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Lonmin: No work, no pay

2012-08-29 11:02

Johannesburg - Lonmin [JSE:LON] platinum mine's 28 000 workforce could not be paid for the period of the protest there, according to a report on Wednesday.

Spokesperson Sue Vey told Business Report: "It's a no work, no pay situation, but payday is later this week and everyone is hoping that we can resolve the issues so that people can get back to work."

However, Vey told Sapa that she would not discuss wages or salaries on Wednesday.

"Today is the day of the peace accord so we will not be talking about wages... We are focused on getting parties to sign the peace accord," she said.

"We are absolutely hopeful (that a peace accord will be signed)... A lot of time and energy was spent to bring everyone together."

Labour Minister Mildred Oliphant will meet Lonmin management and four unions in the Rustenburg Civic Centre. The meeting was expected to start at 10:00.

National Union of Mineworkers spokesperson Lesiba Seshoka confirmed that the union heard about the no work, no pay policy.

"This is a policy that they quite often apply. We hope Lonmin will be sensitive around the issue of intimidation," he said.

"Many workers want to go to work but are being intimidated. We also hope they will be sensitive because some workers died and some are in hospital."

Seshoka was confident that the peace accord would be signed, even if it took a few days.

The newspaper reported that Lonmin withdrew its earlier ultimatums, deadlines and disciplinary hearings for employees after trade unions and government decided peace was needed for workers to return.

The Association for Mineworkers and Construction Union could not be reached for comment.

Workers at the world's third-largest platinum producer went on strike earlier this month, demanding a monthly salary of R12 500. They have vowed not to return to work until their demand is met.

The strike turned violent and 34 mineworkers were killed on August 16, in a confrontation with the police. Ten people, including two policemen and two security guards, were killed between August 10 and 12.

 

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Comments
  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-08-29 11:07

    Good!

      Rabbler.Rouser - 2012-08-29 11:20

      Absolutely. If there is no productivity they should not get paid. Lonmin is not a charity.

      tebza.ngoatoana - 2012-08-29 11:49

      What about those that want to work but they fear intimidation and victimisation? It would be unfair to them.

      richard.townleyjohnson - 2012-08-29 11:54

      It is unfair to them but is not Lonmins fault.. Hopefully they all turn on those that intimidated them and teach them a lesson for the future..

      martin.j.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-08-29 11:54

      If certain parties feel that they were intimidated, then they should come forward with the relevant information. Those responsible for intimidation should be taken to task. It would be completely unreasonable for the mine to pay wages for unproductive time.

      mike.dufham.7 - 2012-08-29 12:03

      I agree, Charles. With regards those that wanted to work, and say that they were intimidated, tough luck. That story has long passed its "use by date". Maybe if those that claim they were "intimidated" made a stand, things would have been different. It's prevalent in SA, no service deilivery, cries of government corruption, yet at the next elections the sheep will still vote for the ANC

      jannie.devos.56 - 2012-08-29 12:06

      No work, no pay. Of course! Goes without saying. Nothing even to discuss.

      ben.bezuidenhout3 - 2012-08-29 12:27

      @tebza,how do you distinguish between who was intimidated and who joined the illegal protest? The workers are so corrupt that they all will say they were intimidated. The work force in SA just want to receive everything for free and does not want to work for it! We see it in the government especially. Want, want, want. That’s all they can say.

      burningdogz - 2012-08-29 12:46

      Tebza, I really do feel sorry for those folks, but unfortunately there is nothing to do about it at this point. The unions who represented these intimidated individuals should have encouraged their members not to use violence and intimidation and should have insured that those choosing to work was able and safe to do so. Perhaps a lesson for the future then. Nonetheless, it is the union's responsibilty to explain to these members why they are out of pocket as it a result of their actions while these people trusted them with serious responsibilities. Perhaps now they realise that they are dealing with people's lives...

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-08-29 12:47

      VERY GOOD! There are many people that are without work that want to work. Get rid of the bad apples and give the jobs to those who want to work.

      alan.jerrold - 2012-08-29 14:01

      The unions should pay the miners. After all, they coin tens of millions of rands a month from workers' dues. Perhaps they wouldn't be so keen to destroy our economy by calling frequent strikes if THEY had to lose their own precious money.

  • adrian.tyler - 2012-08-29 11:09

    Ofcourse that's the logical thing to do.

  • marc.rule - 2012-08-29 11:10

    Fire them all....... There are many people that DO NOT HAVE WORK that will take those position's very fast.

  • phumi.ntlabati - 2012-08-29 11:13

    Shareholders and Management must also not be paid!What did they do during that period of the strike because the mine was not making any money? The only thing we want to see in those payslip is a net of R 12500 and above across the board or we will mobilise the miners to pay themselves with that platinum!

      ChrisGRoyle - 2012-08-29 11:16

      I believe that shareholders aren't getting a dividend, have lost share value, and may lose even more because of a share issue. There are very few winners in this situation - other than the unions.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-08-29 11:20

      "Shareholders and Management must also not be paid!What did they do during that period of the strike because the mine was not making any money?" Well it is not the shareholders job to "do" anything other than provide money which they have done - they will likely hurt greatly from the huge losses that will result from these idiots shutting the mine down though. As for management they have probably been working HARDER then normal thanks to this, they will be busy negotiating with banks in order to try keep them from shutting the mine down due to breaching of debt repayment contracts (again thanks to the genius miners), they will be busy trying to figure out how to save the company and keep it afloat so that the ungrateful miners can still have a job, they will be working overtime to try and handle the huge media fallout as best as possible etc. So no its not like they just get to have a holiday through all of this. You really are completely ignorant aren't you?

