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E-tags make economic sense - Treasury

2012-04-13 09:33

Johannesburg - Motorists do not have to buy e-tags to use Gauteng's toll roads, but it makes economic sense to do so, Treasury director general Lungisa Fuzile said on Friday.

"Whilst it makes economic sense from the individual road user's point of view to buy the e-tags to save, you don't have to have a tag to use the road," he said at the Reuters economist of the year business briefing in Johannesburg.

"Therefore Sanral (the SA National Roads Agency Limited) does not need you to have a tag in order to track the person down and deliver the bill relating to the use of the road," he said.

Motorists will have to pay to use major highways around Johannesburg and Tshwane from April 30, with payment through an automated number-plate reading system.

A recent march by the Congress of SA Trade Unions highlighted opposition to the tolls, with many motorists threatening not to pay.

Asked whether the Treasury had a contingency plan, Fuzile said road users were getting a good deal.

The roads were good and, at last check, around 200 000 people had registered for an e-tag.

"We are convinced that this is actually a good deal, and therefore it doesn't require a contingency. Plan A is Plan B and vice versa."

It was cheaper for both Sanral and the road user to get a tag.

Payment options for the tolls include having fees deducted from credit card accounts, with top-up thresholds set by account holders, or by pre-paying and topping up e-tags.

Visitors could register for day passes and unregistered users would be invoiced with a due date for payment.

 

Comments
  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-04-13 09:40

    You know what else makes economic sense? Not buying the etag. The thing costs like what, R150 bucks or more? I dont get one, i save money...I WIN!!

      Christopher - 2012-04-13 10:15

      So people, do not buy them then! and false number plates are on the way!!

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-04-13 10:22

      It makes sense to them as their pension fund depends on it. I WILL NOT BUY an e-TAG !!!!

      Nina - 2012-04-13 10:23

      There is no "nice" way of convincing me to buy a tag. The mere fact that you did not consult us, and then ignore that we are not happy with it goes to show how much regard you have for us. So NO e-tag for me and millions of other motorists. Yall are very arrogant!!

      Zing - 2012-04-13 10:32

      That's the gist of it Nina. There would not have been this much resistance if the process had been transparent from the start. DON'T BUY AN E-TAG!

      Vaughan - 2012-04-13 10:36

      Just have to add, don't pay when they send you invoices. Now that makes economic sense!!

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-13 10:37

      I am a prisoner in the supposedly free county! I feel like a cow at an abattoir. The sad story is people will still vote the ANC. The sad story is this is not the end as every year the price is gonna go up by 10%. When is fuel levy gonna stop going up so much. why is it even going up every year?? I feel like a cow at an abattoir.

      Colin - 2012-04-13 10:53

      I HAVE to travel for just 19,2 Km a day on the Highway every day - and in the process go through 3 gantries = R7 X 3 X 25 = R525 per month for e-Tolling - PLUS Higher Fuel costs......

      Alan - 2012-04-13 11:46

      My mom was advised by the AA not to register or get an E-Tag before the court case against SANRAL has been heard at the end of the month. Ok - there is the truth ... waiting for NEWS24 to delete it after a SANRAL objection.

      NrGx - 2012-04-13 13:19

      I have to admit, I do agree that the e-tag would make economical sense IF the entire system didnt stink of totalitarianism, corruption, insider trading trading etc. So in short, saving a few cents on a ridiculous cost, in my mind, does NOT make economical sense. DOWN WITH THE TOLLS - DOWN WITH ANC

      cwboshoff - 2012-04-13 14:10

      You don't pay for the e-tag, you pay a R50 when you register, but that amount goes straight into your topup account, meaning you prepaid 50 bucks, so actually you get the e-tag for free, they're still schnaiing us on the cost for each gate though, but it's better to have the e-tag and to pay R3 than not have it and pay R18.

      Piet - 2012-04-13 14:13

      cwboshoff so you are prepared to pay! TRAITOR!!!!!

      cwboshoff - 2012-04-13 14:21

      Yeah, I already have my E-Tag, I'm not happy about it, but it's like I said, I'd rather pay +-R3 than +-R18. And if you don't pay they will take legal action against you, sure it's gonna cost a lot of money for SANRAL to sue everyone, I'm just one of those people that prefer not getting sued.

