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Parties call for mine violence probe

2012-08-16 20:34

Johannesburg - Political parties called for an urgent investigation into the shootings at the Lonmin [JSE:LON] mine in Marikana in the North West on Thursday.

African National Congress spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said it needed to be determined who had caused the confrontation between police and striking miners.

Mthembu said the ANC was shocked about what happened.

"All of us feel very saddened by the violence we have seen on television," he said.

"We are requesting that our government hold an inquiry on what happened today so that all of us South Africans can come to a conclusion on who is responsible."

A shoot-out between police and strikers at the mine left at least 18 people dead or wounded on Thursday.

Mthembu said: "These illegal strikers have been violent since day one."

"However, we are not here to blame any party in this confrontation because we don't have any information."

The ANC agreed that workers should fight for their rights but not at the expense of people's lives.

"We deplore the killing and murders of police and miners."

Mthembu said the mine's management and the unions, which operated on the mine, had to resolve the matter as soon as possible.

"We are appealing to both sides... so that we don't have a repeat of what happened today. These issues cannot be resolved by the police," he said.

The Democratic Alliance said it was shocked and appalled by what had happened at Lonmin.

"We call on union leaders, the police and everyone else involved to immediately work towards a de-escalation of the conflict," the party said in a statement.

"All action must be taken to avoid further bloodshed."

The DA said an urgent independent investigation was required to determine what happened and who was responsible.

"The families of everyone involved, and indeed the nation, deserve to know how and why this bloodshed occurred," it said.

Culture change

The Inkatha Freedom Party said the massacre highlighted the brewing tensions within South African society and should not be underestimated.

"Its horror should not only shock us but bring to the fore how too often conflicts in this country are dealt with through violence," IFP MP Mario Oriani-Ambrosini said in a statement.

"Unless there is a fundamental change of culture at the highest level of government things will worsen."

He said leaders should no longer tolerate anyone who threatened violence because eventually tolerance of such behaviour materialised tragedies like the one at Lonmin.

"We call on the president to order a for full, expedited and independent investigation of whether police action was justified, proportional and necessary under the circumstances."

Congress of the People also called for an investigation by an independent body into what instigated the killings.

"In order for calm to return in that area proper policing packaged with genuine political and trade union solution to the problem must be found urgently," Cope MP Leonard Ramatlakane said in a statement.

"Cope believes the magnitude of this massacre warrants a comprehensive report by the police to Parliament's portfolio committee on police."

Ramatlakane said the "intolerable" behaviour that was noticeable from the unions involved was unacceptable.

"It is disappointing that leadership from both unions failed to resolve the impasse, leading to the loss of lives," he said.

Systematically targeted

Cosatu claimed that the violence was being orchestrated.

"Broadly we believe there is an orchestration, a planned violence, because the violence that people are seeing today has been going on since January," said general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi.

"Scores of people have been killed and systematically targeted. Someone is behind it. We can't put our finger on it, but someone is orchestrating that violence."

Vavi said Cosatu was extremely concerned about the loss of so many lives.

The trade union federation hoped the matter would be resolved through the intervention of the leadership of the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (Amcu).

"We are aware NUM has been trying to convince workers to stop violence and intimidation," he said.

The shooting erupted when police sought to disperse armed, striking workers who had gathered on a hill, in the area that had already seen 10 deaths in violent protests the past week.

After a call for the miners to disarm themselves, the group - singing and hitting their spears against pangas - starting moving down the hill to a nearby informal settlement.

The police tried to intercept them using water cannons, tear gas and stun grenades.

The workers started running in different directions, some heading for the open veld and others toward the informal settlement.

A Sapa reporter on the scene said gunshots could be heard from the police, which lasted for three minutes.

Police on the scene said workers shot at them first before they opened fire.

An uneasy calm returned to the Marikana mine area on Thursday evening as paramedics attended to those who were hit.

Those who already died in violent protests at the mine included two security guards and two police officers.


