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Motlanthe: Less congestion sought

2012-06-15 17:06

Johannesburg - E-tolling was intended to help reduce congestion on Gauteng's roads, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said in Johannesburg on Friday.

"The Gauteng freeway improvement project was conceived as part of a strategy to solve the problem of congestion on the Gauteng highways," he said at a meeting between Business Unity SA and the inter-ministerial committee on the Gauteng freeway project.

"Having considered various options for decongestion... government came to the conclusion that the user-pay model was the most equitable.

"So, as we discuss various funding options, let us not lose sight of the fact that in the end our highways must be decongested."

Motlanthe chairs the committee set up to deal with problems on Gauteng freeways, after a court interdict halted e-tolling pending a full judicial review. The government has since approached the Constitutional Court to appeal against the interdict.

Motlanthe said peak times on the highways extended by 15 minutes every year, and the congestion had a negative impact on the economy.

Most of the roads had reached the end of their design capacity.

Comments
  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-06-15 17:29

    Most thinking on infrastructure has reached the end of design capacity and we sorely need some thinkers who can see how to give us a safe public transport service which runs on time and has proper timetables

      brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 18:11

      R 20 billion is less than 2% of just one Annual National Budget, which is now over R 1 trillion. It's simple. If each department gets a cut of just 2% for one financial year (forcing them to spend just a little bit more wisely), this will pay for the whole infrastructure upgrade at once! In fact, you don't even have to reduce every department's budget- start with all those that fail to pay their existing budget…

      brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 18:11

      R 20 billion is less than 2% of just one Annual National Budget, which is now over R 1 trillion. It's simple. If each department gets a cut of just 2% for one financial year (forcing them to spend just a little bit more wisely), this will pay for the whole infrastructure upgrade at once! In fact, you don't even have to reduce every department's budget- start with all those that fail to pay their existing budget…

      brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 18:11

      R 20 billion is less than 2% of just one Annual National Budget, which is now over R 1 trillion. It's simple. If each department gets a cut of just 2% for one financial year (forcing them to spend just a little bit more wisely), this will pay for the whole infrastructure upgrade at once! In fact, you don't even have to reduce every department's budget- start with all those that fail to pay their existing budget…

      brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 18:12

      R 20 billion is less than 2% of just one Annual National Budget, which is now over R 1 trillion. It's simple. If each department gets a cut of just 2% for one financial year (forcing them to spend just a little bit more wisely), this will pay for the whole infrastructure upgrade at once! In fact, you don't even have to reduce every department's budget- start with all those that fail to pay their existing budget…

      brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 18:13

      Sorry guys, there seems to be a technical glitch that made my comment repeat...

  • gerald.king.589 - 2012-06-15 17:32

    Build a new road. Toll it. THEN we'd glaaadly pay to get OUT of the pta/jhb standstill. Even at a premium youd coin it.

  • paulus.deboer.3 - 2012-06-15 17:37

    So if user-pay is the way to go, why exclude taxis from paying? To reduce congestion, what about truck-free hours, eg during peak time?

      saintbruce.bruce - 2012-06-16 22:17

      At the time the Gautrain was proposed as a "solution" to road traffic congestion, the cost of R 12 Billion [initially] would have been enough to construct a double decker M1 from JHB to Pretoria! But NO - both the train AND a road project [not a freeway if use is charged for] go ahead at some fantastic costs that we may never really know the full price or who the real beneficiaries are! There may be a nice train and a nice road or two around Gauteng - but these are the duty of the Province to provide as a service to the population who pay taxes to have a workable economy sustained. Johannesburg, a World Class City ? More a 'wobbly class' than World Class right now! There are better ways to reduce congestion - improve public transport systems, remove heavy vehicles during peak use, allow flexitime labour hours, deliveries after hours in city and town centres, remove unroadworthy professional passenger carriers permanently [destroy them without compensation], get tough on real serious traffic offences. Most 'organised' cities around the world have some of these options in use to serve their citizens [read customers] better. Why not here?

