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Amplats workers now want R16 000

2012-09-13 13:33

Rustenburg - Striking Anglo Platinum [JSE:AMS] (Amplats) mineworkers demanded pay of R16 070 a month at a meeting at the Blesbok stadium in Rustenburg on Thursday.

This was according to Gaddafi Ndoda, who described himself as a member of a newly formed workers' committee.

"To us, R12 500 is just a basic salary," he said, referring to the amount raised as a demand among many mineworkers over the past weeks.

"Anglo is the most-paying (sic) mine in the country, so our demand is different from other mineworkers," said Ndoda.

He said they wanted "nothing to do" with Amplats' Mageu beverage, and wanted their refreshment allowance to be R30 a day.

On Wednesday workers there complained about the quality of the Mageu, an energy drink made from fermented grains.

He said currently workers were not entitled to a safety and transport allowance.

"We want our transport allowance to be R60 daily and (our) safety allowance to be R1 500."

They also wanted the increase in their living-out allowance to be R2 000 - up from R1 700.

An "executive committee" of six members representing workers outside formal union forums had been formed and they were expected to take a memorandum to the mine's management in Klipfontein near the stadium, he said.

While heading towards the nearby offices, about half the workers who had been in the stadium accompanied the committee, singing and dancing, amid tight security.

As in the past week, the police had Nyalas stationed in the area and a helicopter overhead. Amplats security vehicles and security guards were also on alert, and a Netcare911 ambulance was on standby.

Workers carried knobkerries, sticks and whips. Some also carried umbrellas.

It appeared that a group of striking workers from Lonmin [JSE:LON] did not join them as hoped.

Amplats said it suspended operations on Wednesday out of concern for the safety of its employees, and said there was no strike at the mine.

CEO Chris Griffith said the situation in the Rustenburg area was volatile, and that people who wanted to go to work could not because of threats of violence.

"Anglo American Platinum has decided to suspend its operations in the Rustenburg area with immediate effect," he said in a statement.

"The suspension will continue until such time as operations can be safely resumed."

Amplats' chairperson Cynthia Carroll said the company was in touch with authorities "at the highest level" to identify ways of working with government and the recognised labour unions to achieve a swift and peaceful resolution.

She said the company's Rustenburg platinum operations were already under financial pressure, and the suspension of operations on Wednesday risked their long-term viability, the longer the situation lasted.

A strike at Lonmin entered its second month this week. Workers at Gold Fields [JSE:GFI] KDC West mine were also on strike on Thursday.


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Comments
  • oscar.pretorius.52 - 2012-09-13 13:49

    Fire them all.

      JaredVN - 2012-09-13 15:07

      And replace them with imported workers from India and China, who are not only much more hardworking and less militant than these "wêkkas", but also more intelligent and prepared to work for much less.

      morris.khunou - 2012-09-13 15:35

      "Anglo is the most-paying (sic) mine in the country, so our demand is different from other mineworkers," said Ndoda These are not honest wage demands, It is now clear that everything has to do with making mines ungorvernable! NOW CLOSE THE MINE INDEFINETELY! ONLY STARVATION WILL MAKE THESE WORKERS VALUE THEIR WORK MOST,

      liana.loots - 2012-09-13 16:26

      How hard the Chinese fought to be classified as 'black'.

      liana.loots - 2012-09-13 16:27

      I agree Jared. The chinese fought to be classified as black. and they will work. oh yes, and they don't dance

      JuditVictor - 2012-09-13 16:55

      Well Julius is behind it. If Lonmin closes because of this the government can take over and nationalise. Perhaps he is the real agent?

      ray.priestley.79 - 2012-09-13 17:23

      These guys must be seriously hard up-the other guys usually have at least a few golf clubs instead of umbrellas etc.I wonder where they come from?

      Robert - 2012-09-14 08:02

      People should please read http://www.marikana-truth.com/ by arthur mackay, global and economic analyst, and educate yourselves to what is really happening before spewing more internet drivel of the negative kind... Some of you skilled people with low incomes should try working in a mine for R7k or less a month under those conditions. Do you really think its fair when, long distance truck drivers for instance (also unskilled) get paid way more. Do the math please... IF you want to be a billionaire in this country you must own a mine and pay your workforce peanuts. Ask Tokyo Sexwale, but if you ask me, i'd say its modern day slavery!

