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Gordhan: Be honest with taxman

2012-07-02 12:05

Pretoria - South Africans are urged to be sincere and truthful with the SA Revenue Service (Sars) in the 2012 tax season.

Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan told reporters in Pretoria on Monday there would be consequences, including legal processes and penalties, for people who do not comply with their tax obligations.

"In order for government to deliver services, in order for the poor people in South Africa to benefit from taxes paid by South Africans, we are trying to generate values in our society, the right kind values which say we must declare honestly what we earn.

"These are values of solidarity, that we need to be mindful of others as well," he said.

The tax season is the period in which individuals and trusts must submit their income tax returns for the year. This year's season starts on July 1.

"There are significant numbers of... people who do not quite declare honestly. Those who choose to be non-compliant must bear the brunt of enforcement, which is a crucial part of keeping social balances right in any society around us," said Gordhan.

On Monday, Sars commissioner Oupa Magashula unveiled several technological innovations to make filing easier this year.

"We have an eFiling app (application) for tablets, iPads and smartphones. We have developed a mobi site for cellphone users."

He said about 12 million individual taxpayers contributed a total of R251.6bn through personal tax income tax in the last year. This amounted to 33.8% of the country's total revenue collection.

By 23:00 on Sunday, 18 031 taxpayers had filed their returns via eFiling, said Magashula.

 

Comments
  • martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-02 12:27

    hahahahhahahahah cash is king

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-02 13:15

      im not helping some limpopo skank with her grant, screw that. plus the potholes i must dodge, traffic lights out, watching mamezi blow housing money, zumas new jet, bwahahaha sabc, nope.

  • Koos - 2012-07-02 12:36

    In the budget speech it was around 4.3 mil taxpayers now it is 12 mil. Lets be honest with each other. Honesty breeds credibility. It will be my pleasure to once again completed my efilling with a zero amount. I'm glad that I did not contribute 1 cent to your piggybank.

  • dhavandran.palavar - 2012-07-02 12:36

    In order for government to deliver services, in order for the poor people in South Africa to benefit from taxes paid by South Africans, we are trying to generate values in our society, the right kind values which say we must declare honestly what we earn. "These are values of solidarity, that we need to be mindful of others as well," he said. shame and how honest are you with us about your anc buddies and their theft of honest taxpayer's money?

      andre.pretorius.1297 - 2012-07-02 12:39

      Well said!!! Also notice that the thumbs up has been disabled>

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-07-02 12:43

      Gordon is soooo funny... we are trying to generate values in our society, the right kind values which say we must declare honestly what we earn. Pathetic bunch never seen a single days honesty from them.

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-07-02 12:36

    Like you were with the e-tolls you clown?

  • richard.russmann - 2012-07-02 12:37

    Do as we say, do not do as we do.

      provence.poppies - 2012-07-02 12:40

      Great minds think alike

  • dhavandran.palavar - 2012-07-02 12:39

    you and your cANCer govt do not have any values at all . there is no service delivery because you still believe you are fighting a struggle.get a life the struggle is over but not amongst your cronies who are fighting amongst themselves while the poor suffer.

  • provence.poppies - 2012-07-02 12:39

    Yes, do as we say, not as we do!

  • mongwadi - 2012-07-02 12:49

    if i had a choice i wasn't gonna contribute nothing, unfortunately it is being stolen from my pay cheque..

  • luca.delbianco.3 - 2012-07-02 12:54

    Since when SA got more than 12 millions tax payers as until recently the tax payers' pool was more or less 5 millions?I found it this statement quite illogical as I cant see how the hell from one tax year to another the pool has added up more than 7 millions tax payers.We should bear in mind that as the country has been going through the recession and the shedding of thousands of jobs..it sounds like pure utopia to have had tax payers numbers growing so much .

  • norman.depluhm - 2012-07-02 13:00

    Yea, sure, let's all live in solidarity while we build values into our society. I like that, just not that you can call for it and enforce it when it comes to taking our money, but not when it comes to servicing your obligations as a government. I always laughed (inside. with tears.) that the only state apparatus that seems to work properly is the one collecting all the money. The ones that spend the money or deploy resources are, frankly, crap.

