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Toe the line or else, Zuma warns mining firms

2012-08-22 22:30

Marikana - President Jacob Zuma on Wednesday warned mining firms they could lose their licences if they failed to provide decent housing for workers, a week after 44 miners died when what started as an illegal strike erupted into violence.

Zuma was speaking at a lecture commemorating former African National Congress president James Moroka, in Mmabatho, North West.

Even as the president issued the warning - following a meeting with striking miners at the Lonmin Marikan where police shot 34 armed workers on strike a week ago - tensions appeared to be rippling out to nearby mines.

Hundreds of workers at the nearby Royal Bafokeng Platinum downed tools, demanding higher pay. The world's top producer Anglo American Platinum also admitted receiving a broad list of demands from its employees.

Pointing out that the mining industry has assets valued at more than R20 trillion excluding coal and uranium, Zuma said the sector should be able to pay its workers a better wage.

"In fact it should not be such an industry that has the lowest paid worker, given the wealth they have," he said.

He also noted that the government issued a directive to improve housing conditions for mine workers two years ago.

"In terms of the Mining Charter, all mining companies are required to implement measures to improve the standard of housing and living conditions of mine workers," Sapa reported the president as saying.

He said that according to the charter, mining companies were supposed to convert or upgrade their hostels into family units, ensure that only one person occupied a room and facilitate home ownership options for workers by 2014.

"In terms of the 2012 scorecard, the improvements of hostels to attain the one person per room upgrade and into family units is only 50%. Some companies have plans in place and have achieved some of the targets, such as housing for employees."

He said other companies were falling behind on compliance.

In one case, a company is housing 166 workers in a hostel block with just four toilets and four showers to share between them, the president said.

"Sanctions for non-compliance with the charter include the cancellation of mining rights or licences," Zuma said.

"We urge the industry to take this matter seriously."

Feel your pain

Earlier, Zuma paid his second visit to the Marikana mine since Thursday's events.

"This is painful to all of us. It is not acceptable for people to die where talks can be held," Zuma told about 2 000 workers at a field.

"But I do feel your pain and have come personally to express that. I am certain that the commission of inquiry will get to the bottom of what happened here."

Zuma said at the lecture that the commission was being established.

Police are undertaking their own investigation, while the independent police watchdog is also probing the police action.

"The judicial commission of inquiry that we are in the process of establishing will uncover the truth about what happened in Marikana. It must tell us how the industrial dispute degenerated into such a tragedy.

"We should be able to announce members of the commission and other information before the end of the week," the president said.

He said the mining sector was important in the country, especially since estimates suggested that mineral resources were "expected to be exploitable for over a century to come".

"It is for this reason that the ANC will discuss mining at length at the national conference in December, to see how we can derive greater benefit from the sector."

Zuma said he was raising the Marikana issue at the lecture because "we are commemorating an ANC president whose presidency was characterised by the transformation of the ANC into a very militant organisation".

"What we are seeing in our country is a continuation of a strong culture of freedom of expression which was nurtured and developed by the ANC," he said.

"We just need to ensure that we go back to the basics, and promote peaceful protest, as it is more effective."

But the promise of investigations has done little to soothe the tempers among the 3 000 workers, mainly rock drill operators, who launched their illegal strike on 10 August at the Lonmin Marikana mine to demand higher wages of R12 500 a month.

The strikers say they currently earn R4 000 but Lonmin argues that when their bonuses and other allowances are included, the workers actually make around R11 000, with a 9%  increase set to kick in on 1 October.

Zuma told the striking mineworkers that he would speak to Lonmin about their salary demands, Sapa reported.

List of demands

On Wednesday, similar demands for better conditions were being pressed at the nearby Royal Bafokeng Platinum Mine, where 600 rock drillers downed tools.

Royal Bafokeng spokesperson Kea Kalebe said the protest was confined to one shaft, and that the company was still clarifying the demands of the miners, who told reporters they were also seeking a monthly wage of R12 500.

Anglo American Platinum said it had also received a broad list of demands from its workers but declined to comment on the issues raised.

"It's not a wage demand," said the mining giant's spokesperson Mpumi Sithole.

The new disputes sweeping to other mines emerged following Lonmin's first talks late on Tuesday with representatives of the strikers.

Anglican Bishop Johannes Seoka, who facilitated the talks, said the meeting was cordial and that both sides showed a willingness to cooperate.

"If they had talked earlier on, the massacre would have been avoided," he said.