  • Paul Mphap - 2012-09-13 14:11

    they are crazy.

      nun.chuck.7 - 2012-09-13 14:45

      Soon rock-drillers will be joining businessman in their daily commute from their homes in Sandton to work.

  • sanet.odendaal.9 - 2012-09-13 14:33

    There are people that work for maybe R2000 a month,but they're still greatful 4 the job. Fire them all and hire people who wants 2 work!

  • lawrence.ntuli.35 - 2012-09-13 14:33

    This is getting more ludicrous by the day....

      heathway.master - 2012-09-13 15:09

      This is really good news. Probably 15 billion rand a month lost. What the Satellite businesses servicing all the mines must be losing as well is an unknown. Gaurantee if miners do not get a full production and bonus and thirteenth check at Christmas time, it will be back to more violent strikes.

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-13 14:34

    This is an old ploy of many, ask for 100% increase, hopefully get 30%. They might just strike themselves out of a job.

  • manakatg - 2012-09-13 14:36

    AMEN

  • louis.jordaan.1804 - 2012-09-13 14:38

    Eish, these guys are realy serious about more pay. R12500pm with deductions leaves about R10952 without medical and union deductions. R16000pm netts about R13568. Hey boss man, how about giving me a job?

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:14

      I'm in IT, a systems analyst and I'm clearing just over 15k. Three months ago I was clearing 12800...... I have a BSc IT......

  • jpanagidis - 2012-09-13 14:39

    Yeah, fire them all instantly, kick em off the property, hire people who want to work and let these bastards suffer. They think they can hold the country to ransom, let them starve then. There are LOADS of people who would love a job and would happily take their places. Time to drop the hammer on these guys, enough is enough....

  • roger.kaputnick.90 - 2012-09-13 14:39

    Time to mechanize and fire the lot of them.

  • rohin.jadin - 2012-09-13 14:42

    they should just ask for R50k a month and then keep it there for 3 years so they can have a break from this back breaking work called striking.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:15

      Nah Rohin, then they'll just do what the Implats workers did, and 6 months later claim it's time for the usual wage hike and the one they got was additional.

      rohin.jadin - 2012-09-13 15:42

      denis, sadly you're right. I wish there would be some economically minded community leaders who would sit the guys down and actually explain to them the difference between demanding instant gratification and sustainable income.

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-13 14:45

    They may as well demand R160 000 a month as they have as much chance of getting this as their 16 000. What the hell why don't they each demand a Porsche and a free house in Sandton.

  • patrickflynn73 - 2012-09-13 14:45

    I'm sure there's a lot of things we all "want" in this life but don't get. ARMPITS mine workers must grow up!

  • denys.rooyen - 2012-09-13 14:46

    Seems if you are able to get to work, that rock drilling might be a viable career! Where is the logic that a rock driller gets paid more than a cop or s nurse!?

  • israel.maseko.5 - 2012-09-13 14:47

    This people are mad, then how much Graduates should earn? They must blame themselves for failure to go to school

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-13 14:48

    Want,want,want! But what do they give??? A refreshment allowance?? What next! Yet nobody has had the guts to stand up to the anarchists fueling this! The traditional healer must be giving them good stuff to smoke with all the halucinations they are having! Fire the lot!

  • ludlowdj - 2012-09-13 14:48

    Although I have always supported the right to a living wage these bozo's are now just tearing the rear end out of it, fire them all now!

  • John Peter Steyn - 2012-09-13 14:48

    Labourers wanting 16k. What the hell? You okes need to get into govt positions before you can expect cream like that.

  • shakir.eddericks - 2012-09-13 14:49

    just give the miners small shares in the mines, if it does well they earn well if not they suffer..

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-13 14:49

    HAHAHA! Why stop there?!?! Go for R45K!! The rest of us just had to study for years and gain years of experience, but now in hindsight I should have just skipped school and go straight into mining! Hahaha! What's going to happen if they get the money and pop into the next tax bracket? What are they going to burn down then? Morons.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:17

      and my silly parents wanted to send me to varsity at a rpice tag of 10 000' rand a year...... pft! 3 months ago I cleared 13k.