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-07-02 13:03

    Cluck it !! Honesty ..... This word does not fit into the governments vocab. They squander our monies left right and centre on clap and they have the cheek for US to be honest...hahahahaha!! They DO NOT appreciate our contribution, they think they have us by the short and curlies, in fact they do.So go to hell, if you can get away with tax,legally,do so. THE TIME HAS COME FOR US TO REFUSE TO PAY TAX UNTILL SUCH TIME THAT THE GOVERNMENT CAN HONESTLY ACCOUNT TO US. STOP SPENDING OUR MONIES ON HEAVY PARLEMENTARIANS/MINISTERS AND DIRECTOR GENERALS PAY AND AEROPLANES ETC ETC.

  • hendrikvs - 2012-07-02 13:05

    Will they also be honest then to refund me the money they owe me since 2008?

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-07-02 13:06

    start spending our tax money in a responsible manner then we'll be honest. Services? What a joke.

  • Sharon - 2012-07-02 13:06

    Why do we as tax payers have to bail out Eskom so they can take profits. Those profits should go back to us the taxpayers who are the paying shareholders in the form of proper service delivery. Profit should only be paid out once us as the taxpaying shareholders have received our returns on the bail out.

  • yazeed.khan1 - 2012-07-02 13:07

    Gordhan: Tell Goverment and your co-workers to be hinest with our taxes??

  • goldie.gold.940 - 2012-07-02 13:16

    I am very happy to be honest in my tax, but will the government be honest in how it is spent? Buying planes, attending circuses (sorry, I mean conferences) and giving hand-outs to people who make NO effort to better themselves is not a good use of one of the highest tax rates in the world!

  • jason.ugolini - 2012-07-02 13:17

    Bullcrap!! This country is so corrupt in so many ways and you want us to be honest??? Have you lost your mind???

  • derekneilmaclachlan - 2012-07-02 13:23

    Please ask the taxi owners and also the huge chinese population who pay no taxes to start contributing!!!!!

  • errol.wagner - 2012-07-02 13:52

    I agree, we must be honest. But Mr Finance minister please also tell your fellow cabinet ministers to be honest. Honesty is something rare in this country. When our president and his men get away with corruption on the scale of the MAFIA, then don't be surprised if the man in the street follows their example. Of course, the man in the street is followed up ruthlessly, whereas our ANC cadre's are as slippery as snakes.

  • anthony.denozo.336 - 2012-07-02 14:29

    Kiss my ... Mr Taxman

  • antin.herinck - 2012-07-02 14:44

    Ha that's a funny one Pravin. I have to hand it to you. (Otherwise you take it anyway.) Tell us how does it feel, to take our money, only to have it stolen by the billions, by your ANC cronies who live in the lap of luxury and stuff their offshore, secret bank-accounts. And this, whilst you have the majority of your voters living in squalor? Do you ever worry about that, at night, before you go to sleep? Or are you also a certifiable psychopath who does not care, like the rest of you?

  • alan.smart.102 - 2012-07-02 14:57

    Hhahahhahahhahhahahhahhaahhahahahhahah!!!!!!! bhhhaawawwawawawwawaaahahhahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahhaah!!! WTF, Is this guy for real?????? hehhehehhhahhahhahahhahahahhahahahhahaha...this is a joke, right????

  • cobus.viljoen.9 - 2012-07-02 15:00

    Does Gordon's comments also apply to corrupt politicians???

  • leonard.rom.7 - 2012-07-02 15:01

    lets be honest what do you do with ur tax money where is the service delievery we pay for on rates and taxes

  • john.m.mcdowall - 2012-07-02 15:06

    Get your own house in order first you hypocrite

  • niren.chotoki - 2012-07-02 15:21

    .....so that they can spend R2,2 Billion on presidential jets, if anything we should all stop paying taxes and hold the government to ransom, deliver services and we will pay taxes, what do you have to say about that Mr Gordhan?

  • camp.j - 2012-07-02 15:40

    Be honest on eTolling Mr Taxman

  • Aaron - 2012-07-02 15:45

    the govt must be honest first. bunch of crooks they are. you want us to pay more so they can steal more

  • alisha.abad.7 - 2012-07-02 15:46

    Screw-it I'm not paying another cent tax until the government stops wasteful expenditure, corruption and keeping the ANC clique in posh millionaire / Hollywood lifestyles. I sent a letter to SARS today demanding they stop defrauding me and stating I'm cancelling my tax-payer contract for breach.

      my10cent - 2012-07-02 19:26

      Since i have stopped paying tax, i sleep better. I work a 14 hour day/7 days a week and absolutely WILL NOT allow for my money to be wasted like Government does.

