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Gauteng e-tolls delayed

2012-01-13 13:15

Johannesburg - The South African National Roads Agency (Sanral) announced on Friday that e-tolling in Gauteng would not commence in February as initially planned.

The agency said it was exploring different modalities which would be presented to Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele.

Earlier this week Sanral said that that 212 906 Gauteng e-toll account units had been registered by January 10 for phase one of the controversial Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP)

Light motor vehicles are expected to be charged R0.40/km, medium vehicles R1/km, "longer" vehicles R2/km, and bikers R0.24/km.

Qualifying commuter taxis and buses would be exempted entirely.

Gauteng e-toll tags would only be operational at the Bakwena toll plaza from February.

GFIP phase one cost about R20bn to complete, with most of it financed from loans.

The tolls have been opposed by a wide range of organisations, including trade unions and business bodies.

Comments
  • Koporo - 2012-01-13 13:26

    I wont pay and if we all stand together they cant make us. have not got another R1500 p/month to throw away , already tapped out.

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-13 13:43

      Agreed.

      shauncro - 2012-01-13 13:49

      not to mention the way it's going to drive up our food prices!

      Goose - 2012-01-13 13:58

      With you bru. The theft stops here and NOW!

  • Willie_G - 2012-01-13 13:34

    HAHAHA instead of cooking a figure of 200 000 flat they opted for a nice 212 906 instead to try and screw the public into thinking the majority of road users support this useless and financial blackmail campaign

      clinton.birch - 2012-01-13 13:41

      I haven't met a single person who has bought one yet. And do you think the 212 906 people they claim bought them will now be eligible for a refund?

  • Koos - 2012-01-13 13:38

    and dont forget the public .... why would we want to pay double for roads....???

  • Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-13 13:41

    Who said crime doesn't pay?! Taxis will not have to pay?! Absolutely shocking.

      Bigrp - 2012-01-13 14:01

      Agreed Donny...I can understand buses not paying, they are provided by government, but taxi's are privately owned, so why should they be exempt?

      100003302177072 - 2012-01-13 14:08

      I think the government is afraid of the taxi industry, or maybe they donate some cash to the ANC

  • Davin - 2012-01-13 13:43

    Well, I am not paying a cent to this... I lose more than half of my salary to taxes... not paying any more.

      100002314388617 - 2012-01-13 19:41

      Here here....

  • 100003089417082 - 2012-01-13 13:48

    How do I register as a taxi owner? I will let EVERYONE join.

  • shauncro - 2012-01-13 13:49

    I won't pay extra for blutty tolls. It's not my fault they want to steal money left right and center then can't maintain and upgrade the roads. Not only that, but, they make taxi's exempt from the tolls, then still charge the trucks that will carry our food, either way the poorer ppl are going to sit with the decision of whether to go to work or to buy food with their money. Am i the only one that see's this!!!!!

  • Mafaka - 2012-01-13 13:52

    I refuse to pay for this. I hope everybody else will do the same! What can they do if everybody simply refuses?

  • clinton.birch - 2012-01-13 13:53

    I wonder how long those ugly toll gantries will be left in place when they not used? Probably till they rust and then fall onto the highway with tragic consequences.

  • RhinoGP - 2012-01-13 13:55

    whats about the tax we pay for fuel - when the fuel price goes up, the toll prices go up, when fuel prices come down, Toll prices stay and when fuel goes up again, the tolls go up again since the last increase - so it only up up and away - never down???? why?????

  • Goose - 2012-01-13 13:56

    Going ahead with the toll gantries minister Ndebele WILL result in a very large backlash against government! Of that I can assure you! We will NOT pay any more while half the population gets away with paying nothing. You have gone too far this time and the only solution to the tolling is to add a few(no more than 25c per litre) rands to the privce of petrol for EVERYONE...INCLUDING TAXIS. That is the only way of saving costs, billing everyone equally and getting us to join your hair-brained and ill-advised scheme.

  • Mafaka - 2012-01-13 13:57

    I refuse to pay for this. I hope everybody else will do the same! What can they do if everybody simply refuses?

      Mrs_Lesane - 2012-01-13 14:16

      Im so with u on this. It was a bad idea to start with and guess who needs to pay for it? Me and u! I'm not paying for this!