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-09-13 14:51

    i really wish south Africa had a president,the who becomes visible and leads from the front and takes decisive action when things go out of order,the one whose not scared of making unpopular decisions,the one who doesn't rely on commissions of inquiries for everything that requires him to lead,a president that i would be able to call president and be actually proud of it,sadly this country doesn't have that kind of president,this country doesn't have a president at all!!!

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-13 15:06

      You hit the nail on the head. Well said!

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-13 17:37

      And next elections they are still going to vote for the same old party....

  • melusi.myaluza - 2012-09-13 14:51

    i really wish south Africa had a president,the who becomes visible and leads from the front and takes decisive action when things go out of order,the one whose not scared of making unpopular decisions,the one who doesn't rely on commissions of inquiries for everything that requires him to lead,a president that i would be able to call president and be actually proud of it,sadly this country doesn't have that kind of president,this country doesn't have a president at all!!!

      dmandere - 2012-09-13 15:06

      That justifies Malemas point , there is no prezidentee

  • colin.dovey - 2012-09-13 14:52

    The low-skilled rock drillers do not actually work at the rock face more than 3 hours a day. That is because: 1. The working place has first got to "made safe" - 1 - 2 hours 2. The holes they drill have first got to be marked off at the beginning of the shift - 1 hour 3. These holes are then charged up - 1 hour 4. The holes are finally detonated at the end of the 8 hours shift. 30 mins Apart form the actual drilling, another member of the team does the rest of the work. Their exorbitant wage demands are not justifiable for people that really know what mining involves - and the Union Bosses certainly do not know. The work is not pleasant, as it can get get very hot underground, but everybody becomes acclimatised to the conditions. Working at the rock face is fairly dangerous, especially if Safety is ignored - but then that applies to any working environment. When the mine closes down, as it surely will if things go on this way, then there is nowhere else they can work, give their lack of education. This us where the mining bosses should be applying their minds: Education and training.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-09-13 14:53

    Yes another day in wonderful AFRICA. Demand demand demand, We want we want we want, Just give just give just give.

      jpanagidis - 2012-09-13 15:00

      Wonderful isn't it? Let's rape the economy, let's go the same way as Zimbabwe and then all look to the West to bail us out when we haven't got food in our stores and our kids are starving...simply brilliant.

  • Giyangethambo - 2012-09-13 14:57

    its a justified demand.

      jpanagidis - 2012-09-13 14:58

      and you're a justified fool...

      ishmael.mutengwa.7 - 2012-09-14 12:20

      JUJU FOR PRESIDENT.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-09-13 14:59

    Why not just ask for a nice round number like R20 000? Cause u know they gonna strike again soon after.

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-13 15:01

    I agree fully that these people are mad! BUT, i dont think anybody commenting here has any idea as to what these people have to do on a daily basis. They are doing HARD manual labour while their superiors who are already earning what they want and more sit around drinking coffee. Although I do not agree with them, I do see their point!

      Erna - 2012-09-13 15:06

      Yes we do know what they are doing. But in a normal society manual labour is still not paid more than a professional, no matter what. They get housing allowances, but live in shacks.

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-13 15:11

      Dude, my father was a miner for years! Go and do some sums! And then come back and justify your comment!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:17

      HARD manual labour, boohoohoo. I would like to see one of these people survive just one day where I average a 12 hour work shift of constantly mentally challenging and draining tasks. They would have a melt down on the first day. I think THEY don't have a clue what everyone else has to do on a daily basis. A few hours physical activity a day, with no pressure, no nagging clients, no thinking - that would be a vacation for me.

      rohin.jadin - 2012-09-13 15:19

      Dawn you are right that hard manual labour is just that - hard - and the work performed is extremely dangerous, but the people that invest in the mines do so for profit - that's the capitalistic ways of our world - they wouldn't do it if the labourers had to earn so much that it would become a non viable project for them, and they might as well stick the money into the bank. I have no issue with people wanting a living wage - however I do have an issue with using violence and threats to get it. Also these trade union tactics of demanding extreme increases to accept something lower after negotiations - however this time round, due to political influences and idiots using the opportunity for some air time - the rules of the game have been changed - and now many are believing that they can in fact demand these increases. If Lonmin, Amplat and any other mine were to agree to these terms, the miners would have a few months of celebration before they would be retrenched due to the mines becoming bankrupt. Why can't the unions and industry simply agree on a inflation + 2% annual increase and get on with actually earning something rather than getting themselves poorer each day. Rather have the time spent each year protesting as leave. *sigh* if only.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:19

      Incidentally talking about holidays, unlike them I have not had a holiday in 3 years. I don't even take public holidays off. Think they could handle that? Get real...