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Comments
  • Barefoot - 2012-08-16 20:44

    Wow such violence the visuals are disturbing, the tendency would be to blame the police, but reading the whole article i would think otherwise two police officers and two security guards killed

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-08-16 22:36

      Exactly! What the media fail to report on is how the two police officers killed this week were hacked to death with pangas and axes and that a 3rd officer is still fighting for his life in hospital.So investigate that first before they start with their blame games. The police fired teargas and then used a water cannon to disperse the strikers, who then retaliated by firing live ammunition at the police.So the miners started shooting live bullets at police.That's why the police fired back.

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-16 23:06

      This is deeply, deeply shocking – nobody deserves to die as people have been killed over the last few days, not being hacked to death, or in a hail of bullets. How do you reconcile a future for your children in a country like this..? It happened when Piet Retief met Dingaan, it happened under the National Party, now it is happening under the ANC. There is a far, far greater problem here and until the world stops and carefully reconsiders its tunnel-vision of reality, this will be little more than a mild intro to a ‘world-gone-mad’...

  • aubrey.kerileng - 2012-08-16 20:44

    This is a \SAD\ day for all South African.We are feeling sorry 4 wat happened today in this Democratic country.May their soul rest in peace and wish all who wer injured speedy recovery.

  • Hermann - 2012-08-16 20:47

    Vavi is an opportunistic liar, COSATU was behind everything and behind COSATU the ANC who during the so called struggle called for South Africa to be made ungovernable. The chickens are coming home to roost. If any political party has guts they will laud the police. Take note: SAPA reported the strikers were the first to shoot with sharp point ammunition and by all logic illegal fire arms were used. Hallelujah to gun control.

      david.thulani.98 - 2012-08-16 21:33

      hermann ,yor take is fantastic,haleluya ,i repeat halelya to gun control

      johana.salivan - 2012-08-16 22:09

      This was clear message from COSATU and their puppets ANC that no free syndicate will be allowed do operate at mines.

      imam.madi.129 - 2012-08-16 22:17

      Focus on good policies like gun control and enforcing the law, dish the past politics part as it makes u sound like boeremag.

      phillie.jansenvanvuuren - 2012-08-16 22:28

      Gun control cannot ever control illegal weapons

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-08-16 23:20

      The simple fact of the matter is this was a turf war between two unions & when the inevitable fit struck the shan the finger gets pointed at............... wonder of wonders, it gets pointed at the police. Go figure???????????

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-08-16 20:49

    Why call for an inquiry? Blame the unions. Force was met with force. Nothing wrong with that. Union members are not above the law. They seeked the ultimate long arm of the law. Violence, murdering, intimidating and killing police men?? What did they expect?? Why not call an enquiry to the Unions instigating their members?

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-08-16 20:51

    Any union that is involved in this situation must be disbanded immediately in my opinion, and the leaders of said union must be charged with incitement of violence. As a country, we must not stand back and let the police be blamed for something that was completely out of their control. The real culprits are the union leaders.

      david.thulani.98 - 2012-08-16 21:29

      rowan ,yor thought making sense ,if unions ledears failed to control their people and yet this people shoot the police ,there must get blame .

      johana.salivan - 2012-08-16 22:10

      No way, COSATY just let the message out.

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-08-17 08:03

      I agree @rown it is time that action be taken against the unions, they are holding our country and government to randsome. They get away with murder. I believe that the mines are also to a degree to blame. They should take a stand against workers that go on illegal trikes, but instead these workers get reinstated. This only sends a message to the workers that they can get whatever they want by means of violent protests.

  • Michael - 2012-08-16 20:55

    Police must not die with their guns, criminals who shoot at the police must be stoped by force, there is a problem in this country where rights of criminals are more important than those of the citizens and police, why police were shot at?

      david.thulani.98 - 2012-08-16 21:20

      michael ,i like what you saying criminals are protected but on monday police die ,none commented,people of this country are heartless,injustice, ungrateful ,is it right for a police to be shoot ,i like what police had done ,good (sapf)

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-08-16 22:38

      I honestly believe the police never expected the strikers to charge. I mean honestly, who would be stupid enough to charge a large number of heavily armed cops with riot protection gear & armoured vehicles... oh wait a minute, maybe someone who believes in bulletproof / invisible / bravery powder????????? And phleeeeease, to those who say at least the last option worked, don't confuse bravery with STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!

