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E-toll saga nearing completion

2012-10-02 08:46

Johannesburg - Consumers could go and buy their e-toll discs, as the transport department was busy concluding talks on the matter, Minister Ben Martins has said, Beeld reported on Tuesday.

Speaking at the launch of National Transport Month in Soweto on Monday, Martins said more precise plans around the future of e-tolling would be made public at a media briefing on Friday.

He declined to answer further questions on the issue, or be drawn on when the government planned to start with e-tolling.

On September 20 the Constitutional Court set aside the interim interdict halting e-tolling of Gauteng's major roads, giving the SA National Roads Agency Ltd the right to start the process.

Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance spokesperson Wayne Duvenhage said on Monday the review hearing of the e-tolling system would still take place in November. He urged motorists to wait for more clarity on the issue before purchasing e-tolling discs.


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  • dave.elmore.5 - 2012-10-02 08:55

    No, we wont go and buy a disc..ever

      matshobana.siziba - 2012-10-02 09:41

      People are not necessarily fighting e-tolling, but these are snow-balling effects of intolerance to corruption by the gvt. As genuine as the project may be there is lack of confidence in people entrusted to handle the public funds. Food for thought. Today's discussion on http://www.facebook.com/MzansiPolitics. Like the page and lets fight for our rights.

      Willie - 2012-10-02 09:56

      WE WANT TO KNOW THE CONTENT OF THE CONTRACT,I WON'T BUY eTOLL DISC.NOT A CHANCE IN A MILLION YEARS

      bernardhill412 - 2012-10-02 10:48

      E-Toll can suck my Toll-E. They will NOT get a cent from me.

      mattewis.kat - 2012-10-02 10:59

      @matshobana The project cannot be genuine, as Bakwena has already proven that two-thirds of the income generated from road tolls disappears into unnecessary overheads! Tolling roads boils down to "restriction of movement", and if we had a better constitution than our current Animal Farm excerpt, this kind of action by government would have been ILLEGAL! FYI: I'm also NOT buying any disk of any kind!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-02 11:06

      cANCer can go and swivel on a spike before I'll buy an e-tag or pay any toll fee. Lock me up for all I care. When taxi's pay, I'll think about it, but until then, go and swivel.

      matshobana.siziba - 2012-10-02 11:30

      @Mattewis join the debate on http://www.facebook.com/MzansiPolitics by liking the page I believe your opinion is valued

      heathway.master - 2012-10-02 21:21

      In the same way as the Marikana miners have chosen this time to strike when the mines are on their knees to try and survive financially, so has the Government struck at the population when they are on their knees, trying to survive. Electricity has increased close to 300%. Rates and taxes close to 300%, price of petrol doubled. The present debt levels in the population are horrific. This is the time Government sees fit to hit the motorist with an extra R800 - R1200 toll tax. However they try and beat the public into submission by their greedy needs, economically e-tolling just has to fail. When you are faced with educating, clothing, feeding and housing your children, or passing this money on to Sanral, the final decision is a no brainer. When you have to finance and service your car to get to your life sustaining work, or for go all this and pay Sanral, the answer is a no brainer. I predict the Governments total arrogance and bullying the cash strapped citizen, can only result in complete humiliation and defeat for this bloodsucking, corrupt, billion rand luxury spending, incompetent, leaderless Government, which through the lamb like support from the masses, this country has presently been cursed with.

      preshen.govender.90 - 2012-10-03 08:04

      'don't buy e-Tag dont buy '

      boaz.yarmarkov - 2012-10-03 10:41

      Johannesburg - Government could go and start arresting 99% of Gauteng's residents because we aint paying for your mistakes. Arrest us all and than see how the 'arab spring' is not only exclusive to arab nations... we can and will be just as violent.