      Nina - 2012-04-13 14:36

      @cwboshoff: I will not even pay 1 cent. Its sad that they have managed to convince you with "the discount theory". R3 vs R18...you shouldnt be paying that R3 in the first place, its that simple.

      llmapuma - 2012-04-13 14:40

      Kiss my car's rear end, Sanral!!

      cwboshoff - 2012-04-13 15:03

      @Nina, I decided to get an e-tag long before I knew what they were gonna charge people who have the e-tag and those who don't, I'm not actually 100% sure what they are going to charge people who don't have the e-tag, the spreadsheet they showed me indicated people who aren't registered will pay around R18 per gate, but who knows what the truth is, right? I'm happy with my choice, and I welcome any legal action that anyone wants to take against SANRAL for the e-tolling system, but that action will take years to sort out, in the meantime they will blacklist people for not paying (or at least I think that's what they are gonna do with people that don't pay), on the bright side, if people get blacklisted, maybe our credit problems might get solved, haha :)

      Piet - 2012-04-13 15:12

      , I'm just one of those people that prefer not getting sued. No you are lame and do not have a spine!

      cwboshoff - 2012-04-16 08:36

      haha, that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it, just as I'm allowed to have mine :)

  • Kraken - 2012-04-13 09:40

    DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG. No e-tags = epic admin = eventual scrapping toll system. DO NOT BUY AN E-TAG

      Marius - 2012-04-13 14:47

      Just have to ask - what do one do if after say 6 months we dont pay and then i get black listed ??? Meaning now i wont be able to open an acount because of my e-tag non-payments???

      Kraken - 2012-04-13 15:57

      They are not an authorized financial services provider. So they cannot blacklist you. They don't even have solid grounds for sending us any kind of fine or punishment if we don't pay.

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-04-13 16:17

      what I don't understand is what legal grounds do they have to charge me in the first place? THe

      Marius - 2012-04-13 17:51

      Thanks for the reply Kraken.

      Sheik - 2012-04-13 18:56

      Marius can you really see the Gauteng economy surviving a total wide spread blacklisting. They never did their homework in this one. They'll be forced to supply new public transport. My money's is on the ANC losing votes, then dropping tolls to stay in power. Power is all they really want to get to the tax payers money into their private pockets.

  • Leon - 2012-04-13 09:44

    for me to use my motorcycle and my car means i have to buy two tags on a single account. ripoff

      George - 2012-04-13 17:09

      Yes Virginia (sorry Leon). The depth of thinking that went into SCAMRAL is truly amazing. The only thing holding the mad coterie together is the prospect of unearned money rolling in..DON'T GET AN E-TAG.

  • shane.erlank - 2012-04-13 09:46

    Shame on the 300 000 plus people who have already registered, i WILL NOT be registering and will use you bills to wallpaper my office, trying to justify this blatant extortion by having everyone come on board and 'endorsing' the pro's of the e-tolls just makes me more determined not to pay

      Kraken - 2012-04-13 09:52

      That number has been cooked. I highly doubt that the number even exceeds 50000. They needed to ensure gullible citizens that they won't be the only fools who buy e-tags, so they made up the magic "300 000" registered users.

      Christopher - 2012-04-13 10:16

      Its the government officials that have bought the e tags.

      Zing - 2012-04-13 10:34

      What you mean is: The government bought e-tags for the officials with our tax money.

      Rob - 2012-04-13 10:44

      Where do you guys get 300 000?? The article says 200 000!! Weird.

      Roger - 2012-04-13 10:54

      Sorry old chap you missed the important missinformation .The number of idiots said to have purchased e-tags has been reduced to 200,000 Go back to 1984 and reread it if you can find a copy of the book.

      Kraken - 2012-04-13 10:57

      I have heard 300k on the Radio multiple times. But now that you mention it, I remember hearing 200k as well. Maybe they haven't made up their minds on which figure sounds more believable.

      Colin - 2012-04-13 11:07

      If you want a feel of how FEW people have bought an E-Tag, just look at the windscreen mirror level of any car in a parking lot....I have not seen ONE!!!!!!!

      Rob - 2012-04-13 11:12

      Yeah, I would be inclined to believe the 200K one. The original quote was just bloated to make the number look better.

      Press - 2012-04-13 17:28

      Would it be a good idea to insert a friendly dent in cars that displays an e-tag - as we walk bye . . . ?

