrong move, though. Apparently he has decided that, of the R5billion to go to growing jobs for the youth, R1billion is to go to the NYDA. No guesses what they will do with it - another few parties at R100m each and it will all be gone. Big mistake!

  • Punk27 - 2011-02-24 14:27

    Throwing money at unemployment and hoping it works is like throwing petrol at your car and hoping it runs. We don't need money, we need an environment in which business (small & large) will flourish - this will create employment opportunities. Can someone bring back Trevor Manuel please, this oke is a dork.

  • RUDZI - 2011-02-24 14:43

    south africa will never uprise ,all that the other country is doing today has been eye-opened by south african lately by women match ,so many that one who knows about south africa uprising and all the toyi-toying ,meaning that since the after worldcup strike outside people starting to see that silent is the most horrific thing in life because it kills you insde and gives u fear where there is pleasure to enjoy life.all what the uprising happening is because people thought they are right the way their living ,the problem is to compare your life with the next person (lazy uses hard-working people to achieve something (meaning that if one has to speak for himself and be free from the bad ,example if people didnt revolt against gaddafi who will have known that gaddafi killed the bordabie ,sorry spelling ,automatically himself is guilty of staying with the truth ,he has to be tried as gaddafi because he was supposed to have tell the truth ,he has to be tried before the geneve court as much as gaddafi like what happen to saddam huisen ,what comes around you goes around you he is no angel to the family that lost they loved ones because of greed and stuborness of one man causing pain to so many family and get away with stone will be left unturned and very soon we will hear about ZIMBABWE doing that because egypt and libya is doing it ,please do what you think is good to people dont send poor people to kill each other for your full enrichment that you wont enjoy for good as what goes around come around you,so is better to guide each other and live positive for the goodness of all race in the world then peace will prevail and love will spread like the scent of perfume in the desert to all of us in this world that good gave to live in not to conguer ,peace be upon all of us ,love u all .

  • PointBlankZA - 2011-02-24 14:57

    Avoid the uprising, vote DA.

  • amabok - 2011-02-24 15:06

    Seeing Malema, Cele, Zuma, Mbeki...(the list goes on) all hanged would be brilliant! and the Nats back in power...what a lag that would be!

  • Louw - 2011-02-24 15:16

    The only way is to have a strong middle class with an equally strong family relationships. If that was not the case of a country like Spain, one would have seen a lot of smoke on the northern shore of the Mediterranean too. This way or method does not include the nationalization of mines or large public operations. The more done to promote small and midsize companies, the better.

  • William - 2011-02-24 15:39

    At the current state of affairs violent revolution is just a matter of time in RSA... 40% of 18-30 year old in this country are unemployed and the reality is that it isn't improving. The correct solution is to vote in a new party, however, it's almost inevitable that the uneducated youth will still vote ANC and then go for a violent revolution.

  • Jenny - 2011-02-24 17:43

    "North Africa is about allowing inequalities to grow, allowing joblessness to grow. It is about a state that hasn’t actually performed, about a minority that accumulates things for itself. If you want to follow that path for the next 20 years, we’ll end up like North Africa.” Does that mean that the white man has to pay up again?

  • Zander De Klerk - 2011-02-25 05:11

    Anyone who votes the ANC in the next election is an idiot. You think I'm wrong? They have failed their constituents for 17 years. 1. Water & Electricity: FAIL. 2. Education: FAIL 3. Police: FAIL 4. Military: FAIL 5. Healthcare: FAIL 6. Housing: FAIL 7. Transport: FAIL 8. Economic Equality: FAIL 9. Sports Equality: FAIL 10. Freedom of Speech: FAIL. I can go on... but that's just depressing. Job creation is simple: Primary economic production facilities need to be created (with the redistributed tax money) and millions can be employed. This means: provide subsidies more private farmers and land owners around the country, with stipulations as to the types of crops, livestock and other produce are needed. Employ as much of the unskilled labourers as possible. Note that the world is experiencing massive food problems - this method will result in RSA experiencing SURPLUS foodstuffs, with new taxpayers and additional economic growth... and IT IS SUSTAINABLE. We have millions of square kilometers of land that is unused to to farmers unwilling to cultivate without added incentive - if we institute an era of intensive agricultural growth, SA will be transformed. When your stomach is full, you live and work in the beautiful country, and your kids go to farmschool (and have access to the world wide web), you won't be voting for the ANC. I have a dream:)