  • francie.potgieter - 2012-07-02 15:46

    If we have to be truthful on our income tax forms, can the Government then please be truthful and tell us the taxpayer of all the money they have stolen over the last tax season.

  • brettcch - 2012-07-02 16:16

    What a patronising idiot. SA's problem is no longer the collection of taxes as much as it is now how it is being spent/stolen. I suggest he takes this up with his colleagues.

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-03 01:18

      Well said.

  • mina.venter.9 - 2012-07-02 16:22

    Gosh Government, can you not see the anger from South Africans?? Mr. G please print all of these objections and bad remarks and convey it to your fellow ANC companions and the president. If this is not a wake up call, nothing can wake you up ANC government.

  • WG - 2012-07-02 16:38

    AGREE! AND BE HONEST WITH TAX MONEY! Civilized (tax) laws can never be legal for illegal use. Yet many public reports indicate illegal tax abuse of amassed trillions for corruption over decades. Rot starts with the highest political powers. Because they have absolute control of tax moneys and the legal duties to prevent corruption, recover any and still tax this illegal income, and dismiss corrupters. Breaching their legal duties is illegal too. Illegal tax feeds protected untaxed corrupters, and discriminates against poor masses and enslaved taxpayers. Honesty by all will slash tax for all and end poverty. Blatant corruption and murderous oppression of poorest protesters against rotten services beg: How can power abusers represent free and honest elections by the people? Lastly, to control tax money is extremely easy for honest and competent persons: pay only the monthly expenses within the legally approved budgets. As the highest political powers have absolute control to collect and spend tax money, any tax fraud can start only right here where absolute power corrupts absolutely. Cry beloved people, vote power abusers out!

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-07-02 16:39

    The rift is coming soon. There is little left to do.

  • fanie.brink.5 - 2012-07-02 19:15

    No mr Gordhan don't ask us to be honest! Rather ask us wheather we might be prepared to seriuosly consider if we are willing to still pay you some taxes on some of our income!!!!

  • pieriewaaier.zooms - 2012-07-02 19:16

    Oh! Just bugger off you cynical fool! You know until quite recently you were the one I paid attention to in government. I trusted you! BUT NO LONGER! You are part of those coniving f*ckers in cabinet agreeing to e-tolls, wasteful squandering of our tax maoney on unheard of levels of corruption & maladmisntration that's sickening (education, SAPS, health, etc etc) agreeig to the purchase of a luxurious Boeing whorehouse for this illiterate president the ANC has saddled us with and nowhere, but nowhere have I seen you puttting your foot down and say "NO!, this is wrong!". You just went along all the time. So just f*ckoff! You are part of the stinking ANC cesspool of corruption and making a quick buck on the sly! AND YOU THINK YOU CAN TELL US WHAT TO DO? Believe me, I'll use every single measure at my disposal to not pay tax and I can, buddy, I can. CASH IS KING AS THE SAY & I AM THE KING OF CASH! Yo won't get a cent this time whereas in previous years I was a good lawabiding citizen and I was stupid, stupid, stupid! Because you & your buddies in government did not appreciate it. So, just bugger off you whimp!!

  • thepatrickwinter - 2012-07-02 19:45

    It is very clear going through these comments, the tax payers have had enough. If only we could start a tax boycott that we all subscribe too, a bit like the e-tolling movement. Power in numbers.

      flyswat - 2012-07-03 10:54

      Man! I wish people would listen to you! It seems they're too chicken though because they get bullied by the "government". It's like being in an abusive relationship. You shut up and do what you're told to avoid even worse treatment. What are they seriously going to do if nobody pays? There's sweet fanny f**k-alls they can do about it. But sheeple will be sheeple, brainwashed crybabies.

  • michael.moolman.7 - 2012-07-02 20:52

    I'll be honest with the taxman when they stop taking the money I saved during any year trying to build up for a deposit for my own house, or...when hell freezes over - whichever happens first.

  • evanknowles - 2012-07-02 20:59

    Gordhan, implementing the new plan known only as "eTrolling"...

      flyswat - 2012-07-03 10:55

      hahahaha! love it. That's exactly what it is!

