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Gold Fields lists how much miners lose

2012-09-14 12:44

Johanneburg - Gold Fields tossed a pile of pamphlets out of a moving bakkie at its KDC west mine on Friday, telling striking workers how much money they had lost for being on strike so far this week.

The thousands of workers who had been singing and dancing at shaft eight and discussing how they had been convincing miners to stay away from work rushed towards the pamphlets as they fluttered to the ground.

With a picture of the company's senior vice-president, Koos Barnard in suit and tie, the text broke down how much had been lost for each pay grade.

Workers read the pamphlet, formed a group on a field, discussed the pamphlet and tore it up.

Titled "Gold Fields' loss of earnings update" it said that on the fifth day of the "no work no pay" strike, workers who had not reported for duty would not be paid.

For underground workers (by pay grade) this was:

A3: R887.05; B1: R912.10; B2: R1057,85; B3: R1249.85: B4:1467.85.

The pamphlet said: "Nobody benefits through this unlawful action".

The loss to surface workers was: A3: R783.65; B1: R806.30; B2: R945.20; B3: R1125.70; B4: R1334.85.

The A3 covers the grade of a general labourer.

The amount excluded living out and other allowances in respect of earnings lost for the period that they participated in the strike, the loss of bonus payments due to days not worked and food and accommodation per day.

"You are in breach of an interdict of the Labour Court", it said, with many of the words in bold and underlined.

"I recommend all striking employees to return to work with immediate effect".

Some workers proposed that they walk the 3km to Barnard's office at another section of the mine.

There appeared to be an agreement to the suggestion.

Earlier, people interviewed said mine security had visited their hostels on Thursday evening and told them to go back to work, but were promptly chased away.

The striking workers had spent the evening and morning trying to convince people not to go to work on Friday.

"We spoke to them at home. We told them they must not clock [in]. We spoke nicely to them. We don't want to fight. We don't want to see people die," said Lunga Nocwanya, 27, who said he had worked at Gold Fields for four years.

He said he earns R4 600 before tax.

"We need this money. I have two kids. I can't support these kids with R4 000."

Another man, carrying an axe, said: "What worries me, is this thing is taking long."

He said he thinks management is trying to tire them out and was speaking to the media, but not to them.

Meanwhile, the National Union of Mineworkers (Num) would have an urgent national executive meeting to deal with the issues strikers and protesters have raised at Gold Fields [JSE:GFI], and at Lonmin [JSE:LON] and Amplats [JSE:AMS] in Rustenburg.

About 85% of the gold mine's 15 000 workers downed tools on Sunday, over a range of issues which include a salary increase to R12 500, equal pay for equal jobs across all mines, and the removal of the Num's branch leadership.

The company has responded to demands and is in turn waiting for the workers' reply.

Forty five people have died in events associated with the strike at Lonmin.

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Comments
  • jacqui.deale - 2012-09-14 12:59

    There is no tax on R4,600.00 just UIF of R46.00 - so what deductions constitute the other R554? Union fees?

      michael.barns.1 - 2012-09-14 13:26

      medical, pension, uif, hostel, funeral, union.. and who knows what else! This is why they are striking... but clap clap to Mr. Koos Barnard, how to loose friends and make yourself out to be a wanker, what an idiot.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-14 13:29

      The others deductions might be for a low income medical aid and the union fees.

      vivian.harris.73 - 2012-09-14 13:38

      Don't forget the Sangorma must get his cut as well.....

      farmfreund - 2012-09-14 13:40

      The mines should stop exporting raw materials and add its value in SA, then they can afford to pay more, now they add its value somewhere els and that way smuggels money out of SA, remeber if these workers earn more they spend more and the money comes back into the economy and everybody benifits from it, white and black, and more tax money is earned buy the government it is a win win card,

      jay.ramodiana - 2012-09-14 13:57

      Shame mines they tax they don't care how much you earn even if I get a bonus of R50 they tax me true story if you don't believe me add me on facebook I will show u

      francois.dewet - 2012-09-14 14:03

      At All, this worker said "before tax", not other deductions but actual tax!! Is he so uneducated that he does not understand the concept of tax (which he does not pay) and other deductibles like pension, medical etc!! I now know why they earn R4600!! Not very sharp when it comes to their finances are they? Which explains why they are always "struggling". One plus One, is eleven according to them!

      david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-14 15:22

      @ jay.ramodiana its not the mines that tax you it is the government

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-09-14 13:06

    Wow Goldfields, isn't that just being progressive? Hope you're ready for the storm because that was as stupid an act as I've ever heard of. You are not rulers and the workers your peasants and acting so is hardly likely to endear you to anybody. Good luck, you're going to need it.

