Fin24

BMF rallies others to follow Woolworths

2012-09-09 16:23

Johannesburg - The Black Management Forum (BMF) supports Woolworths' efforts to achieve employment equity, it said on Sunday.

"We support the employment equity steps taken by Woolworths, particularly at management level, where there is under-representation of black people," the BMF said in a statement.

"Seeking equitable representation is one of the key ways in which South Africa can address economic transformation."

The forum said the constitutional imperative of employment equity was neither racist nor discriminatory, as it merely was trying to correct what was wrongfully done in the past.

"We call upon all business institutions... (to) rally against that which might be precipitated by irresponsible calls by AfriForum and Solidarity," the BMF said.

Trade union Solidarity announced a campaign on Wednesday to force Woolworths to retract job advertisements it believed discriminated against whites.

Solidarity deputy general secretary Dirk Hermann said the company had failed to retract advertisements for posts for which only black candidates would be considered, despite the union raising concerns about this on Tuesday.

Woolworths responded at the time and defended its employment policy again in prominent advertisements placed in Sunday newspapers.

In advertisements published in the City Press, Rapport and Sunday Times newspapers, the company said it did employ white people, contrary to media reports stating otherwise.

"Over the past few days, many things have been said about our recruitment practises - specifically, that we don't employ white people. That is simply not true.

"Woolworths does employ white people. We employ women and men of all races - white, black, coloured, Indian, as well as people with disabilities, and we will continue to do so."

It said there were certain areas of its business which were seriously under-represented.

It was in these areas that Woolworths was looking for candidates from certain groups.

"Because like all of South Africa's major companies, we're committed to transformation," it said.


*Follow Fin24 on TwitterFacebookGoogle+ and Pinterest.  

Comments
  • mikenortje - 2012-09-09 16:37

    Thats cool BMF rally some customers as well, AA / BEE is racist no matter how you spin it.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-09 17:19

      I must say, I'm super proud of myself, I have not been inside any WW, bought nothing since this nonsense started. I spend average R200 - R300 p/d at WW so the challenge was on... It was do-able, found lovely new shops to shop at, new butcher - very friendly, new green crocer just as friendly. I will spend my 'white money' very wisely in future. C'mon people, if I can do it, we can all do this. (Takes a bit of time... but worth it at the end) We can make WWorths, WWorthless...

      tw2066 - 2012-09-09 18:04

      The BMF organisation is - like Woolworths - exclusionist, as it only accepts blacks. If Woolies want any redemption, they would distance themselves from politics, but profits say otherwise, that and poor leadership under pressure, I too have not spent a cent in the last week with Woolies.

      christiaan.oosthuizen.568 - 2012-09-09 20:34

      told my wife that if she spends one cent at WW , credit card will be gone

      digger.dighead - 2012-09-09 22:11

      Well it's sad when you must make a law to exclude more capable people because the majority can’t compete in the work place. I believe the best person should get the job, no matter what color they are. How else are we supposed to stay competitive and strive to improve? It starts with poor service at the restaurant and continues up to our countries finically state.

      juannepierre - 2012-09-10 02:44

      I guess the boycott will tell all. I for one can't boycott WW as I never shopped there. Anyone who can afford to pay the extra cash to have someone else wash their lettuce should consider themselves lucky. But how many black people keep WW afloat!

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-09-10 09:54

      Woolworse.

  • brendan.k.shaw - 2012-09-09 16:42

    And how representative is the BMF?

      justin.pretorius - 2012-09-09 21:11

      Correct, BLACK MANAGEMENT FORUM-what if a WHITE MANAGEMENT FORUM existed? What about a WHITE TAXI ASSOCIATION? Mmmm...these are racist institutions themselves

  • malcolm.baillie.50 - 2012-09-09 16:45

    Exactly how redistributing unemployment is going to make SA grow is beyond me.

  • dick.etheridge - 2012-09-09 17:14

    BMF, please advertise who else is following this trend so I know where not to spend my white cash.

      Liza Anderson - 2012-09-09 18:02

      i agree

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-09-09 17:18

    another franchise bites the dust da! da! da! tara, da, ta, da ta da.Next!!!!!!