  • ede.klerk.5 - 2012-07-02 21:37

    This chap (minister??) has a blinkin cheek to stress honesty and generating values in our society whilst he is sitting in a cabinet amongst a lot of self-enriching, incompetent and valueless colleagues (thieves even?) and never says or does anything about his cronies around the table who waste billions of our hard earned money. None of then has a value proposition that any of us has noticed so far. I am starting to believe the opposite to what this guy is preaching - namely that the time is fast approaching where we must start a class action and stop paying taxes that enables them to "rape" us in the way that they currently do!

  • oliver.kreibich - 2012-07-02 22:05

    Pravin, you need more money to sponsor all your buddies, conveniently on long term fully paid suspension.

  • Robin - 2012-07-03 04:13

    Can any of you intelligence officers monitoring this forum please convey the general sentiments expressed here to minister Gordhan ! He surely is totally out of tune about what is happening in this country !

      boistete.creuset - 2012-07-03 06:18

      Think he cares in the least?

  • flyswat - 2012-07-03 10:51

    OMG, I'm speechless! Legal theft!! I thought slavery was abolished?? They can't put all the country's earners in jail or they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Don't be bullied. If nobody pays, what are they going to do? They don't have enough tax paying citizens to build the jails needed if nobody pays! Just a thought...

  • Robin - 2012-07-03 16:59

    "... Gordhan: Be honest with taxman...." Taxman - be honest with us - what happens to our tax-money ...?"

  • lydia.potgieter - 2012-07-03 17:25

    It would be so wonderful if all taxpayers were honest with the Taxman. But even more wonderful if Treasury and Government could keep track of all taxes paid. Then the poor and homeless might be better off. Taxpayers work hard to be able to pay their taxes, but they pay it because they are honest, hardworking and God fearing citizens of this, our beloved country. Please Mr Gordhan, we are becoming despondent when we see and hear how our money is wasted, misspent and stolen. Money meant to help our country go forward and help the poor, suffering masses. People are struggling to survive. And we are aware that some people have and others struggle to live. It hurts us then when we see that what money you have to help them is pilfered. And by people who have and whom we should be able to trust. This cannot be how we have to live. South Africa and South Afrcans are worth more than this. Mr. Gordhan did you struggle for this? I am truly grateful for all the other great things that have been done in the past 18 years since freedom came. There are many. May God be with you. Les.P Benoni

  • guy.barnes.900 - 2012-07-04 07:43

    There is a contract between all land owners and Government. Government will provide services and security of ownership of land, in exchange for which landowners pay rates and taxes. The Government is now in breach of this agreement by publicly talking about expropriation of property without fair and equitable remuneration. Why then should landowners pay tax? Surely we should put these monies into a private trust, until the issue is resolved. ie Do not pay it over to the party in breach.

  • andrew.grieveson.92 - 2012-07-13 20:23

    Sars never ever mentions corruption . It's as if it doesn't exist !!

  • Maretha Mineur - 2013-07-13 08:24

    There may be 12 million people registered with SARS, but only a smalli number of those actually pay tax. Every person in formal employment, no matter how little he or she earns, must by law be registered with SARS. Pravin is just trying to fool the few who actually pay tax to feel they are not being robbed blind.

  • Fanie Kuhn - 2013-07-14 00:44

    A substantial part of the ANC government is a large criminal organisation. From the very top, we can see fraud (his partner in fraud, from whom he received bribes, Shabbie Shaik was convicted on 783 counts of fraud with Zoomer payments, and Zoomer gets off scot-free), nepotism and theft: the final cost of Nkandla at R274m (Public Works etimate) plus the 30m the IDC put into the failing main contractor = R304m spent on his private residence: in terms of the Constitutional requirement that Govt spending be cost-effective, can it be said R304 million is a reasonable (in the legal sense) amount to spend on security, say compared with the last 5 Presidents? Every act of corruption is an act of theft against the taxpayer and against the poor (who rely 99% on govt services). The situation with the poor and Govt delivery is so bad that even middle-aged white males slightly right of centre like myself feel that they deserve priority in efficient govt spending. EG the disastrous education system is absolutely criminal in that so much more could be done with the same financial resources, and the govt is effectively condemning them to lives of poverty. Every additional rand they could have earned with a good basic education and that they are not currently earning is theft against them by the govt. Also, the problem with tenders is firstly the price is inflated to bay for the bribes, and then the guy with the connections who gets the job knows f-all and produces low-grade work.

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