  • Jason - 2012-08-16 20:56

    Commission of enquiry? Why? Sounds to me like the police acted in self-defence. 10 people already killed senselessly, 2 of which police officers. This whole situation was always bound to end badly. People desperate to keep their jobs at all costs is understandable. I have deep sympath for them, but they need to find out who was behind the lawlessness.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:15

      Inquiries are govt's answer to anything they don't want to deal with. It always ends the same way "no one party can be found responsible. New policies, procedures, change a few laws, blah blah blah".

      phillie.jansenvanvuuren - 2012-08-16 22:31

      Watch this space Apartheid is going to be blamed

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 21:00

    blame should go to the mine owners...yes those bloody imperialist... R,4000.oo for a miner in a platinum mine.... Mxm having exprince of workin in doz conditions i can only understnd. The strike @ hand.

      rowan.maulson - 2012-08-16 21:10

      No, blame must go to the Union Leaders who incited this violence. A miner is effectively unskilled labour. Demanding a salary of R12500 is beyond ridiculous for unskilled labour.

      veritas.odium.paret - 2012-08-16 21:14

      So you see nothing wrong in: 1) Getting involved in a turf war between two unions. 2) Staging a violent protest. 3) Brandishing weapons and firing guns at intervening police officers during the above mentioned protest? Seriously, ha se fela merabe e meng e tla dula e nahana re di-savage...

      tooka.loosh.5 - 2012-08-16 21:31

      Afaik R4000 is more than what a cop earns, you pr!ck!

      nzungudzakaoma.nzungu - 2012-08-16 21:43

      this culture of violence during strikes must stop.why kill police officers and mine security guards,even fellow mine workers?Police did what was necessary.this is a warning to those buffons who destroy and burn property during strikes Police must be tactial like this to deal with situatins like this.Cape Town police you must learn those rogue elements destroying traffic lights in the name democratic rights must meet the bullet.Viva Police well done good job.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:23

      The highest paid, least productive work force in the world since the early 1980's. So for their 200% increase can the employers expect a 200% increase in productivity? 100%? 50%? 10%? Many in other sectors work their flipping a**es off for 3% but now you have knives and wives, 200% is your right?

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-17 03:31

      I agree. Replace them with robotic mining equipment. Better production, no striking, no downtime. Perfect solution. Damn them for paying unskilled workers R4000! Better they pay them nothing, and avoid the human rights issues! Sound better tebo? Cos that's what's gonna happen.

  • slritchie - 2012-08-16 21:03

    This is indeed a very sad day for this country, but I'm afraid those miners had it coming. Everyone has their breaking point and the police are no exception. It appears to be an open and shut case.... the police were fired upon and responded with lethal force, which may or may not have been proportionate, but their options were severely limited in the face of such intimidation and violent intent. The long term solution, in my opinion, disband the unions.... they are nothing but leeches on society and bring nothing constructive to the table!

  • don.frost.581 - 2012-08-16 21:03

    Cry the beloved country? Alan Patton BWAHAHAHAHA!

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 21:09

      your an idiot. Sir.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:07

    Ja now it's splashed across int'l media and the state revenue's now on the line, now everyone has some "shocked, appalled, outraged" comment to make. Where were ANY of you politricksters on Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue & Wed? Where is Minister Susan Shabangu? Any other self-respecting President would have something to say about the 10 then another 18 deaths. Wake-up ZA, this is exactly where the Alliance want things to go whilst making token soundbites long after the fact.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:01

      The pictures of those pangas are scary enough. I've seen one up close in a friendly situation. Imagine if really angry people are carrying such things and bringing them into your personal space? Even the most rational, logical in control human being would respond with whatever they have. No-one just lies down and hopes it will go away. And with a mob, lying down would guarantee you a good hacking anyway.