Lonmin spokesperson Sue Vey said the meeting had not focused on workers' demands, but rather on easing tensions.

Workers who attended the talks meanwhile said they were also demanding the release of the 259 people arrested after last week's crackdown.

"We want our brothers who [were] arrested to be freed, without bail. They must attend the memorial service" Thursday, said Kwenene Msindiseni, a rock driller.

South Africa is preparing services across the country on Thursday, including one near the site of the police killings.

Many of the victims were migrant workers, and most of their bodies have already been returned to their hometowns.

Memorial service

Meanwhile, in Johannesburg, roads around the City Hall will be closed on Thursday from 13:00 until the end of a memorial service for the victims of the Marikana shootings, Sapa reported Johannesburg metro police as saying.

Motorists were advised to avoid roads near the City Hall. Traffic would be diverted past Simmonds and President streets, and the corner of Harrison and President streets, spokesperson Chief Superintendent Wayne Minnaar said.

"We are expecting a lot of people to attend the service, hence the closure of these roads."

Roads would also be closed around Mary Fitzgerald Square in Newtown on Thursday because of the Joy of Jazz festival. Jeppe and Bree streets would be closed where they joined Henry Nxumalo and Miriam Makeba streets from 17:30 until 02:00, Minnaar said.

These roads would be closed at the same time on Friday and Saturday.

On Sunday, the roads would be closed from 13:00 until 19:00.

Comments
  • Cameron - 2012-08-22 22:36

    So the lesson here is get violent, kill policemen, riot about and then the president will step in and give you what you want!! Well done, we are now a country run by criminals who get what they want via violence.....o wait!! thats been happening for years!

      james.lance.969 - 2012-08-22 23:09

      Exactly !! All the politicians are siding with the miners. Why? Because they are part of the majority and the majority means votes. It's the simple truth. And it's not only the ANC, almost every single politician has defended the miners. It's sickening. The politicians in South Africa are so power hungry, they ignore morals and justice. We have seen the evidence. The protesting miners fired first, charged first, and are now all of a sudden the victims. The actions of the politicians are just encouraging the masses to continue their barbaric protesting methods. Since the ANC refused to condemn the actions of the miners BEFORE the massacre, it is clear they approved of their actions. This is why strikers think they are allowed to destroy public property and act like animals. That's fine, but from now on, the ANC should pay for the damages from their OWN salaries and not from the taxes of the civilized (black, white, coloured) people of our country, because at the moment, the normal tax paying citizens of South Africa are paying politicians to promote violence.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-08-22 23:12

      Ok, so Zuma is playing clever. Remember, he sides with the police, he loses votes from the miners. He sides with the miners, he loses votes from POPCRU members. So, blame the mines and threaten them - but what a dangerous move. Now the miners know, we don't get our way, we will get the guy we keep in power to threaten them into doing what we want them to do. Sjoe, very dangerous indeed.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-08-23 00:03

      Never mind the fact this chop of a president hasn't delivered on the "million" jobs he promised, nor the RDP houses.

      louwc - 2012-08-23 03:27

      This is funny - we can comment on this story all we like. It won't make a difference. The majority of voters don't even know what news24 is, they don't have internet. And those of us that have internet and comment here, use our comments (I inlcude myself) to throw around mud at each other. Name calling, remarks about IQ and intelligence (and spelling when all else fails). We the economically active, and I assume that most people that have the priveledge of internet access are active, should take our time before commenting, think about it. I have seen so many good comments from all sectors of our society just shot down with commentary based on...well nothing! (you can't spell, you are a nazi, you should go back to school, you are a white supremist, you are a reverse racsist, you stole my land, the land was never your's,you did not even invent the wheel,you are corrupt, but we learned how to be corrupt from you!, etc). Hell of an uplifting bunch we are. And so positive too! I saw an article about the para-olympics the other day and someone managed to make a comment about race? I mean WTF! Give them space, they have overcame their problems, why can't we?