  • QuintSch - 2012-10-02 09:02

    I choose not to purchase the tags thanks.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-02 21:15

      In the same way as the Marikana miners have chosen this time to strike when the mines are on their knees to try and survive financially, so has the Government struck at the population when they are on their knees, trying to survive. Electricity has increased close to 300%. Rates and taxes close to 300%, price of petrol doubled. The present debt levels in the population are horrific. This is the time Government sees fit to hit the motorist with an extra R800 - R1200 toll tax. However they try and beat the public into submission by their greedy needs, economically e-tolling just has to fail. When you are faced with educating, clothing, feeding and housing your children, or passing this money on to Sanral, the final decision is a no brainer. When you have to finance and service your car to get to your life sustaining work, or for go all this and pay Sanral, the answer is a no brainer. I predict the Governments total arrogance and bullying the cash strapped citizen, can only result in complete humiliation and defeat for this bloodsucking, corrupt, billion rand luxury spending, incompetent, leaderless Government, which through the lamb like support from the masses, this country has presently been cursed with.

  • Donne.3 - 2012-10-02 09:03

    Ummmm, NO!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-02 17:24

      Ummm - also no!!!!!

  • clive.wannenburg - 2012-10-02 09:06

    Are they deaf, we are not going to get E-tolling discs and that is that and if you use bulling tactics beware we dont bite back.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2012-10-02 09:09

    E tOll?

  • lydonmcg - 2012-10-02 09:10

    Oh the naivety.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2012-10-02 09:11

    E tOll?\r\nDo we have to buy E-disc or E-tag? Lmao

  • camp.j - 2012-10-02 09:13

    I think these guys are missing the point, the public dont need "permission" to go and buy our discs. WE aren't paying!

  • ken.rowe.509 - 2012-10-02 09:13

    And you Ben Martins can jump in a lake, you arrogant fool.

  • sonia.bloem - 2012-10-02 09:14

    Let me think about it... mmm No sorry wont be buying one!!!!

      alan.gernet - 2012-10-02 10:19

      whaahaa - what took you so long to think about?

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-10-02 09:16

    The ANC Goverment is always right no matter what, look what happened to the road to Durban, the resident paid millions not to divert the road away from the small towns and they lost the case. The same will happen here one CANNOT FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT.

      jonathan.dutoit2 - 2012-10-02 09:44

      People shouldn't be afraid of their government, their government should be afraid of it's people

      colin.dovey - 2012-10-02 10:03

      That kind of thinking @Ingrid is what helps the ANC to jerk your chain - comply or else?

      paul.kershaw.18 - 2012-10-02 10:15

      Then just sit back and watch how it happens Ingrid. A Straightr out No from "the tax-paying people" will have the desired result.

      gary.bloom.967 - 2012-10-02 12:52

      Can't fight the government ingrid? If that was the case, then the tolling would of begun ages ago as they planned.

  • eugene.lategan - 2012-10-02 09:16

    To all the No-Backbone idiots who have e-tags, grow a pair. The rest of us don't care to buy e-tags, thanks for offering.

  • willem.wulfse - 2012-10-02 09:19

    Hope the 'go and get a tag' psychology fails. Unfortunately some sheep will go to the slaughter but hopefully this will be offset by the trade unions. The bottom line is, whose pockets are going to be lined if the whole thing goes ahead? The motorist will be paying R1.00 for the collection of R0.05, if the fiscus sees that much.

  • jt.thom.3 - 2012-10-02 09:30

    "Let's shoot 54 miners so we can pass e-Tolls while the public have something else to moan about" - South African Government

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-10-02 09:30

    Another bad PRO how can you encourage consumers to buy e-tags when the commission is still finding ways of raising alternative money or the commission is just there as a window dresser - Government and his spokespersons if its not Jackson Mthembu its Jimmy Manyi and now Ben Martins *angry*

  • David Guest - 2012-10-02 09:31

    you can suck my toll-E if u think i am buying a tag..

  • Michael - 2012-10-02 09:36

    Can we? Can we really? Oh yippity-doo!!! I can't wait! Kiss my cinnamon ring SANRAL, I will not buy a stupid tag.