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-17 03:39

      Yep - this, AND the attack on the American farm manager in Bloem in ONE week. No amount of spin doctoring is going to stop the poop from hitting the ol windmill in this instance.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-16 21:09

    One of the huge benefits of having an independent news service with their camera equipment at hand to give us the picture unbiaised was proven in this instance. We saw with our own eyes how the police was actually retreating when they were forced to fire their weapons at the crowd. We also saw with our own eyes how the so-called demonstators were armed and actually provocatively prepared themselves for some battle with the forces of law and order. We may dislike the police for many reasons but this is one instance that we will not turn our back on them. Note ANC and the other dark forces behind secrecy attempts. The shooting incident gives us an excellent example of why the private and independent news offices should be allowed access.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:17

      Yep. It's a fiasco from beginning to end that was conveniently dumped in the police's lap. All the usual suspects quick to climb on the bandwagon after the fact but not one of these erstwhile employees of the people showed their faces in the last 5 days.

  • fhumulani - 2012-08-16 21:11

    Rember The man with a Big Nose Promoting Shoot to kill? Then these are the result, Manslaughter by those who where supposed to be protectors #Banana Republic it is

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-16 21:13

    News said Malema was there???

  • lawrence.i.motladi - 2012-08-16 21:14

    Now some poor child is fatherless can this people find a solution de union n mine bbefore the stupit triger happy kills more

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-08-16 21:22

      Some or all of the police officers' nearest could have been fatherless/motherless if the police did not repel the deliberate attack on them. But let's wait a little. The true facts will surface. Those same police are there to protect also your life and those of your loved ones and of course also your private possessions - and come to think of it - the resources and property of your employer so you can have a job and an income. Don't let the unionists bluff you. They have only your unions fees in mind which of course pay their salaries and lovely life styles.

  • wendy.schneider3 - 2012-08-16 21:16

    your'e damed if you do and your damed if you don't

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-08-16 22:47

      Common sense says choose the "don't" part... then you can live to raise your children no matter how much you pay.

  • EricksonTL - 2012-08-16 21:19

    Fire the lot of them then. Wage dispute over. What's the alternative?

      rowan.maulson - 2012-08-16 21:31

      Considering this is an illegal strike, I personally am somewhat surprised that Lonmin had not followed in Implats footsteps and fired the entire workforce.

  • tessaeduardo - 2012-08-16 21:20

    Heaven above must be agast! This is what a black democracy looks like? Julius what right in 1 thing it is a black dictactorship. I would go a step further & say black fascism! Heaven help us all. Today the miners tomorrow it may be me!

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-16 21:21

    If polise use real bullets you will shot back, is who die first. Why polise was carring real gun instead of rubbur bullet guns? Is this a freedom?

      rowan.maulson - 2012-08-16 21:32

      Ok so you expect the police not to keep themselves armed to defend themselves when this striking mob have hacked 2 of their colleagues to death, and numerous other people have been killed? Good to know.

      tobydt - 2012-08-16 23:02

      The police are not allowed to use rubber bullets anymore since last week.

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-16 21:21

    If polise use real bullets you will shot back, is who die first. Why polise was carring real gun instead of rubbur bullet guns? Is this a freedom?

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-16 21:22

    If polise use real bullets you will shot back, is who die first. Why polise was carring real gun instead of rubbur bullet guns? Is this a freedom?

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-16 21:22

    If polise use real bullets you will shot back, is who die first. Why polise was carring real gun instead of rubbur bullet guns? Is this a freedom?

      Teuneman - 2012-08-16 21:41

      LOL!!! @ this person!

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-17 07:16

      There is no difference in type of weapons just the amo that is different

  • daleinn - 2012-08-16 21:29

    Its quite evident that there was inadequate mediation in the matter, the police just used the Nathi Mthetwa method, recently introduced to disperse crowds, and this didnt work. Then live ammunition was used when all else failed. The crowd should have been lined up and disarmed from day one. Is carrying of weapons to a gathering, where 10 people already had been killed not lesson enough, learned. I beleive the governments efforts at trying to preserve lives, at gatherings actually leads to deaths, because they dont know how to effectively deal with such matters. The unions and Lonmins are a shame , to this escalated stand off, and really sad at the end of the day, that these workers were groomed for bloodshed, they were already a ticking timebomb, that could not be deactivated! I pray those responsible are found and severly dealt with!

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:42

      They've been mediating since Sunday - LonMin, both Unions, even the Chairman of the Board of LonMin was there. Also the cops. Susan Shabangu nowhere to be seen allegedly too busy 'repatriating 10 illegal miners' in Bloemfontein. By this morning, all talks had broken down, everyone had admitted defeat and they formally handed the matter over to the police. The police then went to the hill to talk to the people, got shot and so the story unfolds....