      saintbruce.bruce - 2012-06-16 22:18

      At the time the Gautrain was proposed as a "solution" to road traffic congestion, the cost of R 12 Billion [initially] would have been enough to construct a double decker M1 from JHB to Pretoria! But NO - both the train AND a road project [not a freeway if use is charged for] go ahead at some fantastic costs that we may never really know the full price or who the real beneficiaries are! There may be a nice train and a nice road or two around Gauteng - but these are the duty of the Province to provide as a service to the population who pay taxes to have a workable economy sustained. Johannesburg, a World Class City ? More a 'wobbly class' than World Class right now! There are better ways to reduce congestion - improve public transport systems, remove heavy vehicles during peak use, allow flexitime labour hours, deliveries after hours in city and town centres, remove unroadworthy professional passenger carriers permanently [destroy them without compensation], get tough on real serious traffic offences. Most 'organised' cities around the world have some of these options in use to serve their citizens [read customers] better. Why not here?

  • paulus.deboer.3 - 2012-06-15 17:37

    So if user-pay is the way to go, why exclude taxis from paying? To reduce congestion, what about truck-free hours, eg during peak time?

      paulus.deboer.3 - 2012-06-15 17:39

      Sorry for the double post.

  • louis.olivier.988 - 2012-06-15 17:44

    what rubbish. It was another way of lining the anc big wig pockets, and besides why don't these government stooges jack up the public transport or is it too sophitcated for these low forheads of the anc to manage without steeling it blind

  • louis.olivier.988 - 2012-06-15 17:45

    what rubbish. It was another way of lining the anc big wig pockets, and besides why don't these government stooges jack up the public transport or is it too sophitcated for these low forheads of the anc to manage without steeling it blind

  • muhammed.bhyat.12 - 2012-06-15 17:50

    \Having considered various options for decongestion... government came to the conclusion that the user-pay model was the most equitable.\ THIS WAS CLEARLY A UNILATERAL DECISION .

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:50

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:51

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:51

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:51

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:52

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-06-15 17:53

    How stupid can someone be??? Trucks and taxi's is the main cause of congestion. Start there before you opt the most ineffective, most expensive option. And no, it won't ease the congestion. Where is our railways to ease roadtransport?? But yes, that was just another skim to steal more of the taxpayers money. Get real

  • Sean Wasserman - 2012-06-15 17:55

    Would the Blue Light Brigade, who often disrupt my morning commute and cause a disruption to otherwise smooth traffic flow, be exempt?

  • ambauli - 2012-06-15 17:56

    Overhaul the public transport system - then watch the highway decongest!

  • Louis - 2012-06-15 18:05

    Either we drive and pay or we drive and don't pay...no solution for congestion as the alternative routes are not up to standard. What rubbish - once again the government thinks they are speaking to idiots.

  • Riaan Petzer - 2012-06-15 18:11

    Nice try....try again

  • jaba.kov - 2012-06-15 18:12

    E-tolling was intended to help reduce congestion on Gauteng's roads?? Bull $hi# Mr Deputy President - it was intended to steal more money from us... so take your lies and stick it to some other part of our population... maybe the one's you are starving from a proper education! keep the people uneducated and they will keep voting for corrupt criminals such as the lousy ANC... the ANC of today is not the same old ANC that fought for my freedom.

  • jaba.kov - 2012-06-15 18:12

    E-tolling was intended to help reduce congestion on Gauteng's roads?? Bull $hi# Mr Deputy President - it was intended to steal more money from us... so take your lies and stick it to some other part of our population... maybe the one's you are starving from a proper education! keep the people uneducated and they will keep voting for corrupt criminals such as the lousy ANC... the ANC of today is not the same old ANC that fought for my freedom.

  • mbonyathi - 2012-06-15 18:15

    To help congestion stop wasting tax payers monies and and come up with more feasible projects that will help every south African. Build more highways tunnel this city and put trains under it. Stop using that expensive jet and get into ordinary SAA flights the n divert the money saved to improve the road network in a better way than installing these gantries. And out is high time you start listening to the people who put you up there. we can take you down with a simple X

      adam.gardener.12 - 2012-06-15 18:34

      mbonyathi, if they tunnel Johannesburg area, they will be able to use ferries.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-06-15 18:16

    What a load of BS. there is no reliable and safe public transport. the ETOLL is there to milk the public for more money and its is based on corrupt deals.