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-23 03:28

      Why do companies also wait for workers to protest for them to give them a decent living wage, or at least decent other incentives? If any one of the readers on News24 has travelled to that area around Marikana where Lonmin has it's operations, you will almost shed a tear from the kind of housing you see the workers living in. It's incomprehensible how mining companies establish start operations in the middle of the bush and don't even think about providing decent housing and living conditions for their poor workers. Providing housing for workers is a trend in most of Africa and some remote parts of the world...all except South Africa. That says something about the mentality of SA mining houses...with the super profits mines make, it's inconceivable that Lonmin finds it hard to house 4000 rock drill operators even in one bed match box semi-detached houses...it's better than the dust they are sleeping in right now, with no toilets or running water. Mining houses shoot themselves in the foot - the give credibility to the proponents of mines nationalisation.

      colin.crowther2 - 2012-08-23 03:43

      After a hard day of work - sweating blood and tears - when you arrived home did you have to light a parrafin lamp to see where your bed was and wash yourself from a bucket of water.Have you experienced these conditions before.Remember one thing, a happy worker is a productive worker - Can you blame them for behaving the way they did.Maybe their grievances fell on deaf ears.

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-23 05:14

      just trying to appeasing the miners for their votes. Nothing, nought, zero surprises me any longer, in fact I expect skulduggery

      tw2066 - 2012-08-23 06:40

      That moral compass that we talk about .... Zuma is never going to be in the same sentence. This guy is really no better tha Bob in Zim. And, agreed the voters at ground level are so brainwashed that even if when the ANC is responsible for the deaths of their loved ones ... They will blinds remote for this Mickey Mouse regime.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-23 06:53

      @ denis.gomo I live in a house that is 100yrs old, and is still in a very good condition. The value has increased. This house was new 100 yrs ago. Please help me understand this.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-23 07:11

      You just have to love it. The countries that got these BAFOONS into power, are now getting SCREWED properly.

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-08-23 07:19

      No you idiot, the lesson here is to treat miners like human beings. If you can"t comprehend that I feel sorry for the little brats who call you dad.

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-23 07:53

      @Fussed.anderson....my point is that these workers do not live in houses - they live in shcks worse than you see in Diepsloot or Alex, without water or toilets. As a mining boss, how do you go to sleep?

      andrew.martin.71619533 - 2012-08-23 07:56

      @louwc......i agree with u whole-heartedly...the mindset of some people is scary....very quick to critisize and shoot down good ideas and comments...but have no positive input of there own.....

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-08-23 08:01

      Its called africa

      barry.ahern.3 - 2012-08-23 08:33

      Im pretty sure what Zuma is forcing upon the mining companies is supposed to be exaclty what the government is supposed to be doing. Can you say "passing the buck"? The ANC, unable to get anything right, now forces successfull businesses to do their work for them. Easy life at the top hey! SA Governmenr need to understand, nobody goes into business wanting to just break even...NO, they want to make a profit. Profit is the reward for taking the financial risk. The companies dont owe you anything!

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-08-23 08:58

      Yes, not a mention of the two murdered policemen, just pandering for votes so that he and his buddies can continue to rape and pillage the country, there is not a day that goes past that this ANC crowd just make me more sick.

      Hugh - 2012-08-23 09:09

      He should have a chat to his nephew and force him to cover the expenses on his mine and to pay the wages due plus compensation. Amazing how we all have a lot to say but miss this one important fact - In the family of the ANC you do no wrong.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-08-23 09:13

      @ denis.gomo The point I'm making is you give them a house and they dont look after it, they will destroy it, ie new university, burnt, then cry they cant get educated.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-08-23 19:00

      "Or else" what Mr President? will you will appoint a commission of cadres to run the mines? Who will then keep your rapidly expanding family in the lap of luxury that they have so quickly become accustomed to?

      colin.crowther2 - 2012-08-23 19:00

      Justify your Thumbs Down and explain why it should be accepted that these miners should live in appalling conditions. This whole debate is misguided by the notion that violence rewards an answer. Firstly the Miners are exploited with atrocious living conditions by the Shareholders of the mine. Secondly - there is a reaction to grievances stirred by the labour unions blaming wages versus the Basic provisions that have not been implemented by the Mining Company. Then Thirdly you have a reaction by the Government stepping in and Policing the situation and stating to the Mining Company 'Well get your act together or else' although we never gave a toss in the first place. No the Miners are not at fault and neither are the Police for defending themselves - I blame Greed and ignorance on the part of Lonmins Shareholders - I blame the Government for their incompetence and lack of moral obligation to human rights and the Labour Unions for their Financial Greed and their inability to co-ordinate a resolution.