  • marc.schnehage - 2012-09-09 17:20

    BMF, with no whites allowed, is by definition a racist organisation. Thank you and goodbye - will only be buying from white-owned businesses from now on!

      gerhard.borcherds - 2012-09-09 19:33

      Marc you are just as bad as the BMF if you only support white businesses. AA and EE and BEE are fine if they are still applied on a meritorious basis and not specifically exclusionist - which is the way they were originally designed. Woolworths isn't implementing the policy correctly and must be sanctioned accordingly and if enough people stay away for long enough they might realise their faux pas. I will not shop at Woolies, for my part, until they change their policy.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-09-10 09:12

      Er marc, you are allowed as a white to join BMF..

  • amelda.davies - 2012-09-09 17:41

    Woolworths, SAA, ABSA, Checkers, Pick 'n Pay, etc etc. Everywhere - white people are 'to light' finding a job in this SA. State Departments I carry on. Oh, and all people getting these jobs are soooo qualified! Proof is in the reading of the news. Why don't the 'Government' just pay our fees to immigrate? And be done with it?

      tw2066 - 2012-09-09 20:38

      I like your style!!

      justin.pretorius - 2012-09-09 21:13

      Since they are determined to push out whites economically it would cost them less to pay whites to leave SA. It is a win-win situation for all if they implement this

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-09-09 17:48

    BMF = another racist organisation!

  • blatherwick.ashburner - 2012-09-09 17:54

    AA, BBBBEEEEE & EE - no sunset - no end. Protect the majority who are in power from the minority who are not. If 18 years is not enough time to educate the youth and to train those who were already educated so that they can perform competantly then there will never be enough time. This is like giving a community access to banks and saying keep taking what you want until you are satisfied. Will they ever be satisfied? NO! They will still complain long after they have taken and consumed all there is to take. Then they will blame the racist anti-revolutionary, anti-majoritarian, colonialist white western capitalists for their demise. Oh yes. Then they will ask WTF? (wheres the food?)

  • frik.groenewald - 2012-09-09 17:56

    "The BMF is a non- racial, thought leadership organisation founded in 1976, with the main purpose of influencing socio-economic transformation of our country, in pursuit of socio-economic justice, fairness and equity. The BMF continues to be vocal on these aforementioned matters and has been keeping Corporate South Africa in check and encouraging participation of the broader South African stakeholders." Funny enough is the fact that their name is very "Racial" and also that their management composition does not reflect the above description found on their website.

      blatherwick.ashburner - 2012-09-09 19:49

      What do you think the response would be to the formation of the White Managers Forum? Or the White Lawyers Association? Or the South African White Econimic Forum? etc....ad nauseum....infunitum

      tw2066 - 2012-09-09 20:40

      Maybe nows a good time to start a white consumer forum? Unofficially its started anyway...

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-09-09 17:59

    Poor blacks. Shame, as the majority population group in SA they need legislation to reserve jobs for only themselves. It does not say much for their intellegance!

      bob.small.7547 - 2012-09-09 18:15

      Exactly...!

  • julio.sanfona - 2012-09-09 18:03

    How about starting to employ who ever is best suited for the job, regardless of the colour of their skin. It's only by becoming more competitive amongst ourselves that we can raise the bar and ultimately become also more competitive internationally. After all the current BEE recipients have done very little for the poor (black) man in the street, they were merely given shares in the "evil" white companies but contributed nothing to the growth of such companies. Why was job reservation morally wrong during the apartheid era but affirmative action, which is another form of job reservation, cool in this day and age? Job reservation/affirmative action is not only morally wrong, it is also innefficient and is leading us to become uncompetitive and ultimately lowering productivity.

  • sarel.brits - 2012-09-09 18:26

    We can not change the government with our vote but as the Black Management Forum will tell you their is other way's to let yourself be counted,Its time to ris vote with our money if whites are the dominant force in the economy then why should we take this crap, we know we can do better that this lot. The ANC and this BMF had 18 years to lead us All to prosperity to create jobs for every body and they failed both black and white people, I wonder how many jobs have the BMF created or is it just like the ANC a boy's club with entrenched racist views, Call them out let's see who are these managers let's see if they can stomach a drop in their bottom line and share price.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-09-09 18:35

    I have responded to Kagiso Tlhakung comments on my comment above three time and amazingly the comments simply disappeared like by magic. Makes one wonder does it not N24.

  • cindy.mackenzie.75 - 2012-09-09 18:47

    Woolies wont see my cash for a while to come. it does take some adjusting, but it is very do-able and much cheaper to shop elsewhere.