  • mbonyathi - 2012-06-15 18:16

    To help congestion stop wasting tax payers monies and and come up with more feasible projects that will help every south African. Build more highways tunnel this city and put trains under it. Stop using that expensive jet and get into ordinary SAA flights the n divert the money saved to improve the road network in a better way than installing these gantries. And out is high time you start listening to the people who put you up there. we can take you down with a simple X

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-06-15 18:20

    Ok, reduce congestion on the highways by e-tolling - how - by making motorists use the side roads, so they become imppossibly congested - the logic (or lack of) defeats me.

  • Wehan Van Greunen - 2012-06-15 18:31

    LOL so many jokes so little time!

  • renny.meere - 2012-06-15 18:33

    That is just so kind of you Mr.Motlanthe, thank you very much. I was thinking of using the same technique on my wife by getting a girlfriend, this will take the strain off my wife, you guys are the best, thank you once again for being so considering.

      Paolo Cescutti - 2012-06-16 05:03

      What's the fuss if the e toll doesn't come about, the government is just going to screw everyone and get the money from the public some other way.

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-06-15 18:38

    And earn R20 000 000.00 revenue per day - Ja Ja tell me another story!

  • carl.debeer.33 - 2012-06-15 18:41

    What an embarrasing comment by a Deputy President. I think his mind might be congested as it has no more excuses.

  • carl.debeer.33 - 2012-06-15 18:42

    What an embarrasing comment by a Deputy President. I think his mind might be congested as it has no more excuses.

  • staci.turnbull - 2012-06-15 18:46

    i get that ... but how do you propose people get to work?? the Gautrain is barely coping with the volumes they have now and there is no viable alternative?\??!! Rea Vaya is not working as well as it should due to taxi pressures ?? what do we do ??

  • staci.turnbull - 2012-06-15 18:46

    i get that ... but how do you propose people get to work?? the Gautrain is barely coping with the volumes they have now and there is no viable alternative?\??!! Rea Vaya is not working as well as it should due to taxi pressures ?? what do we do ??

  • sean.flannigan.18 - 2012-06-15 18:46

    It will reduce congestion because there will be plenty of people who can't afford to pay for something they have already paid for !!! E-tolls were built to fill the pockets of the ANC bigwigs !!!

  • sean.flannigan.18 - 2012-06-15 18:46

    It will reduce congestion because there will be plenty of people who can't afford to pay for something they have already paid for !!! E-tolls were built to fill the pockets of the ANC bigwigs !!!

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-06-15 18:48

    The only thing congested is all the big nobs sitting at Scamral. That's why they are all so full of sh#t.

  • freddy.vanwijk - 2012-06-15 19:08

    To lessen the pressure on our freeways is a must and we all can agree on that, but to e-toll as a solution? NO! That is not solution as it is a "quick fix" that the tax payers can ill-afford. The solution is better oversight in how taxpayer's money is used that is collected at present and not to "cut other department's budget allocations" to "prop up SANDRAL" or should we rather say "SCANDRAL".

  • brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 19:12

    It is not a matter of tolls vs congestion, Motlanthe, it is about the method of extortion. Tolls, in this guise, are too expense, relative to the benefit. There is too much waste - yes, genius, of money. Stop trying to divert attention from the real issue. We can still pay (again, and again...) for roads, but, we don't have to squander so much of our increasingly scarce financial resources as we do so.