  • peter - 2011-02-25 10:04

    China - a major cause of the problems not only for SA but the USA and the EU too..Apart from their cheap, borderline slave, labour, their policies in Africa are a major problem - arms to Zim, shady deals that give them cheap access to Africa's minerals...the list goes on... They are not the only ones to blame - our retailers are short-sighted - they send their buyers over to buy cheap Chinese crap and sell to us thinking this does not have a knock-on effect! Short term greed for profit yes, but the people that lose their jobs as a result will no longer be able to afford even their cheap crap....duuh! The only solution is boycott them and their Chinese junk. We as a family for a year now have not bought anything Chinese - read the label and if its made in China put it back and find an SA product, or if not, any other country but not China. Example - OSRAM lamps for your house - these "German" quality lamps are now made in China. Phillips has a factory in Lesotho and their products only cost a fraction more - so wise up SA - pay the extra for local and support your country!!! Winging at the ANC is not going to help - they are just a bunch of thieving politicians.

  • poppy - 2011-02-25 10:34

    If we want to avoid the same uprise like in North Africa, we south africans better get our act together, "like immently", This "never" from Zuma, is total crap. He needs to wake up and smell the roses. We need some law and order, and the only way is to have a proper government with elected qualified people in the right spheres, not just any lst year graduate, that is suddently becomes a "judge". what a joke. Did you know to become a judge, one needed to be in law for 30 yrs then go to the "Hague", then qualify to become a judge. I would love to know how many of our "so called judges have these qualifications. This is just an example, we can carry on on for ever. Our water board sucks, electricty, medical, etc. We need to control the influx of immigrants, who are also causing bad feelings among our umemployed locals. I agree we should have a "Job Centre", like they have in the U>K. run by professional people, and you are on their data base, so one can tract your records of unemployment. One can carry on for hours on these problems we have, and quiet honestly I dont thing the ANC care a damn.....We have such a beautiful country, we need to get together and try and avoid a mishap like the North.

  • reality check - 2011-02-25 12:04

    - Unless there is a dramatic change in this ANC circus, the threat of a revolt looms larger each day (whatever you might believe Zuma) The status quo is paper thin and on a knife edge. This country desparately needs a new leader with vision,integrity and the boldness and courage to change direction.The path that we're headed on is toward an inevitable failed nation. I wonder if Mr. Gordhan had the courage to confront his masters with his convictions , or is he like the rest, a mere puppet worried only about his next paycheck and meal ?????

  • Sydney - 2011-02-28 08:27

    SA has a democratically elected leadership let's not forget that. Reality check seems to be one of those unpatriotics,who is hell bent on ensuring that Zuma's government doesn't receive a single credits its. My friend you are leaving in a fools paradise,this government has archieved a lot in this country lets be fair,where you like it or not,and I can count a lot of things that you yourself will recognise. Just be honest and fair!!!

  • Andrea - 2011-02-28 12:16

    What the government needs to do to attain growth and create jobs, is to make the country economically competitive for foreign investors, in line with the BRIC countries, so that we can attract mmuch-needed foreign capital.If they don't do this,the foreign countries with all the money will take their cash and jobs, and give them to somebody else.Its that simple. We need to get foreign cash into the country, then we can create4 jobs and will have the money to build infrastructure, increase the police force, root out corruption and eliminate all the other problems that are keeping this beautiful country from moving forward.

  • Killuminati - 2011-03-02 10:02

    That's exactly where we headed. An uprising.

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