  • cindy.mackenzie.75 - 2012-09-09 18:49

    Woolies wont see my cash for a while to come. Havent been in a store since Monday and will be shopping elsewhere from now on - do able and much cheaper.

  • bob.jaan.9 - 2012-09-09 19:04

    Fantasties BMF.Ons het gewonder wanneer julle op die Woolies Boikot bandwagon gaan spring. More is dag 6 van daai boikot en ons tel nou eers lekker spoed op. Die debat is gesond op FB. Support ALLE forums en instansies wat hierdie boikot dryf. Ons gaan nie ophou nie. En ons gaan nie weer ons voete in Woolies sit nie. Die mense is GATVOL vir diskriminasie opgrond van kleur. Ons is GATVOL dat ons geld goed genoeg is om te vat, maar ons vel nie goed genoeg is om te mag werk nie. En elke dag gaan dai tills minder en minder cash inkry.En die shareprys gaan waarskynlik aanhou daal. En op n satdium gaan die shareholders vir die board vra wat hulle gaan doen en hopelik dan skrik n paar manne met dik brille en suits wakker..Tot dan, stem ons met ons beursies. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=476464065711796&set=a.161713713853501.38753.161706480520891&type=1&relevant_count=1

  • johan.vermeulen.127 - 2012-09-09 19:11

    I can see farmers markets becoming popular again

      ryan.p.nel - 2012-09-09 20:18

      Hope to see more of them around now

      justin.pretorius - 2012-09-09 21:16

      Damn right! Too many "supermarkets" and big chains around. They destroy farmer's markets and other industries. I would love to see these markets make a big comeback

      ryan.p.nel - 2012-09-10 02:35

      Definately! A better product at a better price, while buying knowing for certain that we are supporting our own people. I hope they start soon!

      dave.robbins.3344 - 2012-09-10 06:45

      Good comment, Johan. We attend a Farmers Market in Grahamstown on a Saturday morning, and it is definitely something that is growing. The comment from our customers is "It looks good, tastes fresh/better and is cheaper than the chain stores" - it also interesting to see who the stall owners are, and they represent ALL the varied demographics of SA. So, South Africa, shop where South Africa shops - Farmers/Food/Homemade/Call it what you will Markets!

  • HendrikAfrika - 2012-09-09 19:15

    Affirmative action should be to train / educate people of the previously disadvantaged racial groups. Unfortunately management at places like Woolworths and Macdonalds take shortcuts and just employ blacks and in the case of macdonalds no whites. Lets "strike" against these two mostly white clientele based businesses. If we can not influence these two companies to change their attitude / policy it is only going to get worse. When last did you see white person at at a till? There are white people that will appreciate such a position but companies like Spar find it to convenient to employ only blacks at lower level in an effort to make their compliment of AA. They are just wasting our country by not applying AA policies correctly. ANY company that reserve any kind of position for a specific race or that exclude any race from such a position should immediately be brought to justice and labeled as racist with the necessary penalties attached. Unfortunately it seems that if we do not stand together, combining our buying power to punish companies that are actually racist but get away with it due to poor government / justice systems. I for one promise that I will not buy anything from macdonalds (Boksburg) until they apologize in public and actually start employing white staff as well as black staff. If any black staff is retrenched due to rectifying their staff policy, such staff members should get a decent retrenchment package. Stand together and fight right, fight white

      louise.cook.127 - 2012-09-10 01:23

      Rubbish! Find out the facts about Woolworths training programmes!

  • stuart.lidstone.1 - 2012-09-09 19:16

    I am not boycotting Woolworths to support Afriforum nor Solidarity but because it irks me no end that, having spent freely at my local woolies the last 30 years, Woolworths now behaves in a racist high handed aggressive manner unbefitting the Woolworths I supported and for those reasons I will no longer shop at woolies and will hand my wife's woolies card in at my local woolworths tomorrow.