  • garth.j.cargin - 2012-04-13 09:46

    Does anyone know anybody that has bought one ? I dont

      Sargon - 2012-04-13 09:51

      324 k according to yesterdays report. 190 k gov vehicles 74 k Sanral investor vehicles (60k of which are in Austria) 55 998 k made up to look better vehicles (Numbers found on scrapheap) 1 the guy who yesterday fessed up to buying one 1 guy from the Freestate Hope me math is correct.

      Zing - 2012-04-13 10:34

      If I knew someone who'd bought one, I would definitely smack him!

      Keith - 2012-04-14 05:55

      Sargon, I'm not the guy from the Free State, and fortunately I don't travel to Pretoria, but the road between Bloemfontein & Ladybrand is being turned into a super highway, and I have no doubt that next time I go to Bloem I'll find a toll booth, with gantries to follow if they work well in the Transvaal. Meantime, may I mention that Mathematics contracts to Maths despite what Microsoft tells you.

  • faerrab - 2012-04-13 09:47

    No E-Tag means that you do not benefit from discounts. In any event I refuse to pay E-TOLLS.

      Zing - 2012-04-13 10:36

      Funny how they say e-tag gets a discount, when the price of the e-tag hasn't gone down. Only the price for non-registration has gone up. Someone should be taking SANRAL to court for this.

      llmapuma - 2012-04-13 14:28

      faerrab, if you are a daily user of multiple gantry roads all that e-tags will do is mean you get to the monthly cap of R550 later than you would without the e-tag.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-13 15:10

      They want access to your bank account, no way would I register either.

  • craig.gwasira - 2012-04-13 09:47

    It makes economic sense to limit spending on luxurious vehicles for top civil servants and use the revenues from tax and fuel levies to expand other roads and not free ways only. For a change we need efficient alternative routes to various destinations

  • shawnbrownphoto - 2012-04-13 09:48

    the only ones that the e-tag makes economic sense for is the people who's pockets its wanting to line..no to e-tags and no to Tolling on the Highways around Joburg!

  • IAnon - 2012-04-13 09:49

    E-Tag = Automated Rip-Off

      Piet - 2012-04-13 14:14

      Etag = Dompass!

  • Judith - 2012-04-13 09:52

    Has the man actually driven on these appalling roads? The tar is lifting, storm water drains mostly don't and flood out suburbs when they do,plus markings are erratic and dangerous. Not buying an e-tag

  • Konstabel - 2012-04-13 09:55

    E-tolling only makes perfect ecomomic sense for the AUSTRIAN economy. E-tolling is an unnecessary drain on SA's economy. So if you are a patriot don't get an e-Tag and let this system fail. SANRAL should go bust so that a new body can be formed as the incompetent idiots running SANRAL have made a monumental stuff-up which is has cost the country billions!

  • Graham - 2012-04-13 09:56

    Pure extortion! How many more reasons do you need not to vote ANC?

  • Gregory - 2012-04-13 10:00

    Lungisa . Screw u and ur e tag. You are opening a can of worms. See you in court . I plead poverty .

  • Chantelle Barnard - 2012-04-13 10:07

    How long are they going to harp on this issue before they realise that all they are doing is giving us all a cause that will unite us against them? How stupid can you get???

  • wesleywt - 2012-04-13 10:08

    Don't buy an ANC Tag!

  • wesleywt - 2012-04-13 10:08

    OK then so lets have the rest of the motorists take off the License plates and disc (which I plan on doing when driving the highway) and IF by some small miracle I do get pulled over I'd rather pay the police fine (knowingly that money stays in South Africa) then pay SCAMRAL. Just my 2 cents

  • alexander.lombard - 2012-04-13 10:08

    The figure is probably made up of transport companies registering their vehicles. The transport industry does not have the luxury of protest. Most of the big operators with thousands of vehicles have already complied. I think suvilian complience is closer to a couple of thousand at most.

  • Gregory - 2012-04-13 10:11

    Get covered by GhostPlates Super Protector number plate covers which are designed to protect your vehicle licence plate from cameras that are aimed at your number plate from various side angles.The Super Protector license plate cover \silver ghosting\ effect cover half the number plate making identification impossible.

      zipho500 - 2012-04-13 10:14

      I want it...where can i get one Greg?

      Gregory - 2012-04-13 10:37

      Can be ordered online check out Ghostplates.com , they have they have a South African plate size cover.