      Joubs1957 - 2012-08-16 22:27

      Yeah well in the "old days" we had the "openbare orde polisiering" "public order policing" remember? They were trained to deal with situations like this - now we have untrained incompetent corrupt police and their commisioner is a financial lady who has no clue of any police work??? I ask you - what next?

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 21:34

    i can safely say. A war is coming.\r\nBetween richies n poor....\r\nThe poor will revolve soon !!! I'l just buy my ticket and escape !!! Dnt say ddnt warn you !!!

      rowan.maulson - 2012-08-16 21:53

      You can safely say whatever you want.. it doesn't make it true. The rich and the poor for the large part are both wanting the same thing... so the only reason there will be violence is if some rich politician incites the violence for their own gain. The fact that you are talking of buying a ticket to "escape" tells me that you are on of those racist individuals who hides behind a pseudonym and has no real patriotism or love for your country and its citizens.

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:07

      i dnt love my country your correct...wat is there to love??? Bunch of blacks murdering farmers or bunch of racist whites???

      Michael - 2012-08-16 22:23

      You dont understand what is happening in this situation, the thing is, employees affiliated to NUM are being killed because they have accepted salary negotiated, and they are going to work, employees from another union dont want to work, they are actualy unhappy that some of their members are joining NUM, apparently Malema was there, i hope he did not influemce them to fight police using force.

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-08-16 21:39

    I am ashamed to be called south African. Police shooting people like it was funny. The use of that amount offorce was not necessary.

      Michael - 2012-08-16 21:49

      Those strikers approached police caring real guns NOT toy guns, when you say it was not necessary for them to shoot back, what are you saying exactly? so would have like to see the situation were police were killed instead? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:54

      Of course hysterically funny when people machete other people to death,poke their eyes out, cut off genitals, cut out their tongues, stick blocks of wood up private parts, put tyres around necks and set them alight.

      stavious.mamatepa - 2012-08-16 22:23

      @sefako so it was necessary for the protesters to kill two police officers with pangas?

      yashiv.bhagwandeen - 2012-08-16 22:43

      The only thing you should be ashamed of,is posting this ridiculous comment!!! The police did what they had to,to protect themselves and other innocent people

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 21:40

    majority of comments think waz wise of the police 2 kill. Jst 2 protect thya behind. N u dnt have 2 guess who are those !!! Accornding 2 repots no police wounded or killed wich leaves lot 2 be desired !!!

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 21:55

      So far two policemen dead - both with their guns in their holsters. That is murder.

  • david.thulani.98 - 2012-08-16 21:45

    to me is day friday as usual ,b-couse they is a lots of controves regard this , we do not know ,we were not present at the crime scene ,all the police and protesters knew about this ,amen

  • matt.cumming.77 - 2012-08-16 21:45

    2 policemen and numerous others hacked to death with pangas! and some people think the police werent justified? These thugs had it coming. I just hope these idiot Unions who promise the Earth and provoke violence get what is coming!

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-16 21:47

    I wish u all couldve heard the interview held on safm's wednesday morning show with the two unions involved. Its a sad state of affairs. They all point fingers at each other instead of seeking a real solution to bring this horror to a end. Its no wonder these striking workers act like such animals with their leaders acting in exactly the same way instead of uniting to bring the violence to an end. If they had any balls they would be standing on that hill top pleading with their members for sanity instead of bickering at each other like old women from the safety of the police lines and a sabc radio booth.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:11

      I heard it. At the end of the show I didn't believe either of them. Note how their priority was to score points. Neither party was interested in a solution. They did achieve what they set out to - fomenting more hatred betw their supporters.

  • Teuneman - 2012-08-16 21:48

    Have mercy! Where did some of these commenters learn to read and write english? Some of these posts sound like caveman language if you read it out loud.

      Michael - 2012-08-16 21:52

      Well said Tueneman, this is realy disturbing!