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-08-23 21:56

      These miners are actually paid pretty well .. read this IMF report ..High labour costs carry more blame for the decline South African exports than the strong rand, an International Monetary Fund (IMF) official said on Wednesday. "On the whole, it is labour cost rather than rand apprec iation that has contributed to the loss of competitiveness," said Abebe Aemro Selassie, assistant director for Africa at the IMF, briefing Parliament's portfolio committee on finance. Mr Selassie said rising wage costs also contributed markedly to job losses in South Africa. "One of the features of the labour market that we think has aggravated the scale of job losses is that you have had wage increases well ahead of productivity increases, then you have competitiveness issues, rising costs," he told MPs. He added: "If you look at those sectors where wage increases have been in excess of productivity increases, then you see that those are also the sectors where you've had the highest job losses ... manufacturing, construction, mining, it is very much evident.

  • veldt66 - 2012-08-22 22:37

    Breaking news: South African miners seize upper ground!!!!

      jacques.otto.50 - 2012-08-23 11:30

      yup but then again Zumas family mine never even paid its workers. Pot calling the kettle black

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-23 14:06

      So zuma doesnt renew the licences ..what then? Just less tax money dor the govt to pilfer.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-22 22:38

    For once keep to the threats. Withdraw those licenses. Get it over with. Then address the nation. And explain what went wrong after the licenses were withdrawn.

      susan.pretorius.31 - 2012-08-22 23:02

      I agree - and then we will see how he will maintain the lavish lifestyle for all the wifes and kids! Hau!

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-22 23:23

      Wtf - must every employer now give houses to their workers. Now that would be a world first . . . . where must I que for my house ????

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-23 03:34

      @press.enter.12....not every employer need to house his employees...but if you build a mine in the middle of nowhere, try at least to house the workers...that should be part of a mining company's social responsibility programme....SA has sold the rights of its citizens out in its quest to attract investors. A good trade off would be like in Canada and the USA where workers sell their right to collective bargaining and unionism in return for pro-active benefits from the employer and performance linked bonuses and incentives like housing etc...that can at least keep both the investor and the worker happy.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-08-23 08:11

      @ denis.gomo How can you even think to compare ANYTHING in the US or Canada with South Africa. The last time people used spears to protest in the US was in the time and of Geronimo - and guess what happened? What do you understand under the heading: Performance linked bonuses and incentives????? We have of the lowest productivity levels in the world. If you do not believe that visit ANY mine and just look at how many people sit around doing NOTHING!!!!

  • veldt66 - 2012-08-22 22:42

    Dear President please don't create a welfare society, its not the duty of the mining companies to provide housing...., but it is the duty of these corporations to provide decent salaries & Wages so these guys can afford a decent living. Your Nephew who has shares in that gold mine should be bound by the same rules too!!!!!

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-08-23 07:53

      Good point. Let's see what happens to khulubuse zuma now. What's good for the goose.....

      keith.roberts.98434 - 2012-08-23 17:18

      Well now, look back in history for the reasons for mines providing housing for their workers.

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-08-22 22:53

    Zooma is one dumb Zooloo *shakes head in disbelieve*...

  • christiaan.oosthuizen.568 - 2012-08-22 22:55

    and the mines go dark ...........and the rand slides .....

      Joubs1957 - 2012-08-23 08:13

      And unemployment doubles up!!!!

  • stanton.clarke - 2012-08-22 23:02

    Look who's talking!

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-08-22 23:04

    This herdboy is an idiot.

  • karen.styane.9 - 2012-08-22 23:05

    JZ783 should first tell his nephew, that lard of fat Kulubuse, to PAY his workers the paltry money that is due to them before he starts advising successful mining companies how to run their businesses. He should also turn his attention to running SA (Pty) Ltd - how anyone can expect this from an ex goatherder with Std 5 is astounding ! Nevertheless, this is his job for which he will earn R500+million for the 5 year period - surely the least we can expect is more than appeals for housing from the Mining Co's? Perhaps he could have asked his police force to hold back on the massacres, they are making him look bad?

  • punungwe - 2012-08-22 23:08

    This is the language of political opportunism

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-08-22 23:08

    Start with Khulubuse zuma's Aurora right under your nose. Politicians are the most selfish individuals who would always think of the second term than the situation in hand.

  • pieter.calitz - 2012-08-22 23:13

    So, the workers have been lying all along. They do not get R 4000, they get R11000 (bonuses included), according to Lonmin. So, what does that mean, do they now want R 19 500 ( R12 500 + (11 000 - 4 000)) as as seems like they obviously do not know the difference between R 4000 and R 11000

      gungets.tuft - 2012-08-23 05:45

      Bonusses EXCLUDED. Bonusses range from R1000 to R6000 if the driller works all his shifts. The lowest paid worked earned R4500 but had worked something like 13 out of 22 shifts. I wonder who the labour broker is at Marikana. They are probably taking a fair (sic) old whack as well. Send the request to Shanduka Holdings. They are an 18% shareholder in Lonmin (their BEE partner) and Shanduka is owned by Cyril Ramaphosa. Perhaps Zuma can discuss the housing situation at the next ANC NEC meeting. Simpler, better, faster.