  • Philip - 2012-04-13 10:12

    no no no no no no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

  • Warwick - 2012-04-13 10:14

    Goodness, this one is dumber than the rest. We do not get tagged as a form of protest. We say no more to unfair taxes. Up yers sanral & anc.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-04-13 10:16

    Dear officials. Please try understand you have waisted all your money and time trying to rip us off slowly. You think you clever but we are the force (people of the country) we don't Need to fight we need to ignore you. Go to hell slowly.

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-04-13 13:32

      kind of south african peoples money...they didn't bring any moola to the table...neanderthals!

  • Ivan - 2012-04-13 10:16

    It makes more economic sense not to have to pay the toll in the first place. What a bunch of thieves.

  • Singatha - 2012-04-13 10:19

    So says the Tax collector.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-04-13 10:19

    I'm proud of south Africans. Stand up for the rights you fought so hard. Don't fight just ignore the mindless.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-04-13 10:22

    Attention all Sanral / ANC mamparras... READ MY LIPS!! No e-tags!! Send account!! Look Listen & Learn!!

  • Bzeng - 2012-04-13 10:23

    ok best way to use etoll roads free is by driving a car without a number plate..

      Zing - 2012-04-13 11:16

      Rumour has it they will be reading your license disc, not your number plate. Rumour has it also that it's not working :)

      Hugh - 2012-04-16 14:26

      They cant read the licence discs, too small and the gantries cameras arnt designed for that. Numberplate recognition it what they hope to achieve. Well Ive a few surprises for them there.

  • carl.tesselaar - 2012-04-13 10:24

    number plate flipper... and you can bye them online, the bonus is they work on both bikes and cars. how they gona track you if they cant read your plates ..... lol

      Dirk - 2012-04-13 14:12

      haaaaahaaaahaaaaaa. Number plate flipper!!!!

      Hugh - 2012-04-16 14:26

      busy with mine.

  • Sargon - 2012-04-13 10:25

    This ANC led government are the thickest bunch of clowns in the world. It thinks that we South Africans are too stupid to realise that we already pay for the roads vis an ever increasing fuel levy. We will not pay for these tolls ever. Enough is enough of the ANC led government fleecing taxpayers and looting the state coffers to emhance their greedy avaricious lifestyles.

      frank.hartry - 2012-04-13 10:28

      Well said.

  • LULu - 2012-04-13 10:25

    Just snd me the invoice then, goodluck finding me.

  • darryn.dauth - 2012-04-13 10:26

    I actually saw lines of people registering at Brightwater commons... So you do get STUPID people afterall. And most of them were affluent business-looking people. Really? No solidarity amongst people nowadays. Wonder what they will do to us if we dont pay these bills within the limit... Jailtime? Fines?

      Hugh - 2012-04-16 14:28

      people will always capitulate, the spineless the weak and those tendertropenures that have skimmed the pot.

  • bretton.eveleigh - 2012-04-13 10:26

    200 000? SANRAL has probably forced all gov/council vehicles to have e-tags, that would account for 199000 for the sold e-tags... it's easy to tweak stats that way! NO TO E-TAG CORRUPTION! VIVA NO E-TAGS!

      Kuno - 2012-04-13 10:53

      the sad story is that the gov car e-tags have been paid with our tax money, and we taxpayers pay the e-tolls for the gov trolls. enough is enough.

  • customdesign - 2012-04-13 10:27

    How much are they paying news 24 for advertising?

  • wesleywt - 2012-04-13 10:29

    When toll roads were first introduced the prerquisite was that alternative routes will be available and maintained in good condition. They also undertook to upgrade public transport systems......We were all lied to on both counts and now again another e-toll debacle. TO HELL WITH THEIR E-TAGS

      llmapuma - 2012-04-13 14:32

      At a resident's association meeting in Midrand about a year ago, SANRAL was asked this question. The official answer to whether alternate routes would be kept in good condition was 'how valuable is your time'. They are counting on us to be the apathetic consumers we have thus far proven to be. It is time to no longer be apathetic consumers.

  • nhla.prv - 2012-04-13 10:34

    For me Not Paying Makes Economic Sense as well!

      Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-13 11:23

      Well said

  • Greg - 2012-04-13 10:36

    Just don't use the roads that are tolled, that makes economic sense.

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-13 10:39

    It also makes economic sense to rob a bank, if you can get away with it ..