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 21:50

    accornding 2 almost all white bloggers\r\nan eye 4 aye is corret procedure...\r\nMmmh. Is this waz your ephasising???forgeting human rights huh??? Mmmh w.o.w indeed death of a black bread winner is meaningless 2 sum of you...had it been a farmer ??? Mmmh. Guys think of thya children. No police waz killed /wounded accornding 2 the repots. The police were caught wanting thats all. Hence thy are lossers here... In international eye jst think of how china will view south african police 4rm now.

      Teuneman - 2012-08-16 21:57

      LOL!!! The next Trevor Noah this guy.

      matt.cumming.77 - 2012-08-16 22:08

      What about the 2 black policemen who were panga'd to death? Are they not black enough for your race-based sympathies?

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:16

      @matt. So more killing will justify everything huh??? I'm dissapointed with your attitude like realy my brother.\r\nAn eye for an eye. Is what indirectly u bliv @ now huh.

      yashiv.bhagwandeen - 2012-08-16 22:30

      Why must everything become about black and white?Seems to me that you didnt watch the footage,the crowd was shooting and advancing on the police,what were the police supposed to do,just stand there and get killed or injured,i dont think so.They had to do what they had to,lots of people forget that policemen and women also have families who are waiting for them to come home.I think you should put yourself in their shoes and think about what you should have done if you were placed in that situation.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-08-16 22:37

      The only thing China is eyeing is taking over the whole of Southern Africa. And JZ is to blind to see that! Why do you think they are building highways in the bush in Kenya??? They will make nice landing strips for their planes and travel ways for their tanks!

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:40

      @ yash... Run. Would run...!!! Than killing a provider.

      yashiv.bhagwandeen - 2012-08-16 22:50

      Yes,U would run, but thats the difference between you and police officers,they are there to protect no matter what,imagine what Will happen to our country if the police ran away from everything?

  • Sechaba30 - 2012-08-16 21:53

    Look at this drunkard, he is blaming Mine workers before the investigation start

      nonofo.marokemosimege - 2012-08-16 22:13

      if u read the message clear Jacson is no judging any 1.He is concern as a spoke person of Anc.U can cal him names but he remain our Spoke person.Read de statement again.

  • barbara.pruis - 2012-08-16 21:53

    My suspicion since the beginning - somebody is behind it! Why so violent and angry? Declaring war? It's sad that people are so gullible. And hopefully the instigator(s) rot in jail.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:13

      The Alliance is behind this. Their [up until now] silence and lack of involvement tell us all we need to know.

  • EricksonTL - 2012-08-16 21:54

    No probe required. ANC, YOU CAUSED THIS! The following terms ring a bell? White capitalism Mine nationalisation Economic freedom Expropriation without compensation ALL of these are things that YOU and YOUR organisations have been spouting. Now you wonder why the chicken bucket brigade act on them? You should ALL be charged with inciting violence. Shame on you!

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:01

      shame on you !!! Economic freedom is needed. Degree holding south african like my friends. Need it !!! Those r forced 2 sit with thya degree's

      Erna - 2012-08-16 22:10

      Hate to burst your bubble tebo, but I can guarantee that none of these people have a degree. And indeed why should they? In SA you can be president and earn millions with standard 2!! Your friends must be doing something wrong or maybe they don't have the right connections in the anc!

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-16 22:16

      Economic freedom = opportunity Which everyone now has in SA, not so? If you can't cut the mustard, then perhaps you should blame the post 1994 education system for that? As I understand it, you can't even get jobs overseas with SA degrees now.

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-16 22:17

      And hun, if you have a degree, and you spell like that, then you've JUST proved my point.

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:19

      erna a racist.!!! Y alwyc anc??? U thnk thy care???

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-16 23:00

      Erna didn't say anything racist. It's simply a fact - our president has a standard 2, and was a goat herder. The ANC are connected, and they don't need an education to coin it massive from other's misery. Ask Khulabose Zuma and the younger Mandela about Aurora... Don't play the race card bro, it's worn out.

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-08-16 23:08

      tebo.w.ganyani... "Economic freedom is needed." Then be the change you are looking for & start ""YOUR"" own business, maybe ""YOU"" can even be the first boss in S.A. that pays his employees a R1000 per child salary. I.E. if your cleaner has 12 kids you can pay him R12000 per month... Simple really, nê?