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-13 15:20

      Erna - I do not dispute that they are being unreasonable, the point i am making is the difference in earnings between the supervisors and the workers, and the difference in the amount of work they do.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-13 15:30

      @DAWN With out those people "sit around drinking coffee" there would be no mine to speak of. NO BRAINS to develop mining extractions no work for the masses. SAme applies for any other field, In fact i can GUARANTEE YOU ...that those folks "sit around drinking coffee" are currently discussing innovative ideas and solutions of getting rid of manual labour (THEM STRIKERS) and replacing them with machines. What do you think will happen WHEN they implements these ground breaking innovations? YEAH thought so...your hard labour will mean F all. Guess what we don't need you anymore.

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-13 15:33

      Rohin - As i said, I do not support they way they are going about things or their demands. But, why should a boss sitting in his office drinking coffee get paid almost 4 times what they get, when they are the ones doing the work.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-09-13 15:46

      Dawn ignoring the other factors, supply and demand. There are 1000's that can do manual labour, how many have the education, intellect and ability to do the office work you so simplisticly view. By your logic, lets reverse the roles and get a manual labourer to design your next car, and get the designer to build it. ditto for your house, your hairdryer and washing machine. Also lets get the manual labourers to manage the finances, do the wages, receive and place orders, handle the quality control. My point should be pretty clear by now

      rohin.jadin - 2012-09-13 15:49

      @dawn, is that not the way it always is? I get the job done, my boss gets the majority of the money. He pays overheads, he takes all the risks.

      yolanda.roozen - 2012-09-13 16:49

      @ Dawn, I work for a mining house, and I don't sit and drink coffee all day long, we work hard, and long hours. Granted, not at the rock face, but if it wasn't for the work done in the offices, there would be no mines, no equipment etc. Are we ever happy with what we earn?

      michael.m.rauch - 2012-09-13 19:42

      seriously? it's this exact mindset that is why most of this country think they should get ridiculously high salaries for doing menial jobs. the guy "sitting drinking coffee" probably studied a minimum of 4 years to get a degree and has worked hard to get there. if you had the slightest clue about running a business you would understand that one of these "coffee drinkers" is probably more valuable to the business than 10 mine workers as they are the ones who keep the business afloat.

      Wolflock - 2012-09-14 04:47

      Dawn - And if the Mine goes bankrupt, are these workers going to chip in and bail the mine out with their new salaries? I did Contract work down on 40 level on a Mine close to Carltonville. I was DOWN THERE where it is 40 Degrees Celcius and Humid as hell. Many of the workers there dont work as hard as you think they do because Heat Exhaustion is a very real problem down there. So as soon as they get a Little bit too hot, they take a looong break. They kept telling us Contractors to not work so hard because we make them look bad.

      Wolflock - 2012-09-14 04:48

      And P.S. I was earning R3500 a month and was glad to have a job.

  • Erna - 2012-09-13 15:03

    Just give them the mine and get it over with!

  • Pulverturm - 2012-09-13 15:03

    I'd like to see the business case for this!

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-09-13 15:06

    What a wet dream! I wander if those who have formal education could demand R30 000 would get it from their respective employees. We are referring to employees who have never had any formal education here, yet they are demanding this unreasonable increament. Where would the money come from because they are not making profit as they are not going to work. These demands are not reasonable and they could not be met anywhere in the world. All these empty promises from politicians would lead to anarchy one day.

      linda.nzimamazibuko - 2012-09-13 15:20

      Going underground does not need any formal qualifications, therefore do not see any reason to underpay them. inflation does not choose whether you got a bachelors degree/honours/ Phd it affects us all. All what these companies should do is to re-look at their business model and then pay reason salaries. If 16K per month PAY!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:25

      Yes Linda I agree. They should relook at theirbusiness model... Fire all of them, hire a few SKILLED machine operators in their place, and pay those operators R25k.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:40

      so by your logic linda hookers and strippers can put up their prices double?