  • AmuseMePLs - 2012-10-02 09:41

    ummmmmm no thanks. dnt think so!!!! aint no way im buying the damn thing!

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-10-02 09:42

    Listen all. You WILL pay. I said this a while ago. Your passing through the gates is on record. All they have to do is either slap it onto your tax return or refuse to renew your car license until you've paid up. That easy.

      mike.clery - 2012-10-02 09:53

      Even *if* that turns out to be the case, why make it easy? The way I understand it, if no-one buys tags, the system is unworkable.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-02 09:54

      There are only two things that I WILL do. I WILL die and I WILL have to take a dump. The rest is my choice, and the government will soon realise that the same goes for the rest of SA that has a backbone.

      dewalds3 - 2012-10-02 10:10

      Hehehe - I've got YOUR license plates on my vehicle dear embowled.lightpan - even on the round disk..

      Alan - 2012-10-02 10:23

      They still have to PROVE to me that I went through the tolls. I have a right as a consumer to know what I am paying for. Therefore they must send me a photo of MY car (not somebody else's with my number plates) going through the tolls. That is going to be a huge pile of photographs to post with my license renewal notice!

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-10-02 12:01

      No they cannot do either. Firstly this is not any form of tax, It is a transaction that takes place between the user of that road and SANRAL. Therefore they will not be able to ad it to your tax return. Even if they want to they cannot link it to your Licence, and refuse to renew it, it would be illegal. They cannot even refuse to renew your licence should you have outstanding speeding and parking tickets. according to our criminal procedure act, you are innocent until proven guilty. By refusing your licence until you pay your fines they take away your right to defend yourself in Court. They can for traffic offences issue you with summonses to court. As I understand it they will have to summons you for the money that you owe them. This will be an expensive process since they will have to make use of a sheriff of the court to deliver the summons in your hands. There are specific rules that has to be followed before a court would accept that it was delivered correctly. It will cost billions if they have to issue and deliver these to millions of people per month. I will boycott e-toll. Tax payers in South Africa are as it is paying far too much taxes as it is, money that only ends up in the pocket of some corrupt politician!!!!!

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-10-02 12:28

      You are way wrong bowman, for one, Sanral has no legal course to do that. There is already a court judgement barring AARTO from being used, they are not legally allowed to refuse you a license renewal. Theo is right, at present they have to go throught rhe same legal process as an ordinary debt, and there is even a Constitutional Court case regarding sending letters and summons through the post.....

  • Jaco Liza Venter - 2012-10-02 09:43

    I wont pay a cent so that the African Nasional Corrupsion can spend our money on parties and getting fatter and fatter or so that the money can get spend on JuJu campains.

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-10-02 09:45

    I am all of a sudden beginning to understand what I was fighting on several tours of the border. Lost a couple of real good friends...for this.

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-10-02 09:51

    Reporting a few weeks ago...\Unterhalter representing The Dept of Transport told the court that because of the interdict and the resulting lost fees, the government had been forced to allocate R270 million per month to the Gauteng freeway improvement project.\r\n\r\nThis money could instead have been used to fund education, health, infrastructure investment and poverty alleviation programmes....this comment just irks me because we all know that this money would not have been allocated to any of the above they are just trying to make us, the public, feel really bad if we don't start paying for E-Toll. This is really not our fault!!!

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-10-02 12:07

      This bill should be paid out of the pockets of the members of parliament who approved it. They should pay for their mistake not the taxpayers.

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-02 10:20

    Ben Martins, Suck my etollie long & hard..............that's all you'll get from me you parasite. No to etolling & the anc corruption.

  • luan.evert - 2012-10-02 10:25

    Ha Ha Ha!!! "Consumers could go and buy their e-toll discs" yeah, I could also spend my money on drugs, either seem like a really bad idea!!!

  • john.dough.5836711 - 2012-10-02 10:26

    They can get knotted...I refuse!

  • ringo.fung.54 - 2012-10-02 10:31

    make the taxis pay then i will pay,why must we be prejudiced!!