  • jacques.vandermerwe.140 - 2012-08-22 23:17

    Mr. Zuma, start by asking your own son to pay the miners that work for him (in his stolen mine), their wages! You are a disgrace. Your family is treating their mine workers much worse than Lonmin.

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-08-22 23:20

    What is he trying to say. You lose your mining license it you don' do what we say. He did't think that means a closed mine with no workers, no houses and no money, going back to the EC.

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-22 23:30

    Now watch the JSE

  • EricksonTL - 2012-08-22 23:41

    Bye bye foreign investment... Zuma knows better.

  • janine.wilson.560 - 2012-08-23 00:04

    The end is near time to convert Rands into Dollars , watch this space its scary times.

      pisciotta - 2012-08-23 01:06

      Janine the Rand is worthless.

      gungets.tuft - 2012-08-23 05:46

      You mean you have not already started. Financial Planning 101 from 1994, cater for Geopolitical Risk and start saving overseas.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-08-23 08:16

      Hey janine - beautifulk pic on yr avatar ;-)

      nibiru.sekkiejorge - 2012-08-23 18:51

      With an avatar like that who could argue with you

  • ntsiki.mdeni - 2012-08-23 00:07

    Decent housing in this case is the hostels that the miners use. All mining companies have them because almost all their workforce is from far off. And the hostels in Lonmin are not in good state. I'm sure this is what Zuma is referring to. Not housing as in a company must build a house for each employee. Let's stop sensationalising debates!!

      ntsiki.mdeni - 2012-08-23 00:11

      And as per the MHSAct, if a mining company is gonna \house\ employees, the hostels must meet certain criteria for good health and safety of employees. Lonmin Marikana is reported to be quite a mess!

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-23 04:39

      Zuma's comments are in reference to the mining charter. But the idiots on this forum think he dreamed up that mining co's should provide decent housing units. If u wanna mine unfortunately or fortunately u need a licence and u must comply with mining charter. I never knew South Africans have become so stupid

      gungets.tuft - 2012-08-23 05:52

      Ntsiki - I thnk most people understand that, and have no issue. News24 commentators as not a good cross-section of the population. However, you must love the timing of the threat from Zuma - so close to the elections - sounds terribly populist to me. And everyone has a point about him starting at home - he has been completely silent on the Aurora situation. If Zuma cared about people he would have stepped in there ages ago. As for Lonmin - remember they are 18% owned by Cyril Ramaphosa, so perhaps Mr Zuma can chat to him about it at the next NEC meeting.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-24 00:00

      Didnt the anc promise houses for votes? Hahahahahaha!!!! 20 years later still voting anc & still living in a shack! Wakey wakey ur being lied to hahahahaha!

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-08-23 00:15

    What a joke. Just wonder. Which companies give housing to their employees? Not the government Not provinces Not any Municipalities. Not the SABC. Not Eskom. Government made that promises in 1994 with the elections to build houses. Hoe many illegal immigrants are here, getting jobs, free rdp houses, social grants, medical services. FREE!!

  • louise.cook.127 - 2012-08-23 00:32

    Shall we start with Aurora? What did government do? Did Zuma even open his mouth? And that was NON-PAYMENT of wages for 3 years, nevermind housing!

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-23 14:07

      hmm - how inconvenient for our fearless prez.

  • dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-08-23 00:39

    Zuma is a kwak! It is your job as president of South Africa to deliver houses not the mines. Your presidency should get revoked if you don't deliver.What is good for the goose is good for the gander!

  • jerry.medina.756 - 2012-08-23 00:54

    Could be better if news24 and it's imperial media houses investigate the appalling conditions miners live under instead of reporting half truths. Mining companies are not beyond reproach and mind you this is a natural resource that should benefit South African people. Most people in here won't care because it's not white people who lives in hostels anyway.

      iceman196 - 2012-08-23 05:09

      why dosent the media investigate the fact that the mines have offered them housing for a tiny fee but they chose to live in shacks, open your eyes and get your facts straight before blaming the mines

      tim.elliott.1238 - 2012-08-23 07:17

      Read the comments...your implication that the Mining Ind does nothing for miners illustrates just how little attention is paid to the facts by so many people.For example the R4000 wage is not correct but distorting the truth which AMCWU chose to do led directly to the deaths of these poor miners.Get your facts straight!