  • robynne.els.1 - 2012-09-13 15:08

    What absolute rubbish! Junior doctors get a little more than double that and work far more hours, not to mention the years in med school! What studies have these bafoons completed?

      linda.nzimamazibuko - 2012-09-13 15:23

      The salaries that these individuals are earning are not enough to pay for their kids to study medicine. So to make sure that their kids qualify as DR's they need to be paid 16K per month

      robynne.els.1 - 2012-09-13 17:16

      Linda my husband is a junior doctor and his parents couldn't afford it and so he is currently paying off study loans! One of his friends at university came from a township and his mother was a domestic worker and yet he worked hard and has made something for his life! That said your comment is redundant!

  • linda.nzimamazibuko - 2012-09-13 15:09

    South Africa for you! Thought I do not agree with these strike but I think it is time that mine management reduce their salary by 50% minimum. Currently most are earning above R3M per annum!

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:24

      yes Linda - I cannot possible see why running a complex minning house consisting of multiple mines and multiple shafts per mine; Making sure you stay competitive, handling other staff such as engineers and accountants, checking the BI, handling investors etc etc is so much more difficult than drilling holes. Who do those bosses think they are?! idiot.

  • Leigh Nicholl - 2012-09-13 15:10

    i as a teacher employed by the government who has a degree and has been working 6 years in this sector does not earn close to that. They will never be happy with what they get. it will never be enough. fire the lot of them and see how unemployment suits them!

      linda.nzimamazibuko - 2012-09-13 15:25

      Unfortunately they can't, firing them would mean closing the mine down.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:27

      Nope.......the ex wife has been teaching maths lit for the last 10 years, is the head of department and earns around 8K...... oh and she had to go to university. Her hazards include travelling to work on our super safe roads and having some snot bag teen decide that he doesn't like being shouted at and stabbing her......but hey......

      lerato.mlambo.125 - 2012-09-13 16:00

      Leigh. This people a demanding weigh too much but please don't compare urself I mean teaching with people working underground. Underground is extremely hazardous n risky. So ur work condition and their working is weigh too different. So don't compare urself with them. Ur intimidating all mine workers. Da kind of work they do. Please

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-09-13 16:01

      No Linda, there are plenty more labourers available. You seem to give no value to wages being based on scarcity, skills, education or ability. You clearly have access to the internet, read up a bit on business management and compare the skills required with those required for the job of rock drilling. WHile i am sure everyone agrees that everyone is entitled to a fair and equitable wage, it seems we have different ideas of what that is.

  • lucy.heerden - 2012-09-13 15:11

    With caviar and a Bentley as perks I'm sure!

  • osmaseko - 2012-09-13 15:12

    Many people were happy when Julius Malema was fired from the ANC. I think the ANC made their worst mistake by doing that. They had an opportunity to deal with him inside the organization, but now unfortunately how are they going to deal with him as a private citizen? They tried with their agencies but where are all the allegations and charges everyone was talking about? The only solutions is to take him back to the organization and let him speak to the miners as a member of the organization maybe we can see a difference with the situation..just my thought.

  • FeebleGastro - 2012-09-13 15:12

    When stupid people demand (and get) "rights", they believe they're not stupid anymore... Africa is its own biggest enemy.

  • Cjay Thango - 2012-09-13 15:13

    i think they are pushing it now!!!!.....but wat are mine Bosses waiting for in the first place?..coz the mines make billions in revenue every year!....lol only in RSA

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:27

      Please learn the difference between revenue and profit. The revenue they make is largely irrelevant.

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-09-13 15:15

    Talk is cheap when you are taking home a liviable wage. In the beginning the complaint was earn R11000 take home R4000 what happens to the R7000 deductions. I can assure you if they only pay Tax, UIF, Medical Aid, Provident fund the deductions are not so much so who is scoring. I would also be fed up with this package.

      cindy.dunn.9 - 2012-09-13 15:43

      Then take away all their allowances and they then must pay for their own housing transport and lunch. See how they complain then. I would be smiling if all my expenses were paid and I still had 4000 left over

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-13 21:09

      R7000 seems a lot but go buy that same level of insurance as an individual. If you have yourself and 4 dependents on m/aid that is R4500 a month. Retirement policy, min R1500 month - just to end up with a R3000 a month pension. Get injured or permanently disabled on the job, that's another R1000 a month. Dread-Disease cover add on another R400. Some of the deductions are to protect you & your family for your future.

