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E-toll details must be made public - Outa

2012-10-15 08:32

Johannesburg - The details of the electronic toll collection contract (ETC) should not be kept confidential, the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) said on Monday.

"It shouldn't be confidential. It is taxpayers' money that is being used to pay the tolls so the taxpayer should know what the money is being used for," said Outa chairperson Wayne Duvenage.

But there was nothing he could do about it, after Outa agreed to sign a confidentiality agreement, said Duvenage.

He said that was the only way Outa would have been able to get access to the ETC contract to prepare for its court case.

Duvenage was responding to a report in The Star newspaper on Monday that parts of the high court review of the project in November could be held in camera because of the confidentiality agreement.

This meant that taxpayers may never know the full agreements, pricing and subcontracts surrounding e-tolling.

Last month, the Constitutional Court overturned an interim order which had put a hold on the Gauteng e-tolling project.

During the case, the legal team representing the SA National Roads Agency (Sanral) had made selective references to the ETC contract which Outa had not seen.

"Now imagine a court case for them to use the contract even though we had not seen it," said Duvenage.

"We needed to see them...so we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement to see it."

The Constitutional Court found that the High Court in Pretoria had not considered the separation of powers between the high court and executive.

In April, the High Court granted Outa the interdict, ruling that a full review needed to be carried out before electronic tolling could be put into effect.

The interdict prevented Sanral from levying or collecting e-tolls pending the outcome of the review.

Sanral and National Treasury appealed against the court order, and said delays prevented the payment of the R21bn incurred in building gantries.

The review was expected take place in the High Court in Pretoria on November 26.


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Comments
  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-15 08:43

    Unless we get the inevitable leak, I dont think we will ever find out who gets how much.

      alan.gernet - 2012-10-15 09:24

      Point is - why does Sanral want to keep it confidential unless there are kickbacks and corruption???? If it is all above board, there should be nothing to hide.

      mlucejko - 2012-10-15 09:55

      To all those that Voted ANC !! Surely by now you can see what a "Stupid mistake you made" ???

      Thabopt - 2012-10-15 10:40

      Mluce. Eish dont say. I cant believe I voted for this bloody agents. I cant wait for the next elections.\r\nThis whole gov s**ks.

  • theo.martinez.980 - 2012-10-15 08:44

    Has SANRAL and the government ANY honest and logical reason to keep this e-toll deal a secret? It's obvious it stinks, why else keeping it hidden from public scrutiny? The government has really become a maffia: Nkandla, e-toll, information bill,....

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-15 09:34

      Indeed. Mafioso (including Colombians, Mexicans and Sicilians) already moving here. Apparently the money's good!

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-15 08:46

    Do not buy etags. The cancer can go and get stuffed!

      Johannes - 2012-10-15 08:57

      I will never register for this!

      Thabopt - 2012-10-15 09:31

      me 2!!!

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-10-15 09:05

    Right my chinas we managed to hold it off for 5 mins now lets bring down SANRAL. if the miners can screw SA we the drivers can Bring down SANRAL. only one problem...... will you all stick together on this one?????

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-15 09:35

      No problem. Let us have industrial angle grinders. Let's take 'em gantries down. (Eish, if only Cosatu would threaten the ANC with their vote... but they'll be too damn scared the DA takes this province if they do).

      rodney.overes - 2012-10-15 10:05

      LETS HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE WILL FIGHT FOR THERE RIGHTS

  • aspruyt - 2012-10-15 09:07

    They wont get anything if you don't get tagged and refuse to pay...

  • Neil Alberts - 2012-10-15 09:07

    The government, sanrail and all the corrupt persons who stand to benefit from this deal can forget to see me paying!!! i will not sacrifice my hard earned money to fraud and corruption!! I am with COSATU ON THIS ONE!!!! no to tolls!!!

  • customdesign - 2012-10-15 09:09

    21 Billion to build toll gantries??

      alan.gernet - 2012-10-15 09:25

      apparently the next Gantry has already been named the NkandlaGate Gantry

      michele.holmes.1238 - 2012-10-15 13:27

      That is a rather large amount of money for a few gantries.... 200 million for the gantries, and the rest into some fat back pocket?

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-16 09:02

      Michelle ..not some back pockets....many back pockets..

  • chiepner - 2012-10-15 09:09

    Will not register untill a indapendant (not a government appointed committee) full forensic audit has been done on the entire system from A to Z. Something stank from the very beginning with this project and SANRAL and Governments secrecy over the entire TAX PAYERS contract smacks of self enrichment, corruption and nepotism.

      raymond.molapo - 2012-10-15 09:16

      Because they scanning us,u pass there and they sees everything

  • raymond.molapo - 2012-10-15 09:11

    They keep it secrete because they both liars,we as south african we have right to know. Why will Government allow the e-toll to be build and know they can't function? Ask yourself that Question again...... Our Government is not mad,it can't make something without the reasons,or is it? Wasting electricity for nothing because those thing they are working at night,we see same funny lights there wasting electric for what? Those e-toll they are made for..........

  • lostwithinsanity - 2012-10-15 09:12

    The reason why the details are not being displayed to the public is because they have something to hide it's quite obvious. People should burn the gates down!!