  • bob.jaan.9 - 2012-09-09 19:17

    the original woolies boikot debate on FB http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=476464065711796&set=a.161713713853501.38753.161706480520891&type=1&relevant_count=1

  • chris.maakal - 2012-09-09 19:35

    This issue is NOT about Woolworths not appointing Whites. The issue is that Woolworths is acting contrary to the employment equity act of 1998, of which point 7.3.7 of the code of good practice CLEARLY states that a job advert cannot exclude a specific race.

      janet.pretorius1 - 2012-09-10 12:39

      Yes - I think the majority of us realise this but the issue is an emotional one that has been building for over a decade. The issue is the incompetent implementation of EE (by mngt) - at whatever cost it seems. This advert was just so blatantly racist and obviously implemented by one of those who is just not competent for the position they enjoy and WW is paying dearly for it.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-09-09 19:55

    problem with the bmf is that they want whites excluded at all costs. It has nothing to do with equity. Jimmy manyi was a bmf president. That says it all.

  • Rodney - 2012-09-09 20:01

    some must apply to mpumalanga provential education. IT SECTION. ALL WHITE.

  • ryan.p.nel - 2012-09-09 20:08

    BMF can support Woolworths then. Because, until I see one of these mythological white people they claim work there, I will not.

  • rudi.debeer.5 - 2012-09-09 20:27

    Buy where you please. Spend your money where you are comfortable. I dont spend mine at woollies. To expensive. Has bee something to do with this?

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-09-09 20:53

    I dont know why people still buys at Woolworths.Never mind the employment issue.Their prepared food is far to expensive and taste like ziltch. Their meat is overpriced. Their fruit and veg are expensive. Their clothes are make in China and falls apart after a few washes. They think they are the Rolls Royce of the chain stores/they are not/they are only an expensive Chana.

  • klip.indiebos - 2012-09-09 20:54

    WTF Even post Jimmy Manyi you still have no brains!

  • shane.larson.96 - 2012-09-09 21:03

    Ive worked with BMF on many occasions behind the scenes, they are 100% racist, but they work their tactics very cleverly not to seem that way in the eyes of the SA law. As for WW, all they doing is trying to score points

      yonelisa.mfana - 2012-09-09 21:36

      I think they want to balance the race not to say they racists,surely there r whites who are on top position.if top there are 8 pleople and 5 of them are whites,they have to do that to balance the management.if you say close your account and not to eat woolworth food,choice is yours.but plople like me will continuo buying @ woolworth.thanks YANDISA MFANA

  • fritz.rossouw1 - 2012-09-09 21:26

    This is a load of nonsense BMF is telling here. Please show me one store of Woolworths . Where there are one white woman/man working as a sales person or cashier ????? " It said there were certain areas of its business which were seriously under-represented." Then if that is the case I would like to see people all other race groups .At Woolworth stores ?????

  • cirrus11 - 2012-09-09 21:33

    Boycott Woolworths and all BEE companies and BMF affiliated companies.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-09-09 21:50

    Racism is racism, no matter what words you use to disguise it. If you pityfull lot from the racist bmf are not hiding behind your skin color to get a job, why not cancel the laws preventing whites to participate on equal playing fields. Can't or wont? The answer will confirm if you sorry lot are racists or not You are what is wrong with this country.

  • beryl.knipe - 2012-09-10 00:54

    No more Woolies for me! It's a sad disgrace what they've said and what they're implementing; particularly as I VERY SELDOM if EVER see ANY white members of staff in ANY of its stores I've been in. SO, I don't even know what they're talking about! There are PLENTY other stores to shop at, besides Woolworths. Strange thing (well not so strange maybe) I popped my head into a Woolworths store near me and, seriously, there were NO CUSTOMERS in this particular store. This was around 11.30am yesterday, Sunday. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face - so to speak!

  • louise.cook.127 - 2012-09-10 01:18

    Excellent Woolworths - getting tired of AfriForum and Solidarity efforts to whip up boicots against businesses - like Absa before - who don't reflect their "Afrikaners is plesierig" motto! Ek is self Afrikaans en wit en los besighede uit wat transformeer! There were decades of white job reservation that favoured whites economically - Woolworths doesn't indulge in cadre deployment like government - the co trains it staff and develops them - a much needed imperative to make up for the poor education in black rural schools! Those who don't like it - buzz off to Checkers and die res van ons sal lekker en in vrede koop by Woolworhts!

      Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-10 06:08

      Oh, so this is the great 'freedom' of the ANC's freedom fighters???? Corruption and oppresive laws? DENYING PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO WORK? SOON WHITE WOAN AND DISABLEDS WILL ALSO BE DENIED WORK DUE TO AMENDMENTS IN BEE ACT!!! Wake UP!!!