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-08-23 08:45

      jerry, how can white people live in the hostels ?, you need to work at the mine in order to qualify for residence in a hostel, as a white person and the racist government laws, you can't get a job because you are white.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-24 00:03

      And the stooges & mamparras that put the anc in power should wake up to the fact that its your government thats oppressing u. Vote anc we will give u houses hahahahaha!!!!! Jokes on u hahahahaha!!!!!

  • tommo.too - 2012-08-23 00:56

    All very very sad.

  • drienie.mayo - 2012-08-23 01:11

    It's one thing providing decent living conditions, it is a totally different case keeping it decent.....They are never kept decent by the occupants. We have seen this happen time and time again...Just go and have a look at the "high" populated areas and it well speak for itself.

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-08-23 02:03

    Hot Air…Very Hot Air,

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-08-23 03:58

    Does Zuma's government provide "decent housing" for all its civil servants or are they expected to fend for themselves?

  • joe.irwin.50 - 2012-08-23 04:14

    This man is a liability. Spill over of these employee demands to the other mines was already on the cards. Just watch what happens now after these irresponsible statements.

  • jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-23 04:40

    The British and American mining companies have consistently robbed this country of its mineral wealth over the last 150 years. What have they REALLY given back to us to compensate for the destruction left in the wake of their rapacious greed? It is payback time, Anglo's and Americans!

      wo0two0t - 2012-08-23 08:05

      Where do you think the government gets the capital for grants etc. it’s from taxing companies. If they all disappeared our economy would fall flat on its face. What where that native South Africans doing with the minerals before the mining companies came in??? Zilch – they probably didn’t even know what Chrome or Platinum was never mind its value.

      fanie.essgee - 2012-08-23 09:09

      Jakes, please research before you speak, who in hell do you think funded all the infrastructure development, the roads etc that you take for granted, NOT YOU..... The money had to come from somewhere, just think you might just find your answer.......

      bullardx - 2012-08-23 09:32

      lokl jake you idiot, British and America are our investors_and thats wer majority of our wealth for this country is comin from so if you get rid of them then we might as well stay in a jungle.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-24 00:04

      Pass the buck right we dont expect more from fools like u

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-08-23 04:43

    A bit of blackmail never hurt a thug running a country !!

  • Sidney Gilroy - 2012-08-23 04:59

    Capital will flee. Mines will close. Unemployment and poverty will skyrocket. ANC will lose power. The trillions of minerals means NOTHING if you can't take them out of the ground or with the prices being where they are. They can't grasp this. They will feel it though.

      jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-23 05:25

      If all greed will flee alongside the capital and if all corrupt political power will die with the ANC, we would live in a perfect country.

  • iceman196 - 2012-08-23 05:02

    omg I cannot believe what a naive fool this guy is, listen up jacob, I know for a fact the mines have offered the miners housing for a small fee, they chose not to pay the fee and rather live the way they choose so stop with your BS ok, get your facts straight, the truth is like all you politicions they want everything for free and that includes a 12.5 k pm salary with free housing, medical and no tax, why dont you rather get your miners to tow the line instead of WE WUNT, btw have you visited the families of the murdered policemen, aaaaah no votes there I suppose, quit with the greed and stop phishing for votes and do the right thing, ugh wait forget it that's beyond you greedy power mad lot, what a bunch

  • colin.bell.7186 - 2012-08-23 05:03

    Here in australia when a new mine comes to the area all the locals get excited. House prices go through the roof, and the company spends big money on infrastructure. New roads, houses, even train lines and airports. Lots of well paid jobs for the locals. Make no mistake these companies make big dollars and build new towns like it's nothing. SA mining workers are getting a raw deal because the companies are taking the mickey. What these rock drillers are asking for monthly, here they'd earn in 3 days. You start paying the thousands of mine workers across the country R100k a year and see how fast we grow. The knock-on effect is enormous. SA's politicians must demand it. Staff costs are such a miniscule part of their operating costs. The truck I drive uses 1300 litres diesel per shift. One truck load of ore pays all the staff wages and we carry 200 -250 loads per shift between 20 of us. These companies can afford to pay every staff member a living wage, house them, feed them, and educate their kids. As they are the ones making obscene profits our minerals, a finite resource, this is the least they can do.

      jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-23 05:30

      BRAVO! Well said, Colin!

      gungets.tuft - 2012-08-23 05:58

      They do get R100k a year. A random sample at the mine showed a monthly wage of R12,000 with bonuses from R1,000 to R6,000. Not making this up. That is R144,000 a year. The question is, why the uproar, because all is not as it seems. Lonmin are caught in a power struggle between Trade Unions. There is a lot of abuse in the mining inductry, but not at this mine. Cyril Ramaphosa is the 18% BEE partner. Do you think he would let that happen on his watch?