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-13 15:22

      The government hates competition,stop robbing banks.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-04-13 10:39

    Oh they are really really trying to get people to pay. Simple solution some black or white electrical tape to cover certain bits of your number plate. Even better would be is to destroy those cash cows on the \FREE\way.

  • clinton.bowden1 - 2012-04-13 10:44

    mr lungisa fuzile Notice your name in lower case that should say something to you. If you wish to discuss economic sense then I would suggest look in your own backyard. Economic sense would be when someone is found guilty of corruption, they are held to that, sent to prison to pay their debt to society and that a message is sent that crime does not pay. Also the money that they stole should be recovered and I don't care if the guy has to clean toilets with his toothbrush at R4/hour doing so paying back the amount his stolen, maybe then he will learn about an honest living. Economic Sense would be more service delivery and no mercedes S-class, BMW, Land-Rover vehicles then you don't have to explain there is no money when it comes to keeping your promise of service delivery. Economic sense is saying looking at the AG's report on R20bn stolen through Fraud, corruption ( by goverment departments ) and then understanding why tax payers upset about paying another R20bn in additional tax system that for the main part will only benefit the stake holders and foreign firm ? Economic sense would be understanding that people will now be forced to make hard decisions and saying to their domestics, sorry I can't pay you any more, no more job. It means business in Gauteng will no longer be econimically competitive and could lead to business moving, smaller business will might have to close down and add to unemployment. Not that I am trying to tell u how to do your job !!

      Alan - 2012-04-13 10:58

      I second that!

      butch.poulter - 2012-04-13 11:04

      Clinton for president

      Roger - 2012-04-13 12:19

      You are welcome to become a refugee in W.C. We saw the light early enough an said no chancers here

      Luviwe - 2012-04-13 13:33

      Well said.

  • cassblack - 2012-04-13 11:02

    I read this ... It's simple, I don't see why anyone is complaining. It says bend over, it's not gonna hurt a bit. It's in your best interest.

  • brett.macdonald1 - 2012-04-13 11:02

    No, what makes sense is for treasury to take just 2% (R20b) of our annual national budget of R1 trillion, pay for it and get it over with once and for all! No e-Tolling...

  • Noelle - 2012-04-13 11:22

    Take, take, take oh and take, never give!

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-13 11:26

    I don't see why the public has to pay for your mistakes use the tax money to fix this problem not build houses and buy cars for your self's

  • Ricky Naidoo - 2012-04-13 11:31

    Yeh right, Mr Treasury Director like we not paying enough to our thieving government. It makes sense to you because you're one of those stealing from the poor.

  • Rob - 2012-04-13 11:31

    Economic sense is to turn the Toll roads into white elephants like the stadiums. Enough pressure, and the Govt will have to back down. I prefer to rather feed my kids than to spend a dime on toll roads, even if it inconveniences me till the Govt backs down. There is so much opposition to unfair tolling, SANRAl and the Govt have their backs to the wall here.

      Frances - 2012-04-13 18:34

      white elephant? i will pay of my own pocket to tear them down. thats a better way to spend my money i think.

  • mheystek - 2012-04-13 11:31

    Lets just go bash down ALL the gantries? We need a good old fashioned '80s riot

  • Muhammad - 2012-04-13 11:33

    \taxes are justified only when they are collected justly n legally n they r spent justly n legally\ Umar bin Khattab

  • carl.tesselaar - 2012-04-13 11:37

    We all know and except that all governments have got a degree of corruption, but the ANC has redefined and reinvented this concept. and the way they have done it and made people believe that its an executable and reasonable cost is just ridiculous. hold on a sec... not every one thinks this ..... most people who believe this has a lower IQ then a grade 1 student .... yes that there loyal supporters.... you know the lot that burns down the new schools... yes that bunch of hooligans.... my point here is that the majority of us who has had a EDUCATION are looking at this and saying hold on.... this is unfair and unjust. we are expected to pay for your screw up.... hell no.....

  • John - 2012-04-13 11:54

    What is it that Sanral dont get? you can shove your e-tag where the sun never shines, I WILL NOT get one, ever

  • LULu - 2012-04-13 12:01

    And it makes common sense nt to register

  • Riaan - 2012-04-13 12:32

    These idiots clearly didn't do maths at school so as to see what devastating effect the e-tolls will have on our economy in the medium to long term!

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