  • Goose - 2012-01-13 13:58

    Apparently almost all those 200 000 accounts are government vehicles. So they are spreading propaganda and trying to get us all to join. They can get stuffed!

  • 100000312695185 - 2012-01-13 13:58

    If you ever wanted to know how many police, military, government and muncipal cars are in gauteng - there are exactly 212 906 .

  • willbeonekenobi - 2012-01-13 13:59

    they should delay this 'scheme' indefinitely!

  • Koporo - 2012-01-13 14:03

    Spread the word - the gantries are full of copper cable!

  • delahvonne - 2012-01-13 14:04

    How many years will it take to square off the R20 billion + interest loan,surely there was a more efficient way of generating income for road infrastructure improvement.

      IandI - 2012-01-13 14:17

      We are paying them taxes, which they use to host parties and stay in luxury hotels, eating cake and drinking champagne "on behalf of the masses". Away with e-tags..AWAY! If we allow this one to succeed next we will have toll gates on all major roads. We don't have broomsticks to fly over these toll gates.

  • 100003045810659 - 2012-01-13 14:08

    hope it NEVER works!

  • Niren_ - 2012-01-13 14:10

    Next press release coming soon to read "Gauteng e-tolls cancelled"

  • Henk - 2012-01-13 14:15

    GOED. NOU KAN SANRAL OOK DIE GEMORS WAT TRAC IN NELSPRUIT OP DIE N4 AANJAAG UITSORTEER WANT DIE INWONERS IS BESIG OM OOK HIER SAAM TE TREK!

  • Neelsie - 2012-01-13 14:16

    Well, at least the roads are very nice to use. You guys from Gauteng pay for your own roads and use them - we in PE does not have the luxury - only when visiting I will be liable. No levy on petrol.

      ;eboness - 2012-01-14 10:20

      Neelsie we are paying for your roads too. Your fuel levy is too little down there so we subsidise you. Be very careful in saying such things.

  • Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-01-13 14:16

    and this has been delayed because... No one has bought e-tags... "The agency said it was exploring different modalities ".... lmao... DO NOT BUY E-TAGS... it is obviously already working!!!!

      TIWWL - 2012-01-13 15:04

      This is not the reason why this was delayed, the E-Toll uses more than just the E-Tag to identify the vehicle. The E-TAG is just one of many ways to get the vehicles info. They don't need us to buy the E-Tag! But the true reason why this was delayed would be nice to know.

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-01-13 15:13

      Yes TIWWL, the gantries also pick upi your registration number BUT you have to have registered with SANRAL for them to be able to bill you (or have paid for a day pass)..... obviously, SANRAL are not getting the response from the public that they expected... they obviously thought ppl would be complacent are just accept it, which I am happy to say, is obviously not happening... ppl are tired of getting srhafted... I for one, refuse to pay these tolls. If I get arrested, fo driving thru a gantry unregistered, so be it... I will fight it tooth and nail in court... I have seriously had enough!!!

      flysouth - 2012-01-14 09:19

      DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG! DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG! DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG! This is the only effective way to stop these tolls, short of blasting the gantries to bits. The entire system relies 100% on immediate and low cost collection of monies via electronic means. Without this the business model is a dead duck! Do not allow government to start talk about 'negotiations' on the amount of the toll fees - we must stick to our guns and the demand is nothing less than 'Away with ALL tolls"! Believe it or not on this issue I find myself ready to march with COSATU - never thought I would ever say such a thing! It is a system designed for the more advanced societies of this world, by an Austrian company called Kapsch, who touts it worlwide - look up their website. The system demands that you allow unknown people working for the company to have unfettered access to your bank account - PEOPLE ARE INSANE to even consider this! Incidentally it has already been revealed that Kapsch will get the lion's share of revenues, up to 85% going to them! So the benefit to SA of the tolls is already suspect. Like Clive and others, I too am 'gatvol' of this thieving government who seem to believe we are here to be shorn like so many sheep. The toll plan is the FINAL STRAW - this is the line in the sand and I will defend that line with every means I can bring to bear! Government will be wise to listen very closely to the people on this one - otherwise they could well be facing a 'RSA Spring"!

  • Mark - 2012-01-13 14:19

    212000 vehicles registered? The gvt must have handed all their vehicle registration records to SANRAL - including military vehicles, I bet you! Pity they didn't try to force this on us. I would have loved a RSA "Spring" to get rid of this nest of thieves.