      victoria.kennedy.3532 - 2012-09-14 13:28

      @MarkH what would you propose the mine does? Sit and wait for the storm to pass? What they did by handing out pamphlets was bring a bit of reality to the worker of the cost to themselves by participating in an illegal strike. Yes to some degree it probably would aggravate/insult the workers, but seriously what do you suggest? Give them the increase they demand and then close the mine in a month due to bankruptcy? Wow in that solution everyone is a winner. Business's need to make a profit to run doesnt anyone get that? Miners: If you are so freaking unhappy, then by all means go see if you can better employment elsewhere with a better salary given your skills level.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-14 13:36

      the workers are fast asleep man.

      lynette.venter.12 - 2012-09-14 13:38

      I think it was a great move by the company - these people know they're supposed to strike because their buddies told (forced?) them to. They don't realize the implications of their actions. At the end of the month when they have no pay - and can't support their two kids, it's "eish...what now?..sjo" I think it was a brilliant idea - let them understand the consequences for their actions so they don't come blaming management later - go look for the money from your unions, whom I might add, would want their monthly membership fees regardless of the poor souls not earning a dime.

      neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-14 15:14

      victoria, I do agree with you to a certain extent but also agree with Mark H on some level. Being the aggressor against people who believe they have a cause will not assist anyone. These thugs are stopping other people going to work now (whilst they still have jobs) now you want to cut loss 28 000 people into a community and you think the repocussion would be as simple as "naughty boys"? that is very simplistic. this is a time bomb waiting to explode and must be nursed with a degree of sensitivity. Dont forget, last year London (a first world city) failed to contain 200 youth for 5 days, when they basically shut down the city. Do you now think being aggressive and saying you are fired to 28000 people who have shown they are willing to be violent will end well for any of us? easy to send on the fence and yell "off with their heads" but in reality they only thing the mines can do is literally say... We can only go up to 6k, if you dont want it we close down.

      neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-14 15:21

      remember, in history the cause of nearly every resolution was the same, the lower working class! lest history remind us that few have ever been peaceful.

      tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-14 15:40

      @Mark i agree with you fully, stupid move at times i wonder who is really stupid here the workers or management? I still congratulate Impalat for the way they diffuse the situation at the own mine 1st acknowledge the industry was facing a huge stress and secondly invited the workers to the table, way before workers even threatned - thats what i call progressive leadership, be proactive and try and avert the situation before it gets out of hand and now this from Goldfield pathetic and funny

  • Cameron - 2012-09-14 13:12

    HAHAHAHAHA

  • david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-14 13:24

    Lets see if all 15000 workers earned the minimum of R783.65 that is a total of R11 754 750 out of that community. It will propably be closer to R15 million that the comunity will have less to buy food etc.

      nananatakemehome - 2012-09-14 14:06

      And let's say, the mine produces 5000 ounces of gold or platinum at $1800 per ounce, equal to 9 million dollars multiply by 8 rands, I think that comes to about 72 million rands minus your 11 million, you can still see that the miners suffer a smaller loss, compared to the mine and shareholders at the least R61 mil. Not to mention the tax lost to government. So, the miners still win because, they are inflicting serious pain but if they were losing half that amount they'd be at work!

      david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-14 14:30

      I agree that the mining companies make a large profit but you seem to forget that they also have to lay out a huge fortune for about 2 years before an mine reaches depths where profit can be made. The cost of mining in South Africa is also very large. These companies also pay about half theyr profits on taxes - that means the government gets 45%+ of all the profits. The stupidest thing the ANC did was to allow these mines to list overseas thus all the taxes they could have asked on the pay out of profits are lost to South Africa and gained by UK and USA.

      david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-14 14:36

      Further more this mine produced 1 100 ounces of gold last year http://www.goldfields.co.za/ops_kdc.php

      jws.paterson - 2012-09-14 14:48

      Be careful equating profit and revenue. Remember that they are probably spending $800 or $900 per ounce on direct costs of extracting that gold. Then, there's taxes, fees, loans and any number of other costs. They also need to stockpile huge quantities of cash, to cover cashflow during times like this. So do us all a favour, don't simplify the matter simply because you don't have the foggiest grasp on resource economics...

      paul.c.wadsworth - 2012-09-14 14:57

      That's what is not understood by these guys. It's not just about the individual it's all about the communities spending power.

  • nun.chuck.7 - 2012-09-14 13:37

    They managed to read it?

  • malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-14 13:38

    Should rather have dropped off notices that they are all fired, maybe they will do that next week.

      Daniel Mah - 2012-09-14 14:26

      couldn't agree more

  • thapelo.maleka.94 - 2012-09-14 13:39

    gold field is now change the strategy let see if it would work

      lynette.venter.12 - 2012-09-14 13:47

      We can only hope...