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-09-13 15:15

    Increase or decrease their salaries according to their qualifications.

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-09-13 15:16

    Just mechanise the mines and employ a handful of staff, problem sorted

  • samuel.herman.758 - 2012-09-13 15:16

    Lol, shame these guys have no clue!It is time to start firing them.

  • brendan.naiker - 2012-09-13 15:21

    How much are the CEOs & Owners of these mining companies making? Certainly far more than anybody else in the mining system! How much work do they do in getting these resources available for sale? If these guys want that much money for risking their lives to dig up Platinum to make the head honchos among the richest people on the planet, then surely the biggest earners in that company should take a pay cut to provide the pay increase for these guys? It is a messed up system, I would say it is almost hyper-capitalism!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:31

      A fascinating point you make. Now please take your head out of the clouds and listen to the reality. If the CEO of Lonmin where to be paid R0 and what he was earning divided up among all the workers, they could be paid an extra ~R70 a month. Combine all the "head honchos" and do the same - ignore the fact the mine will surely go bankrupt - everyone can have an extra ~R500. So while the salaries they make sound exhorbitant and unfair the reality is that what people like you cry for is silly and shows that clearly you do not grasp maths.

      brendan.naiker - 2012-09-13 18:04

      And what you obviously fail to grasp that the comment I made was not serious! It was exaggerated and rather meant to highlight the inequality that exists between the richest in the country and the poorest! The huge gap that exists between the owners of this organisation and the workers! Hence my final point about this being hyper-capitalism! It is not just the CEO that I was referring to mate, but also the owners of these mines to whom the largest share of the money is apportioned! The operating profit that Angloplat cleared was around R7.5 billion - surely they can find some way of appeasing the guys that actually do the hardest work risking their lives and get this stuff out of the ground?? The best suggestion I saw was to include profit sharing for the guys that work at ground level - if the mine does well, they do well - if not then they suffer as well! These companies should not just be profit-oriented and use the people that work for them as mere labourers but to improve them as a whole! The owners don't have to give up everything to these guys - don't be silly - nor does the CEO mate - it is their risk and their capital expenditure, and supposedly they're the ones who "own" the resources. I would also like to say I do not agree with these miners demands, as it is obviously exorbitant but that does not mean that they at least have a partially valid point by asking for more money!

  • thapelo.mafu - 2012-09-13 15:23

    Its time mining co stop exploting workers. Mining is one lucrutive business I know of. Look how Patrice Motsepe made his Billions in a short period, and wasting it with lousy soccer team. They are making huge profits because the source cheap labour...VIVA WITH ECONOMIC FREEDOM IN OUR LIFE VIVA

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-13 15:30

      Patrice Motsepe is also highly educated and had the capital. You however sound like you could not reason your way out of a wet paper bag. If you want a salary of 16000 rand a month get a proper education and work hard. Like the rest of us.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:43

      thapelo - Patrice WORKED for that money - he worked damn hard - he did not just demand........and he sure as hell didn't just drill holes!

      thapelo.mafu - 2012-09-13 16:25

      Denis, we are mixing issues here. Patrice is highly educated and really worked hard. Point taken. What im trying to emphasise is that mining bosses are really making big profits because they sourcing cheap labour. Hence I used Motsepe as an example. He really made his money in a very short period. I used him as an example to substiate the fact that mining is a lucritive industry and their work paid well

      graeme.aitken.545 - 2012-09-13 16:31

      I don't suppose you would have the same opinion if you owned one thapelo

  • pieter.schoeman.37 - 2012-09-13 15:23

    Have any of you ever worked underground, for 12 hours with a 45 kg drilling machine, drilling holes in rock? If not shut you mouths you have no idea what these people do each day. These are some of the hardest working people in the country, i know, i use to work with them. Then the section manager sits in his office and on the golf course and draws at least 30k a month. I hope they get what they demand, they deserve every cent. These people work harder than most of u

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:33

      Have you ever worked 4 days in a row solid without any sleep? If not I suggest YOU shut YOUR mouth. Perhaps you are lazy and don't work hard but you have no idea about the rest of us do to keep this country running.