  • tshepiso.shamane - 2012-08-16 21:59

    This whole mess is created by our politicians and the union leaders. they should all take the blame for the lost lives...

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:41

      When you take up weapons and go to war, you must expect to die. If you choose that end above the welfare of your family then you are misguided. No Union is worth dying for

  • Teuneman - 2012-08-16 22:00

    Aliens do exist. They're the ANC. All they want to do is probe everything.

  • carel.steenekamp - 2012-08-16 22:03

    Who is responsible? Why Jackson, that would be the ANC.

  • maverick.generators - 2012-08-16 22:06

    "A Sapa reporter on the scene said gunshots could be heard from the police, which lasted for three minutes." Nothing better than sensationalist reporting. pray tell, could he make out that the police was shooting by the sound of their guns? The ETV video footage clearly shows gunshots landing in front of the Police line, with the journalist heading to cover from the incoming gunfire before the police even started shooting. But I guess it wouldn't be fun enough to say the Police did a good job now would it? Good old South African media makes me want to vomit every time I read a report from you people. And the so innocent 18 that got wounded or killed that everyone is crying over, are part of the same gang that killed 10 people including 2 policemen, brutally...lest us not forget while we are busy hugging thugs....

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-16 22:12

      even if thya thungs...\r\nAn eye for an eye would make the world go blind. Ur not even sure if thy r da ones killed da ada 10.

  • Michael - 2012-08-16 22:09

    This is breaking news at Aljazeera, graphic scences at that channel are not to be seen by sensetive viewers! Not edited.

  • joyce.kweyama - 2012-08-16 22:15

    PRES ZUMA WHAT WILL UR 2nd TERM BRING TO THE COUNTRY??

  • christiaan.potgieter.3 - 2012-08-16 22:21

    Am I mistaken, or is this a bit like Sharpeville? Police fear for their lives?

  • Joubs1957 - 2012-08-16 22:23

    e should now get another holiday - like Youth day or Sharpeville day???

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-17 04:59

      Nah. They're all about holidays to 'make benefit glorious freedom fighting ANC.' This one happened on their watch, under their governance. It'll be swept under the carpet. No holiday. No museum. Not even a commemorative coin. Unless they find a way to blame Verwoed, in which case they'll scream it from the roof tops, followed by a rousing chorus of Umshiniwam.

  • morati.maropola - 2012-08-16 22:24

    First it was the impala platinum and now marikana and I can assure that there will be another mine coming to the show

  • kgotlaetsile.mophuti - 2012-08-16 22:27

    Yep thats what anc knows PROBE, They even probe an incident where a lightning kills a person,their police only know how to shoot at the people who are fighting for their rights but cant protect the innocents from dangerous criminals

  • manie.vanwyk.12 - 2012-08-16 22:27

    BEE HONEST WITH YOUR INVESTICATION,,,WHO IS THE CULPRIT,,,

  • kgotlaetsile.mophuti - 2012-08-16 22:27

    Yep thats what anc knows PROBE, They even probe an incident where a lightning kills a person,their police only know how to shoot at the people who are fighting for their rights but cant protect the innocents from dangerous criminals

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-08-16 22:29

    Julius Malema was correct let us Nationalize Mines, so that strike make come to an end. People die 2day because reach stole from the poor. I support Nationalization.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-16 22:43

      Those who reach for a better life are not stealing. They have a goal they're prepared to work for

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-08-16 22:32

    Mine Management they are interested in the dropping of share in JSE not the interest of the poor employees. I support u Juju this time.

  • ntseks - 2012-08-16 22:32

    i was der NUM president said if we dnt moveout of de hill police wil let us out,nd it true dei did bye shootin nd kill,but i as a lonmin employee i rather die 2 mrw is der day we wil cum with plan B,bt does wh ar after num???

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-08-16 22:35

    Here is copy paste from Sky web site: And before the police advance, Joseph Mathunjwa, president of AMCU, which has been on a big recruitment push in South Africa's platinum mines, warned there would be bloodshed if police moved in. "We're going nowhere," he shouted through a loudhailer, to cheers from the crowd. "If need be, we're prepared to die here." Idiot! Criminal! He now has achieved his ambition, blood on his hands. What a shameful waste of life.

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