  • timothy.tanzer.5 - 2012-09-14 13:55

    The mines are all insured ... illegal strike action means the mines get paid out from their insurers for loss of earnings.... I think the instigators of these strikes forgot to tell the miners this... the mines will not be in a hurry to do anything as long as the strike action is illegal.

      neil.harris.370177 - 2012-09-14 14:16

      timothy please show me a company which is willing to give you BI insurance cover for labour unrest (protected or illegal) in the mining sector... that would be suicide.

  • nananatakemehome - 2012-09-14 13:58

    The people know the price thy are paying for staying out of a job, and yet they do. Next you have to ax, why would they inflict such pain on themselves? And take such a high risk of losing their jobs? Now you'd. Think Koos will tell you how much the mine makes, who is paid what, and why? Instead, you get him trying to act like a Union buster, and attempting to break the resolve of the strikers. I have never seen this work. Respect on the other hand and a clear explanation may move things forward instantly...I mean soon. The people want their fair cut of the wealth and that's a fair askance.

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-09-14 15:31

      if you pay these often illiterate and uneducated souls the R12500 they ask for what about the police,nurses,medics and teachers but to name a few who earn far far less than these arrogant"give me give me" trouble makers. i know of teachers with 20 years service who earn less than R12500 per month,and this even excludes all the frikkin benefits these idiots get.

  • masindi.mashaba.14 - 2012-09-14 13:58

    malema keep fighting 4 the poor poeple nothing else

      brendan.vogt.1 - 2012-09-14 14:20

      masindi, do you really think the millionaire malema gives a rat about the poor ???? he just wants your vote, wake up and smell the pap buddy.

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-09-14 16:06

      @tshepo.im tired of trying to explain.a large portion of black people(some excluded)expect to get given everything.they always expect handouts,especially from the white people. in life you need to work,it is like this all over the world,you cannot expect to be given everything,unless you steal it. if the labourer is prepared to work his way up which takes time he will be rewared,the problem is that he wants it NOW. i honestly respect a black man who has worked to get to the top,driving his 4*4,and i have seen several of these in my career.(they speak sense and are really a pleasure to deal with and TO speak to) what i dont agree with is the general populous expecting everything to be given to them.they need to work to get to that level. increases beyond 10% are hard but do happen,no problem. expecting to double or triple your wage overnight,madness.

  • justice.league.9469 - 2012-09-14 14:15

    They knew what their salary was going to be before they took employment. If they don't like it they should move on, plenty others unemployed who would be grateful for a job.

  • brendan.vogt.1 - 2012-09-14 14:18

    In the photo, malema looks like a pot bellied pig.

      linda.horsfield.77 - 2012-09-14 14:26

      Please do not insult pot bellied pigs - they are actually gorgeous creatures with gentle natures and loyal too!

      david.coetzee.77 - 2012-09-14 14:45

      LMAO Linda

  • sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-14 15:26

    rubbish, these greedy crooks must fly pamphlets on they have lost profits for their xmas bonuses

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-14 15:36

    How much it has costed the company to print out those pamphlets, shouldnt they be speaking with their employees instead of the vice president busy posing for pictures - clearly when people talk of poor people skill at the top this is what they are talking about

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-09-14 15:39

    Fellow combrades soldier on, victory is certain. You are the frontline soldiers for a class struggle. Those still at primary school will find working conditions more favourable for decent work and a living wage thanks to your resolve. We salute you as heroes of the nation. The imperialists and their agents are having sleepless nights. I live in Lusikisiki and i know some of the guys who were killed or got injured. One of the injured is my brother in law, nicknamed VELAZIMNIKE. To him and many of his couragous colleages i would like to say AWULIMALELANGA LIZE NQONDO,GOKHWANA, MBIKHWE, MPHUKUZEHLUNGULU. BAYEKE ABA BANINULALELA INYANISO KUBA BERHUBUKE LUBUSI KUNYE BESWEKILE YABAMHLOPHE. THINA BOMZONTSUNDU SIYANIXHASA KWAYE SITHI ELIDABI NIZAKUILIPHUMELELA. To NUM the less said about you , the better. To AMCO i dont know you, but since you were formed by combrades that are fed up with the corrupt unions affiliated to COSATU i support you guys. Noba banganithengela abanqolobi angeke bakwazi ukunqoloba inyaniso.

      Jaap - 2012-09-15 10:58

      Typical parasite reasoning, one must work for what you want not demanding it. But then the majority got their wealth and jobs via BEE and affirmative action. No need to work!

  • nicolelovelock - 2012-09-14 16:03

    good idea, poorly executed plus, probably alot of the miners can't even read to begin with, thus tearing up the pamphlets along with the others to avoid embarassment?

  • petronella.dutoit.1 - 2012-09-18 18:08

    Barnard and others with boer names will have to withdraw from the story because we are now used as the "fall guy" The board together with the government must deal with this story now and get it settled

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