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-29 11:22

      Phumi,you must take 2 headache pills and a good laxative with a warm cup of rooibos and go and lay down for 2 hours. You have a serious problem with your head.Lets see if we can clear it from top to bottom.Good luck.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-29 11:26

      soon there wont be anymore Lonmin, now that might make a few fools like you happy, because you think you defeated the imperialist (which includes Black people, by the way) but what you are probably too stupid to realize is that the 28000 miners + their 100 000 odd family members will most likely be unemployed & hungry, if not now, soon & who will they have to thank for that, Malema & AMCU.

      samantha.5243 - 2012-08-29 11:39

      R12 500 NET!!!!- is there a job for me please??????

      nosiphom.mazibuko - 2012-08-29 11:57

      Total idiot, of course they always pay themselves with the Platinum, hence the mines remain unprofitable. strangely, none of you idiots commented on the Arora disaster with the Pamodzi gold mines. Just shows how everything is looked at in a skewed way. Only gift of the givers has been doing anything about the Arora miners who have not been paid for months. I can assure you ht liquidators would gladly have that mine nationalised, but no- one is talking about it.

      EricksonTL - 2012-08-29 15:22

      Lol! Illiterate miners extracting platinum from ore rocks. What a hoot!

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-29 11:19

    I would suggest that the striking miners contact Malema and Friends of the Youth League to help with paying debts and buying food this month.

      william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-29 11:33

      Great idea! You have a contact number for the morons?

      nadineelvina.francis - 2012-08-29 14:19

      I strongly agree

  • nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-29 11:23

    good, they think that going without a salary for 3 weeks is fine, because they think they can demand whatever they like, what these fools dont realise is that Lonmin is on the verge of pulling out due to the financial pressure it now faces, which will leave 28000 people unemployed for a long time. But hey dont say we didnt warn you, WE DID!!!!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-08-29 11:29

      I am actually starting to hope they do pull out. While it will hurt the country greatly and be really tragic, perhaps it might be the wake up call these people need to finally start feeling grateful for what they do have? So in the long term perhaps it is just what we need. This ungratefulness and entitlement just cannot go on it is not sustainable and we cannot develop while it prevails. Although I don't know anymore, I suppose if that happens they still won't connect the dots and will just blame the joblessness on the "evil imperialists" as well.

  • william.letsong.5 - 2012-08-29 11:27

    Peace accord? What crap? They don't know the meaning of the word \peace\. Just fire the hooligans.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-29 11:30

    Good. Enough said.

  • chaapo.sithole - 2012-08-29 11:39

    They have done enough to acomodate the imbeciles. It is laughable for the union to say the company must be "sensitiv"e to the "intimidation" when it is their folowers who intimidate each other. Reign in the hyenas and that will stop. Till when should a company bleed while workers expect to be paid while doing nothing. Their production brings in the money that pays their wages therefore it stands to reason that if they do not produce, they should not expect anything. This is simple lesson that normal thinking ppeople should not even be discussing.

  • kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-08-29 12:13

    Any action requires accountability - for far too long actions in our society have come without any accountability. If you dont work how can you be paid - action = accountability

  • okonkwo7 - 2012-08-29 12:46

    We want our money

      thepatrickwinter - 2012-08-29 13:10

      Me too, Pravin has all mine.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-08-29 13:37

      Does Standard Bank know that you are busy on this site in their time ? I guess you want to be paid for reading and commenting on this site.

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-08-29 13:24

    Soon it will be : "No work. No seriousely. No work."

  • mthoko.xulu.96 - 2012-08-29 13:31

    They demand R12500 monthly salary!!!! Even most qualified graduates do not earn that much. I wonder how did they come up with this figure? Let us wait and see if they get it......

      christina.setloboko - 2012-08-29 14:30

      makes 2 of us, mean really not even some graduates earn that much, they are just greedy that's all.

      lerato.mlambo.125 - 2012-08-31 10:34

      I wonder where did you graduate from , yes 12500 is earned in the mine you know, but not talking about the miners who demand 12500 ofcause

  • antionette.oberholzer - 2012-08-29 14:06

    I hope they stick to it. No work, No pay

  • july.nhlapo - 2012-08-29 15:49

    Let the mines be nationalized... Malema for president!! These people don't care about blacks.

      mike.dufham.7 - 2012-08-29 15:55

      Your last sentence is so true. Why should anyone care for people, note I didn't say blacks, who are irresponsible and just cause cr@p, as well as believing that it was the death of a rabbit that caused all of this. To hell with them

  • nadia.graf.50 - 2012-08-29 16:03

    I employ a few people who belong to a small union and each one is required to pay R40.00 per month in membership fees. To my knowledge they receive absolutely nothing for this contribution except once a year I am contacted to negotiate an increase. I believe that Cosatu have 2 million members (not sure about the nos though) at approximately R40 per month each amounts to R80 million per month. I think we are all in the wrong business!

      peter.brauteseth - 2012-08-31 15:08

      Smply suckng their members dry, trade unionists are basically fat cats rding on the coat tals of the workers.

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