      JAbu.R15 - 2012-10-02 10:48

      The reason why the taxis are not paying is because the strategic corrupt governemnt saw that if taxis have to pay then there will be war, so they excluded taxis just to make sure that whatever resistance they get is minimal. mind you taxis dont even pay tax from the profit they make. I also say hell no!!!

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-10-02 12:31

      Well, until legislation is passed in parliament, no one is exempt, the fools didnt even get this right, so if they implement tomorrow, everyone must pay, then wtach the poop hit the fan

  • pieter.kunz - 2012-10-02 10:39

    What about... No....

  • Herman Schutte - 2012-10-02 11:02

    ek wil net graag weet hoe gaan dit werk met ons wat nie in Gauteng bly nie....en wat van al die mense wat karre huur???

  • bullardx - 2012-10-02 11:08

    lol... blow me:p take me to court.. but ikm still not registerin or paying.

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-02 11:11

    Expect the 'mother of all protests'. What the authorities have failed to realise is that the tax payer is absolutely gatvol of just forking out money, particularly when the fortune (his pound of flesh plus VAT) he has already paid has been used, abused and stolen at a rate that is an absolute discrace to any form of human kind, never mind the freedom fighting 'heroes' of the masses. This government is failing to publicly recognise the severity of the crisis in fiscal discipline. A new monster will be born soon and is set to devour a fragile peace.

      colin.langley - 2012-10-02 14:08

      Right on brother....

  • makavelithedonkilluminati.shakur - 2012-10-02 11:29

    4sure zuma and his wives are so damn happy.

  • allan.m.levitt - 2012-10-02 12:16

    just a thought. People that bought e-tags (now disc!!) were given a discount on the toll fees. Right! How come there is no display on the boards for "normal" toll fees, only discounted fees. CORRUPTION here we come. NO TO E-TOLLS!!!!

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-10-02 12:23

    mr. martins, you cannot come here with your foot foot tendencies and tell us what to do, go ask mr.manyi - WE WONT BUY e-toll full stop.

  • anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-02 12:24

    What happened to the fuel levy option? And we still haven't seen any transparency on the tender documents and processes. Yes, Minister Ben Martins can rush out urgently to get his e-tag, to show what a good boy he is. The govt. seems to be very hard of hearing lately: I W I L L N O T B U Y A N E-TAG, N E V E R.

  • jason.rom.9 - 2012-10-02 16:49

    boo!!! you can buy for us and pay for it you lazy bastard

  • dericslab - 2012-10-02 17:29

    Screw you Ben Martins!

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-10-02 17:47

    I wont ever purchase an e-toll disc. I will ride the freeways when i have to and they can bill me via my po Box.

  • freddy.vanwijk - 2012-10-02 19:14

    Ben Martins what on earth did you smoke? a. Dagga. B. Pot. C. Marjuana. D. Nyope. E. Crack. F. Hashshish. G. Gunston. H. Cannibis. I. All of the above and much more.

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-10-02 19:28

    Tsek !! I ain't buying ish!! Find me first!

  • Jason - 2012-10-02 20:37

    To all those who are so brazenly refusing to comply: I understand your utter frustration and feel your pain, but my advice is to start saving money for bail, because enforcement road blocks will be the next step.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-10-03 06:44

    Ben Martins, do you for one moment think your stupid meeting will be the begin and end of this story? You have forgotten that we still have tax boycot, slowdown, non complaiance, and the demolishment of gantrys at our disposal, and then lets not forget total cival disobedience to boicot this nonsense THIS IS NOT OVER TILL US THE TAXPAYERS IN THIS COUNTRY SAYS IT'S OVER

  • hein.huyser - 2012-10-03 08:24

    If this sad lot can give the SAA R5billion they can pay for the roads as well. SAAshould've closed down long ago if that was a private business entity. They, like Telkom and Escom have no right to existance. If they do not make it e the private industry they must close doors and be sold to the highest bidder.

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