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-10-15 09:13

    To all those who say that they wont pay etc. it has already been organised that Debt collecting companies will be on stand bye. and their fees go on top of what you owe and interest. so i dont think that that is clever we need to stick together and bring SANRAL to its Knees, end of.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-10-15 09:39

      Except it's in violation of the National Credit Act. They haven't conducted a SINGLE assessment on a SINGLE driver to assess whether they could afford extra debt. I.e, it's reckless credit. They could argue that (1) you already drive (own) a car; (2) you shouldn't use the roads if you can't afford it. Counter: (1) Doesn't prove no jack you can afford extra credit - since you may just have R600 spare after paying all your other loans. (2) Not unless and until they actually fulfill their mandate of PROVIDING and MAINTAINING alternate routes and/or provide SAFE, AFFORDABLE and RELIABLE public transport (the taxis of course which DON'T qualify).

      SarelJBotha - 2012-10-15 10:31

      Pay with 5c coins or the smallest coins you can find...and dig around a bit looking for the coins before you pay. Make it a complete waste of time for them at every single tollgate.

      anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-15 13:50

      @SJ: NB.You don't pay AT the toll-gates...however if you DO get an invoice 1st throw it away, let them send it again, throw it away, then let them send it by registered mail the 4th time and THEN go and pay with 5c coins, if you really still want to pay.

  • stefan.vanrensburg.94 - 2012-10-15 09:13

    In modesty: I never signed such a confidentiality agreement and neither did other tax payers. Small comfort, but keep it in mind.

  • basie.pretorius - 2012-10-15 09:16

    FCK E-Troll sanral and this whole anc government I WONT PAY

      pieter.calitz - 2012-10-15 11:24

      @basie-pretorius I do not think that everybody in the anc goverment is in on the take. Probably only a part of the cabinet or maybe the whole cabinet. You know they are creaming only R20 billion in 20 years. No much if you still have to pay the Austrians too.

  • Vince.York - 2012-10-15 09:42

    This oppressive 'anc' regime HAS to operate in secrecy or face the inevitable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NdjtiqR-sw

  • ian.d.samson - 2012-10-15 09:58

    NO INFO = NO PAYMENT

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-15 12:36

      No, even with info, NO PAYMENT!

  • camp.j - 2012-10-15 10:00

    Corrupt and rotten to the core! What next ANC?

  • Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-10-15 10:15

    Since aquiring goods illegally is the way of SA eg copper cables- let us start a new fashion: Stealing toll gate scanners :)

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-10-15 10:25

    If these evil people ever do go ahead with these unlawful tolls, I suggest we all pay in 5c coins, which they have to accept. Simply put it will make it not worth there effort to collect. This would be the best form of peaceful revolt. As far as I can see, the Concourt has yet again gone right against the wishes of the people, thus against exactly those who the constitution is suppose to defend.

  • Gill McCain - 2012-10-15 10:29

    Come on you whistleblowers - where are you? Someone out there knows who is benefitting from this scandal - a Zuma by any chance?

  • John - 2012-10-15 11:26

    I suspect that making the details of the contract known will put JZ(and a number of other "menestas" at risk!) thus making this a prime example of why the ANC pushing for the secrecy bill! Eish..the masses could attack JZ's new compound in Nkandla.

  • sisie.indola - 2012-10-15 12:50

    If you want to keep this secretive then that means there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

  • anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-15 13:35

    This is yet another reason NOT to buy an e-tag. If you do then you will be supporting corruption and secrecy. As it's the TAXpayer's money there should be no secret underhanded deals, the only sector where confidentiality agreements could possibly be required is the airforce, navy and defence force (due to sensitive technical data, sharing of classified resources etc.) SANRAL projects shouldn't be able to qualify for such confidentiality agreements, there is no technical or engineering justification for it. The only reason left then is secret kickbacks and shady deals, which in this case already has a considerable stink to it. So NO. I WON'T be supporting corrupt deals, on which we, the taxpayer were never consulted in the first place. We know the fuel-levy is an unpopular option with SANRAL as these shady short-term cash-making cows will then have to be scrapped. And if I was Pravin Gordhan or SANRAL I would think extremely carefully what to say next without appearing dishonest and hypocrytical - AGAIN. Time for someone to leak all the info onto a torrent site or Wikileaks.

  • robes.spear - 2012-10-15 13:46

    Nazi-Ali, Gecko-Gordhan and Money-Motlanthe have no credibility and the ANC with them. If the SANRAL contract is above board then let us see it. It is hard to see how anyone with an ounce of credibility would want to be associated with the levels of corruption the ANC is condoning. Armsgate, Travelgate, On-point Engineering, Nkandlagate, Hitachi and Chancellor House, the list is endless. The SANRAL thievery will strangle our country. Cry you people of South Africa. Forget your differences from apartheid and unite. The ANC must be removed from power by any means possible.

  • henk.jacobs.146 - 2012-10-15 17:14

    Jeez people, this is amazing. The government partnered with a private contractor to build roads with our money and our labor and then we have to pay for the incredible privilege to use those roads. So how many times do we want to pay for these roads. There is a word for this--- Who is willing to guess what that word is??? ----Fascism!

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