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-10 06:02

    BEE or EE or AA, politically 'correct' terms are lies to cover up the TRUTH!!!! These terms are invented by the same LIARS who claimed they only wanted equal rights, freedom for all, work for all... stinking ANC Freedom Charter with which they deceived the world!! In January on SABC they finally admitted the truth in a series.. Blacks want nothing for 'ALL' they want 'ALL FOR THEMSELVES'

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-10 06:14

    HOW STUPID, WOOLWORTHS!! Get it through your thick skulls that we don't care if you have 3 or 13 or 30 whites working there; we are tired of RACISM AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST US!!!!

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-09-10 06:16

    Yes, BEE Businesses, follow Woollies into bankrupcy!

  • francois.v.westhuizen.9 - 2012-09-10 06:46

    In business, A people employ A+ people and A+ people employ A+ people but if A people employ B people then B people will employ C people and C people will employ D people and…well you get the picture. Pretty soon you will be surrounded by bozos. This is known as the bozo explosion and a soon you will be surrounded by bozos. Not a winning business recipe.

  • henk.tredoux.7 - 2012-09-10 07:02

    The last time I checked, the apartheid regime didn't handout money to those white people that was short of living a better lifestyle! White people also voted in '94, and many of them a new dispensation! Not to be discriminated against. So pardon my me, I can decide what to do with my money, I work hard enough for it!

  • john.cryink - 2012-09-10 07:09

    I hope the BMF is forced to take in Cadres so they can keep the cANCer happy as far as only whites are Soldarity members while working at union meetings black Soladarity members did attend meetings. But members of Cosatu and maybe BMF stopped blacks joining. Most likely threaten to do harm to their families and properties.

  • terenceleejohnstone - 2012-09-10 07:49

    If they want to employ black only, lets make sure their customers is black only.

  • maureen.ansellbennetta - 2012-09-10 08:08

    when will this government/politicians/EVERYBODY learn!!!! It's not the COLOUR that matters, its the experience and capability to do the job!!!! Get off your lazy asses, stop blaming racism, disadvantaged, the past, and get an education so that you can get the job legally! Not because of colour!!!! Wake up!!!!

  • tanja.berg.7359 - 2012-09-10 08:23

    Why should your skin colour be an issue...if you are the best candidate for the job you should be employed...this BEE think is racist and unfair to all South Africans...Yes all should get an change but have you seen how miserable the Woolworths staff is at ALL times and so unhelpful...

  • pieter.pretorius.106 - 2012-09-10 08:24

    Maybe would start a White Management Forum or a White entrepreneur forum and see what happens. This blatant racism but because it is black it can get away with it.

  • PeterJJhb - 2012-09-10 11:34

    I agree. White people should stop complaining. The bigger picture is there are still more poverty among the black community. Stop complaining and just live ure live.

  • karen.kruger.501 - 2012-09-10 12:16

    Funny, they don't employ whites, yet majority of their customers ARE WHITE!!!!!!!!!

  • karen.kruger.501 - 2012-09-10 12:17

    Funny - they dont' employ whites, yet the whites are majority of the customers of Woolworths? You guys will not see me again, even after this racist issues have been long forgotten!

  • bob.jaan.9 - 2012-09-10 13:50

    woolies share price now in spiral downwards?? dropped 7% since Thursday http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=477210138970522&set=a.161713713853501.38753.161706480520891&type=1&relevant_count=1

  • andy.rossell - 2012-09-10 15:09

    I wont be spending any money at Woolworths until the equity act and BEE comes to an end, my wife and entire family have commited to this.We have to have Equal opportunities and a non racial society for all South Africans which will enable us to progress.This system can not be based on the demographics of the country,this is merely a ploy by the ANC to spread the coloured comunity.

  • murray.campbell.980 - 2012-09-10 15:54

    Who is the Black Management Forum besides a bunch of eletist, self endulgent chest puffers who feel they are obligated to tell the world that being Black entitles them to more than anyone else in this country.. really !!! we have been in a democracy for 18 years, I drop my kid off at school and see black parents rock up in their R500k cars and drop off their 4 kids.. who are we kidding, when these kids come out of school we will still be told that BEE is an essential part of transformation.. what a load of crap. My kids will go represent companies overseas rather and SA will loose out on their skills. Enjoy your 22% unemployment rate SA.. you still cant get it right, but don't worry, the Black Management Forum is here to save the day.. oh. no they are not.

  • pages:
  • 1
  • 2