  • brett.macdonald1 - 2012-06-15 19:12

    It is not a matter of tolls vs congestion, Motlanthe, it is about the method of extortion. Tolls, in this guise, are too expense, relative to the benefit. There is too much waste - yes, genius, of money. Stop trying to divert attention from the real issue. We can still pay (again, and again...) for roads, but, we don't have to squander so much of our increasingly scarce financial resources as we do so.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-06-15 19:16

    Cough \BULL SH#T\, must relieve congestion on the FREEways! So what about the secondary roads nitwit? Biggest bull I've ever heard, whats the next excuse?

      enoch.zantsi - 2012-06-15 19:28

      Iceman, remember that the secondary roads have to be funded by the tax payer nevertheless. I'm against Toll Fees only by virtue of their regressive nature, their burden is felt a lot more by the entrants of the middle class than they are about the comfy 4X4 folk. Apart from that, we've got to think of a way the govt can effectively use to tax us and relieve congestion. Toll Roads are not an effective answer.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-06-15 19:16

    Read my lips: you do not reduce congestion by adding lanes. You reduce congestion by reducing the number of cars on the road. You do that by having a decent public transport system. You increase these lanes and in 2 years it will not be enough - so will you increase the lanes further? Think about it - if you have a bus that carries 60 people and a car, on average 2 people, then you effectively remove 30 vehicles with every bus on the road. But it is quite likely that your bus drivers will go on strike for 3 months of every year, so drivers will still choose to use their own cars anyway. So - first neutralise Cosatu, then we can talk about improving this country. But because you do not have the guts to take on Cosatu (who bring you millions of votes and therefore have you by the short and curlies) you make the road-users pay for your cowardice. I say NO!

  • glenda.mackay.18 - 2012-06-15 19:48

    Motlanthe,sing us another song. The song you are singing at the moment is out of tune!!! How must people get to work?

  • kenjaymay - 2012-06-15 20:02

    If you just fix the faulty traffic lights, get the truck drivers to go for a proper legal licence and stop the a$$holes from texting while they drive it will be problem solved!

  • savannah.theron - 2012-06-15 20:06

    Oh bull. It was never about the congestion, its always been about the money that could be made...

  • Pieter Kunz - 2012-06-15 22:47

    So mr motlanthe, is this going to be the excuse to implement this in other provinces as well with "congested" roads.. The only thing government look at was the maths of $ per car to increase goverments coffers which ib return covers our money hungry leaders. We have already paid for the roads, its goverments fault that they neglected infrastructure across SA over the last 2 decades and now suddenly wants to fix everything with money they wasted and expects the tax payer to pay yet again for roads paid by the fuel levy. Other problem is that they should have invited all other parties to be part of this panel instead its mostly the departments who wants to implement e toll. Enough is enough!

  • kasper.mbayi2 - 2012-06-15 23:40

    Mr Motlanthe it seems your salary is not enough as you still hungry for poor people's money. You budgeting with our money you wrong you are not a good leader.

  • paul.duplessis - 2012-06-16 01:53

    He must think we are stupid. Our highways are mostly congested because trucks rather than trains must transport goods between cities. Use our hard earned and perpetually squandered tax money to install and maintain a proper rail system, then the ANC government won't have to milk us dry.

  • paul.duplessis - 2012-06-16 01:53

    He must think we are stupid. Our highways are mostly congested because trucks rather than trains must transport goods between cities. Use our hard earned and perpetually squandered tax money to install and maintain a proper rail system, then the ANC government won't have to milk us dry.

  • popeye.sailor.1884 - 2012-06-16 03:28

    Why don't your start working on the congestion in your head !

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-06-16 06:15

    Provide viable affordable and safe alternative transport then!!

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-16 07:22

    Most interesting that you are able to turn a complete debacle, caused by your own greed and underhanded dealings, once more into our problem. You've admittedly become very good at this but that doesn't mean you're correct, or addressing the root problem. Can we also assume that SAA, Eskom, Transnet, Telkom and the rest of the disastrous infrastructure you and your cronies manage will also be on the receiving end of similar "solutions"? Good try but a fail nevertheless.

  • Leonard - 2012-06-16 08:16

    where do u come with your rubbish maybe if you and e tolls did not want to ripped south African off maybe it would of gone through!maybe if you took the money from the petrol level it would been fine like 2cent but once again you are a fat cat that needs your billy full!boo on u

  • Blip - 2012-06-16 08:58

    Put a big, fat tollgate obstruction across an open road and think it EASES rather than CAUSES congestion? Next up the ANC will be trying to defy the law of gravity and pass laws demanding things will not fall down but upwards.

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