      Peter Zylstra - 2012-08-23 06:23

      Colin, please dont compare Australia with SA. You live in a first world country with productive labour resources and SA is a 3rd world country with an uneducated, incompetent and lazy work force. Imagine paying a rock driller more than a qualified teacher! Is that what you want?

      sharon.houghton.984 - 2012-08-23 06:53

      Go speak to your Aborigines before laying blame , Australia did very little for them for years and still don't. I have family in Australia and in Adelaide they are "moved on" by the police as they don't want them in South Australia. You like many countries have much to be ashamed of as does South Africa!

      wo0two0t - 2012-08-23 08:13

      Colin does Australian have an unemployment rate of 25%??? And if it did do you think it would be much the same?

      denis.gomo - 2012-08-23 08:21

      @Colin.bell.7186.....My point exactly. A salary of R4500 is equivalent to AU$504 p/m. If you take a mining company, with the same resource, same ore body and just place it in Austalia or Canada...it will pay maybe 4 times as much to the rock drillers and provide housing and build roads and clinics and schools for the workers in the mining compound....and still make super huge profits. That shows you that SA companies are giving locals a raw deal. On the other hand, corporate tax is also quite high in SA...almost 60% more compaed to other parts of the world...a trade off with the government needs to be found - where companies that build houses and decent surburbs and amenities for their workers can get tax incentives or stuff like that. That can be a way to make things work - because the situation as it stands is not sustainable - we have always been sitting on a time bomb.

      christopher.collings.9 - 2012-08-24 00:07

      Australia? Isnt that the country that just about wiped out the Aborigines? U have no room to talk now do u?

  • Gerda Malherbe - 2012-08-23 05:12

    I have one word for you, Zuma - Aurora. Did your fat family friend provide decent housing for his mine workers? O, sorry, NO. he was too busy stripping the company and didn't even pay these workers you now suddenly care so much about, their salaries. Is it because they threatened not to vote for you? We don't want you as our president, you criminal

  • brionyl.french - 2012-08-23 05:25

    Since when is it up to any company to house its staff, surely their salary should be used for such a thing LIKE EVERYONE ELSE MR STUPID ZUMA?!?!? YOU HAVE TO STOP TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO GIVE THINGS AWAY WHEN YOU WONT GIVE ANYTHING AWAY OF YOUR 2.6 MILLION RAND SALARY!!!

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-08-23 08:13

      Yes Mr JZ you and all your cronies in parliament should take a salary cut and use that to subsidise the mine workers housing. Oh yes and I forgot about the alowances you get for your many wives. It should provide housing for quite a few workers.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-08-23 05:57

    Everybody else to blame except the miners - the future is buggered.

  • Mike - 2012-08-23 06:04

    A threat coming from Zuma, the ANC, that cannot provide schooling for its youth, basic health care and security for its citizens, he threatens others to provide what they have failed miserably to do.

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-23 14:11

      damn - cancel the licences of the mines, and see how much tax we lose,and how many jobs are lost. Seems like a bold statement from our prez, when they still havent even managed to sort out the text books. eish eish

  • Dylan Dillboy Allison - 2012-08-23 06:08

    More lip service from the shower king... Go visit the mines yourself Mr. Prez and actually visit the hostels and accommodation offered by Angloplats, Implats and Lonmin... They offer stunning facilities that are just not looked after by those who make use of the facilities... I've been to them... Why don't you visit sir?

      zybt99 - 2012-08-23 06:55

      your idea of stunning is really fascinating. if u dnt knw what to say rather say nothing.

      shayne.r.barker - 2012-08-23 08:11

      @ Zybt.. Yet YOU said nothing?

  • john.mccafferty.564 - 2012-08-23 06:29

    Mr Zuma You are an embarrassment to the country, you have lost the peoples respect. You have brought the ANC down into the gutter, Who in their right mind will listen to any retoeric from your mouth

      alan.gernet - 2012-08-23 14:12

      or even rhetoric for that matter....