  • Jean - 2012-01-13 14:22

    Why are taxis excluded? They are road users and all road users should pay, not just some. I think the gov is scared of the taxis. Imagine the chaos they can organise. With them not paying, we do not hear a peep from them.

  • MuAfrica - 2012-01-13 14:26

    I AM PAYING TOO MUCH TAX ALREADY. LET THE TENDERPRENEURS AND ALL THOSE FAT DEPLOYEES PAY.

  • Neelsie - 2012-01-13 14:26

    Hierdie is dieselfde storie as ESKOM Ons almal het geskree teen die 35% tarief verhoging - toe sny hulle net die krag af en ons almal val agteroor en betaal die 50% verhoging per jaar - is daar al enige kragstasies al gebou? Nee maar daar is hengse winste en bonusse verklaar???

      drummond.doig1 - 2012-01-13 14:52

      what are these robbers going to do??? close the roads if we dont pay ??? I think not.

  • Irene - 2012-01-13 14:30

    Why not srart using our Carbon Emmission taxes we pay when purchasing new cars to offset some of the debt .. Or to fix the deplorable state of the new roads. We are always being taken for a ride!!! ENOUGH. BOYCOTT THE E-TAG SYSTEM!!!

      Suzaan - 2012-01-13 15:14

      Yes!! The new roads are in a horrible condition all ready!

      PyroSA - 2012-01-13 17:04

      The Carbon tax will cover a tiny % of the monthly expenses, but I agree, it is one place it should be applied. The taxes from other regions must not be applied to settle Gauteng's loans though.

  • Jonathan G - 2012-01-13 14:33

    Best news ive heard in a while Please hopefully they will now be abolished completely. I wont pay a CENT to this worthless "initiative" for the 200k+ people who registered for Etags, SHAME ON YOU!!! How do you want to stop something if you support it!!

      Anwar de Klerk - 2012-01-13 16:09

      people of SA do not fall for this joke! itz a farce!! as said, if everbody decides not to get da tag and to pay the e-toll wil be eliminated. 200 000 people already got tags??? i doubt it is time for us to say. we have had enough! Viva comrades viva

  • 100000291423248 - 2012-01-13 14:36

    Viva people of Mzansi!!!!! We are winning this battle! Keep fighting, DON'T REGISTER!!

      Tsholofelo - 2012-01-13 15:26

      there was I thinking SA is a democratic country...what happened to having a say? why are we being forced into things? this is all crap...This is one thing I promise and vow will not pay for regardless the measure. People bought silences and I have been a good kid doing everything right...this time around I am going to be a very bad kid ;)

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-01-13 15:53

      dude i think sanral gave you a thumbs down hahaha...DONT Register!!!!

  • Koporo - 2012-01-13 14:40

    Noo re a leboga Sanral. Singen Koporo

  • joethoughts - 2012-01-13 14:48

    We appreciate the roads, but that's actually how things ought to be. Nevertheless, the idea of tolls is not bad; they just can't expect us to happily pay so much, when a lot is filtered to middlemen. Nor should anyone be exempt when these tolls are finally operational. Taxis and busses are on the roads for business... but so are the rest of us.

  • werner.smidt - 2012-01-13 14:55

    We are luckily not legally obliged to pay :)

  • CMLombard - 2012-01-13 15:20

    Besides they want us to start paying when the roads are not even completed.

  • Nathi - 2012-01-13 15:21

    I would like to know who are these people who have gone to get e-tags. I'm certainly not gonna get one. The day taxis and buses have to pay, is the day I'll go and get an e-tag.

  • Coenraad - 2012-01-13 15:26

    Maybe nobody is registering, because everybody will be using taxi's, busses and the Gautrain.

  • wayne.duvenage - 2012-01-13 15:37

    Why are we not surprised. The administrative calamity is a house of cards which has started to tumble.

  • nishan.sitlu - 2012-01-13 15:57

    The reason taxis are exempt is so they can avoid having the taxi associations striking and toi toi'ing outside their premises. If the taxis are exempt there isnt any1 to blockade roads in protest...

      Hochang - 2012-01-13 16:11

      Gauteng people must just pay, besides, you all bragg that you are being paid more than people in Cape Town, and that you are more advanced and your everything is of the highest standard, and you develop faster than Cape Town. So pay up, you can afford to.