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-13 15:37

      I do believe there is somebody on News24 who actually knows what he is talking about. ching ching!

      pieter.schoeman.37 - 2012-09-13 15:40

      If you havent worked beside theem, you cant judge them. You wont make it mate, i promise you. And yes, to answer your question, i most certainly have in a merit of situations ranging from mining al the way through to management....

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-09-13 15:41

      Malcolm - Guess what, you are nothing special. Many of us have worked as hard and as long as you. I dont believe you know what you talking about!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:45

      "Many of us have worked as hard and as long as you." That is exactly my point dawn - I believe you completely missed the point. Congratulations! To try make it more clear for you - Many people work extremely hard in extremely tough situations, to try and make blanket statements that one group has it harder than another is ignorant.

      denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-13 15:46

      pieter - see - a manager - manages - he makes sure things run smoothly and everything that's needed is taken care of........hence he gets what he does. Secondly - we live in the information age - where people who use their brains to make money and tackle complex things earn more....... If we were all cavemen, then sure, this lot would probably be top dog - take a look around. I don;t see any saber tooth tigers..... and lastly - you USED to be....you got out....and I bet it's cos you were not happy with your salary?

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:48

      As for you working as long and as hard as me, maybe you have maybe you haven't. You wouldn't know as you don't know me, I wouldn't know as I don't you. These miners think the rest of society it lazy, the rest of society thinks the miners are lazy. Everybody is wrong, but to pretend that somehow the miners are "more worthy" is preposterous.

      lerato.mlambo.125 - 2012-09-13 15:50

      I agree with u 100% Schoeman people who does not have a clue what underground looks like should shut their mouth. A lot of comment coming from people who a not working at da mines a so insensitive n they forget that south african economy is at halt because of da mines n da miners n everyone in SA will definitely get affected negatively •

      FeebleGastro - 2012-09-13 15:51

      Dawn knows more about hard work than anybody else in this country - fo sho!

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-09-13 15:52

      "You wont make it mate, i promise you" - This is silly and childish. You have no idea what I have or haven't been through in my life, or wh at I am or am not capable of, so how could you possibly know such a thing? The reality is that human beings are capable of far more then you think when the need arises. Just because I choose to and can work with my mind does not mean I could not work with my body if I needed too, If I were unemployed right now and the only way to feed my family were to manually hammer at rock all day with my bare hands - I can tell you right now I would do exactly that.

      Wolflock - 2012-09-14 05:05

      Pieter - Yes, I did work underground. 40 Level - at Kloof Mine. Where did you work? Must have been a harder place as most I worked with were not working for 12 hours. In fact many hours alone each week were taken up waiting for Cages while safety inspections were done. Many hours were spent in the cooling areas because of heat problems. I earned R3500 as a Contractor and was working in the Substations down there installing meters for the dams.

  • gavindavid.vonmeyer - 2012-09-13 15:24

    The Mines must start applying for grants at the National Lottery.

  • leon.postma.9 - 2012-09-13 15:26

    It just proves that the money is not the reason. They are afraid the mines will accept the R12500 salary packet. They want to strike and cause havoc and now they have increased the demand so that they know no mine can match that!

  • ron.hobson.313 - 2012-09-13 15:26

    Ja né its all over for Zuma

  • Andrew - 2012-09-13 15:26

    Ek verstaan ook King Zwelithini is demanding R16m for the wife she is baby sitting. So now the miners are also raising the bar. Sum people burned the midnight candle to get qualifications and build careers to earn good money.

  • morris.khunou - 2012-09-13 15:27

    "Anglo is the most-paying (sic) mine in the country, so our demand is different from other mineworkers," said Ndoda These are not honest wage demands, It is now clear that everything has to do with making mines ungorvernable! NOW CLOSE THE MINE INDEFINETELY! ONLY STARVATION WILL MAKE THESE WORKERS VALUE THEIR WORK MOST,

  • mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-13 15:28

    Why dont these guys go for 20 K a month , we all seen what can afford with that , Couple range rovers , mansion in sandowns and a 25 million rand lodge in limpop , They should be happy with that ?

      jpanagidis - 2012-09-13 15:31

      Nah, they'd still want more...

  • shireen.rose1 - 2012-09-13 15:32

    OMW!!! What clowns!!!

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