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-08-23 06:45

    Gee, wouldnt it be nice if Zoom Zoom could force companies like spar, pnp, Panasonic... etc, to give their staff housing. what kind of moron is he anyway. providing housing is an extra perk, its a bonus, not a must!

      Zukile Marcus - 2012-08-23 07:21

      well Dawn its in the mining Charter and the mines agreed on it.

  • sharon.houghton.984 - 2012-08-23 06:47

    He must be so desperate to get another term as president he will do and say anything!He has no idea what he is talking about and thinks we are all as dum as he is! What a joke!!

  • sharon.houghton.984 - 2012-08-23 06:49

    What's even scarier is what's waiitng in the wings to take his place!!

  • shayne.r.barker - 2012-08-23 07:06

    And I'm pretty sure that all this is doing wonders to attract more investors from overseas based companies. US farm worker gets attacked a few days before a mine gets held ransom. Do these fools ever stop to think what would happen if these companies pulled out of SA? Common sense aint common.

      Zukile Marcus - 2012-08-23 07:18

      i wonder if u would have the same view should it been 10 white Barkers that died there. you r not less than other morons echoing same remarks. If the investors want to pullout they may as well do so. A human life is more than tones of platinum

      shayne.r.barker - 2012-08-23 07:31

      I couldn't care if it was 30 barkers that died there. Violent protests is not a right. The masses seem to feel that they can burn cars, block roads, damage and loot shops all in the name of their right to protest. And they then approach a group of police while carrying spears, machete's and traditional weapons AFTER they have already killed 2 policeman? And your emphasis on \White\ Barkers is irrelevant. This was black policeman that shot and killed black strikers. When are fools like you going to realize that racism in South Africa is not our biggest problem, and that white ppl are not your enemy? Ill overlook your pathetic comment and just put it down to a lack of education. Another problem in SA.

  • theo.joubert.37 - 2012-08-23 07:09

    Now I have seen and heard everything!! A government asking forgivenes from a mob of murderous huligans. The president of a country threatening a whole industry with revoking licences if they do not comply with governments demands. And should I mention that this is one of our bigest industies. What a joke South Africa has become!! I think it is time that big industy should take a stand against this circus we call our government. Shut down all the mines for a month or two. This should reduce the tax income and put government under presure, then demand all incompatent ministers and the presedent to step down, and be replaced with compitant qualified and experianced people. It should be interresting to see how government reacts when the tables are turned and their own tactics are used ageinst them.

  • tim.elliott.1238 - 2012-08-23 07:13

    How bloody convenient...blame the Mining Ind for the abject failure of the ANC led Govt to deliver meaningful housing and services to the poor!Has there ever been a President on this planet who promises so much and delivers so little?If only he had a conscience and the decency to step down.He is way out of his depth.

  • lawson.lutchman - 2012-08-23 07:18

    Or else, we will nationalise you and put Julias in charge.

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-23 07:19

    Empty threats its all for show to gain political momentum back, ANC give south africans good public healthcare,education, and deliver services before you lose your licence lol

  • alf.pop - 2012-08-23 07:27

    Please be more accurate in your reports: 2 of the 44 killed were murdered policemen and a further 2 were murdered security guards! Secondly, Mr. Zuma: Your warning to mining companies could also apply tyo your government. Since you took over in 2009, most of your so called laws were found to be unconstitutional. You have not done anything positive or productive. Too busy jetting around the world instead of facing problems in the country. Even when the security guards and plicemen were murdered you had some lame excuse to have to attend a meeting. Go see your doctor and find out if he can arrange for a backbone implant. People in glasshouses should not bath in broad daylight!

      Jesse Rowe - 2012-08-23 07:37

      ...or shower.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-08-23 07:33

    Good one Zoomer, how about you start with Khubuluse Zuma? take him to task and make an example out of him...

  • wayne.faulds - 2012-08-23 07:34

    Great idea JZ. Withdraw the mine licences and then explain to the workers why they dont have jobs any more. Clearly that will solve the workers problems. Clown!

  • Jesse Rowe - 2012-08-23 07:34

    The govt passing the buck...oh yes, it's close to election time, and votes are on the line (as well as fat cat government salaries, beemers etc - the lifestyle...). Those miners did not come to talk; they were militant, ILLEGAL strikers, armed to the tooth with lethal weapons, who attacked their country's police force. Now they are being treated as hero's! And apologised to??! And the masses are condoning it. What are we coming to?

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