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-13 16:36

      @Hochang – We get paid more because we work harder. When I visit Cape Town it feels like everyone is in slow motion.

      Hochang - 2012-01-13 16:56

      @Lorenzo, then you can afford to pay.

      PyroSA - 2012-01-13 17:06

      The taxi/public transport exemption is actually a good practice. It does provide a further incentive to reduce load on the roads. As an aside, the vehicles do need to qualify, and it gives them a proper hook to enforce the 100km/h limit placed on such vehicles.

      walter.guyer - 2012-01-13 21:13

      @Hochang: And since you appear to be from CPT, please keep your opinion to yourself, maybe? I do not believe that anyone up here is too interested? The tolls are a complete rip-off, the poor will suffer the most, the roads were rebuilt with tax payers funds, I see no reason why we should have to pay tolls. And besides, the reconstruction effort only cost that much because it took forever and many workers did very little, like on the N12 West for the last three years!

  • Renee - 2012-01-13 16:46

    Government could host night rave parties at each toll gate...the ultra voilet lights will be put to good use.

  • Jean - 2012-01-13 17:05

    And why are the Taxis exempted?? Because the Gov is scared of them, imagine the chaos they will cause. However, they are road users and shouls pay as well, who are they after all? Shame,the poor guys even have their own airline, that is how bad times are for them. The Gov must be fair, why discriminate? They use the road, they should pay. That is why they behave like spoiled brats.

  • Richard - 2012-01-13 19:06

    PyroSa your comment would make sense if we had a decent public transport system. We do not have this. Anybody traveling in a taxi is riding a death trap. In first world countries traffic is a problem but there are alternatives. We have none. Those that use the Taxis simply have no other choice but to risk their lives every day as the Government has made no alternatives available. I agree that the Taxi Associations have become so powerful that nobody dare challenge them by introducing better and safer and cheaper systems.

  • willie - 2012-01-13 19:42

    SANRAL must think that we are all gullible. The tariffs originally published for the individual toll gates are lower than the revised "lower" tariffs. What happenned? Did the distances suddenly increase, or do they think we are stupid?

  • Simone Aronje Adetoye - 2012-01-13 22:59

    I can not even imagine the costs traveling from Polokwane to Jhb-5 tollgates + e-toll costs! This is ludicrous!

  • Matthew - 2012-01-14 07:37

    @ Hochang! You do not speak for anyone but yourself. I am Capetonian and I fully support the movement AGAINST these rip off tolls! Do you honestly think they will leave CPT and Durbs alone if the people let the Gauteng Tolls off the ground? You should be supporting your fellow road users idiot!

  • Churchill - 2012-01-14 09:34

    Government was playing with fire here and I think they started realising this - hence the retreat. Corrupt & inefficient government was uniting ordinary obedient tax paying folk like you & me to become civilly disobedient. Where would it have ended -tax boycotts & pulling down of those UV towers ? Who knows ? Well done all of you for standing firm on this one. Roll on folk

  • ;eboness - 2012-01-14 10:25

    There are a few comments from some misguided individuals in other provinces who seem to think that this is a problem for Gautengers that has nothing to do with them. Think again. If the people of Gauteng, with their 4 million cars (out of 9 million in whole country) and high fuel usage, keep their fuel levies in the province, you will have no roads. We contribute 40% of all national levies. So please stop this craziness.

  • Chappies ZA - 2012-01-14 11:26

    South Africa tax is the highest in the world, what is happening to our money?

  • peter.fine1 - 2012-01-14 22:18

    show us the registered toll accounts - I dare you! this is total spin-doctoring to try and bulldoze a system through by trying to show that so many people have accepted it already - I don't believe it.

  • Louis Van Rensburg - 2012-01-16 13:28

    Another example of a toothless, gutless government putting popularity before common sense

  • GJB - 2012-01-16 19:37

    Last night I posted a comment under "Sanral financial difficulties" and asked whether the other toll projects could not have financed the Gauteng project. All need to remember that roads previously fell under the Provincial Governments, I think. With Sanral came a 'company' with financial support at the time from where-ever, thus more money to 'waste' by local governments. The question that needs to be asked is" Can Sanral show us whether the other projects are profitable or not, and whether Sanral just a bad idea or horrendous waste of tax payers money through rolling of funds". Please note, a question, not an accusation.

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